2001 F250 SD 5 speed trans fluid
FjLee
Both the manual and the tag on the tranny says to use " Ford part #
E6AZ-19582-B MERCON SYNTHETIC ATF or equivalent. "
It's the "or equivalent" that I am interested in, since the Ford
product will cost too much.
Exactly what do I look for when I go into my local discount auto parts
store?
A name brand example would sure be helpful.
Thank you...... Lee in Denver
lugnut
Mercon V is Ford's version of synthetic automatic
transmission fluid. There are several brands on the shelf
at Autozone, Advance Auto, O"Reilly and all the others that
are the Motorcraft Mercon V fluid or some other brand
meeting this spec. I would not use a fluid other than the
Mercon V fluid spec because a regular trans gear oil will
make the trans hard shifting and a lessor fluid mary result
in acellerated wear and increased heat. This is a matter of
selecting a brand you trust of the Mercon V spec whether it
be Valvoline, Motorcraft, Mobil, Coastal, Shell, Penzoil or
whatever. Ther are several other suppliers of this spec.
You will not go wrong or overspend with the Motorcraft brand
of this fluid. It is a good product that will perform as
required in your application. You should not change it
until you can afford the correct fluid of whatever brand you
settle on.
Lugnut
Jeff Strickland
question.
It looks like there is a Castrol product that meets the "or equivelent" and
I would guess there are several other transmission fluids that will do the
trick too.
"FjLee" <cark...@juno.com> wrote in message
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fjlee
> I have a 2001 F250 SD gas, with 5 speed manual tranny.
>
> Both the manual and the tag on the tranny says to use " Ford part #
> E6AZ-19582-B MERCON SYNTHETIC ATF or equivalent. ">
Thank you for the response folks. I appreciate your attempts at
helping me out. This turned into a long drawn out affair, and I blame
Ford for that.
How difficult should it be to buy a quart of the correct fluid for a
Ford manual 5 speed in an F250?
First I tried auto parts stores...........the personnel there didn't
have a clue, nor did their computers. They showed _NOTHING_ that
was suitable.
So I went to my friendly Ford dealership. A big dealership. Phil
Long Ford in Littleton Colorado.
Showed em the Ford part number. Not a flicker of recognition. I got
out the manual that came with the truck when I bought it NEW in 2000.
BTW, this is a 2001 F250 SD gas. We now have 2 Ford parts guys
involved.......and 2 computers, and the telephone. (They keep phoning
"service" to see if "service" knew anything about this ATF.)
I guess that there are roughly 7 bazillion of these transmissions in
current use, yet Ford has evidentally NEVER sold a quart of the fluid
this tranny asks for.
Finally, tucked way down in the bowels of the computer, is
acknowledgment that such a Ford part # as E6AZ 19582-B has at some
time in the distant past existed. Computer says it was superceded
approx. 1993. So WTF does my 2001 manual have it listed as the ONLY
correct oil to use?
A third Ford parts guy joins the chase. He finally proclaims that
what I should be seeking is Ford p/n XT2-QSM. The people in the
"stockroom" have different ideas. That's an old obsolete number!!!
No joy there.
Back to the computers.......(3 of 'em now!).......... See how easy
this was??
One of the 3 nice Ford partsmen finally proclaims that XT2-QSM has
morphed into XT5-QSM. It's right about now that I realize that I had
been at that parts counter for over an hour, and I am starting to get
pissed.
One of the nice Ford guys goes to lunch.
Stockroom accepts this latest part #, and I buy some of it. I guess
it's called "sticker shock" eh? They hosed me to the tune of $12.28
per quart.
My fading satisfaction with FoMoCo takes another sharp dive downward.
Buy American, eh? And look forward to episodes like this? Maybe
not........
Lee in Denver CO
Jeff Strickland
actually a Yahoo Search -- and the very first hit is a chart of fluids for F
Series trucks. I scrolled down the list to the 5-spd manual transmission and
found,
Application
5-Speed Manual Overdrive Transmission 7.3L DIT Diesel ZF(S5-47) (Note F)
Product
Motorcraft Synthetic MERCON®
Ford Part Number
E6AZ-19582-B
Ford Specification
ESR-M2C163-A
NOTE F
Synthetic MERCON® (E6AZ-19582-B) should be considered when operating under
the following extreme conditions:
- Extensive idle time with transmission temperatures below -20°F (-29°C).
- Operating at maximum GCW (F-Super Duty) in hilly terrain with
temperatures above 100°F (38°C).
- Continuous (30 minutes) PTO operations.
MY OWN NOTE
The transmissiion is not shown in this application behind a gas motor, but
there is no reason later production trucks might find this unit bolted
behind a gas motor. The transmission will not care what motor is in front of
it if the part number and the spec of the oil are the same.
You can read the side of the bottle to find the Ford Part Number and
Specification.
For shits and giggles, I plugged the Ford Specification into Google Web
Search and found the very first hit gave me even more information.
fjlee
I don't see it that way at all. I wanted the correct fluid. So I
tried to go by the manual that came with the truck. So me and the
truck and the manual went to the Ford dealer. But ultimately, I
indeed _DID_ put too much time into it. But I don't see that as
being my fault.
I see it as the sorry-ass fact that the Ford parts guys could not
decipher what fluid was correct for my truck using all the info tools
that Ford MoCo put at their disposal.
Their books and their computer data was way outdated. Is that my
fault?
>> I did a Google Search -- > Ford Part Number
> E6AZ-19582-B
> Ford Specification
> ESR-M2C163-A
The above is exactly what my manual says, also. It is hopelessly
outdated info. That's the source of the time consuming dicking around
by Ford parts people to find which ATF was correct. Is this my
fault??
> You can read the side of the bottle to find the Ford Part Number and
> Specification.
Sure ya can....if ya got the bottle of ATF sittin' in front of you.
But the Ford geniuses didn't know which bottle to pick off the stock-
room shelf. They could find _NOTHING_ that told 'em the correct
part #.
Hell, they didn't even have a 2009 F250 SD paper manual. The most
recent one thy could find was 2008. And ultimately, we found out that
the 2008 manual was showing an INCORRECT part number!!!!
And there is some doubt in my mind that I have the correct ATF. The
ATF they sold me is a blend, Ford p/n XT5-QSM, not a "full
synthetic", ....and my manual is adamant that a full synthetic must be
used. The tag on the tranny says the same thing. Way to go, Ford!!!
So "Thank you" for your input, Jeff, but I am still super pissed at
Ford and their poor operation. I do not particularly fault the 3
parts guys........they were not given the correct tools to work with.
Lee
Jeff Strickland
"fjlee" <cark...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>>> You are putting far too much effort into this.
I don't see it that way at all. I wanted the correct fluid. So I
tried to go by the manual that came with the truck. So me and the
truck and the manual went to the Ford dealer. But ultimately, I
indeed _DID_ put too much time into it. But I don't see that as
being my fault.
<JS>
there is enough information in the manual to go down to the corner and buy a
bottle of ATF if you are willing to look up the numbers. Ford has a vested
interest in you buying their stuff, but they are required to say, "or
equivelent." You can find the equivelent, well, I can find it, in less than
3 minutes.
</JS>
I see it as the sorry-ass fact that the Ford parts guys could not
decipher what fluid was correct for my truck using all the info tools
that Ford MoCo put at their disposal.
Their books and their computer data was way outdated. Is that my
fault?
<JS>
No, it's not your _fault_ that the book is wrong. It is your fault that you
can't find the stuff you need. It was easy for me to find it, and I only
looked for it because you asked.
</JS>
>> I did a Google Search -- > Ford Part Number
> E6AZ-19582-B
> Ford Specification
> ESR-M2C163-A
The above is exactly what my manual says, also. It is hopelessly
outdated info. That's the source of the time consuming dicking around
by Ford parts people to find which ATF was correct. Is this my
fault??
<JS>
You don't know that it is hopelessly outdated at all. All you know is that
the parts guys that couldn't find it in the first place said it had been
superceeded for a model year of Ford product that is not your model year.
</JS>
> You can read the side of the bottle to find the Ford Part Number and
> Specification.
Sure ya can....if ya got the bottle of ATF sittin' in front of you.
But the Ford geniuses didn't know which bottle to pick off the stock-
room shelf. They could find _NOTHING_ that told 'em the correct
part #.
Hell, they didn't even have a 2009 F250 SD paper manual. The most
recent one thy could find was 2008. And ultimately, we found out that
the 2008 manual was showing an INCORRECT part number!!!!
And there is some doubt in my mind that I have the correct ATF. The
ATF they sold me is a blend, Ford p/n XT5-QSM, not a "full
synthetic", ....and my manual is adamant that a full synthetic must be
used. The tag on the tranny says the same thing. Way to go, Ford!!!
So "Thank you" for your input, Jeff, but I am still super pissed at
Ford and their poor operation. I do not particularly fault the 3
parts guys........they were not given the correct tools to work with.
Lee
<JS>
To their credit, the stuff you bought costed $13 per bottle, and you can get
it on the corner for $4.50, so the parts guys at the Ford dealership
problaby don't sell very much of it.
Dex II is almost as common as water, but people that know what they are
doing simply ask for it, they don't bother with the part number or factory
spec. I don't know how they would know to use Mercon (Dex II) unless they
are professionals, at which point they would not buy it from Ford, or they
look it up to find out what it is, at which point they would not buy it from
Ford.
</JS>
david
say:
Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?
fjlee
> Dex II is almost as common as water, but people that know what they are
> doing simply ask for it, they don't bother with the part number or factory
> spec.
There ya go....... I most assuredly did _NOT_ know what I was
doing, that's why I initially approached this Forum, and why I
ultimately wound up at the Ford dealership with my 2001 Ford manual in
my hand.
I did not know WTF I was doing, but I was fairly determined to buy the
correct product.
I don't feel that there should be any implied ctiticism based upon the
fact that I was trying to purchase the correct ATF for my truck
trans.
Lee
fjlee
>>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?-
There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON.
Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON.
I wanted the correct variant of MERCON.
Please define "quality brand"........tho even if I had your definition
of "quality brand" in my pocket, that still would not have told me
which MERCON variant to buy.
If it takes 3 guys in a Ford dealership Parts Dept. over an hour to
determine exactly what my manual says my truck requires, how the Hell
is a non-automotive person like myself supposed to walk into a parts
store and chose the correct item from the multitude offered? I did
try, tho. And got nowhere.
That's when I decided I had better go to a Ford dealership. I knew
I'd pay more, but for some reason I had the goofy notion that the
Ford parts guy would have me fixed up and on my way in 5 minutes.
And in spite of what I learned, I still could NOT go into Discount
Auto and confidently chose ATF for my truck. There's not enough info
on the bottle to tell me what is correct. Now that all that stuff in
Spanish is printed on the labels, there's not as much room for useful
info in English.
Lee
Jeff Strickland
All ATF bottles state the specification on the side, and you have the
specification printed in the manual. .
It would be nice if the manual said Acme Brand ATF so that you could more
easily buy what you are looking for. But they are not allowed to say that
because that is a specific endorsement that the legal team tells them not to
make.
You can be pretty sure that if you buy MotorCraft or AutoLite for your Ford
Truck, you will be getting a product built to Ford specifications.
Sorry that you had so much trouble, but this is a chore that should have
been handled easily with a single trip to your local parts store down the
street.
Steve
news:1e835566-c431-4f5f...@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
| >
|
| There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON.
|
| Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON.
| I wanted the correct variant of MERCON.
||
Probably too late for you this time, but in the future, AMSOIL
manufactures an ATF that meets or exceeds all ATF specifications (not
to be used in CVT transmissions) and may be mixed in with original
brands or used as a complete re-fill to gain maximum shifting and
transmission performance. It's only $9.75 per quart (plus shipping).
Would have saved you money when you figure your lost productiity into
the equation.
http://www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=1690163&page=storefront/atf
--
Steve Spence
Independent AMSOIL Dealer
AMSOIL - The "Once A Year" Oil Change
Unemployed Car Guy - Trying To Earn A Living
35 Years of G.M. Parts Experience
URL: http://synthetic-oil-tech.com/1690163
Email: ams...@charter.net
|
david
say:
> "fjlee" <cark...@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1e835566-c431-4f5f...@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> | >
> | >>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?- |
> | There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON. |
> | Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON. | I wanted
> the correct variant of MERCON. ||
> | Lee
>
> Probably too late for you this time, but in the future, AMSOIL
> manufactures an ATF that meets or exceeds all ATF specifications (not to
> be used in CVT transmissions) and may be mixed in with original brands
> or used as a complete re-fill to gain maximum shifting and transmission
> performance. It's only $9.75 per quart (plus shipping).
>
> Would have saved you money when you figure your lost productiity into
> the equation.
>
> http://www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=1690163&page=storefront/atf
Please stop spamming this newsgroup. Otherwise, will report to your ISP.
Tom J
> "fjlee" <cark...@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1e835566-c431-4f5f...@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?-
>>
>> There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON.
>>
>> Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON.
>> I wanted the correct variant of MERCON.
>>>
>> Lee
>
> Probably too late for you this time, but in the future, AMSOIL
If you spam this newsgroup one more time, I'm giving all here the
address to report you to Amsoil, and you definitely will not be a rep
anymore. They don't like that type promotions!!
Tom J
Rudy
the ATF suggestion is just dopey
"Tom J" <tom...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Strickland
Don't threat, just do it.
Amsoil would like to know that it's name is being tarnished. Send them as
much information as you can, and let them deal with it, or not. We'll know
the "or not" part if this loser does not go away.
Jeff Strickland
is light wieght, thus easier to spin around, so it saves fuel as compared to
other oils. The ATF also has a very high sheer strength, and this makes it a
good choice in a transmission.
This truck specifically calls for ATF in the manual transmission, so the
suggestion is not really as dopey as you might think.
"Rudy" <NoS...@no-onehome.net> wrote in message
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Steve
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I'm not sure I understand... someone is complaining that they can't
seem to find the corrrect fluid (Mercon V) for their transmission.
Further, he complains that he spent over an hour at his local Ford
dealer with the parts people unsure of what to recommend.
I offer a compatible product at a competitive price and somehow I'm
branded as a spammer. I thought SPAMMING was repetitively posting OFF
TOPIC posts. I am neither posting repetitive or off topic posts.
You may contact AMSOIL at: http://www.amsoil.com/contact.aspx and
leave any complaints you feel are appropriate. My dealer number is:
1690163.
Please include a copy of the posting to support your position.
david
say:
<spam snipped>
> I'm not sure I understand... someone is complaining that they can't seem
> to find the corrrect fluid (Mercon V) for their transmission. Further,
> he complains that he spent over an hour at his local Ford dealer with
> the parts people unsure of what to recommend.
>
> I offer a compatible product at a competitive price and somehow I'm
> branded as a spammer. I thought SPAMMING was repetitively posting OFF
> TOPIC posts. I am neither posting repetitive or off topic posts.
>
> You may contact AMSOIL at: http://www.amsoil.com/contact.aspx and leave
> any complaints you feel are appropriate. My dealer number is: 1690163.
>
> Please include a copy of the posting to support your position.
Spamming includes unwanted and unsolicited advertising, such as yours.
Just the fact that you're "offering" your product here (your words, not
mine) is unwanted commercial advertising. Take it somewhere else. Those
of us who read Usenet do so because of the torrent of ads present in other
venues. Stop advertising here.
aarcuda69062
"Steve" <ams...@charter.net> wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand...
That's the first truth you've told so far.
> someone is complaining that they can't
> seem to find the corrrect fluid (Mercon V) for their transmission.
"AMSOIL ATF is recommended for transmission, hydraulic and other
applications requiring any of the following specifications:
GM DEXRON® II, III & VI
Ford MERCON®, MERCON® V & SP
Chrysler ATF+ through ATF+4®
Honda Z-1 (Not for use in CVT transmissions)
Toyota Type T and T-IV
Mitsubishi/Hyundai Diamond SP II & III
Allison C-3, C-4
Caterpillar TO-2
Voith G607, G1363
ZF TE-ML 14A, 14B, 14C
Mercedes Benz 236.1, 236.2, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9
BMW 7045E
NAG 1 & 2
JWS 3309
LT 71141 (ESSO)
Nissan Matic D, J & K
Vickers I-286S & M-2950S"
It is IMPOSSIBLE for one single ATF to service all of those applications.
> Further, he complains that he spent over an hour at his local Ford
> dealer with the parts people unsure of what to recommend.
>
> I offer a compatible product
You have no proof that your product is compatible.
> at a competitive price and somehow I'm
> branded as a spammer. I thought SPAMMING was repetitively posting OFF
> TOPIC posts. I am neither posting repetitive or off topic posts.
The only way your posts would be -on topic- is if the name of this group
was 'alt.trucks.ford.snakeoil
Steve
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Direct Quote taken from the TRANSMISSIONS Section of the AMSOIL
website:
https://www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=1690163&page=frequent
Problem: AMSOIL INC. has been informed that some AMSOIL Dealers and
their customers have experienced problems with their local Ford
Dealership service department when bringing in the new AMSOIL
Universal ATF for installation in their Ford vehicle transmission.
They have been told that: A) You cannot put a Mercon V labeled
transmission fluid in a Mercon application. B) That you cannot put a
Mercon labeled transmission fluid in a Mercon V application (this is
true). C) That you cannot put a dual usage labeled ATF product in the
Mercon application or the Mercon V application. Since the new AMSOIL
Universal Transmission Fluid is labeled dual usage, recommended for
both Mercon and Mercon V applications, some Ford Dealership service
managers are telling their customers that if they put the AMSOIL
Universal ATF product in their transmission it will void their
transmission warranty.
Answer: At least one oil companys ATF product with a Mercon V rating
does not also meet Mercon performance requirements. This has
apparently caused a great deal of confusion about allowing Mercon V
ATF to be back serviceable in Mercon applications. The AMSOIL
Universal ATF has been formulated to meet or exceed both the Mercon
and Mercon V specification, as well as G.M. Dexron III and Chrysler
ATF+4. It is fully supported through documented testing. It is
recommended for and can be used in ALL of the applications listed on
the label. PERIOD.
If someone is misinformed on this issue and actually denies a
manufacturers warranty coverage because of the use of AMSOIL Universal
ATF Fluid in one of the applications for which it is recommended by
AMSOIL INC., the AMSOIL Warranty coverage would apply. The consumers
transmission would be repaired under the AMSOIL Warranty. AMSOIL
INC. and our insurance company will legally pursue the dealership or
the manufacturer to recover our costs. AMSOIL INC. would not make the
recommendations on our label, or issue this statement, if we were not
completely confident of our position on this matter. While we cannot
control what individuals say about this subject, we can and do insure
that consumers can use our product with complete confidence and
without risk.
david
say:
> "aarcuda69062" <none...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
<spamsoil snipped>
So, let me get this straight, your answer to the challenge that no ATF
can service all of those applications, is:
"It's on the web site, so it must be true".
Yup, that's pretty convincing. NOT.
aarcuda69062
"Steve" <ams...@charter.net> wrote:
Post something other than self serving Scamsoil propaganda.
None4U
I was waiting for it.
david
say:
> "david" <no...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:gpnrj2$eqh$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>> On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:05:50 -0500, Steve rearranged some electrons to
>> say:
>>
>>> "fjlee" <cark...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1e835566-c431-4f5f-8c82-
e3aeb5...@e3g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
>>> | >
>>> | >>> Ummm, why didn't you just buy any quality brand of Mercon?- | |
>>> There are MANY kinds of ATF on the shelf. Many of 'em say MERCON. | |
>>> Based upon can labels, there are many variants of MERCON. | I wanted
>>> the correct variant of MERCON. ||
>>> | Lee
>>>
>>> Probably too late for you this time, but in the future, AMSOIL
>>> manufactures an ATF that meets or exceeds all ATF specifications (not
>>> to be used in CVT transmissions) and may be mixed in with original
>>> brands or used as a complete re-fill to gain maximum shifting and
>>> transmission performance. It's only $9.75 per quart (plus shipping).
>>>
>>> Would have saved you money when you figure your lost productiity into
>>> the equation.
>>>
>>> http://www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=1690163&page=storefront/atf
>>
>> Please stop spamming this newsgroup. Otherwise, will report to your
>> ISP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I was waiting for it.
Uh, why are you replying to messages that are 3 months old?