DESPERATE for rear disc brake BACKING PLATE 99 Econoline SD

[George Hammond]

I am desperately trying to find a
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1999 Econoline Super Duty E350 rear disc brake BACKING PLATE
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Ford has discontinued this part and it is unavailable from
Ford!

DORMAN makes many aftermarket backing plates but not this
particular one apparently. Their F350 SD plate looks close
and might be modified to fit.

Problem is that the old backing plate rusted thru which
causes the handbrake not to work and they won't put an
inspection sticker on this otherwise perfectly serviceable
vehicle if the handbrake doesn't work!

1. Do you know of ANY supplier who has this backing plate?

2. Do you know if ANY other backing plate (e.g. F-350 SD)
is close enough so it can be modified to fit?

3. Can I fabricate one with my bare hands from scratch?


ANY advice or suggestion is welcome.

Please advise, george_...@verizon.net

located Caqe Cod MA

[David]

At Sat, 05 Apr 2014 15:35:42 -0400, George Hammond rearranged some

Have you tried your local junkyard? They are likely to have a used one.

[George Hammond]

Not possible. Much internet discussion about this... you
have to pull the axle, rotor, and hub just to get the
backing plate off,,,, and generally the plates are already
rusted thru. The axles are woth $400 junk so nobody will
take them apart.
Meanwhile I discovered that the F-250, F-350 SD and
Elconoline 350 SD all use the same identical parking brake
shoes... which means the business end of the backing plates
must be identical... except for possibly the mounting flange
4-bolt pattern... but redrilling the bolt holes may make it
fit !
The F-series backisng plates are still being stamped out
by Ford and are cheap on the aftermarket ($50/pair) whereas
the Econoline 350 SD was discontinued years ago and is going
for a whopping $650 OEM or $450 Aftermarket because of this.
An example of sheer supply/demand price gouging!
What I'm trying to find now is a PICTURE of the Econoline
350 SD backing plate so I can comparwe it with a picture of
the F-350 SD backing plate.
Any other ieas ?
George

[avag...@gmail.com]

..............


ask in Ford's official heavy duty truck forums....

gotta get in there n paint the plates

look thru here, intensively as going to the sites leads to more site information

http://goo.gl/6CVXkQ

[avag...@gmail.com]

and call Dorman...

Dorman or ? may have left yhe plate you need of the list following the correct tart No.

[George Hammond]

On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:07:57 -0700 (PDT), avag...@gmail.com
wrote:

Trying to join forum now... slow going... there are
thousands of posts.

>
>gotta get in there n paint the plates
>

Now you tell me...?

>look thru here, intensively as going to the sites leads to more site information
>
>http://goo.gl/6CVXkQ

... seen this page and dozens of others long ago. The plate
is not there. Emailed DORMAN about it, they say the part is
not available from them either.

So far I think the F350 SD plate can be redrilled to fit the
Econoline E350 SD either Dorman 924-224 or Dorman 924-212.
this is based on the fact that they all use identically the
same parking brake shoes... just the 4 bolt mounting pattern
is slightly different.

Will see what the Ford Heavy Truck people say... although
its mostly F-series trucks and not Econolines.

Thanks

[George Hammond]

On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT), avag...@gmail.com
wrote:

>and call Dorman...
>
>Dorman or ? may have left yhe plate you need of the list following the correct tart No.
>
>

I Emailed DORMAN about it, they say the part is not
available from them either. There message was as follows:

..............................................

We do not offer the part for this application at this time.

Dormanproducts.com has our most up to date product
specifications and support information.

Thank you,

Ryan S.

Dorman Customer Service

...........................................

Dear DORMAN auto parts:

I have searched your websites throughly and cannot find:

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A Left Rear backing plate for a disc brake 99 Econoline E350
Super Duty
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Others have searched also and they can't find it.

Are you sure Dorman didn't inadvertently omit this part from
its webpage?

Ford wants a wopping $748.68 for this twenty five dollar
part which I refuse to pay since it is outrageous.

Dorman 924-224 or 924-212 ($60/pair) for an F350 S.D. look
like it could be easily modified by redrilling the 4 bolt
holes to fit the Econoline 350 Super Duty but before I do
that I wanted to double check with you and confirm that
Dorman doesn't make the actually correct replacement backing
plate.

Please advise, .........and thanks a lot,
George Hammond, Hyannis Cape Cod

[avag...@gmail.com]

https://www.google.com/#q=hard+to+find+ford+truck+parts

[avag...@gmail.com]

NEXT FIND THE AXLE TYPE your 350 has under it then find the other Ford trucks with this axle, then those backing plate numbers.

I imagine there are salvage yards and axles with the plate where the axles are probably unused able but the plates are use able.

On the four hole vs 2 hole, the pressing maybe different. That would be my guess as the flange itself would be HD....and used on other Ford trucks say 1999-2005.

lug bolts on a E250 are larger than the 150...

Check all Ford truck from your model's time frame for the years applicable. Van's maybe 1999-2005...something like that.

I find $700 hard to swallow. Look again somewhere else near where these parts are made or assembled. our truck was made in Cleveland ? try Cleveland.

[avag...@gmail.com]

http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/CatalogResults.aspx?y=1999&m=Ford&mo=E-350 Econoline#Search

[avag...@gmail.com]

is your $700 part here somewhere ?

http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/CatalogResults.aspx?y=1999&m=Ford&mo=E-350 Econoline#Search

[avag...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:52:51 PM UTC-4, avag...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/CatalogResults.aspx?y=1999&m=Ford&mo=E-350 Econoline#Search



tap CHANGE VEHICLE

enter your VIN

develop the name of the part you're looking for exactly in Ford use age.

BTW, get a print out copy of the assembly from Ford parts at your Ford dealer. so you now what the name and number is right from Ford's catalog.

If the VIN search doesn't show the part then try your named model and year without the VIN.

ask the parts man for the other appropriate models

[avag...@gmail.com]

YUP DAZE DARE...2390 2B636 ? FIRST LINE...


$230 OR $350... FOR THE PLATE.....FOR THE MOUNT ???

lotta money for a piece of sheet metal.

I assume stampings are done in runs of 50 or so....time for setup divided by ???

[avag...@gmail.com]

Hammond is on the charts

http://goo.gl/lkTpmV

[avag...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:45:14 PM UTC-4, avag...@gmail.com wrote:
> is your $700 part here somewhere ?
>
>
>
> http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/CatalogResults.aspx?y=1999&m=Ford&mo=E-350 Econoline#Search

$214.09 part 2211

[avag...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:38:19 PM UTC-4, avag...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hammond is on the charts
>
>
>
> http://goo.gl/lkTpmV

http://www.rockauto.com/

[avag...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:45:14 PM UTC-4, avag...@gmail.com wrote:

> is your $700 part here somewhere ?
>
>
>
> http://www.fordparts.com/Commerce/CatalogResults.aspx?y=1999&m=Ford&mo=E-350 Econoline#Search

PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

http://goo.gl/XF1aZY

[George Hammond]

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT),
avag...@gmail.com wrote:

>NEXT FIND THE AXLE TYPE your 350 has under it then find the other Ford trucks with this axle, then those backing plate numbers.
>

How would I find out the axle type?

>
>I imagine there are salvage yards and axles with the plate where the axles are probably unused able but the plates are use able.
>

Na... the axles are worth $400 junk and you have to pull the
axle, rotor and hub to get the backing plate off... nobody
will pull apart a $400 axle for a backing plate.

>
>On the four hole vs 2 hole, the pressing maybe different. That would be my guess as the flange itself would be HD....and used on other Ford trucks say 1999-2005.
>
>

Na both the Es40 SD and the F350 SD have 4-hole backing
plates and the pressings must be identical because they BOTH
use the same identical parking brake shoes. This is what
makes me think the only difference can be the 4-bolt
pattern.

>
>lug bolts on a E250 are larger than the 150...
>

Nothing from a 150 will fit on a 350.... but I think the
F350 and Econoline 350 are VERY similar except for the bolt
pattern.

>
>Check all Ford truck from your model's time frame for the years applicable. Van's maybe 1999-2005...something like that.
>

been there done that.

>
>
>I find $700 hard to swallow. Look again somewhere else near where these parts are made or assembled. our truck was made in Cleveland ? try Cleveland.
>

I've tried everything... Ford discontinued the part years
ago but still has a few available (marked up by $700) for
well heeled customers for whom money is no object.
>
>

[George Hammond]

I got plenty of Rustopleum paint.

[George Hammond]

I can't even find backing plates on this website.

[George Hammond]

You can't do much without a picture and Ford sin't into
pictures.. But I know the F350SD and the Econoline350SD
take the SAME IDENTICAL parking brake shoes.... so they must
be the same pressing configuratiopn.
In fact I located an Econoline 350 SD backding plate
GASKET and can see that the 4 bolt holes are moved slightly
from the picture of the F350 SD backing plate (Dorman
924-224) but obviously can be simply re-drilled and made to
fit the econoline.

[George Hammond]

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:33:38 -0700 (PDT),
avag...@gmail.com wrote:

>YUP DAZE DARE...2390 2B636 ? FIRST LINE...
>
>
>$230 OR $350... FOR THE PLATE.....FOR THE MOUNT ???
>
>lotta money for a piece of sheet metal.
>

No kiddin !! I asked the guy at the Ford garagfe about this
and he said its a "discontinued part" and "supply and
demand" has taken over for the few remaining plates and they
simply jacked the price up $600 bucks so only the big
spenders can get one. No shit !

[George Hammond]

yeah.... notice that the BACKING PLATES for the 1999
Econoline 350 SD are UNAVAILABLE.
>
>
Speaking of ROCK AUTO, here are pictures of a guy
replacing the rear backing plate on an F350 SD truck using
the DORMAN 924-212 backing platers:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1058615-parking-brake-backing-plate-installation-with-pictures.html

This is EXACTLY the backing plate that I think can be
re-drilled to fit my friends Econoline 350 SD. Notice this
guy got the Dorman place from ROCK AUTO.

[avag...@gmail.com]

YEAH I READ IT CAWS I FOUND IT...

the part number inserts into Ford's Part Search box leading you directly to the price...

under your VIN under rear axle disc under brake parts is your part

even here prob

https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=558&q=FORD+PARTS+1999+E350+BRAKE+HARDWARE&oq=FORD+PARTS+1999+E350+BRAKE+HARDWARE&gs_l=img.12...2025.26110.0.28092.35.14.0.21.21.0.266.1518.8j5j1.14.0....0...1ac.1.41.img..22.13.1157.x8U96YLEPus

good luck...I'm outta here.

use a torch.....Sears sells an oxy torch for $50

[George Hammond]

Yeah.... actually it isn't my Econoline Van.... It belongs
to a friend of mine who is a builder and knows nothing about
computers. I'm a writer and use the Internet all the
time... so he asked me to search the Internet and see if I
could find the part for him.... problem is the truck has
disc brakes but inside the rear discs is a hollowed out
BRAKE DRUM HOLE which takes two small brake shoes which act
as the PARKING BRAKE (aka emergency brake) and if that
dosen't work you can't get an INSPECTION STICKER.....which
is what his problem is... the left rear backing plate is
rusted right thru and the emergency brake won't work and
they won't put an inspection sticker on it.
Meanwhile, there is no way you can get one of these rare
discontinued parts from Ford without paying a $600 ransom.
However, I think I found a way out for him by using an
F350 SD backing plate which is obtainable from Dorman
($60/pair) and simply re-drilling the 4 bolt holes.... but I
need to be sure before he orders the parts from Dorman and
has his mechanic tear the axle apart again.
the reason I know the pressing are the same for the F350
and the Econo 350 is that they take the SAME IDENTICAL
parking brake shoes. the only thing that could be different
is the bolt holes... whcich I know they are since I found
an Econo350 gasket and you can see the bolt holes are moved
from the Dorman F350 part which I have a ;picture of.
I have a nice picture of Dorman 924-224 and 924-212 which
are for the F350 SD..... what I need now is a picture of the
Econoline 350 SD.... although I think I can check under his
Van and take a few measurements from the outside of the
backing plate which will tell me if its the same except for
the bolt spacing... whew.... knowing how to work a computer
can get you into alot of trouble nowadays !!!

[George Hammond]

I can't locate "part 2211" on this website. IS THERE A
PICTURE of the backing plate? A picture of this mysterious
and unavailable item would be very helpful since I could
compare it to thepicture of the F350 SD backing plate which
is available for $60/pair and can be re-drilfled, I think !

[avag...@gmail.com]

NO, IF YOU LOOK THRU THE ABOVE POSTS....Ford's part site lists the backing plate for either 230 or 350....and if you search your search....in the above posts yo'll find a post on how to do it with a recommend for a parts store....if that store doesn't have the part then you can begin searching parts stores city by city....rust belt and Texas/OK...try McHaik.....

I'd divide costs by truck's projected life in years.

[George Hammond]

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:13:02 -0700 (PDT),
avag...@gmail.com wrote:

Na, na, na..... part 2211 is a backing plate for DRUM BRAKES
not DISC BRAKES. You're not even in the correct ball park.

[avag...@gmail.com]

Hammond, get a grip. The info diagram is accessed from the top line disc brake E350...diagram shows disc brake equipment.

[avag...@gmail.com]

click the diagram....press control and +....


or enter the number in the parts number box on the first page

211 0r 212 with the mount 2B636 ?

could be the originals weren't properly painted or prepped for paint.

I have a story...


friend had a 4x4 Ford truck...the 4WD computer went out.....parts man said bad news Dude...costs $1400..

expletive deleted said friend !



eyeyyeyhahhahahha said the parts man...

THERE'S TWO OF THEM !

[George Hammond]

You missed cowboy. The above URL is a FORD PARTS WEBSITE.

An E350 backing plate WILL NOT fit an Econoline E350 Super
Duty.

FORD told me the backing plate for the 99 Econoline350
Super Duty is a DISCONTINUED PART but they still have have a
few available and gave me a written INVOICE QUOTE for (2)
Part # XC2Z*2209*AB for $795.47 for two backing plates
and brake shoes.

You gotta be kidding me.

[avag...@gmail.com]

right SD or E ? who would know ? but the price is the same.

what is the difference ? well one is super and the other is not. Modification isn't the answer as both come in at the same price.

Hey, you wanted super, you got it.

Question was availability. Divide cost by truck's life in years. The truck wil last your lifetime if you maintain it.

are you now a member of the good buy no parts club ? not yet.

price. yeah, I see that as a mid '60's GT price level. ?....

at Ford's ethics level you need to absorb the idea some parts prices are elevated with a sellers' understanding of the market. One factor is who buys the limited parts stock ? people with $$$ to maintain the exisiting fleet so all the other remaining parts have an ongoing market to the last bearing or to Joe Willy High School who'll unk his new parts for a used chicken coop ?

cough it up.

[George Hammond]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 06:13:55 -0700 (PDT),

Na... NO WAY am I paying FORD $800 for $80 worth of parts.

This calls for a hi-tech solution.

My investigation shows that the backing plate for an F350-SD
which is dirt cheap on the aftermarket (Dorman-$60/pair)
will actually fit the Econoline350SuperDuty.... all you have
to do is re-drill the 4 mounting bolt holes which is a piece
of cake since the caliper mouning bracket can be used as a
drill guide... you could do it accurate to a thousandth of
an inch in a bench vice with a hand held half inch drill for
chrissakes.

I discovered this when I realized the F350-SD and the
Econ350-SD both take the same IDENTICAL parking brake shoes
which means they must be identical except for the mounting
bolt pattern.

So, all I gotta do is buy Dorman 924-224 or Dorman 924-212
which ever is appropriate for the Econo caliper position
.......for $60......... and the $800 problem is solved.

[George Hammond]

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 06:13:55 -0700 (PDT),

Na... NO WAY am I paying FORD $800 for $80 worth of parts.

This calls for a gorilla--tech solution.

My investigation shows that the backing plate for an F350-SD
which is dirt cheap on the aftermarket (Dorman-$60/pair)
will actually fit the Econoline350SuperDuty.... all you have
to do is re-drill the 4 mounting bolt holes which is a piece
of cake since the caliper mouning bracket can be used as a
drill guide... you could do it accurate to a thousandth of

an inch in a bench vice with a hand drill for chrissakes!

I discovered this when I realized the F350-SD and the

Econ350-SD both take the SAME IDENTICAL parking brake shoes

which means they must be identical except for the mounting

flange bolt pattern.

So, all I gotta do is buy Dorman 924-224 or Dorman 924-212
which ever is appropriate for the Econo caliper position

.......for $60......... and the $800 "impossible" problem is
solved.

[avag...@gmail.com]

right....what's 10% ?

what would change from E to S at that point ? Ford attached a HD axle...did Ford attach 2 diferent HD axles ? Does not look cost effective. Enter Murphy...

brake shoes are not the factor...the flange/axle housing/bearing size/shaft size is the answer...brakes just stand outboard of your problem.

when I've stumbled on the problem I found the pressing was always different as extra holes and pressing complexity for strength surfaced.


try

https://www.google.com/#q=compare+Ford+E350+to+Ford+Econoline+Super+Duty

or similar also in Google Images.

figure getting the Dorman positioned to compare the stamping in the store to facilitate a give back...uh...bring a template off the disassembled S axle flange ?

[avag...@gmail.com]

Try a direct IMAGES search

http://goo.gl/oBKMyO

http://goo.gl/VqqjsO

My street vehicle is an E250 GT...

We park across the street .....the laptop/Mifi system is in the truck...
From an upper income RV winter park. Noise from the park suggests the plates are basically dfferent.

[avag...@gmail.com]

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNXXXXXX

https://www.google.com/#q=FORD++rear+axles+TYPES+for++Ford+Econoline+vans

[avag...@gmail.com]

your parts man is THEPARTSTORE

GooImages strikes again.. my project

http://goo.gl/VAO0SK

http://goo.gl/4nlaQY

[George Hammond]

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 04:49:24 -0700 (PDT),
avag...@gmail.com wrote:

>right....what's 10% ?
>
>what would change from E to S at that point ? Ford attached a HD axle...did Ford attach 2 diferent HD axles ? Does not look cost effective. Enter Murphy...
>

Dunno ? I don't think it matters.

>
>brake shoes are not the factor...the flange/axle housing/bearing size/shaft size is the answer...brakes just stand outboard of your problem.
>

The backing plate ONLY SERVES to hold the parking brake drum
shoes. Everything else is "outboard" of the backing plate
and doesn't matter.
Since the Econo350-SD and the F350-SD use the SAME
IDENTICAL parking brake shoes, the backing plate pressing

must be identical except for the mounting flange bolt

pattern.... whicvh suggests simply re-drilling the 4 holes.

>
>when I've stumbled on the problem I found the pressing was always different as extra holes and pressing complexity for strength surfaced.
>

Na... the pressing has no "complexity" it is an absolutely
flat plate in the brakwe shoe area... with a outer "sust
shile" collar.

[George Hammond]

I don't think so since they BOTH support the IDENTICALLY
same parking brake shoes.

[avag...@gmail.com]

so what did the brake plate parts man say ?

[avag...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:04:44 AM UTC-4, avag...@gmail.com wrote:
> so what did the brake plate parts man say ?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

the truck fell on Hammond damaging his organ ?

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the truck fell on Hammond damaging his organ ?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

found 2 in good condition for $150

[avag...@gmail.com]

found 2 in good condition for $150...


$110 !

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sold this weekend to S owner from Upper New York State