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Stormin Mormon
Dec 9, 2012, 6:35:55 PM12/9/12
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Got a 1995 G-20 that gave some trouble starting,
this week. Wouldn't start, so I tried pushing the
gas pedal. Starter spins, and the pitch of the engine
noise goes treble and bass. Higher and lower.
I wasn't sure if it was flooded. Several squirts of
ether later, it did start.
It's been wet the last few days, and I park on a gravel
driveway. Do these tend to flooding, or wet wires, or
some of each? When the van finally started, I dove it
around the block, and then to a service call and back.
Ran fine, the rest of the day.
The next day, I restarted the van, don't touch the gas
pedal. Started after several seconds.
Occurs to me to check the install date of the battery.
Might be weak.
Ideas, anyone? No money to replace, so, that's not
option.
Christopher A. Young
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this week. Wouldn't start, so I tried pushing the
gas pedal. Starter spins, and the pitch of the engine
noise goes treble and bass. Higher and lower.
I wasn't sure if it was flooded. Several squirts of
ether later, it did start.
It's been wet the last few days, and I park on a gravel
driveway. Do these tend to flooding, or wet wires, or
some of each? When the van finally started, I dove it
around the block, and then to a service call and back.
Ran fine, the rest of the day.
The next day, I restarted the van, don't touch the gas
pedal. Started after several seconds.
Occurs to me to check the install date of the battery.
Might be weak.
Ideas, anyone? No money to replace, so, that's not
option.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Steve W.
Dec 9, 2012, 7:10:29 PM12/9/12
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My 95 did this once and it was a bad chassis ground, was causing the
computer to see the wrong signals while cranking.
I have three volume factory manual set if you're interested. $100.00 +
shipping.
(1) GMT95G1 - 1995 G-Van Shop Manual
(2) GMT95G2 - 1995 G-Van Electrical And Emission
(3) GMT95LUR - 1995 Light Truck Unit Repair
Has all the info you would ever want on the G-Vans.
--
Steve W.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Dec 9, 2012, 8:01:00 PM12/9/12
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On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:10:29 -0500, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:
Firtst thing to do is next damp morning grab hold of one of the
spark plug wires and have someone crank the engine. If you feel even a
TICKLE you want new wires. If your eyes make like flashbulbs you KNOW
the cables are BAD.
I'd bet on bad cables - quite bossibly made worse by worn plugs.
Ether would (most likely) not start the engine if it had bad grounds
affecting the computer. The fact the cranking speed changed would
inticate possible cross-fire - making a cyl fire when the piston is
coming up, instead of at the top getting ready to go down.
wrote:
spark plug wires and have someone crank the engine. If you feel even a
TICKLE you want new wires. If your eyes make like flashbulbs you KNOW
the cables are BAD.
I'd bet on bad cables - quite bossibly made worse by worn plugs.
Ether would (most likely) not start the engine if it had bad grounds
affecting the computer. The fact the cranking speed changed would
inticate possible cross-fire - making a cyl fire when the piston is
coming up, instead of at the top getting ready to go down.
Stormin Mormon
Dec 9, 2012, 9:05:20 PM12/9/12
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Sounds like a dry day project. Where would I find these grounds?
I don't have the funds to pay you for shop manual. I'm sure it's worth every
penny.
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I don't have the funds to pay you for shop manual. I'm sure it's worth every
penny.
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Stormin Mormon
Dec 9, 2012, 9:07:11 PM12/9/12
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Very possible. I don't know off hand, when was the last time the van had
plugs and wires. Sadly, I've got so much tools and stuff, it's a major
project to get the motor cover off.
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plugs and wires. Sadly, I've got so much tools and stuff, it's a major
project to get the motor cover off.
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NotMe
Dec 9, 2012, 9:39:37 PM12/9/12
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term and the engine block. If that does not do the trick use the other side
of the cable between the neg term and the chasis.
Bill
Dec 10, 2012, 12:06:00 PM12/10/12
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In article <Gf9xs.9497$ev1...@fe26.iad>, cayoung61
***spam...@hotmail.com says...
Seems to me if it is not starting, then you spray in starting fluid
(fuel) and it then starts, THEN IT IS A FUEL PROBLEM!
Check the fuel system, pressures, volume of fuel test, etc. from factory
manual.
***spam...@hotmail.com says...
(fuel) and it then starts, THEN IT IS A FUEL PROBLEM!
Check the fuel system, pressures, volume of fuel test, etc. from factory
manual.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Dec 10, 2012, 4:32:18 PM12/10/12
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:06:00 -0800, Bill <Nomail...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Ether will often start a flooded engine - and particularly one with
a weal spark - so given the reported conditions, I'd be checking the
plugs and wires first. Only been fixing cars since 1969.
wrote:
a weal spark - so given the reported conditions, I'd be checking the
plugs and wires first. Only been fixing cars since 1969.
Stormin Mormon
Dec 10, 2012, 6:40:37 PM12/10/12
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Thanks for the ideas. I don't have that test
equipment. Today (Monday Dec 10, 2012)
I went out to start. It's wet out, light rain. I ran
the starter without touching the gas pedal. The
starter speed surged a couple times, and the
van started.
Started fine, the next several times. And, it's
been raining all day. I'm not sure what the
cause is, but "don't touch the gas" helps.
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equipment. Today (Monday Dec 10, 2012)
I went out to start. It's wet out, light rain. I ran
the starter without touching the gas pedal. The
starter speed surged a couple times, and the
van started.
Started fine, the next several times. And, it's
been raining all day. I'm not sure what the
cause is, but "don't touch the gas" helps.
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Stormin Mormon
Dec 10, 2012, 6:41:33 PM12/10/12
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Yes, that sounds reasonable.
Some things about cars stayed the same, all along.
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Some things about cars stayed the same, all along.
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Stormin Mormon
Feb 8, 2013, 1:48:57 PM2/8/13
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Feb 08, Thurs, 2013
Tuesday, I drove the van a couple times, spent much of the day out doing
service calls. Started after a couple seconds, and ran fine. Gassed it up,
and came home.
Wednesday, didn't drive the van at all, don't think.
Thursday, we had some humidity. As of now, 1:45 PM, wet snow. Light rain
earlier today. I decided to go out and gas up before the winter storm
coming. Starter spins, but not even the hint of fire. Tried ether, and that
didn't do much good. Something in there doesn't like wet starts. From under
the hood, I can't see any spark plug wires. There are so much tools and
such, I can't get the doghouse off. That's an hour's work to clear the
equipment and stuff. I suspect the spark plug wires are shot, and need
replacing. But, it's snowing, and that's a lot of work. Hope I don't get any
service calls that totally demand the use of the van. And hope the weather
dries up, so the van will start. Will try it tomorrow.
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Dec 09, 2012
Tuesday, I drove the van a couple times, spent much of the day out doing
service calls. Started after a couple seconds, and ran fine. Gassed it up,
and came home.
Wednesday, didn't drive the van at all, don't think.
Thursday, we had some humidity. As of now, 1:45 PM, wet snow. Light rain
earlier today. I decided to go out and gas up before the winter storm
coming. Starter spins, but not even the hint of fire. Tried ether, and that
didn't do much good. Something in there doesn't like wet starts. From under
the hood, I can't see any spark plug wires. There are so much tools and
such, I can't get the doghouse off. That's an hour's work to clear the
equipment and stuff. I suspect the spark plug wires are shot, and need
replacing. But, it's snowing, and that's a lot of work. Hope I don't get any
service calls that totally demand the use of the van. And hope the weather
dries up, so the van will start. Will try it tomorrow.
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Dec 09, 2012
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Feb 8, 2013, 3:57:59 PM2/8/13
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Which engine do you have??
Stormin Mormon
Feb 9, 2013, 5:10:56 PM2/9/13
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Feb 09, 2013
My thanks to friends who helped. The van needed
a new battery. The Oct 2007 oldie wasn't able to
start the big engine. Life isn't perfect, but at least
I can go to service calls in the work van, again.
Resolve to replace at four years, from now on.
My thanks to friends who helped. The van needed
a new battery. The Oct 2007 oldie wasn't able to
start the big engine. Life isn't perfect, but at least
I can go to service calls in the work van, again.
Resolve to replace at four years, from now on.
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Got a 1995 G-20 that gave some trouble starting,
this week. Wouldn't start,
this week. Wouldn't start,
Occurs to me to check the install date of the battery.
Might be weak.
Might be weak.
Ashton Crusher
Feb 10, 2013, 8:24:49 PM2/10/13
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I usually buy the battery with the longest warranty. When it's almost
to the end of the FREE replacement period I do a battery test on it.
If it shows the slightest bit weak I bring it in (costco) and exchange
it. It typically costs 5 or 10 dollars because they refund the
original price and then you pay the new price for a new battery.
to the end of the FREE replacement period I do a battery test on it.
If it shows the slightest bit weak I bring it in (costco) and exchange
it. It typically costs 5 or 10 dollars because they refund the
original price and then you pay the new price for a new battery.
so
Mar 5, 2013, 7:36:31 AM3/5/13
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drilling technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking.
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meantime, the state has offered to provide cisterns for local residents,
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this article may be used
Mr. Fenton said he thought he had dodged a bullet
until about three years ago, when his tap water began occasionally fizzing
and smelling like petroleum. And even though Encana is giving him drinking
water, Mr. Fenton said he and his family still bathe in dirty water.
A
draft report by the Environmental Protection Agency, issued in December,
appeared to confirm their concerns, linking chemicals in local groundwater to
gas drilling.
�I�d like to have the industry held accountable for once,�
said Jeff Locker, a hay and barley farmer who said that his well water had
gone bad around the mid-�90s and that the contaminants had contributed to his
wife�s neuropathy. �We�ve got scientific proof. And they�re still turning
their back on us. They expect us to pay between $100 and $200 for something
we didn�t cause. It gets under my skin.�
Mr. Hock said it should have come
as no surprise that the E.P.A.�s two monitoring wells showed high levels of
methane and benzene because they were drilled deep into a natural gas field.
A draft report by the Environmental Protection Agency, issued in December,
appeared to confirm their concerns, linking chemicals in local groundwater to
gas drilling.
For the last few years, a small group of farmers and
landowners scattered across this rural Wyoming basin have complained that
their water wells have been contaminated with chemicals from a controversial
drilling technique known as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking.
In the
meantime, the state has offered to provide cisterns for local residents,
using $750,000 allocated by the Wyoming Legislature this year. Under the
plan, people here would still have to pay a fee to have their water hauled
from the nearby community of Pavillion, at a cost that could run more than
$150 per month.
A draft report by the Environmental Protection Agency,
issued in December, appeared to confirm their concerns, linking chemicals in
local groundwater to gas drilling.
When evaluating the storm , you can try this http://www.azdeq.gov/environ/water/index.html
Yours, truthfully
Stormin Mormon
May 18, 2015, 6:16:37 PM5/18/15
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On 12/9/2012 7:10 PM, Steve W. wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Got a 1995 G-20 that gave some trouble starting,
>> this week.
>>
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>> Got a 1995 G-20 that gave some trouble starting,
>> this week.
>>
>> The next day, I restarted the van, don't touch the gas
>> pedal. Started after several seconds.
>>
>
>> pedal. Started after several seconds.
>>
>
> Check over the battery cables and the engine grounds.
>
> My 95 did this once and it was a bad chassis ground, was causing the
> computer to see the wrong signals while cranking.
>
Same van, still giving me same problems. Three
>
> My 95 did this once and it was a bad chassis ground, was causing the
> computer to see the wrong signals while cranking.
>
years later. Recently changed the wires, cap,
rotor (last year). And last week the ignition
coil. So, Monday the van barely started.
A few minutes ago, I removed, brushed, greased,
and did some thing else with the engine ground.
oh, replaced. Knew there was some thing else.
Will let you know in a couple days if it seems
different. Thank you, belated. BTW, happy birthday.
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Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon
May 18, 2015, 6:18:31 PM5/18/15
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On 12/9/2012 8:01 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> Firtst thing to do is next damp morning grab hold of one of the
> spark plug wires and have someone crank the engine. If you feel even a
> TICKLE you want new wires. If your eyes make like flashbulbs you KNOW
> the cables are BAD.
>
> I'd bet on bad cables - quite bossibly made worse by worn plugs.
>
> Ether would (most likely) not start the engine if it had bad grounds
> affecting the computer. The fact the cranking speed changed would
> inticate possible cross-fire - making a cyl fire when the piston is
> coming up, instead of at the top getting ready to go down.
>
Might do that, thank you, if there is a next
> Firtst thing to do is next damp morning grab hold of one of the
> spark plug wires and have someone crank the engine. If you feel even a
> TICKLE you want new wires. If your eyes make like flashbulbs you KNOW
> the cables are BAD.
>
> I'd bet on bad cables - quite bossibly made worse by worn plugs.
>
> Ether would (most likely) not start the engine if it had bad grounds
> affecting the computer. The fact the cranking speed changed would
> inticate possible cross-fire - making a cyl fire when the piston is
> coming up, instead of at the top getting ready to go down.
>
time. I also bought some premium gasoline in
case the fuel injectors are dirty.
I'm a bit tired of this routine, won't start
after a bit of rain.
Stormin Mormon
May 18, 2015, 6:21:09 PM5/18/15
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On 12/10/2012 4:32 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>> Seems to me if it is not starting, then you spray in starting fluid
>> (fuel) and it then starts, THEN IT IS A FUEL PROBLEM!
>>
>> Check the fuel system, pressures, volume of fuel test, etc. from factory
>> manual.
> Ether will often start a flooded engine - and particularly one with
> a weal spark - so given the reported conditions, I'd be checking the
> plugs and wires first. Only been fixing cars since 1969.
>
I've been riding in cars since the 1960s
>>
>> Seems to me if it is not starting, then you spray in starting fluid
>> (fuel) and it then starts, THEN IT IS A FUEL PROBLEM!
>>
>> Check the fuel system, pressures, volume of fuel test, etc. from factory
>> manual.
> Ether will often start a flooded engine - and particularly one with
> a weal spark - so given the reported conditions, I'd be checking the
> plugs and wires first. Only been fixing cars since 1969.
>
<sticks out tongue>
cl...@snyder.on.ca
May 18, 2015, 7:01:44 PM5/18/15
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wires and a set of new plugs and change them NOW. Check your coil
packs for sighns of flashover as well, and make sure they are clean.
Also make SURE you have an excellent ground between the battery and
the engine block, as well as to the body/chassis.
Stormin Mormon
May 18, 2015, 8:18:46 PM5/18/15
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On 5/18/2015 7:01 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:18:34 -0400, Stormin Mormon
> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2012 8:01 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> I'd bet on bad cables - quite bossibly made worse by worn plugs.
>>>
>>> Ether would (most likely) not start the engine if it had bad grounds
>>> affecting the computer. The fact the cranking speed changed would
>>> inticate possible cross-fire - making a cyl fire when the piston is
>>> coming up, instead of at the top getting ready to go down.
>>>
>>
>> Might do that, thank you, if there is a next
>> time. I also bought some premium gasoline in
>> case the fuel injectors are dirty.
>>
> On Mon, 18 May 2015 18:18:34 -0400, Stormin Mormon
> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2012 8:01 PM, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> I'd bet on bad cables - quite bossibly made worse by worn plugs.
>>>
>>> Ether would (most likely) not start the engine if it had bad grounds
>>> affecting the computer. The fact the cranking speed changed would
>>> inticate possible cross-fire - making a cyl fire when the piston is
>>> coming up, instead of at the top getting ready to go down.
>>>
>>
>> Might do that, thank you, if there is a next
>> time. I also bought some premium gasoline in
>> case the fuel injectors are dirty.
>>
>> .
> If starting after a rain is regularly a problem, buy a set of new
> wires and a set of new plugs and change them NOW. Check your coil
> packs for sighns of flashover as well, and make sure they are clean.
>
> Also make SURE you have an excellent ground between the battery and
> the engine block, as well as to the body/chassis.
>
You know, that's NOT the FIRST time you'd mentioned
> If starting after a rain is regularly a problem, buy a set of new
> wires and a set of new plugs and change them NOW. Check your coil
> packs for sighns of flashover as well, and make sure they are clean.
>
> Also make SURE you have an excellent ground between the battery and
> the engine block, as well as to the body/chassis.
>
SPARK plug WIRES. I'd been RESISTING changing them
out, as I replaced THEM some time last year, if MEMORY
serves. Got the GOOD ones at NAPA, or so I REMEMBER.
There is only ONE negative CABLE which goes to the
FRONT of the ENGINE. I took THAT off tonight, and
WIRE brushed it, GREASED it, and put it BACK on. The
ENGINE started nicely after that, and I didn't LOSE
the RADIO PRESETS. Will have to REVIEW the reciepts
one DAY soon, and see if MEMORY is correct about the
SPARK plug WIRES. Prefer NOT to change them NOW, as
I've had a LONG day, and just about READY for bed.
It will be DARK out in HALF hour OR SO.
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Christopher A. Young
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