Tailgaters: What Happens If I Slam On The Brakes?
Oliver Ming-Teh Sun
> Hi,
> I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
> on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
> I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
> up the money.
> What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
I suppose you have to ask yourself, "Why do I dislike tailgaters?"
If the answer is, "Because they are likely to involve me in an accident,
risking the well-being of all involved," then maybe you ought to re-think
this plan of yours.
Cheers,
oms
Stephen
means put the brakes on them
but keep in mind insurance doesn't pay for damaged after-market
(experianced).
Stephen
"Oliver Ming-Teh Sun" <os...@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
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Dean Dardwin
You need an new attorney. If he told you that all rearenders are the
following vehicles fault, he is wrong. If you intentionally cause an
accident, regardless of the circumstances, and your stupidity is
witnessed, you'd better hope you have a real good lawyer. You can lose
your shirt and if someone is injured, you can spend time being careful
not to drop your soap in the shower!
BTW, your stupidity is now memorialized on hundreds of servers all over
the world. Any sharp prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney will look for
your name on the 'Net and introduce a copy of this in court!
Dean
George Janson wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
>on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
>I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
>up the money.
>
>What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
>
>I could easily tell the police that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead
>of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use ? There will be
>no proof that I made that part up.
>
>Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state the tailgater
>always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone else.
>
>Thanks for any info !
>
Marc
>Hi,
>
>I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
>on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
>I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
>up the money.
>
>What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
>
>I could easily tell the police that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead
>of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use ? There will be
>no proof that I made that part up.
>
>Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state the tailgater
>always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone else.
>
>Thanks for any info !
As long as you have no problem with "assault with a deadly weapon"
then you should be fine. But the few people in this world left with
morals would not think that causing destruction of other's property in
a manner likely to cause injury is a worthy cause. It is still
perjury, even if you can't be proven to have lied.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
Greasemonkey
rim on mine.
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Brian Smith
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or if he feels the need for a new tailgate and bed from insurance the by
all
means put the brakes on them
but keep in mind insurance doesn't pay for damaged after-market
(experianced).
Stephen
You'd better shop around for a new insurance agent. You're not dealing with
a legitimate one now.
--
Brian
A car salesman and a politician have one thing in common, if their lips are
moving, they are lying.
Remove nospam. in address before replying.
Brian Smith
"George Janson" <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:23:53 -0600,
I thank you for your response, but my attorney is correct. If you are
parked at a red light, for instance, and you are rear-ended by another
driver, and you are pushed into the car ahead of you, you are at fault for
that portion of the accident.
If you were parked at a red light you were breaking the law there in itself.
I also plan on doing this when it is quite dark outside, preferably with
wet weather, so that witnesses will not see much, and the wet weather will
help to put one of these dangerous tailgating people right smack into my
rear bumper.
And, you don't consider yourself a danger to the rest of the motoring
public?
As you can see, Dean, I have planned well. I am not doing this for the
money, but to prove a point, you see. I was the victim years ago of a
reckless driver who cut me off, pulled in front of me and slammed the brakes
on to avoid hitting another vehicle. I was found to be at fault, even though
I had the ROW.
No one 'has' the Right Of Way, it is everyone's responsibility to give the
Right Of Way.
No, I am not that ignorant, nor is my lawyer, Dean. I wont be spending time
in jail, but someone will be spending time paying to fix my vehicle and pay
higher insurance premiums for a long time to come.
And, that person is you and everyone else that drives with insurance.
Roger Covalt
And what if the loser does not have insurance? Just because it's a
State Law that motorists are suppose to have insurance doesn't mean
they will.
I'm like you. I hate tailgaters but when they don't have insurance,
you're screwed and your insurance company is not going to like you and
your rates will go up.
I like the story that my brother in law told me. He gets rear ended
and the lady has no insurance but offers herself to him instead. My
brother in law laughs and tells her sorry, but you've totalled my
vehicle and I know you aren't worth it.
And another saga by the same brother in law. He gets hit by a guy in a
rental. Since my brother works construction, he needs a truck. The
rental company wasn't going to pay the extra for the truck, until his
lawyer called. Then the rental company (The guy that hit him) informed
him that they weren't going to pay for the extra days that my brother
in law would be driving the truck while on vacation (they were leaving
on a Saturday and the truck wasn't going to be ready from the body
shop until the next monday). Again, a call from the lawyer and my
brother paid no fees.
Yes, I hate tailgaters, but I also dislike insurance companies that
tries to screw the honest man.
On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:35:16 -0800, George Janson <gja...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
>on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
>I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
>up the money.
>
>What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
>
Brandon Sommerville
>No. I am a safe driver but my wife and I were almost killed by a tailgater a few weeks
>ago. You folks seem to play fast and loose with me, because I advocate a senerio where i
>instigate a controlled rear-ender, but you say nothing of all the people who tailgate for
>no regard to themselves or others, without "purposely" doing it.
There is never an excuse for tailgating, and if tailgated, you should
take appropriate measures to protect yourself, (slowing down,
increasing the following distance between you and the vehicle in front
of you, etc...) but there is also never an excuse for causing a
collision.
It's ironic that you consider yourself a safe driver yet are actively
planning a way to cause a collision, to "get back" at someone who did
you wrong in the past.
>I see little difference, myself. Speeders are speeders, tailgaters are tailgaters.
And fraud artists are fraud artists.
--
Brandon
The easy way is always mined.
Remove ".gov" to e-mail
Brandon Sommerville
>or if he feels the need for a new tailgate and bed from insurance the by all
>means put the brakes on them
>but keep in mind insurance doesn't pay for damaged after-market
>(experianced).
If you have the receipts they should pay for cost less depreciation.
Ideally they would pay to replace the parts in question, but then you
get into something called "betterment" which is pure BS IMHO.
Brandon Sommerville
>On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:30:05 GMT, whin...@yifan.net (Marc) wrote:
>>As long as you have no problem with "assault with a deadly weapon"
>>then you should be fine.
>
>Marc,
>
>By this I must think that you mean tailgaters are using their cars as deadly weapons,
>correct ?? I agree with that conclusion.
Certainly. Tailgaters are dangerous.
>>But the few people in this world left with
>>morals would not think that causing destruction of other's property in
>>a manner likely to cause injury is a worthy cause. It is still
>>perjury, even if you can't be proven to have lied.
>
>People with morals don't tailgate. I don't. Those who do so intentionally or
>unintentionally are possible murderers, if their tailgating kills someone, no ?
Absolutely. So what does that say about someone who is willing to go
the extra mile and deliberately cause a collision?
Měchael D. Brown
Do you really think you will be able to succeed or even avoid jail if your post is
found by the police or the insurance company? What if someone ever runs into you
from behind and you don't break at all? Bragging about your plan to deliberately
cause an accident is not the smartest thing you have done in your life.
Mike
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:33:05 GMT, j...@carrsw.com (John F. Carr) wrote:
>In article <8qpvvt87ovctvrdp4...@4ax.com>,
>George Janson <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters
>>that ride right on your bumper. [...]
>>
>>What happens if I slam the brakes on, [...]
>
>I would like to share a story that happened to someone I know.
>
>An SUV driver in heavy traffic on a freeway decides the motorcycle
>behind is too close and slams on the brakes to teach him a lesson.
>The motorcycle driver is quick enough to avoid a probably fatal
>collision and swerves around to the right. The SUV driver goes
>right to cut off the pass. Motorcycle aborts the pass, drops
>behind, downshifts, and before the SUV can react flashes past on
>the left. On his way past, the motorcyclist smashes the SUV's
>side mirror.
John,
I am not planning on slamming my brakes on in front of a motorcyclist. Most of them only
tailgate for a short time, then pass. That's OK by me. I have few problems with bikers.
What I do not like are cars, pickups SUV's and particularly the large commercial truck
drivers doing the same, only then never pass, even when I slow down as much as I legally
and safely can to let them pass me by. BTW, I almost alway drive the speed limit or a
little higher. I am not driving slow or in the fast lane on a freeway.
One of these tailgaters will be my target vehicle. It might even be someone here on
usenet.
Yes, I suppose a company vehicle is most likely to have insurance, but if the driver does
not, in either case, my lawyer can get a judgement against their home or other assets and
ruin them.
I didn't ask for this, John. Just the crazy out-of-control reckless tailgaters, who stay
behind you mile after mile. They are breaking the law and I intend to prove it for my own
sake. My policy was ruined for many years tahnks to a clown who cut me off, then slammed
his brakes to avoid a vehicle in front of him, cuasing a rear-ender.
Its' Payback$$ Time$$$
John Haines
>
> > I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
> > I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys up the money.
>
> > What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
If they are really close and annoying me, I just slow down utill they pass
or get the picture and back off. Truckers seem to learn real quick. They can
follow me at a safe distance or crawl till I turn off. They don't like to crawl.
Todd Copeland
> I thank you for your response, but my attorney is correct. If you are parked at a red
> light, for instance, and you are rear-ended by another driver, and you are pushed into the
> car ahead of you, you are at fault for that portion of the accident.
>
In that situation, I would agree. Are you planning on stopping at a red
light and getting rear ended? Or where you planning on braking for no
reason with the intent to cause an accident? Seems to me one is not your
fault and the other is illegal for you to act upon.
> >If you intentionally cause an
> >accident, regardless of the circumstances, and your stupidity is
> >witnessed, you'd better hope you have a real good lawyer.
>
> But how can you prove that I intentionally caused a rear ender if the person behind me was
> driving too close. After all, if he/she has a passenger, they will be required to testify
> that the driver was following too close behind me.
>
> I also plan on doing this when it is quite dark outside, preferably with wet weather, so
> that witnesses will not see much, and the wet weather will help to put one of these
> dangerous tailgating people right smack into my rear bumper. (BTW- there will be no "testomony" from passengers unless there are serious injuries, then if the persons are married, they don't have to testify)
>
> As you can see, Dean, I have planned well. I am not doing this for the money, but to prove
> a point, you see. I was the victim years ago of a reckless driver who cut me off, pulled
> in front of me and slammed the brakes on to avoid hitting another vehicle. I was found to
> be at fault, even though I had the ROW.
I dismissed you as a troll, which I'm sure is still true. But now...
well, your posts speak for themselves. Hey, when you try this and the
other person pushes your top heavy SUV over and it rolls, let know who
how you are doing from the hospital. I'm sure the pain will be well
worth your venture. Perhaps you will be lucky and the other person is
the only person who is hurt. Good to know that your making a point and
not just being stupid. (side note: close relatives should not mate)
> >You can lose
> >your shirt and if someone is injured, you can spend time being careful
> >not to drop your soap in the shower!
>
> No, I am not that ignorant, nor is my lawyer, Dean. I wont be spending time in jail, but
> someone will be spending time paying to fix my vehicle and pay higher insurance premiums
> for a long time to come.
I work as a auto claims adjuster and I here this crap all day long. Yup,
everyone has their own attorney just sitting around to represent them
free of charge. Also, you will need to spend your time taking your SUV
into the shop, going to the rental company to get a rental, going back
to the repair shop, and then returning the rental. All on your own time.
The other person will be going about their daily business as the
accident never happened.
> >BTW, your stupidity is now memorialized on hundreds of servers all over
> >the world. Any sharp prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney will look for
> >your name on the 'Net and introduce a copy of this in court!
>
> I am afraid that information obtained from internet newsgroups is not admissible in court
> in my state. Besides, I am using a false ISP address, so there is no way for anyone to tie
> this to me anyhow :).
Ignorant about automobile accidents, _and_ how how posts to Usenet work.
Why do you need an attorney? It seems you are well versed in several
different areas of the law (and incorrecty, I might add).
>
> My question is still valid.
>
> How many states have a "the rear-ender is always at fault" law?
There is no such law. As was stated before, everyone is responsible for
maintaining control of their vehicle. This inbcludes traveling at a safe
distance from another vehicle. When people are rear ended it's most
likely because the person in the back was not in control of their
vehicle. It's also well known that accidents are staged. I can tell you
that I've investigated several.
Let me break it down to you. Here is what will happen. The person behind
you hits the back of your vehicle. Now, if your lucky, you won't be in
pain from the accident, the person will stop, and the person will also
have insurance (yeah, you thought this out real good). If the person
does not have insurance, then you can either take then to court and have
a lien placed on that million dollar mansion they own. BTW - you will
need to foot the bill for the fancy attorney if the person does not have
insurance. Then you can sit back and wait for the money just to have
your pretty SUV repaired. The other option is to file under your own
insurance. You will be out of pocket your deducatable. Your carrier will
attempt to collect from the at fault party but I can tell you now, if
that person does not have insurance, they will not see dime one. But you
should not worry.... you have taught this very responsible person a
lesson. I'm sure it will be at least another week before they drive
carelessly. Perhaps they might be as stupid as you are and attempt to
get even with someone else.
Now go away you stupid troll. The groups you posted to are not for the
discussion is staged accidents.
Brian Smith
"George Janson" <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:32:18 -0400, No one 'has' the Right Of Way, it is
everyone's responsibility to give the
Right Of Way.
Then you had better read your states drivers manual. There are most
definitely legal Right of Way laws for motorists.
There are regulations that read, 'right of way will be given to', but, in
this Province there is no taken for granted R-O-W.
Entering a freeway onramp is an example. The motorists on the freeway have
the ROW, not the driver entering the on-ramp.
Here the law states that traffic on the highway allow the traffic from the
access ramp merge to keep the flow moving.
Perhaps you think red-light runners have the R-O-W too, eh ?
No, I do not.
And, that person is you and everyone else that drives with insurance.
To a very lesser extent, yes. To the degree that a tailgater will pay, no.
BTW, you make no mention of all the reckless drivers, all the speed-demons,
and red-light runners who help make insurance expensive. I wonder why ?
For the simple fact that I was commenting on your statements. And, not
speculating on more than that.
I don't like tailgaters myself, and as I stated within the last couple of
weeks, when we had a discussion along this same line. I used to drive like
that when I was younger. But, then I matured and realized that it was better
to use the space in front of me to prevent an accident, than not using the
space between my ears.
--
Brian
Mike
(New York) there is NO vehicle legally on the road that is uninsured.
In order to get plates for your vehicle, you need to have insurance,
and in order to not have insurance, you have either not paid up on your
policy or have claimed to change compaines and not done so.
Todd Copeland wrote:
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vehicle. My insurance paid for my hood shield (bug deflector) and fog
lights for my first accident. They paid for the fog lights for my
second too (different company) but I didn't have new ones put on. If
the loss of the aftermarket part is a direct result of the accident, I
think they will pay for it...
Brian Smith wrote:
--
unknown
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters
that ride right
> on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and
good insurance.
> I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the
tailgater ponys
> up the money.
>
> What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into
my rear ?
>
that a car ahead
> of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use
? There will be
> no proof that I made that part up.
>
> Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state
the tailgater
> always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone
else.
>
> Thanks for any info !
Well sir, my mother was involved in an interesting situation.
She had stopped for some light, was second in line.
The car in front of her backed up.
The officer cited my mother for following to closely.
Judge dismissed the case because the other driver backed up.
In your hypothetical scenario, I'd be worrying about who's going to be
paying the bills while the court case is taking place?
You can't drive because you have to be in court.
And that's only the traffic side of the issue.
Then you have to worry about the civil suit that's gonna be slammed on you.
That's kind of like the criminal who slips and falls on your roof and hurts
himself then sues you.
As I am a trucker, I'm always wondering the same thing.
The guy in the car behind can't see a damn thing but the ass end of my
trailer.
I couldn't tell you how many times I've come up on stopped traffic all of a
sudden and some idiot is smack on my rear.
In that case, he'd be screaming his fool head off all the way to the
hospital if he's still alive.
If it happens, so be it.
RKP51X
>rear ?
>
What goes around, comes around.
Roger Poplin dba RKP...@aol.com
Todd Copeland
leaves the whole statement meaningless.
I handled claims in NY for a couple of years and it's no different then
any other state. You renew your registration once a year, right? Most
insurance plans are paid each 6 months with some being paid month to
month. Someone does not pay their insurance premium so the policy is
canceled. Do you think they then take their tag into the local DMV and
surrender it? Unfortunately it's an all to common practice that people
get a month's worth of insurance _just_ so they can get their tags. They
then just let it lapse and keep the tags. It's also unfortunate that
they state does place a higher priority on this problem. About the only
time these people are found it is _after_ the are in an accident or get
pulled over for an infraction.
Kevin McMurtrie
It isn't always the tailgater's fault. It's your fault if you slam on
the brakes intent on causing an accident. It's also your fault if you
pull in front of somebody then hit the brakes (unsafe lane change). I
think you're confusing law with the BS attorneys and insurance companies
make up.
Here's an idea - give faster traffic the chance to pass. Smaller cars
can drive safely at much faster speeds than your SUV. If you're being
tailgated despite there being an easy way to pass, give the highway
patrol a call on a cellphone.
In article <8qpvvt87ovctvrdp4...@4ax.com>,
George Janson <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that
>ride right
>on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and
>good insurance.
>I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the
>tailgater ponys
>up the money.
>
>What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my
>rear ?
>
SBlackfoot
People tailgate, many people in fact. Somehow in your twisted mind you
believe causing an accident with one of these unsuspecting (however
reckless, granted) people will change that fact? All you will accomplish is
a lot of stress and heartache on you and your family, and on the victim (ie.
not you, the person you are setting up) and his/her family. What if your
"controlled accident" happens to kill the other driver? What if there are
children in that car? What if one of them winds up in the back of your
truck? How in the hell can you sleep at night?
I get tailgated al of the time, and I also get idiots darting in and out
mere feet infront of and behind me all the time. Have I considered what
could happen? Of course. Have I planned an accident? Of course not, that's
just plain stupid. It's even more reckless than the tailgaters you're trying
to prove a point to.
What if you injure or kill yourself? I suppose your family would be happy
that you proved your point, right? Potentially ruining several people's
lives including your own will actually make you feel better?!?
Osama Bin Laden planned an accident. Think about it.
Clark
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:34:39 GMT, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmu...@sonic.net>
wrote:
>
>
> I had exactly that sort of thing happen to me. I had the ROW, was cut off
by another car
> who tailgated me, then passed me, got back over in my lane and slammed on
the brakes.
How does someone cut you off and then tailgate you?
Ookie Wonderslug
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
>on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
>I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
>up the money.
>
>What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
>
>I could easily tell the police that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead
>of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use ? There will be
>no proof that I made that part up.
>
>Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state the tailgater
>always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone else.
>
>Thanks for any info !
Well for one you need to be real big and well armed. I tailgate slow
stupid insipid cretins when they feel the need to creep along and
sightsee ( or talk on the cellphone, eat, put on make-up, etc). After
a couple of miles of poking along at 10 mph under the limit or right
at the limit on some streets that have inexplicably lowered the speed
limit. I am on the verge of violence anyway. I tell you, should some
moron feel the need to slam on his brakes and cause me to hit them on
purpose, well, they will have an extremely bad day. I know quite a
few folk who feel the same way. Be careful. Some of us are armed and
will no doubt fear for our lives (in a legal sense) of someone who
would assault us with a 4,000lb weapon. When someone is put in
immediate fear for their lives extreme use of force is legally
justified. Why not just speed up? If your driving skills are that
bad, there are courses one can take to better themselves in that area.
Why jeopardise the lives of both yourself and others by such a simple
thing? Just go a little faster. If that doesn't work, pull over.
You would be amazed at how much that helps. You are no longer being
tailgated and the other guy gets to arrive at his destination at the
time he needs to. Getting shot or beaten silly is just plain dumb. If
you are not in that big a hurry pulling over is ideal. Slamming on
your brakes is extremely stupid unless you are Rambo and packin a
small machine gun. Ask that moron from Va that was driving Rt 3 in
Wva about 15 years ago at 7 am. He slammed on his brakes on purpose to
cause an accident. He got all his windows broken and a couple bones
broken for his troubles. Laying there bleeding all over the place.
Just for some insurance money. How utterly stupid of him. You gotta
feel sorry for someone that dumb. I hope he learned his lesson. You
shouldn't have to follow in his footsteps. People nowadays are real
mean. Inviting violent confrontation has got to be the dumbest thing
you can do.
Ookie
Hugh
snipped
> These tailgaters are so careless that they even tailgate large trucks like yours. Why are
> the police never seen pulling someone over to the side of the road for tailgating ?
Because it's usually at rush hour and the road is full of
cars. The cops just want to see traffic flowing, they don't
want to cause a log jam.
Hugh
Brian Hammon
A hip young man goes out and buys the best car available: A brand new
Ferrari GTO. It is also the most expensive car in the world, and it costs
him $500,000.
He takes it out for a spin and stops for a red light. An old man on a moped,
looking about 100 years old, pulls up next to him.
The old man looks over at the sleek, shiny car and asks, "What kind of car
ya' got there sonny?"
The young man replies, "A Ferrari GTO. It cost half a million dollars!"
"That's a lot of money," says the old man." Why does it cost so much?"
"Because this car can do up to 320 miles an hour!" states the young dude
proudly.
The moped driver asks, "Mind if I take a look inside?"
"No problem," replies the owner.
So the old man pokes his head in the window and looks around. Then, sitting
back on his moped, the old man says, "That's a pretty nice car, all right...
but I'll stick with my moped!"
Just then the light changes, so the guy decides to show the old man just
what his car can do. He floors it, and within 30 seconds, the speedometer
reads 160 mph! Suddenly, he notices a dot in his rear view mirror. It seems
to be getting closer! He slows down to see what it could be, and
suddenly, WHOOOOOOSSSSSHHH! Something whips by him, going much faster!
"What on earth could be going faster than my Ferrari?" the young man asks
himself.
He floors the accelerator and takes the Ferrari up to 250 mph.
Then, up ahead of him, he sees that it's the old man on the moped! Amazed
that the moped could pass his Ferrari, he gives it more gas and passes the
moped at 275 mph. WHOOOOOOOSHHHHH!
He's feeling pretty good until he looks in his mirror and sees the old man
gaining on him AGAIN! Astounded by the speed of this old guy, he floors the
gas pedal and takes the Ferrari all the way up to 320 mph.
Not ten seconds later he sees the moped bearing down on him again! The
Ferrari is flat out, and there's nothing he can do!
Suddenly, the moped plows into the back of his Ferrari, demolishing the rear
end.
The young man stops and jumps out, and unbelievably, the old man is STILL
ALIVE!!!!!
He runs up to the mangled old man and says, "Oh My Gosh! Is there anything I
can do for you?"
The old man whispers with his dying breath...
"Unhook...my...suspenders... from... your... side-view mirror."
"George Janson" <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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CaptainJ
close to your vehicle, you'd better think twice before endangering her
intentionally!
This is a stupid question - we are talking about human lives here, not cars
and insurance!
CJ
Martin Harvey
>
> No. I am a safe driver but my wife and I were almost killed by a tailgater a few weeks
> ago. You folks seem to play fast and loose with me, because I advocate a senerio where i
> instigate a controlled rear-ender, but you say nothing of all the people who tailgate for
> no regard to themselves or others, without "purposely" doing it.
Jeezus ... and we thought *Carl* was bad. At least he only moaned! This
guy is sufficiently nuts to actually consider this kinda crap ...
MH.
--
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http://www.pergolesi.demon.co.uk
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creates access violations, but still works effectively"
- Michael Caracena 15/5/2001 in comp.lang.pascal.delphi.misc
luckys...@hotmail.com
rear-ended me last year, what happens is, you get to get out of your
Chevy truck, walk to the rear, and hope and pray you don't have a
coronary from laughing at the damage Mr. Chevy bumper did to that poor
Nissan, all the while berating the stupid moron for tailgaiting you in
the first place. (Although slamming on your brakes to cause an
accident wouldn't be very smart).
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joe
fault for that. as far as I know there are no states that allow you to be
wreckless and endangering other people for an animal. the law says kill the
animal, dont fuck up the people behind you.
"George Janson" <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8qpvvt87ovctvrdp4...@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters
that ride right
> on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and
good insurance.
> I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the
tailgater ponys
> up the money.
>
> What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into
my rear ?
>
unknown
>
> >In your hypothetical scenario, I'd be worrying about who's going to be
> >paying the bills while the court case is taking place?
> >You can't drive because you have to be in court.
> >And that's only the traffic side of the issue.
> >Then you have to worry about the civil suit that's gonna be slammed on
you.
>
then what do you
> have to go on ?
In this day and age you have to ask for what?
I can think of a dozen reasons without any trouble.
>
>
> >That's kind of like the criminal who slips and falls on your roof and
hurts
> >himself then sues you.
> >
> >As I am a trucker, I'm always wondering the same thing.
> >The guy in the car behind can't see a damn thing but the ass end of my
> >trailer.
> >I couldn't tell you how many times I've come up on stopped traffic all of
a
> >sudden and some idiot is smack on my rear.
> >In that case, he'd be screaming his fool head off all the way to the
> >hospital if he's still alive.
> >
> >If it happens, so be it.
>
> That is exactly what I mean.
>
> These tailgaters are so careless that they even tailgate large trucks like
yours. Why are
> the police never seen pulling someone over to the side of the road for
tailgating ?
Yes they do.
I know one gal who says she was in florida minding her own business driving
the speed limit.
Looked back and saw blue lights.
She pulled over, saw the car behind her and drove on.
Looked back again and the cop was talking to the car driver.
A friend of mine who is a county officer in Ohio, I once asked if he pulled
over tailgaters.
"What are you pullin' me over for? I didn't do nuthin wrong."
I once rode with a guy who liked to push cars that were in front of him.
Scared the holy hell out of me and my dad.
Let's face it, tailgating is totally deadly.
If that car in front of you slams the brakes on, you're dead.
What part of dead do you not understand?
Marc
>On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:30:05 GMT, whin...@yifan.net (Marc) wrote:
>
>>George Janson <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
>>>on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
>>>I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
>>>up the money.
>>>
>>>What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
>>>
>>>I could easily tell the police that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead
>>>of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use ? There will be
>>>no proof that I made that part up.
>>>
>>>Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state the tailgater
>>>always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone else.
>>>
>>>Thanks for any info !
>>
>>then you should be fine.
>
>Marc,
>
>By this I must think that you mean tailgaters are using their cars as deadly weapons,
>correct ??
No. You are the person that is committing assault with a deadly
weapon.
>I agree with that conclusion.
Tailgaters do not intend to strike the other vehicle. You do. This
makes them incompetent and you evil.
>>But the few people in this world left with
>>morals would not think that causing destruction of other's property in
>>a manner likely to cause injury is a worthy cause. It is still
>>perjury, even if you can't be proven to have lied.
>
>People with morals don't tailgate.
People with proper morals may or may not tailgate. People with poor
judgement do. That you are unable to tell right from wrong would help
you in your criminal defense, however.
Do people with morals lie to the police (a crime) as you have stated
you would do? Do people with morals lie in court (a crime) as you
have stated you would do?
>I don't. Those who do so intentionally or
>unintentionally are possible murderers, if their tailgating kills someone, no ?
No.
Texas Penal Code
CHAPTER 19. CRIMINAL HOMICIDE
§ 19.02. Murder
(b) A person commits an offense if he:
(1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
Since a tailgater does not intentionally try to even harm anyone, it
is hard to consider them a murderer, as that required that they have
the intention to kill. You, on the other hand, know full well the
dangers of a crash and are trying to cause one. You would be a
murderer if a fatality resulted, and the tailgater would not be a
murderer.
Marc
For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
Marc
>On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:23:53 -0600, Dean Dardwin <d...@dxd.com> wrote:
>
>>George,
>>
>>You need an new attorney. If he told you that all rearenders are the
>>following vehicles fault, he is wrong.
>
>Dean ,
>
>I thank you for your response, but my attorney is correct. If you are parked at a red
>light, for instance, and you are rear-ended by another driver, and you are pushed into the
>car ahead of you, you are at fault for that portion of the accident.
That is completely incorrect. If you stopped at a reasonable
distance, then the vehicle that hit you would be 100% at-fault for the
collision involving your vehicle and the vehicle in front of you.
Marc
>On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:53:51 -0500, "SBlackfoot" <sblac...@sympatico.remove.ca> wrote:
>>Osama Bin Laden planned an accident. Think about it.
>
>That was no accident, Blackfoot. That was an act of terror.
He planned physical damage to property with the likely intention of
hurting people as well. He did this because he perceived that the
occupants of the property targeted caused him some harm or would serve
his personal statement.
I see plenty of similarities between your proposed criminal act and
his.
unknown
"Hugh" <hug...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3C007413...@earthlink.net...
And it's to damn dangerous for the cops to single out a car and chase him
down.
Specially when they have to cross several lanes of bumper to bumper traffic.
Acid Root
in front of you, whether they do it on purpose malicously, or the hand of god
sotps the cold......it is YOUR fault by not 'maintaing a safe distance'....or
that is the case in cour in MOST US STATES
Golfer
George,
I can certainly sympathize with your experience of having been cutoff by a
reckless driver
that caused you to crash into them, because the same thing happened to me
about 6 months
after I got my new 2000 Z71 truck. My insurance company said if was
fruitless to try to make
the other party cover the damages. According to them, in TX anyway, as long
as the fast lane
change that the other driver pulled was completed without them hitting
anyone, I was at fault
since I rear-ended their vehicle, despite the fact that I did not have time
to react and adjust
my following distance to the new car in my lane! So, yes, I guess in TX the
person that
rear-ends someone is "always" at fault (at least from my experience), but
I'm not aware of
a law that states this.
Yes, this really burned my arse, too!!! However, I cannot understand anyone
that would
deliberately want to cause an accident, and while it would probably be very
difficult for
anyone to prove you were at fault, I would never want to do this for many
reasons: risk of
serious injury to yourself or others, hassle of getting the vehicle
repaired, inconvenience of
being without the vehicle, inevitable problems of collision repair --
regardless of the quality
of repair, it's usually never as good as factory new condition, morality of
deliberately causing
an accident, ...etc. Please reconsider your plan and drive defensively, not
offensively!
Danny (older and hopefully wiser)
joe
"Ookie Wonderslug" <oo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:3c006dab....@news-server.carolina.rr.com...
Now I know people generally disregard it but it it the legal maximum, so if
someone is doing the legal maximum, shut the fuck up about them boing in
your way.
> on some streets that have inexplicably lowered the speed limit.
maybe because they found out there were a lot of accidnts casued by moronic
tailgaters so tehy lower teh limit so make the carnage they cause less?
> I am on the verge of violence anyway.
This is your problem and you need help
Brent Peterson
I actually found a couple ways where braking can be used to send
a message to tailgater to back off, but only as a method of non-verbal
communication, not a way to 'get back' at the tailgater..
One I have used is to depress the brake pedal just so the lights come
on and nothing more. (only works on some cars) Another is one I did
tonight for the first time. I accelerated, closing the gap between me
and the car ahead a little while adding sufficent space between me and
the tailgater, then braked to scrub off the additional speed all
before the tailgater could get back on my bumper. It got him off my
bumper and on to someone elses.
Keep in mind, these are designed as a non-verbal commincation or
as a way to get the tailgater to go elsewhere, much like slowing
continously without braking.
Brent Peterson
>How does someone cut you off and then tailgate you?
I've had people tail-gate, then pass, then cut me off, then slam on
the brakes. I've also had people cut me off, then I'll end up getting
ahead of them because that sort of driver makes alot of short-sided
decisions to get through traffic, and then have the same one tailgate
me.
Edgecrusher
George Janson wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:23:53 -0600, Dean Dardwin <d...@dxd.com> wrote:
>
>
>>George,
>>
>>You need an new attorney. If he told you that all rearenders are the
>>following vehicles fault, he is wrong.
>>
>
> Dean ,
>
> I thank you for your response, but my attorney is correct. If you are parked at a red
> light, for instance, and you are rear-ended by another driver, and you are pushed into the
> car ahead of you, you are at fault for that portion of the accident.
>
> There is no excuse involved or allowed.
Seriously, your attorney is an idiot. Talk to your agent and get the
phone number of the nearest claim office for your insurer that would
handle such an accident. They handle this stuff every day. Your
attorney is pulling this one out of his ass.
Edgecrusher
my belief that you are at this point guilty of conspiracy to commit
assault with a deadly weapon - whether you seriously intend to do this
heinous act or not!
You have voiced, method and motive, as well as intent.
I hope that I am correct.
George Janson wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:33:05 GMT, j...@carrsw.com (John F. Carr) wrote:
>
>
>>In article <8qpvvt87ovctvrdp4...@4ax.com>,
>>George Janson <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters
Brian Smith
"Marc" <whin...@yifan.net> wrote in message
news:3c058060....@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net...
You would be a murderer if a fatality resulted, and the tailgater would not
be a murderer.
Also, the tailgater would be the victim. His/hers family the survivors.
--
Brian
Brian Smith
"George Janson" <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rvq00us14as97nkrk...@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 03:34:39 GMT,
Just remember one thing: There are lots of people like me who were wronged
and we mean to change the system.
George
Then do it legally, petition, write letters to your government. Taking the
law into your own hands is just plain foolish and dangerous.
--
Brian
PawlRevere2
takes a bit of work adding some stuff to your vehicle.
get 2 sheets of paper. on one draw a raised middle finger. then glue it to the
second sheet. get a small spotlight and wire it into your vehicles electrical
system. place a switch in the circuit so you can turn the light on/off as
needed. arrange the light so it shines nicely on the paper you attached to your
rear window. when the next tgater shows up, hit that switch. you will
communicate to them unambiguously your feelings at the speed of light.
David Modine
Todd Copeland wrote:
> I handled claims in NY for a couple of years and it's no different then
> any other state. You renew your registration once a year, right? Most
> insurance plans are paid each 6 months with some being paid month to
> month. Someone does not pay their insurance premium so the policy is
> canceled. Do you think they then take their tag into the local DMV and
> surrender it?
In Maryland, if your auto insurance is canceled for ANY reason, prior to your
tags being turned in to the DMV, you will be smacked with some real heavy
fines.
Obviously, there are some idiots & scofflaws out there who may drive around
on illegal dead tags. But if they get caught they are in deep shit.
David
Clark
"Brent Peterson" <ba...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:slrna01a3...@cb597506-a.rmdws1.il.home.com...
Of course many things can happen in traffice, but "Mr. Janson's" description
was detailed yet neglected to mention how he was first cut off, then
tailgated. The description by "Mr. Janson" was:
> I had exactly that sort of thing happen to me. I had the ROW, was cut off
by another car
> who tailgated me, then passed me, got back over in my lane and slammed on
the brakes.
The sequence as described is physically impossible.
Hugh
snipped
> is hard to consider them a murderer, as that required that they have
> the intention to kill. You, on the other hand, know full well the
> dangers of a crash and are trying to cause one. You would be a
> murderer if a fatality resulted, and the tailgater would not be a
> murderer.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
Interesting thread. The tailgater may not be considered a
potential murderer but, definitely could be considered a
"manslaughterer". Any act, however unintentional, that
results in the death of another and is the result of
irresponsible behavior, is cause for a conviction. Since a
tailgator is placing the person he is following in danger,
he/she/it is acting irresponsible. The tailgator, by the
very act of tailgating, already fits the role of potential
killer. Any road hazard that prompts the vehicle ahead to
brake, is going to cause the tailgator to hit the vehicle
ahead, or worse case scenario, swerve out of line and cause
a massive pile up resulting in multiple killings.
The person braking to keep the tailgator off his butt, is
wrong of course but, are they any more wrong than the idiot
tailgating? The person on front is trying to protect himself
from the idiot who is trying to harm him. Call it self
defense, inexcusable of course, but self defense non the
less.
It's always funny to see the range of emotions when
tailgating comes up. All the way from "I can stop at 75 mph
if I'm 10' off your bumper" to "I slam my brakes on to keep
tailgators back". Neither one is right of course.
I make a practice of keeping the 3 second rule and keeping
in the slow lane unless passing. I don't care if twenty
people want to pull in front of me, I keep the 3 second
space. This way, even if I have an idiot on my bumper, I
have room to slow rather than panic braking.
Hugh
Todd Copeland
questions of negligence and operation of the vehicle in a safe manner.
If a person intentially casues an accident, they are breaking both these
conditions, and probably several laws. I've been adjusting auto claims
for about 8 years now and can only tell you that this is the case.
Some people think the person who rear ends another is always at fault...
and it's usually correct. But there is now law, statue, or any other
legal reason stating that this is the case. In the case of "following to
close" I'd say that the party in the rear contributed to the accident
but may not have been the sole cause. Many states take this into
consideration to different degrees.
Hugh
>
> the only flaw i see is that i you slam onteh brakes for an animal you are at
> fault for that. as far as I know there are no states that allow you to be
> wreckless and endangering other people for an animal. the law says kill the
> animal, dont fuck up the people behind you.
??????????????????????? Can you cite a law that states that?
Hugh
Jens Kr. Kirkebø
wrote:
Heh, that would be nice. Just drive through the moose....not.
System Administrator
David Modine <mod...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>In Maryland, if your auto insurance is canceled for ANY reason, prior to your
>tags being turned in to the DMV, you will be smacked with some real heavy
>fines.
Maryland thinks I owe them over $600 because I sent my tags back after
my MD insurance lapsed when I moved to PA. The registration had also
lapsed. They've suspended the (long since expired) Maryland
registration on that car (which I've since sold). Oooh, scary.
Jacob Suter
3 ft from the back of your head, you spread eagle on the ground, until the
cops showed up to cuff you and put you in the back of their car to take you
to jail for assult with a deadly weapon, wreckless endangerment, if not
attempted murder.
My actions would be considered self defense, as you just tried to cause me
great physical harm. Airbags tend to piss me off.
One suggestion: if you're being tailgated, your choices are move to a more
righthand lane. If you can't keep up with traffic speed, stay in the
righthand lane. If you can't understand this logic I suggest selling your
cars immediately and traveling with greyhound.
JS
"George Janson" <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8qpvvt87ovctvrdp4...@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters
that ride right
joe
an animal or other people the animal loses. If you swerve or panic stop and
cause other cars to be involved in an accident you are being reckelss. And
while I don't know the state law codes, I do know of tweo person friends who
fave failed driving test because they slammed the brakes to avoid hitting
squirrels. The instructors failed them for that alone because it was
reckless endangerment to other drivers. Seeing you are in .no (norway, i
believe) I can't speak of your laws.
"Jens Kr. Kirkebř" <je...@ikom.no> wrote in message
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Kroagnon
"George Janson" <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8qpvvt87ovctvrdp4...@4ax.com...
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters
that ride right
> on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and
good insurance.
> I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the
tailgater ponys
> up the money.
>
> What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into
my rear ?
>
> I could easily tell the police that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or
that a car ahead
> of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use
? There will be
> no proof that I made that part up.
>
> Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state
the tailgater
> always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone
else.
>
> Thanks for any info !
That depends... if you are one of those people that takes his big SUV and
cuts off people in the fast lane, then proceeds to drive under the speed
limit, I won't have any sympathy for you. If not, remember that it is the
other driver that slammed into you, not the other way around, and the police
can determine how close the other driver was if you provide accurate
information.
EX
> With all due respect, you sir, are an idiot.
>
> People tailgate, many people in fact. Somehow in your twisted mind you
> believe causing an accident with one of these unsuspecting (however
> reckless, granted) people will change that fact? All you will accomplish is
> a lot of stress and heartache on you and your family, and on the victim (ie.
> not you, the person you are setting up) and his/her family. What if your
> "controlled accident" happens to kill the other driver? What if there are
> children in that car? What if one of them winds up in the back of your
> truck? How in the hell can you sleep at night?
>
> I get tailgated al of the time, and I also get idiots darting in and out
> mere feet infront of and behind me all the time. Have I considered what
> could happen? Of course. Have I planned an accident? Of course not, that's
> just plain stupid. It's even more reckless than the tailgaters you're trying
> to prove a point to.
>
> What if you injure or kill yourself? I suppose your family would be happy
> that you proved your point, right? Potentially ruining several people's
> lives including your own will actually make you feel better?!?
>
> Osama Bin Laden planned an accident. Think about it.
I agree. George, you are a complete asshole for even considering this.
You also said you were planning to do this while it's raining? Yep,
you are a sick fuck.
Hopefully when you go through with this manuever, you will be badly
hurt and the innocent people behind you will walk away.
EX
dc
Absolutely. I made the mistake of paying to much attention to my wife
and kids and ended up running into the back of a car. I pushed that
car into the next car.
The lead car (#1) had braked abruptly because she saw a cop, causing
the next car (#2) to brake even faster. I was #3 and hit #2, pushing
#2 into #1 lightly.
I ended up paying for all three vehicles and I was faulted.
Interestly, car #1 only had a scratch but tried much later to collect
extensive medical payments. The poor guy in the middle was an old
man, hit much harder, completely not at fault and he was completely
honest. The lady in #1, imo contributed significantly to the
accident, and in some eyes would be considered at fault, tried to
unsucessfully to milk it for all it was worth.
In the end I paid for the vehicle damages, and she (#1) didnt collect
anything for bogus medical claims. If anyone would have been hurt, it
would have been the elderly man in car #2.
In any event, car #2 was never even hinted at being at fault.
EX
> >
> >I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
> >on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
> >I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
> >up the money.
> >
> >What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
> >
> >I could easily tell the police that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead
> >of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use ? There will be
> >no proof that I made that part up.
> >
> >Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state the tailgater
> >always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone else.
> >
> >Thanks for any info !
>
> stupid insipid cretins when they feel the need to creep along and
> sightsee ( or talk on the cellphone, eat, put on make-up, etc). After
> a couple of miles of poking along at 10 mph under the limit or right
> limit. I am on the verge of violence anyway. I tell you, should some
This is fucking hilarious. Now we have some Rambo toughguy wannabe
basically saying if you slam on the brakes to make a point, you might
get your ass kicked. Get over yourself Ookie. I think YOU better be
careful of who you accuse of purposely causing an accident. It works
both ways Mr.Violent. If you need to brag about it, you're just trying
to pump up the fragile ego you possess. If you ARE the asshole you
claim to be.......be patient, your day is coming.
EX
Jens Kr. Kirkebø
>Hey, im not saying its good for your car. But legally if it comes down to
>an animal or other people the animal loses. If you swerve or panic stop and
>cause other cars to be involved in an accident you are being reckelss.
But if you hit the moose you run a big risk of being dead. What's your
preference ?
I'd much rather be hit from behind than hit a moose, that's for sure.
Our laws here basically states that the rear-ender always is at fault.
He's supposed to keep a safe distance so he'll always be able to stop.
3 second distance is the accepted minimum.
Chris
Please consider the asshole behind the wheel driving with a young child who
forgot to buckle up. How would you feel if you killed an infant?
Imagine a two year old with her bloody head sticking into your back window!
Picture explaining this to your family. You might just end up killing
yourself.
What if the car behind you was a cop?
The best thing to do when being tailgated is "increase the following
distance to the car in front of you and move to the right side of the lane".
This will enable the tailgater to see past you and require them to pass only
one car at a time.
Picture yourself confronting the person and they are apologizing for
tailgating you. Most people would!
If you are loosing your self control and must take vengeance against the
innocent, please consider talking to your doctor about Prozac.
I hope this helps,
Chris Rush ic...@hotmail.com
"George Janson"
Utah Reject
but just remember before you slam those brakes on here are a few facts. your suv probably
weighs somewhere in the range of 2500 to 3000 lbs. An empty truck weighs 30,000 lbs and can
gross out at 80,000 lbs. You can go from 65 to 40 in about 3 sec. It takes a truck around 5 to
8 sec to slow from 65 to 40. Using this as a rule you can figure that by the time the truck
makes contact with your suv there will be a difference of around 10 to 15 mph which means that
you will be hit by a vehicle that out weighs your suv by around 10 to 25 times. You will not
fair to well in this scenario and if you aren't sent into another vehicle you will most likely
be sent careening off the road, totally out of control. You have a 60% chance of dying and an
80% chance of going to the hospital. I hope you seriously think of this before you decide to
go through with your plan. Instead try getting the trucks number and turning him into the
State Police and his company. It's just not worth putting your life as well as other drivers
lives at risk to teach an aggressive idiot driver a lesson.
Don.
George Janson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
> on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
> I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
> up the money.
>
> What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
>
John Howard Freeman
Morally and legally, you're at fault when you deliberately cause a collision. Are
you willing to take a chance that your vehicle will not be turned over, crash and burn
with you trapped inside? If it does, then you'd be getting exactly what you deserve!
It would be much easier to slow down until the tailgater gets tired of riding behind
you and passes.
You are admitting that you're a liar, when you say you could: "easily tell the police
that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead of me hit the brakes for an
excuse?"
Case closed!
George Janson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
> on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
> I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
> up the money.
>
> What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
>
> I could easily tell the police that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead
> of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use ? There will be
> no proof that I made that part up.
>
> Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state the tailgater
> always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone else.
>
> Thanks for any info !
--
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Gunslinger
>George Janson wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that ride right
>> on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong hitch and good insurance.
>> I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need be to make sure that the tailgater ponys
>> up the money.
That's nice, George. I have a large Peterbilt, and may weigh 80,000 pounds or
more. How much does your Excursion weigh? And BTW, I also have great lawyers.
Plural.
>> What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my rear ?
Several things. Do you bowl, by chance? If so, get out your bowling ball. Take
it outside on the deck. Then go into the kitchen and get a raw egg from the
fridge. Take it outside onto the deck, also. Now... this is the tricky part.....
sit the egg down, pick up the bowling ball, and drop it from a height of 3 feet
ontp the egg. Ooohhh, what a mess! Now, imagine this: YOU are the egg, and *I*
am the bowling ball. Is it worth it to you (or, more likely, your dependants) to
"make a point", or to "teach that trucker a lesson"???
And if that doesn't happen, there are other things that can. The trucker might
just pass YOU, and then return the favor by tying it down in front of ya. Ever
seen what a car looks like after it goes under the rear of a 53-foot trailer? It
ain't pretty.
And then again, the trucker might well just do a quick 911 on his cell phone,
and give the cops your description, tag number, etc. After all, YOU, by hitting
the brakes, caused him to be plenty close enough to read your tags. Most cops
don't think too highly of folks who intentionally try to cause accidents - no
matter what they're driving.
>> I could easily tell the police that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead
>> of me hit the brakes for an excuse, so what excuse will the tailgater use ? There will be
>> no proof that I made that part up.
In my case, there most definitely would be proof positive that you are a lying
asshole. When I am in the driver's seat, there is a video camera taping onto an
8-hour tape. It sees approximately what I see. The camera was only about $150 or
so, and I already had the TV and VCR. Cheap anti-asshole (like you) insurance.
So, George, if you REALLY want to deliberately slam on your brakes in front of
me, go for it. I could use the money.
>> Do the laws vary from state to state regarding tailgating ? In my state the tailgater
>> always is at fault, even if they rearend you by being rearended by someone else.
If it can be shown that you did in fact cause the accident through your own
actions, then you will be found at fault in every state that I have heard of.
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person behind me was
> driving too close. After all, if he/she has a passenger, they will be
required to testify
> that the driver was following too close behind me.
>
> I also plan on doing this when it is quite dark outside, preferably with
wet weather, so
> that witnesses will not see much, and the wet weather will help to put one
of these
> dangerous tailgating people right smack into my rear bumper.
>
> As you can see, Dean, I have planned well. I am not doing this for the
money, but to prove
> a point, you see. I was the victim years ago of a reckless driver who cut
me off, pulled
> in front of me and slammed the brakes on to avoid hitting another vehicle.
I was found to
> be at fault, even though I had the ROW.
>
> Seeing as how there are so many people who choose to tailgate me these
days, its payback
> time now ;-)
Hey, if that person who rear-ends you is severely injured or dies, you'll be
wrestling with more issues than "paying back" a tailgater.
If he/she is okay, you'll still have a big headache to deal with. Accidents
are no fun -- it'll probably mean lost sleep, time away from work/school,
and you'll have to drive around with a car that's deformed for a few weeks,
and chances are it will never *feel* the same again. Plus, the overall
structural integrity of your car will be somewhat diminished.
BTW: Testifying in court that you braked because of an animal or child or
whatever reason, when in fact, you braked because of your "plan" to get back
at a tailgater, is perjury. If it's found that you *did* lie in court, *and*
you intentionally caused an accident, you'll be in bigger trouble than you
want to be in.
Yes, tailgaters are annoying, but this is definitely not a solution to the
problem. And, it's illegal.
Paul
Paul Kim
> hurt and the innocent people behind you will walk away.
>
Funny you should wish this...isn't this exactly the same thing George wants,
except the tables flipped?
Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
<jeffse...@spamjam.home.com> wrote:
>If my wife is distracted by the kids in the car or something and comes to
>close to your vehicle, you'd better think twice before endangering her
>intentionally!
>This is a stupid question - we are talking about human lives here, not cars
>and insurance!
Then tell your breeder to keep her eyes on the road and pull over if
the kids are that damn much of a problem.
Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
kd5...@kd5nrh.net
Paul Kim
George, you're sick. I've lost all of what little respect I may have had for
you. No integrity whatsoever, huh?
> My answer is the same as the one I figured out about tailgaters: I don't
care what happens
> to them, anymore then tailgaters that don't plan, think about what would
happen to MY
> family when they tailgate us at very close range.
You're worse than the tailgater. This here, is the ultimate statement of
selfishness. "I don't care about anyone else, just me."
> That is a risk I am willing to take. So should anyone who drives a car or
truck.
Oh, so you're saying we should all be trying to have tailgaters rear-end us?
> >Osama Bin Laden planned an accident. Think about it.
>
> That was no accident, Blackfoot. That was an act of terror.
Exactly! Yours will be no accident. Yours is also an act of terror. Of
course, on a much smaller scale.
> But then what else could I expect from the mouth of an ignoramus that
drives a truck,
> probably tailgating and terrorizing car drivers while doing so, for a
living ?
Hey, if it weren't for that truck driver, you wouldn't have much of what you
have today -- your house (wood, bricks, etc), your gas-guzzling SUV, all
your food, etc.
That's the work and lifestyle he chooses, don't belittle him for that.
Marc
>Marc wrote:
>snipped
>> Since a tailgater does not intentionally try to even harm anyone, it
>> is hard to consider them a murderer, as that required that they have
>> the intention to kill. You, on the other hand, know full well the
>> dangers of a crash and are trying to cause one. You would be a
>> murderer if a fatality resulted, and the tailgater would not be a
>> murderer.
>>
>> Marc
>> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
>
>Interesting thread. The tailgater may not be considered a
>potential murderer but, definitely could be considered a
>"manslaughterer". Any act, however unintentional, that
>results in the death of another and is the result of
>irresponsible behavior, is cause for a conviction. Since a
>tailgator is placing the person he is following in danger,
>he/she/it is acting irresponsible. The tailgator, by the
>very act of tailgating, already fits the role of potential
>killer. Any road hazard that prompts the vehicle ahead to
>brake, is going to cause the tailgator to hit the vehicle
>ahead, or worse case scenario, swerve out of line and cause
>a massive pile up resulting in multiple killings.
If the death was the result of recklessness or criminal negligence,
then it is a homicide. Otherwise, as far as I can tell, it is not a
crime to kill. This is why the old people falling asleep at the wheel
kill with impunity around here. Just don't be a 16 year old doing the
same thing, or they will think that you were criminally negligent and
prosecute you...
TX Penal Code
§ 19.01. Types of Criminal Homicide
(a) A person commits criminal homicide if he intentionally,
knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence causes the death of
an individual.
(b) Criminal homicide is murder, capital murder, manslaughter, or
criminally negligent homicide.
§ 19.04. Manslaughter
(a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death
of an individual.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second
degree.
§ 19.05. Criminally Negligent Homicide
(a) A person commits an offense if he causes the death of an
individual by criminal negligence.
(b) An offense under this section is a state jail felony.
§ 6.03. Definitions of Culpable Mental States
(d) A person acts with criminal negligence, or is criminally
negligent, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or
the result of his conduct when he ought to be aware of a substantial
and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will
occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that the failure
to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care
that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as
viewed from the actor's standpoint.
>The person braking to keep the tailgator off his butt, is
>wrong of course but, are they any more wrong than the idiot
>tailgating?
Yes. Motive and intentions are considered the primary point.
>The person on front is trying to protect himself
>from the idiot who is trying to harm him. Call it self
>defense, inexcusable of course, but self defense non the
>less.
There are many ways of defense that do not include endangering the
lives of all those involved and others around.
>It's always funny to see the range of emotions when
>tailgating comes up. All the way from "I can stop at 75 mph
>if I'm 10' off your bumper" to "I slam my brakes on to keep
>tailgators back". Neither one is right of course.
I don't tailgate. Tailgating should be prosecuted (it currently is
not). The multiple felonies that have been suggested here are worse
than one person with bad judgement.
Jacob Suter
insurance company would think if they saw this message? Maybe even your
local DA?
Lets say you pull this little cowboy stunt and someone gets killed. You
know what you're up for? PREMEDITATED MURDER. In my state thats automatic
life. Its bad enough for the tailgating asshole to do what he's doing, but
you should not escalate this to a much more severe level...
I've found that flashing my cargo light (dodge fullsize truck) with a
somewhat upgraded bulb will tend to get the message across to any tailgaters
with a couple blinks. Yeah, I might (and sometimes hope) get get an
elevated middle finger but all that driver is doing is letting me know I
pissed him off - probably just as much as him tailgating me did... End
result - You got "even", nobody's life being endangered, shithead is off my
bumper, and nobody's done anything illegal. If this doesn't work, applying
the righthand blinker, checking for clearance, and moving to the right is
always an option. In an extreme case, take the next right turn or exit.
Let the ass-crawler find somebody else's ass to sniff.
I tend to be the "faster" traffic on the highway (I average about +10% in
good conditions), but I don't see the point of tailgating (I often wonder if
tailgaters skip wiping their ass after dropping a load in order to save a
miniscule amount of time, too) or clogging up lefthand lanes if someone's
wanting to go faster than me. Also if I can see far enough ahead to make
sure its safe, I will move to the shoulder to allow someone to pass (this is
legal in my state). I also completly HATE someone sitting beside me on
interstates or 4+ lane roads - either shit or get off the pot. Depending on
my mood and conditions I'll either speed up or slow down to get the person
away from me, since they obviously don't have good enough sense to make
their move...
I do believe that more should be taught during drivers education and
defensive driving courses about the damage a semi truck can create. I've
seen/heard/felt the force of a loaded trailer blowout on an outside tire - I
know full well many of those chunks weighed at least 2-3 lbs and were moving
at very high speed. Any one of those chunks could easily take out a grille,
windshield, side glass, door metal, etc. The explosion has enough force it
could cause one to lose control in bad conditions, plus just the shock of
what sounds like a 12 gauge going off beside you is enough to cause panic in
a lot of drivers.
If you're out trying to cause accidents for insurance money, good luck. All
you're going to end up with is a half-ass repaired vehicle (no way you're
going to slow down significantly enough to cause much damage to your
vehicle) and chances are you'll be laughed out of court on whiplash and such
for the same reason. In that case I'd suggest getting a job, or spend your
time trying to gain education and/or experience to get a better one.
I have a simple suggestion: chill out! You'll be a lot happier person that
way, and it may just save your life. Imagine how your
wife/husband/children/girlfriend/boyfriend/mother/father/grandparents/aunts/
uncles/brothers/sisters/neighbors/etc would feel when they heard the news of
your death because you were trying to shake some dickhead off your bumper,
something that has a 99.99% chance of not causing you any physical harm
anyways.
Good luck,
JS
"George Janson" <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hml30ugbkd9lbgv9e...@4ax.com...
> Don,
>
> I don't like the way some truck drivers tailgate, but I am not stupid
enough to try this
> maneuver on a heavy truck. Most truck drivers are much better drivers then
the younger car
> drivers who only know how to drive 80 MPH and cut people off, weaving from
lane to lane.
>
> No, I will bide my time, when some car driving ass***e has his high beams
in my rear-view
> mirror, then it will be all over for them, when my brakes are applied,
rather swiftly.
>
> Get real and drive like sensible people or prepare to be in a rear-ender,
folks.
>
> I know I am not the only person who feels this way by a long shot !!
Jacob Suter
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:00:16 -0600, "Jacob Suter" <jsu...@intrastar.net>
wrote:
>
> >In my neighborhood I'd be standing above you with the barrel of my .45
about
> >3 ft from the back of your head, you spread eagle on the ground, until
the
> >cops showed up to cuff you and put you in the back of their car to take
you
> >to jail for assult with a deadly weapon, wreckless endangerment, if not
> >attempted murder.
>
your case a
> quarter) of your brain left, Jacob.
I wouldn't be that close to your rear bumper. I don't tailgate, but under
the circumstance that ANYONE forces me into an accident, thats the way the
scenario would play out. If you'd be willing to endanger my life while
driving, why would I expect differently after we pulled to the side? I'd
consider myself threatened, and would act accordingly within the limits of
the law.
I also *always* wear a seat belt. I'd probably be feeling like I just got
my ass kicked by an airbag. This would not lead to me being in a good mood.
> >My actions would be considered self defense, as you just tried to cause
me
> >great physical harm. Airbags tend to piss me off.
>
> So do people tailgating me with headlights blazing, never passing, only
hanging on my
> bumper, waiting for a Deer to jump out in front of me, and I have to slam
on the brakes.
> What then ???
If there is a deer, or some other road hazard to warrant evasive manuvering,
then I say yes its the ass-crawler's fault. If the driver of the other
vehicle hits you, its his fault - both IMO morally and legally. If there
was no hazard and you can convience the police otherwise, you might get away
with it. If you screw up the smallest part of your story you could easily
be eating any sort of charge from wreckless endangerment to insurance fraud
to murder, depending on what happens.
> >One suggestion: if you're being tailgated, your choices are move to a
more
> >righthand lane. If you can't keep up with traffic speed, stay in the
> >righthand lane. If you can't understand this logic I suggest selling
your
> >cars immediately and traveling with greyhound.
>
> Perhaps speed-demons like you should take your own advice, before you take
someones life
> by tailgating !!!
Hey, check yourself before you start going off on me. I wasn't disagreeing
that tailgaters are assholes. I'm disagreeing to your attitude as the
self-appointed judge, jury, and executioner of people you deem tailgaters.
I hate tailgaters as much as you do, I just do my part not to be a "target"
of them, and deal with them safely and effectively when I do happen to be a
victim of a tailgater.
Are you out for blood beyond the ability to be reasonable? Do you think you
have a natural right to sit in the lefthand lane on the freeway, or wander
when people pass you, or even worse, speed up when people pass you on a
2-lane road? If so, you're way too wrapped up in the asshole behind you
than being able to drive effectively. Under that situation, you are a MUCH
LARGER DANGER TO THE ROADWAY than any tailgater.
I just don't understand tailgating. Why sit behind somebody when you can
just pass them? And why tailgate when "prepping" for a pass - I personally
like to have a bit of windup before I jump off into the oncoming traffic
lane, and if there's other same-way traffic lanes available, why would I
want to crawl someone else's ass when I could just pass you, or if thats not
possible sit back, turn the cruise on, crank up some good music and relax.
Sometimes its just alright to go a little slower. If you're in that big of
a hurry, pull over, whip out your cell phone, and call wherever you're going
and tell them you're gonna be late - people understand, and if they don't,
fuckem.
Be safe,
JS
Marc
>On 25 Nov 2001 12:22:51 -0800, dma...@yahoo.com (dc) wrote:
>>whin...@yifan.net (Marc) wrote in message news:<3c047fc3....@news.dallas.sbcglobal.net>...
>>> George Janson <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:23:53 -0600, Dean Dardwin <d...@dxd.com> wrote:
>>> >>You need an new attorney. If he told you that all rearenders are the
>>> >>following vehicles fault, he is wrong.
>>> >I thank you for your response, but my attorney is correct. If you are parked at a red
>>> >light, for instance, and you are rear-ended by another driver, and you are pushed into the
>>> >car ahead of you, you are at fault for that portion of the accident.
>>> That is completely incorrect. If you stopped at a reasonable
>>> distance, then the vehicle that hit you would be 100% at-fault for the
>>> collision involving your vehicle and the vehicle in front of you.
>>Absolutely. I made the mistake of paying to much attention to my wife
>>and kids and ended up running into the back of a car. I pushed that
>>car into the next car.
>>
>>The lead car (#1) had braked abruptly because she saw a cop, causing
>>the next car (#2) to brake even faster. I was #3 and hit #2, pushing
>>#2 into #1 lightly.
>>
>>I ended up paying for all three vehicles and I was faulted.
>>Interestly, car #1 only had a scratch but tried much later to collect
>>extensive medical payments. The poor guy in the middle was an old
>>man, hit much harder, completely not at fault and he was completely
>>honest. The lady in #1, imo contributed significantly to the
>>accident, and in some eyes would be considered at fault, tried to
>>unsucessfully to milk it for all it was worth.
>>
>>In the end I paid for the vehicle damages, and she (#1) didnt collect
>>anything for bogus medical claims. If anyone would have been hurt, it
>>would have been the elderly man in car #2.
>>
>>In any event, car #2 was never even hinted at being at fault.
>
>DC,
>
>That was one of my points exactly, and I was refuted by some of the denizens of the
>newsgroup. You are 100% correct in that in most states you would be found to be at fault,
>even though, from my POV you were not at fault, the gal in #1 car was.
So you posted that your lawyer believes that all times the car in back
is at fault, even when pushed into the car in front. When two people
call him wrong, you agree with them.
I'm confused. Why post what your lawyer believes if you disagree with
it? How do you now agree that the person braking in front should
share responsibility, when you are looking to do the same thing, but
with malicious intent (as opposed to her lack of intent).
>You see why people like me need to stand up and be counted ? And It only gets worse every
>year.
You can't even figure out what you are, let alone get counted for it.
>If we do nothing, we lose. If we write our congress persons, they don't care.
>
>Like the Lone Ranger, there comes a time when you have to take the Law into your own
>hands, when you know that you are right.
>
>Get ready people. There are many more folks like myself that are going to crackdown on
>tailgaters and take our chances!
And there are people in jail that have tried what you are proposing.
By the way, this fictional "lawyer" you claim to have consulted, did
he mention that your posts here could easily be taken as evidence to
be used against you for the felony you are committing right now?
You do realize that you are committing a felony, right? It's call
conspiracy. You are stating the intention to commit a crime and
trying to gather others to help you in your crimes.
By the way, what is your address? I want to know what to look for in
the news regarding your arrest.
Marc
>On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:35:34 GMT, John Howard Freeman <auta...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>>Greetings George,
>>
>>Morally and legally, you're at fault when you deliberately cause a collision. Are
>>you willing to take a chance that your vehicle will not be turned over, crash and burn
>>with you trapped inside? If it does, then you'd be getting exactly what you deserve!
>>
>>It would be much easier to slow down until the tailgater gets tired of riding behind
>>you and passes.
>>
>>You are admitting that you're a liar, when you say you could: "easily tell the police
>>that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead of me hit the brakes for an
>>excuse?"
>There is NO difference between a person who decides to immediately slam the brakes on
>purposely, after a long ordeal with a tailgater, or a person who, driving half-dead, slams
>the brakes on in an emergency braking maneuver that they could have avoided, if they were
>paying attention to thier driving, instead of something else, like talking on a cellphone.
Yes, there is. Why do you think there are three levels of standard
for homicide? Intention. You intend to hurt others, and that makes
you worse than someone that is simply incompetent.
Joshua Phillips
stupid shit deleted
> How many states have a "the rear-ender is always at fault" law?
none
Oliver Ming-Teh Sun
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:00:16 -0600, "Jacob Suter" <jsu...@intrastar.net> wrote:
>>
>>My actions would be considered self defense, as you just tried to cause me
>>great physical harm. Airbags tend to piss me off.
> So do people tailgating me with headlights blazing, never passing, only hanging on my
> bumper, waiting for a Deer to jump out in front of me, and I have to slam on the brakes.
> What then ???
Pull over and let them by. Simple, safe, and effective.
Cheers,
oms
Matthew Russotto
George Janson <gja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>There is NO difference between a person who decides to immediately slam the brakes on
>purposely, after a long ordeal with a tailgater, or a person who, driving half-dead, slams
>the brakes on in an emergency braking maneuver that they could have avoided, if they were
>paying attention to thier driving, instead of something else, like talking on a cellphone.
>
The law, and most rational non-trolls, recognizes a difference between
intentional acts and negligent ones.
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someone approached them. In my state, you're likely to take a bullet to the head for slamming
the brakes on someone. So where would THAT get you George?? Certainly not in a winning court
case, proving your ridiculous point.
In all this talk of "Rules of the Road", let's remember "Slower Traffic Keep Right".
George Janson wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:35:34 GMT, John Howard Freeman <auta...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
> >Greetings George,
> >
> >Morally and legally, you're at fault when you deliberately cause a collision. Are
> >you willing to take a chance that your vehicle will not be turned over, crash and burn
> >with you trapped inside? If it does, then you'd be getting exactly what you deserve!
> >
> >It would be much easier to slow down until the tailgater gets tired of riding behind
> >you and passes.
> >
> >You are admitting that you're a liar, when you say you could: "easily tell the police
> >that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead of me hit the brakes for an
> >excuse?"
> >
> John,
>
> There is NO difference between a person who decides to immediately slam the brakes on
> purposely, after a long ordeal with a tailgater, or a person who, driving half-dead, slams
> the brakes on in an emergency braking maneuver that they could have avoided, if they were
> paying attention to thier driving, instead of something else, like talking on a cellphone.
>
> Case closed !
>
Hugh
snipped
>
> I don't tailgate. Tailgating should be prosecuted (it currently is
> not). The multiple felonies that have been suggested here are worse
> than one person with bad judgement.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"
Actually I agree with you. The stuff suggested in this
thread is no solution to the problem. The solution may rest
in devices which don't allow tailgating. I wouldn't be
surprised to see them become law in the future. Just think
how many vehicles we could fit on existing roads if these
come into being. Even switching lanes would work
faultlessly. If you were in the passing lane and started to
move right, the car behind, in the lane you're moving into,
would automatically brake and let you in. Traffic would flow
smoothly and accidents would be rare. Vehicles without the
devices would be relegated to the side roads, where they
could play with each other to their hearts content.
Hugh
Frank (MS)
some cars, and also being used on some truck fleets. This technology is
still in the development stage. You can read more in the September 2001
issue of IEEE Spectrum on page 40. Some cool stuff coming out to aid
drivers of cars and the big rigs.
--
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1978 F250
1979 Bronco
1975 Ramcharger
"Hugh" <hug...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
wrote:
>Actually I agree with you. The stuff suggested in this
>thread is no solution to the problem. The solution may rest
>in devices which don't allow tailgating.
Hydraulic hay forks?
Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
kd5...@kd5nrh.net
Jym Dyer
=v= A tailgater very intentionally puts others in danger.
<_Jym_>
Brian Barnson
> > the only flaw i see is that i you slam onteh brakes for an animal you
are at
> > fault for that. as far as I know there are no states that allow you to
be
> > wreckless and endangering other people for an animal. the law says kill
the
> > animal, dont fuck up the people behind you.
> snipped
>
> ??????????????????????? Can you cite a law that states that?
> Hugh
I'm thinking he's never seen a moose.
Brian
Hugh
>
> Hugh, what you are describing is "Adaptive cruise-control" it is optional on
> some cars, and also being used on some truck fleets. This technology is
> still in the development stage. You can read more in the September 2001
> issue of IEEE Spectrum on page 40. Some cool stuff coming out to aid
> drivers of cars and the big rigs.
>
> --
> Frank,
Yep, I knew it was in the works. It'll be a few more years
before it actually becomes universal, but it sure will make
threads like this one a thing of the past. <g>
Hugh
Hugh
Actually, I don't think so. At least in most cases. They
just don't know any better.
Hugh
Hugh
Or ever hit a good sized dog.
Hugh
Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
wrote:
>Heh, that would be nice. Just drive through the moose....not.
Oh boy!!! Another thread turns to m00ses!!!
:)
Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
kd5...@kd5nrh.net
Jacob Suter
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> But he was still alive. You'll likely be dead or grieviously injured.
One can only hope...
:)
JS
SBlackfoot
home, not a sleeper
> truck, like you, sir.
I drive a sleeper truck? I thought I drove a Jimmy and a GTA... But
apparently you have all of the facts. You'll likely be living in a cemetary
after your little stunt my friend. The idiot remark stands.
> >People tailgate, many people in fact. Somehow in your twisted mind you
> >believe causing an accident with one of these unsuspecting (however
> >reckless, granted) people will change that fact?
>
> Yes, I do, in fact.
How? This one I have to hear.
> >All you will accomplish is
> >a lot of stress and heartache on you and your family, and on the victim
(ie.
> >not you, the person you are setting up) and his/her family.
>
>
> Nope. No stress on myself as I will not be found at fault.
Well at least one person thinks so. Take a wild guess who that one person
is?
> >What if your
> >"controlled accident" happens to kill the other driver? What if there are
> >children in that car? What if one of them winds up in the back of your
> >truck? How in the hell can you sleep at night?
>
> Funny you should ask that because THAT is exactly what I used to wonder
about tailgaters,
> particularly heavy duty truck drivers, with a vehicle that weighs well
over what my SUV
> weighs.
>
> My answer is the same as the one I figured out about tailgaters: I don't
care what happens
> to them, anymore then tailgaters that don't plan, think about what would
happen to MY
> family when they tailgate us at very close range.
This shows how mentaly unbalanced you really are. A kid could wind up dead
in the trunk/bed of your vehicle and you can honestly say that you do not
care? Christ, I'm sure that child never tailgated anyone.
> >I get tailgated al of the time, and I also get idiots darting in and out
> >mere feet infront of and behind me all the time. Have I considered what
> >could happen? Of course. Have I planned an accident? Of course not,
that's
> >just plain stupid. It's even more reckless than the tailgaters you're
trying
> >to prove a point to.
>
>
> That is pure BS. There is NO difference.
There's no difference, but it's bullshit. You'll have to explain that one
too.
> >What if you injure or kill yourself? I suppose your family would be happy
> >that you proved your point, right? Potentially ruining several people's
> >lives including your own will actually make you feel better?!?
>
> That is a risk I am willing to take. So should anyone who drives a car or
truck.
All of us here drive cars and/or trucks. We should all be perfectly willing
to kill ourselves just to pretend that we're proving some kind of point? do
you really believe this will make you some sort of martyr?
> >Osama Bin Laden planned an accident. Think about it.
>
> That was no accident, Blackfoot. That was an act of terror.
True, that was not an accident. Neither is what you have planned. How about
the needless terror this could easily cause on the victim's family? You're
no more than a bloody terrorist.
> But then what else could I expect from the mouth of an ignoramus that
drives a truck,
> probably tailgating and terrorizing car drivers while doing so, for a
living ?
I... tailgate for a living? I thought I ran a CNC laser for a living, and
I'm sure that I already stated that I do not tailgate. My ruck is comparable
to yours my friend. I guess we're both ignoramuses in our own way, yet only
one of us is blatantly so.
By the way, what city do you live in? The responsible public (ie. everyone
but you) should be aware of this lunatic on the roads.
Brandon Sommerville
>On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:37:51 +0100, Jens Kr. Kirkebø <je...@ikom.no>
>wrote:
>
>>Heh, that would be nice. Just drive through the moose....not.
>
>Oh boy!!! Another thread turns to m00ses!!!
>
>:)
My sister got bit by a moose once...
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Brent Peterson
> Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:37:51 +0100, Jens Kr. Kirkebø <je...@ikom.no> wrote:
>>>Heh, that would be nice. Just drive through the moose....not.
>>Oh boy!!! Another thread turns to m00ses!!!
> My sister got bit by a moose once...
It was very nasti
Arif Khokar
> > Hi,
>
> > I have been reading here of many people complaining about the tailgaters that
> > ride right on your bumper. My question is" I have a large SUV with a strong
> > hitch and good insurance. I also have a great lawyer that I can use if need
> > be to make sure that the tailgater ponys up the money.
>
> > What happens if I slam the brakes on, causing the tailgater to crash into my
> > rear ?
Why do you get tailgated so much?
I drive quite a bit and see a lot of tailgating but I rarely get
tailgated myself. Want to know why? Because I drive slightly faster
than 90% of the rest of traffic.
Basically, if there is someone coming up behind me and it appears he's
driving faster than I am...what do you think I do?
If I'm passing someone, I complete my pass and move to the right lane
(it ususally doesn't take me more than 5 to 10 seconds to complete a
pass).
If I'm already in the right lane, I remain there and let him move to
the left and pass me.
Of course, if I see a bunch of traffic in the right lane that I'm
going to pass anyway and I don't want to "relinquish" the left lane
yet, then I'll speed up (if I'm quite sure there are no cops
around...most of the time on roads I'm familiar with) to what I
perceive is the following car's original speed and pass all the
vehicles in the right lane before moving over.
This is my secret of not getting tailgated.
Rhonda Buchta
Rhonda
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Nathan J. Nagel
Studebaker valve seals?
nate
Edgecrusher
Paul Kim wrote:
>
> > Hopefully when you go through with this manuever, you will be badly
> > hurt and the innocent people behind you will walk away.
> >
>
> Funny you should wish this...isn't this exactly the same thing George wants,
> except the tables flipped?
Wishing ill upon somebody is not a crime. Assualting somebody with a
deadly weapon as George has expressed that he intends to do IS a crime.
Edgecrusher
George Janson wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:35:34 GMT, John Howard Freeman <auta...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
> >Greetings George,
> >
> >Morally and legally, you're at fault when you deliberately cause a collision. Are
> >you willing to take a chance that your vehicle will not be turned over, crash and burn
> >with you trapped inside? If it does, then you'd be getting exactly what you deserve!
> >
> >It would be much easier to slow down until the tailgater gets tired of riding behind
> >you and passes.
> >
> >You are admitting that you're a liar, when you say you could: "easily tell the police
> >that a dog or cat ran in front of me, or that a car ahead of me hit the brakes for an
> >excuse?"
> >
> John,
>
> There is NO difference between a person who decides to immediately slam the brakes on
> purposely, after a long ordeal with a tailgater, or a person who, driving half-dead, slams
> the brakes on in an emergency braking maneuver that they could have avoided, if they were
> paying attention to thier driving, instead of something else, like talking on a cellphone.
>
> Case closed !
>
Frankly George, you are scaring the shit out of me. Not because I would
be a likely victim of your supreme idiocy, but because there are
countless dumbshits on the road just like you that will also try such
stupidity to a fatal end - most likely involving somebody too clueless
to realize their offense in the first place.
Hopefully you will be locked up very soon.
Hugh
That's not a bad idea. Hook a tank of skunk piss up to the
exhaust pipe. Idiot hangs on your bumper, give them a little
shot. Bet they'd back off a bit.
Hugh
Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
<njn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH" wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:40:13 -0500, Hugh <hug...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>> >The solution may rest
>> >in devices which don't allow tailgating.
>>
>> Hydraulic hay forks?
>>
>
>Studebaker valve seals?
I forgot my favorite; old straight-sixes with bad exhaust
systems...get a tailgater, drop it into second, dump the clutch, and
watch everybody within three blocks hit the ground :)
Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH
kd5...@kd5nrh.net
Brian Smith
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Forget the moose..............try a BUFFALO!!
Rhonda
Or, a little bit safer, try prairie oysters.
--
Brian
Floyd A. Rogers
> Why do you get tailgated so much?
I was tailgated last night for 4 miles.
On a two-lane road with no passing zones.
By a car with only one (ill-aimed) headlight.
I was 2-3 seconds behind the car in front of me the entire 4 miles.
When it opened up to 4 lanes, she got in the right lane to get on the fwy.
Interestingly, the reason that she had only a single headlight was that
she had recently rear-ended someone and bashed up her front end.
Some people don't learn.
Floyd
JR
If I wanted to read this crap I would subscribe to alt.drivers with vivid
imaginations and too much time on their hands.
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