Needless to say, the cabbie will be almost as hopping mad at having to
take such a short fare as we are at having to take a cab in the first
Can somebody give me any suggestions on mollifying him without being
out of pocket by miles? How much has it cost him in time and money to
pick up a fare at Heathrow? Bear in mind that we wanted to spend £2.60
on a couple of Tube tickets, and now instead we're having to spend £10
(or whatever) on the cab, but the cabbie was hoping for a £50 fare. So
we're not inclined to spend money that we don't want to, but we want
to arrive in one piece.
If we increase the tip a bit from the standard 10% to 15% or so, will
I found this on www.ChiswickW4.com
I don't know if this is definitely true however I have heard that if a black cab at Heathrow
gets a fare to Brentford, they can get a ticket that means they can go to the front of the cab
rank again to compensate for the "low" fare... whereas with a fare to Chiswick, they don't
and need to queue hours again for a fare if they return to Heathrow.
That is absolutely right you should say Brentford as your destination if you are getting a
If you are not on expenses most mini-cab firms do pick-ups at Heathrow at a pre-arranged
spot. If you ring them as soon as you leave the plane they are there waiting by the time you've
collected your baggage. Cost is around £15 to Chiswick and if the taxi queue is long you will
be home much sooner than taking a black cab which now costs £30-35.
I think the issue is that the cabs have to line up for a couple of
hours to get a fare at LHR. If they get a "short" fare, then they're
allowed back near the top of the line. Hounslow is just a little too
far to make it back in time, hence the grumpy reception - it's not
just that they don't like short fares in general. I don't think an
extra 5% is going to help here. There used to be a taxi firm just
outside Hounslow East station, if that helps (make sure they've got an
A-Z in the car before you set off!).
ps. On a few occasions, I've been transferred out of one cab into
another just outside the airport.
ps. Why EasyCar - do they give good rates/deals/service whatever? We
use Enterprise at Hatton Cross - and they'll pick you up.
Get the tube to Hounslow West and then get a cab from there for about a
Ignoring the rights and wrongs of the black cab situation, its probably the
easiest way round the situation.
Tell the cabbie you want to go to a Heathrow airport hotel, apparently
this allows him to get permission from the dispatcher allowing him back
to the front of the cab queue.
When out of the terminal area tell him where you reallly want to go.
Doesn't need to be a hotel, I think it's anywhere in the local area. I've
got a taxi ride from T4 at Hrow to a business park at Bedfont Lakes, and he
just got a slip from the office & can go back to the front of the queue
afterwards. No problems at all.
Apart from all the other suggestion, why not email Easycar and see if they
will pick you up at the tube station? Many car hire companies are happy
enough to do this if you ask nicely. Although I suspect that Easycar may not
be as flexible as other companies in this way.
>Needless to say, the cabbie will be almost as hopping mad at having to
>take such a short fare as we are at having to take a cab in the first
I live locally to the airport and often take a black cab home from a long haul
trip, as well as when I finish work late sometimes and don't have the car.
If the cabbie gets a local fare the traffic warden supervising the cab rank
will issue him with a voucher to return straight back to that terminal on his
return to the airport. The cabbie is there to provide a service and must
accept any fare, if they give you a hard time take their badge number and
>Tell the cabbie you want to go to a Heathrow airport hotel, apparently
>this allows him to get permission from the dispatcher allowing him back
>to the front of the cab queue.
>When out of the terminal area tell him where you reallly want to go.
At which point he takes you to your originally requested destination and
charges you for it :-)
The traffic warden in charge of the taxi rank will ask where you want to go.
If it local they will give the driver a voucher to return straight back to
that terminal. In theory the cabbie has 30 minutes in which to get back, but
the wardens aren't that strict about it.
Easycar advise taking getting the bus to the Hibernia Road stop on Staines
TfL shows the buses depart T4 every 20 minutes during the day and every 30
mins in the evening until 23:37. Journey time is 15 minutes.
(If you arrive at T1-3 , the Heathrow Express is free for travel to T4)
>>Needless to say, the cabbie will be almost as hopping mad at having to
>>take such a short fare as we are at having to take a cab in the first
As long as the fare begins or ends in the Metropolitan district and
the journey is under 6 miles it is Illegal for the taxi to refuse your
Its called taking the rough with the smooth, if the taxi didn't want a
short fare, he shouldst rank up at the airport.
Also because of the way the Taxis are ranked and despatched at the
airport, he wont have any choice but to take you.
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A taxi MUST take a hiring within the Metropolitan (and City) Police
district up to a distance of 12 miles (it used to be 6 but was changed
recently) OR one hour. So if the journey would involve going through
very heavy traffic and would be likely to take more than 1 hour he could
From Heathrow airport the distance is 20 miles if within the
Metropolitan or City Police districts.
As far as ranking at Heathrow is concerned, the situation is this. Taxis
wishing to pickup at Heathrow must first enter a taxi feeder park. They
pay a fee for this (currently £2.60 I believe). When taxis are required
at the ranks at each terminal the warden controlling the rank will
telephone the feeder park and the cabs are dispatched (in batches of 10
or 20) to the appropriate rank.
This process may take 1,2,3 or in some cases as much as 4 hours before a
driver gets to the rank. The hope is that they will get a fare in to
central London. There is a system which has been agreed by the taxi
trade and the police that if a taxi gets a 'local' fare he can receive a
ticket from the warden to get return directly to the rank he left
without first going through the feeder park again. There is usually a
time limit to this. I can't remember the exact timing, but in some
exceptional cases the warden may allow a small amount of leeway if the
slip road has particularly heavy traffic for example.
The advice you've been give by some previous posters would help the taxi
driver to return to the rank without too much fuss. Any driver who
doesn't appreciate your help would (IMHO) be foolish to himself and the
trade as a whole.
(currently 19 months into the Knowledge of London who keeps himself up
to date with the TAXI trade news)
Mike Hughes, a Brighton *licensed* taxi driver.
At home in Tarring, Worthing, West Sussex, England
Need a taxi from Brighton Worthing Gatwick or Heathrow - please visit this site
No they don't. They don't get holiday pay, sick pay, or any other
benefits that those in paid employment take for granted.
>and they are
>out to con you as much as possible.
Wrong. The vast majority of cab drivers are honest, hard working people
who want to get their customers to the destination as quickly as
Yes, there are *some* (a very, very, small number) who are out to son
the public. These are detested by the genuine drivers as much, or even
more than, the travelling public.
You can say the same about any occupation. There are bad doctors,
dentists, police officers, nurses, bankers, etc.
> The number of times I have taken an
>expense-paid cab and the just seem to love taking the best route for traffic
>which adds at least 10 minutes onto my journey.
Taxi drivers are legally obliged to take the SHORTEST route. This may
not be the quickest. If you want to take another route then all you have
to do is to tell the driver. However, be aware that as the meter works
mainly on distance your final fare may be higher (but not always if you
are stuck in really thick traffic since the time element kicks in)
I once had a passenger in Brighton who wanted to go from the Avenue,
Bevendean (north east of the town centre) to Portslade (west of Brighton
town centre). I started to go via Lewes Road in towards the town centre
when the customer shouted "Which way are you going, over the top is
quicker". So I turned the cab around and went via the Brighton by-pass.
He was right - it was quicker, but the fare was about £4 more than it
would have been had I gone the other route.
I'm always happy to go the way the customer wants to go - I usually make
>Also I once took a taxi
>from home (near Maida Vale) to Paddington and the cheeky git of a cabbie
>told me that the Heathrow Express was not working in the hope that he would
>get a £50 fare rather than a £4 fare.
Was the Heathrow Express actually running on that day when you got
there. It is possible that it had not been running and the driver was
*genuinely* trying to help you :-)
I have experienced this frequently at Brighton, particularly on weekends
when there are engineering works. Many people stay in Brighton overnight
before flying out from Gatwick, then allow only just enough time to get
to Gatwick by train. It is very common for the trains to be routed via
Littlehampton which adds *at least* 1 hour to the journey time - and
they think we're trying to con them! They then have to pay the fare to
Gatwick (usually at a price a little higher than that originally quoted
by the driver), plus the fare they have already paid to get to the
station instead of one fixed price.
How much is the fare on Heathrow Express these days. I read recently
that this is (one of) the most expensive train journey(s) in the UK. Is
it possible that 4 people taking a taxi would be cheaper than taking the
(who's currently 19 months into the London knowledge)
I found a site today where a Taxi firm was offering rides from LHR to
"anywhere in Central London" for 65 quid. Similar deals for Gatwick. The
killer was "Eurostar to Central London" - a bargain at 35 quid!!
65 Quid!!! are they having a laugh????
We only charge 40 Quid for that service to anywhere in London
Is this site for LONDON licensed TAXIS (black cabs). If it is then they
are committing an offence under the Hackney Carriage Regulations if the
fare they are charging is more than that which would be on the meter.
Likewise with the Eurostar to Central London service. However, Gatwick
to London can be any price (provided it is fixed at the start of the
journey) since Gatwick is outside to licensing area for London cabs and
fares can be fixed at any rate agreed by the parties concerned
If you can post the site address for me then I could possibly tell if
it is a properly licensed LONDON taxi service.
>We only charge 40 Quid for that service to anywhere in London
In a London licensed TAXI? (not a private hire or minicab) I seem to
recall that your company offers a minicab service and it is therefore
not a TAXI service.
(currently 19 months in to the London knowledge)
Actually we offer both types of vehicles, Both private hire and
However in the case of the poster previous to this, I think he was
refering to private hire vehicles for a fixed price.
In our case we are fully aware of the law, and it states quite clearly
on the main page of our website
>>Of course if you still require a traditional London Black Taxi Cab, we can also supply those for you as well (black Taxi cabs are metered so we cannot give a fixed price for these, please use our quote request form and select Black cab you will either pay the metered fare or the quoted price whichever is the lower
We got some rather odd emails this am regarding this very matter, so
we just sent them back a copy of the private hire vehicles (London)
Act 1998, and our licence details, and we highlited the sections of
the above act (section 4 mainly) which allows for us to use Licenced
London cabs as Both TAXIS (on meter) and Private hire vehicles (off
Which BTW means that a Black Taxi can be used as a private hire
vehicle anywhere in the London area, with the meter off, and at a
pre-arranged price, hence no offence would be committed if a black
Taxi was booked as a private hire vehicle, even at Heathrow.
However to be classed as a private hire booking, this would always
have to be booked in advance via a licenced operator at a licenced
In other words you cant just walk up to a Taxi at Heathrow and agree a
price, that is an offence.
here is the relevant section of the act
>>(2) A London PHV operator shall secure that any vehicle which is provided by him for carrying out a private hire booking accepted by him in London is-
>> (a) a vehicle for which a London PHV licence is in force driven by a person holding a London PHV driver's licence; or
>> (b) a London cab driven by a person holding a London cab driver's licence.
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"Office Manager" is a licensed Black Cabbie as far as I know
>>> The above posting shows that your lack of taxi law knowledge.
>>"Office Manager" is a licensed Black Cabbie as far as I know
Office manager is indeed.
Next month I need to take a cab from Victoria Station to lodging
which is not far from Waterloo Station. Distance is approximately
two miles. Any ideas as to what the cab fare should be?
Please don't suggest the tube as we will have luggage and arriving
at Victoria - unfortunatly - during the morning rush.
My guess is that it will probably be about 5 pounds, but if it is during
peak periods 8-10am 4-6pm it could be more. Ooops I just noticed you said
during the morning rush so I'd allow 10-15 pounds max. But I'm guessing.The
hotel may be able to suggest a prebooked minicab service - which should be
cheaper and waiting for you.
If you arriving at Victoria I guess you are coming from Gatwick ?
Is your hotel walkable (with your luggage) from Waterloo, you can get a
train from Gatwick to Waterloo if you change at Clapham Junction - note
Clapham Junction is a big station with ramps/stairs and about 25 platforms -
so it depends on how much luggage you have and how fit you are.
Just make certain that you either go out the front entrance of the
station, or if arriving on the Gatwick Express, by the separate RAFT
(Rail And Freight Terminal) entrance and that you get in to a properly
licensed London taxi. If you've been to London before you will be
familiar with their appearance. If not there are various web site which
you can look at, including that of the Public Carriage Office which also
lists the scale of charges (sorry haven't got the URL at the moment).
These are the new Tarriffs for licensed taxis, if you can work out
what you fair is going to be, good luck
Better to take a Thameslink to London Bridge, then catch a Charing Cross
train from the same platform to Waterloo East. Minimal humping of luggage
required, and cheaper than Gatwick Express.
Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society
Yes, but there are several Thameslink trains from Gatwick in the morning
rush that don't go via London Bridge. A good look at the timetable is
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Agreed but phone in advance to pre-book for a private hire firm and order a
people carrier, these tend to be cheaper then just turning up.
Thameslink to London Bridge. Wait on the same platform for a train to
Waterloo East and Charing Cross, and get off at the first stop (Waterloo
The train would be 9 or 10 pounds per passenger, depending on the
routing chosen, for a total of 45 or 50 pounds for the five passengers.
They would have to transfer at Victoria, Charing Cross, or London Bridge
to get to Waterloo or Waterloo East.
Train schedules are here:
A standard black cab would be something like 75 pounds, but they would
likely need two taxis for five adults.
They could also prearrange a ride with one of the transfer companies,
with prices in the order of 15 or 20 pounds per person, one way, or as
low as 24 pounds for a round trip.
Details are in this web site:
Therefore, if the least expensive way is preferred, then the train is
substantially cheaper than a cab, and a bit less than a round trip
Oops, I meant Clapham Junction instead of Charing Cross. Another option
is a change at East Croydon, depending on the train service.
A standard black cab is licensed, AND PROPERLY INSURED to take 5 people.
What's more you will get a driver who knows London, having completed the
world (in)famous Knowledge of London.
AS Gatwick is outside the Metropolitan area you will have to pre-book a
London taxi first. I can arrange this for you for 70 pounds.
>>AS Gatwick is outside the Metropolitan area you will have to pre-book a
>>London taxi first. I can arrange this for you for 70 pounds.
Where are they going to put the luggage?
>What's more you will get a driver who knows London, having completed the
>world (in)famous Knowledge of London.
No you get a driver who knows the part of London covered by the Knowledge. I
live 5 miles from the airport inside the MPD and have never had a black cab
driver yet from Heathrow who I have not had to give precise directions to.
That is living off a major road that if you drive straight down it into the
centre runs along the side of Hyde Park.
Heathrow is a bit of an anomaly since the taxis are green badge drivers
(on the basis that most fares go in to and out of the centre of London).
Therefore you would be correct that you have to tell the driver the
exact road you need.
There have been a number of suggestions about local ranks, etc at
Heathrow, but as yet no one has suggested a method which is not opento a
great deal of abuse.
The knowledge is already difficult enough as it is and to expect drivers
to know even more roads in the outer boroughs would mean that you would
not get many (if any) drivers who could learn that much. I realise that
this is a compromise, but it's the best that the PCO can come up with.
>Green Badge Drivers are expected to have a detailed knowledge of a 6
>mile radius of Charing Cross.
Precisely my point I was disputing your comment that you get a driver who
knows London. You get a driver who knows the small part at the centre (if it
can be called that) of London.
He's a black taxi tout, what do you expect him to say?
>>A standard black cab would be something like 75 pounds, but they would
>>likely need two taxis for five adults.
>A standard black cab is licensed, AND PROPERLY INSURED to take 5 people.
>What's more you will get a driver who knows London, having completed the
>world (in)famous Knowledge of London.
Yet 5 people PLUS LUGGAGE most likely won't fit in a standard black
I dunno, a shoe horn, some KY jelly, a lot of pushing and shoving, and
the pasengers all sitting there with suitcases jammed up their noses
and carry ons wrapped around their necks, might just do it.
Coming into London Stansted?
Fixed price Taxi to Central London
>>If you look at the original posting you will see that the poster
>>mentioned that they had one case each. These *should* go in to the front
>>luggage space and the boot combined.
Can I let you into a little secret?
65% of our customers dont actually get this bit right.
and a perfect example of this is what happened to one of our drivers
at Stanstead yesterday.
They booked a standard car for 4 pax with apparently 1 case each, no
problem with that you may think...EXCEPT it was actually 1 very large
suitcase each, 1 rucksack each, 3 carrier bags of bits each and 5
Altogether 3 airport trolleys worth of Luggage.
As luck would have it, we had one of our 8 seaters clearing at
stansted 30 Minutes later, and we used that instead, but they paid
almost double what they had been quoted
And even better just last week, we had a booking for 3 pax, that when
they arrived there were actually 5 of them, they didnt think kids
counted as passengers, and said it woiuld be ok if the kids sat on the
parents laps......needless to say we didnt take them...
Coming into or leaving from Harwich?
Fixed price transfers available
Cheaper and better than the cruise lines
There is probably a coach service which would be cheaper than anything
else. A licensed minicab is just as safe as a taxi, if not safer,
because the licenced company has a record of the booking and full
details of the driver plus some details of the passenger.
By the way, I can comfortably fit 5 passengers and normal sized
suitcases into my Ford Galaxy if I know in advance to remove one of
the seats. 5 passengers with small cases I can manage without removing
For a list of licenced mini-cabs by London Borough, visit Transport
For London's website. You might have to phone a few for a quote, and
be certain to tell them you need a people carrier.