Prostitution and drug abuse primary transmission of HIV/AIDS in China
Chive Mynde
Chinese Measures to Slow HIV Spread Appear Ineffective
By Sue Mulley
HONG KONG (Reuters Health) -- Prostitution and drug abuse remain the
primary avenues of transmission of HIV/AIDS (news - web sites) in
China, despite the country's efforts to eliminate them, according to
Dr. Ai-xia Wang of Peking Union Medical College Hospital in Beijing.
She presented her report at the 7th Western Pacific Conference on
Chemotherapy and Infectious Diseases held here.
Although Wang said condom use is practiced widely in China, she
conceded it is taught for ``family planning purposes'' rather than the
prevention of sexually transmitted diseases. Community groups organize
condom education programs for newlyweds, but Wang said that she doubts
whether these schemes reach the target population where the prevention
of HIV/AIDS is most needed.
In China, there are officially 20,711 HIV cases and 741 AIDS cases, of
whom 397 patients have died, according to the latest figures recorded
in September 2000. In Beijing alone, 550 HIV cases and 56 AIDS cases
have been registered by the Beijing Prevention Station; and 74 HIV
cases and 35 AIDS cases at Peking Union Medical College, according to
figures as of end-October 2000.
In a separate presentation, Dr. Yiming Shao of the National Center for
AIDS Prevention and Control, National AIDS Reference Lab, Chinese
Association of Virology and Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine,
said the estimated number of HIV cases is 20 to 25 times more than the
20,711 reported, or more than 500,000 cases.
``Our best scientific guess is that sometime between 2000 and 2001,
we'll have 1 million cases, and by 2010, 10 million cases,'' he said.
``The drug-abusing population is increasing in China and is a wide
problem. We have a mobile rural population of 120 million people who
move through the urban areas and we have found that each drug
trafficking route is associated with a different HIV-1 recombinant
strain,'' Shao explained.
``Among the several thousand HIV sequences obtained from more than 20
Asian Pacific countries, almost all (types) in the M group of HIV-1 as
well as HIV-2 have been found, reflecting the huge population with ever-
increasing mobile activity of this region,'' Shao added.
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Tuesday December 12 12:40 PM ET
Quest, Stanford Find Antiviral Resistant HIV
TETERBORO, N.J. (Reuters) - Quest Diagnostics Inc., a provider of gene-
based medical testing, information and services, said on Tuesday that
it and the Center for AIDS (news - web sites) Research at the Stanford
University School of Medicine have found strain of HIV-1 that is
resistant to antiviral drugs.
The strain has reduced susceptibility to reverse transcriptase
inhibitors, a class of antiviral drugs, Quest said.
Identification of this new mutation gives physicians additional
information that allows them to better target effective treatment of
HIV-1 in their patients, Quest said.
The findings, which were published in the November Journal of Virology,
are being used by Quest to report laboratory results for its HIV-1
genotyping test, the company said.
WebQueen
common way of spreading HIV now is spouses that are cheating on
eachother...
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:05:55 GMT, Chive Mynde <chyve...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
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Chive Mynde
N...@SPAM.WHAT.SO.EVER wrote:
> Whats funny is that this is changing in the west. In norway the most
> common way of spreading HIV now is spouses that are cheating on
> eachother...
Please don't top-post as it makes it difficult to follow a thread.
As far as your comments go, yes, you are correct, yet you fail to
consider the facts in this matter.
Many times, when spouses "cheat" on each other, the male spouses are
having extramarital relationships with prostitutes and may be spreading
HIV.
According to the American Foundation for AIDS Research (amfAR) at
least 40,000 Americans become newly infected with HIV each year.
Infection rates are rising dramatically among some groups, especially
women and young people.
http://www.amfar.org/pages/prog05b.html
Some studies of prostitutes claim that many simply do not use condoms
during sex, nor do they use it during oral sex.
As a result, prostitutes are in a high-risk group for transmission of
the HIV virus.
AIDS activist and Indian actress Nafisa Ali describes some of the sex
workers' problems as the creation of men. She said,``We must educate
the women to reduce their vulnerability...so that they can find other
means of earning a livelihood and bringing up their children in a good
environment.''
Prostitutes can be infected by males and then spread the virus to other
johns and those johns then spread it to their wives. This appears to
be occurring on a massive scale in Thailand and Africa. I will post
the evidence for this claim as soon as I find the reference.
SOME FACTS
The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and
childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports
and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada
psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women,
work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see
also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992,
International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los
Angeles, CA)
65% of prostitutes reported sexual abuse in childhood (M.H.
Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street
prostitutes, "Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133)
Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from
65% to 85%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland,
Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients
reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest.
The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H.
Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes,
Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years
(D.Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent
Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). These studies are outdated,
since the age of entry into prostitution is decreasing. For example,
how do we even conceptualize "juvenile" prostitution, when the age of
consent is lowered to 12 years, as has happened in 1995 in Australia
and Netherlands?
"About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape.
It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution
is just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten
times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history
of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking
the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition
against Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. )
78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution
Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a
year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns.
(Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual
Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon)
70% of San Francisco prostitutes reported being raped by customers
an average of 31 times. (Mimi Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape
of street prostitutes," 1988, in A.W. Burgess (ed.) Rape and Sexual
Assault II, New York, Garland Publishing.
88% of 130 San Francisco prostitutes stated that they wanted to
get out of prostitution (Melissa Farley and Norma Hotaling, 1996, in
press, "Prostitution, violence, and posttraumatic stress disorder).
94% of 110 Thai prostitutes, and a similar percentage of 108 prostitutes
from Zambia stated that they wanted to get out of prostitution
(Melissa Farley, unpublished data, 1996)
In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted
suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides
reported by hospitals. (Letter from Susan Kay Hunter, Council for
Prostitution Alternatives, Jan 6, 1993, cited by Phyllis Chesler in "A
Woman's Right to Self-Defense: the case of Aileen Carol Wuornos," in
Patriarchy: Notes of an Expert Witness, 1994, Common Courage Press,
Monroe, Maine.
A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that
girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher
than the national average. ( Margaret A. Baldwin, 1992, "Split at the
Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform" in Yale
Journal of Law and Feminism, Vol 5: 47-120)
"Anti-AIDS groups have largely focused on negotiating "safe sex" by
promoting condom usage. In both developing and industrialized country
contexts, current campaigns to control the spread of HIV/AIDS by
advocating "safe sex" for women in prostitution fail to address the
blatant inequities between women who are bought for sex and the men who
pay for it. Any AIDS strategy based on negotiating condom use between
the purchaser of sex and the woman who must supply it assumes a
symmetry of power that does not even exist between women and men in
many personal consensual relationships. If AIDS programs are serious
about eradicating AIDS, they must challenge the sex industry."
- Janice G. Raymond
The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/catw/mhvhealt.htm
"The sex of prostitution is physically harmful to women in
prostitution. STDs (including HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes,
human papilloma virus, and syphilis) are alarmingly high among women in
prostitution. Only 15 % of the women in the Minneapolis/St. Paul study
had never contracted one of the STDs, not including AIDS, most
injurious to health (chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrheal, herpes). General
gynecological problems, but in particular chronic pelvic pain and
pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), plague women in prostitution.. The
Minneapolis/St. Paul study reported that 31% of the women interviewed
had experienced at least one episode of PID which accounts for most of
the serious illness associated with STD infection. Among these women,
there was also a high incidence of positive pap smears, several times
greater than the Minnesota Department of Health’s cervical cancer
screening program for low and middle income women. More STD episodes
can increase the risk of cervical cancer."
Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/catw/mhvhealt.htm
"Prostitution is a system that differentially targets females and is a
direct result of women's social, sexual, and economic subordination.
Women and girls are coerced and forced into systems of prostitution.
Others become involved in prostitution as a survival response. Being
used in prostitution is not an all-encompassing definition of who a
woman was, is or will be. The differences that set prostituted women
apart are seldom of choice or morality, they are simply differences of
circumstance. The concept of choice implies existence of at least two
options from which one chooses. The difference between starvation,
abuse, homelessness, loneliness, and death or prostitution can hardly
be called a choice." © 1997, Kelly Holsopple, all rights reserved
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/onestorm1/sac.html
"[When] prostitution is recognized as "sex work," legalization follows;
pimps, sex industry cartels, and sex businesses openly
flourish, regulated only by the demands of the marketplace. [When]
prostitution is legitimized as sex work, men and boys are sent the
message that purchasing the body of a woman or girl for sex is no
different from buying a pack of cigarettes. With no social stigma
attached to buying prostitutes, the demand for prostitution escalates.
At the same time, women and girls internalize the message that the
female body is a marketable commodity. Girls begin to see prostitution
as a career option, unaware that sex work is a trap that will deprive
them of control over their lives. [When] prostitution is
legitimized as sex work, the values and dynamics of prostitution spill
over into other areas of society, influencing the valuation and
treatment of women and girls and lowering their status."
The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999
Donna M. Hughes and Claire M. Roche, Editors
Donna M. Hughes, dhu...@uri.edu
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30% of Old Delhi sex workers afflicted by STDs
Nafisa lights lamp of hope on GB Road
Staff Reporter
NEW DELHI: Razia knew little about the woman who spent over two hours
at her workplace on Saturday. But from the warmth in the visitor's
voice, she had little doubts that the woman was a well-wisher.
AIDS activist and actress Nafisa Ali won several admirers, like Razia,
in a brief interaction with sex workers at the G B Road red-light area
in Old Delhi.
The sex workers were, expectedly, excited about having a celebrity
visit them. Some even took out their personal cameras to click Ali.
Some prepared to welcome her with flowers.
Sharing the sex worker's concerns over delay in issue of ration cards
and lack of facilities for educating their children, Ali assured all
possible help.
Reiterating the need for taking precautions against AIDS, she said:
``Sex workers and NGOs have to join hands to fight AIDS.'' Later she
handed over a box of condoms to sex workers at brothel number 50.
Ali also announced plans to launch a drive, in association with the All-
India Shakti Vahini Foundation, for vaccinating sex workers against
Hepatitis-B.
Describing some of the sex workers' problems as the creation of men,
she said: ``We must educate the women to reduce their
vulnerability...so that they can find other means of earning a
livelihood and bringing up their children in a good environment.''
Later, Ali kicked of Shakti Vahini's scheme for issuing I-cards to over
2,500 sex workers, who are permanent residents of the red-light area.
Shakti Vahini's executive director Ravi Kant said the NGO planned to
intensify the STD/HIV intervention project. Besides promoting use of
condoms, the NGO offers free medical check-ups to sex workers who have
joined the organisation.
There are over 4,000 sex workers operating in the G B Road area.
Medical experts associated with Shakti Vahini said at any given point
of time, at least 30 per cent of the sex workers are afflicted by
sexually transmitted diseases.
Copyright © 2000 Times Internet Limited. All rights reserved.
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Making the Harm Visible
Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls
Speaking Out and Providing Services
Health Effects of Prostitution, Janice G. Raymond
Selected national and international studies, research projects and
various women’s programs have begun to address the health burden of
violence against women. Such projects have especially focused on the
health consequences to women of battering or domestic violence, rape
and sexual assault, child sexual abuse and incest, and female genital
mutilation (See, for example, World Bank Discussion Papers 255,
Violence Against Women: the Hidden Health Burden). In depicting the
health effects of such forms of violence against women, these projects
attempt to make the violence, harm and human rights violation to women
visible.
When violence against women is considered, prostitution is often
exempted from the category of violence against women. However, a
consideration of the dire health consequences of prostitution
demonstrates that prostitution not only gravely impairs women’s health
but firmly belongs in the category of violence against women.
The health consequences to women from prostitution are the same
injuries and infections suffered by women who are subjected to other
forms of violence against women. The physical health consequences
include: injury (bruises, broken bones, black eyes, concussions). A
1994 study conducted with 68 women in Minneapolis/St.Paul who had been
prostituted for at least six months found that half the women had been
physically assaulted by their purchasers, and a third of these
experienced purchaser assaults at least several times a year. 23% of
those assaulted were beaten severely enough to have suffered broken
bones. Two experienced violence so vicious that they were beaten into a
coma. Furthermore, 90% of the women in this study had experienced
violence in their personal relationships resulting in miscarriage,
stabbing, loss of consciousness, and head injuries (Parriott, Health
Experiences of Twin Cities Women Used in Prostitution).
The sex of prostitution is physically harmful to women in prostitution.
STDs (including HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea, herpes, human papilloma
virus, and syphilis) are alarmingly high among women in prostitution.
Only 15 % of the women in the Minneapolis/St. Paul study had never
contracted one of the STDs, not including AIDS, most injurious to
health (chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrheal, herpes). General gynecological
problems, but in particular chronic pelvic pain and pelvic inflammatory
disease (PID), plague women in prostitution.. The Minneapolis/St. Paul
study reported that 31% of the women interviewed had experienced at
least one episode of PID which accounts for most of the serious illness
associated with STD infection. Among these women, there was also a high
incidence of positive pap smears, several times greater than the
Minnesota Department of Health’s cervical cancer screening program for
low and middle income women. More STD episodes can increase the risk of
cervical cancer.
Another physical effect of prostitution is unwanted pregnancy and
miscarriage. Over two-thirds of the women in the Minneapolis/St. Paul
study had an average of three pregnancies during their time in
prostitution, which they attempted to bring to term. Other health
effects include irritable bowel syndrome, as well as partial and
permanent disability.
The emotional health consequences of prostitution include severe
trauma, stress, depression, anxiety, self-medication through alcohol
and drug abuse; and eating disorders. Almost all the women in the
Minneapolis/St. Paul study categorized themselves as chemically-
addicted. Crack cocaine and alcohol were used most frequently.
Ultimately, women in prostitution are also at special risk for self-
mutilation, suicide and homicide. 46% of the women in the
Minneapolis/St. Paul study had attempted suicide, and 19% had tried to
harm themselves physically in other ways.
More succinctly, women in prostitution suffer the same broken bones,
concussions, STDs, chronic pelvic pain, and extreme stress and trauma
that women who have been battered, raped and sexually abused endure. In
fact, the case can be made that women in prostitution -- because they
are subject to being battered, raped and sexually abused all at the
same time over an extensive period of time -- suffer these health
consequences more intensively and consistently. For example, in another
survey of 55 victims/survivors of prostitution who used the services of
the Council for Prostitution Alternative in Portland, Oregon, 78% were
victims of rape by pimps and male buyers an average of 49 times a year;
84% were the victims of aggravated assault and were thus horribly
beaten, often requiring emergency room attention and hospitalization;
53% were victims of sexual abuse and torture; and 27% were mutilated
(Documentation available from the Council for Prostitution
Alternatives).
In developing countries, it has also been estimated that "70 percent of
female infertility... is caused by sexually transmitted diseases that
can be traced back to their husbands or partners (Jodi L. Jacobson, The
Other Epidemic, p. 10). Among women in rural Africa, female infertility
is widespread from husbands or partners who migrate to urban areas, buy
commercial sex, and bring home infection and sexually transmitted
diseases. Women in prostitution industries have been blamed for this
epidemic of STDs when, in reality, studies confirm that it is men who
buy sex in the process of migration who carry the disease from one
prostituted woman to another and ultimately back to their wives and
girlfriends. In what becomes a vicious cycle, infertility leads to
divorce and, in some cases, the ex-wife who is cast aside herself turns
to prostitution to survive. "The movement of abandoned or
rejected ‘barren’ women to urban prostitution has been documented in
Niger, Uganda, and the Central African Republic. Numerous studies in
Africa and Asia by the World Bank and a number of international
research organizations have found that divorced or separated women
comprise the great majority of prostitutes or ‘semi’ prostitutes’
(Jacobson, p. 13)." Thus, a major health effect of the mass male
consumption of commercial sex and the expansion of sex industries in
developing countries, is not only a rampant increase in sexually
transmitted diseases but an exponential increase in infertility. The
further effects of this vicious cycle insure that a whole new segment
of women who are abandoned by their husbands due to infertility, are
propelled into prostitution for survival.
Anti-AIDS groups have largely focused on negotiating "safe sex" by
promoting condom usage. In both developing and industrialized country
contexts, current campaigns to control the spread of HIV/AIDS by
advocating "safe sex" for women in prostitution fail to address the
blatant inequities between women who are bought for sex and the men who
pay for it. Any AIDS strategy based on negotiating condom use between
the purchaser of sex and the woman who must supply it assumes a
symmetry of power that does not even exist between women and men in
many personal consensual relationships. If AIDS programs are serious
about eradicating AIDS, they must challenge the sex industry.
Women in prostitution are targeted as the problem instead of making the
sex industry problematic and challenging the mass male consumption of
women and children in commercial sex. This is institutionalized when
governments and NGOs argue for the medicalization of prostitution when
they propose laws on prostitution which subject women to periodic
medical check-ups. It is stated that women in the sex industry would be
better protected if they submitted, or were required to submit, to
health and especially STD screening. The way in which sex industries
are responsible for the widespread health problems of women and
children is mystified with proposals to implement health checks of
women in the industry. No proposals have been forthcoming, from those
who would propose both mandatory and voluntary medical surveillance for
women in the sex industry, to medically monitor the men who would
purchase sex.
On the other hand, proposals to medicalize female genital mutilation
have been soundly rejected by women’s groups. Women’s human rights
organizations have refuted arguments that girls and women undergoing
genital cutting would be better protected from its health risks and
physical trauma if it was performed in hospitals under trained medical
supervision. Although policies and programs that medicalize female
genital mutilation may reduce some injury and infection, women’s groups
have stressed that these policies and programs do not address or end
the abuse of women’s human rights represented by the very
institutionalization of this unnecessary and mutilating surgery in a
medical context.
The same is true with current attempts to medicalize prostitution. No
action will stabilize the sex industry more than legitimating
prostitution through the health care system. If medical personnel are
called upon to monitor women in prostitution, as part of "occupational
health safety," we will have no hope of eradicating the industry.
Furthermore, from a health perspective alone, it is inconceivable that
medicalization of women in the industry will reduce infection and
injury without concomitant medicalization of the male buyers. Thus
medicalization, which is rightly viewed as a consumer protection act
for men rather than as a real protection for women, ultimately protects
neither women nor men.
As with other forms of violence against women, eradicating the health
burden of prostitution entails addressing but going beyond its health
effects. To address the health consequences of prostitution, the
international human rights community must understand that prostitution
harms women and that in addition to needing health services, women must
be provided with the economic, social and psychological means to leave
prostitution. Until prostitution is accepted as violence against women
and a violation of women’s human rights, the health consequences of
prostitution cannot be addressed adequately. Conversely, until the
health burden of prostitution is made visible, the violence of
prostitution will remain hidden.
REFERENCES
Parriott, Ruth. Health Experiences of Twin Cities Women Used in
Prostitution: Survey Findings and Recommendations. Unpublished, May
1994. Available from Breaking Free, 1821 University Ave., Suite 312,
South, St. Paul, Minnesota 55104; also available from the Coalition
Against Trafficking in Women.
Hunter, Susan Kay quoting oral testimony collected by the Council for
Prostitution Alternatives. Prostitution is Cruelty and Abuse to Women
and Children." Feminist Broadcast Quarterly, Spring 1993. Available
from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives, 519 Southwest Park
Avenue, Suite 208, Portland, Oregon 97205; also available from the
Coalition Against Trafficking in Women.
Jacobson, Jodi L. "The Other Epidemic." World Watch. May-June 1992, pp.
10-17.
Author
Janice G. Raymond is Co-Executive Director of the Coalition Against
Trafficking in Women and Professor of Women's Studies and Medical
Ethics at the University of Massachusetts, USA. She is the author of
many books and articles including A Passion for Friends: A Philosophy
of Female Affection and Women as Wombs: Reproductive Technologies and
the Battle over Women's Freedom.
Published by
The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999
Donna M. Hughes and Claire M. Roche, Editors
Donna M. Hughes, dhu...@uri.edu
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Couple Arrested in Sex Case
Girls allegedly were shuttled across bay
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, September 28, 2000
San Francisco -- Authorities broke up a sophisticated sex ring
yesterday that they said shuttled prostitutes as young as 14 every
night from Richmond to San Francisco to walk the streets or meet
customers who had made arrangements over the Internet.
Darryl D. Williams, 39, and Kathy A. Bliss, 30, of Richmond were being
held in connection with running the ring that authorities say collected
as much as $12,000 a night and was managed by threats and intimidation.
``The way (Williams) took advantage of young female victims is just
outrageous and inexcusable,'' said Marianne Barrett, a San Francisco
assistant district attorney. ``He threatened to beat them and did beat
them if they tried to leave.''
Bliss, herself an alleged prostitute, has been Williams' companion for
nine years and helped recruit women into the ring, Barrett said.
Williams was arrested yesterday morning in his Richmond neighborhood
and is being held without bail. He was indicted by a grand jury on 160
counts that include pimping and pandering, unlawful sex with a minor,
rape, aggravated assault, kidnapping, terrorist threats and false
imprisonment.
Bliss is being held on $500,000 bail after being indicted on 30 counts
of pimping and pandering. Bliss was arrested by Richmond police
yesterday afternoon.
Williams was already facing pimping charges in a San Francisco case and
had been released on $200,000 bail.
``My guy is a nice guy,'' said V. Roy Lefcourt, Williams' attorney.
``He isn't a flight risk at all, and they are making a mountain out of
a molehill.''
As many as two dozen young women were brought into the ring, said
Inspector Ken Stocker of the San Francisco police vice unit. The
prostitutes, six of whom were minors, were terrorized or cajoled into
working for Williams and Bliss, authorities said.
``One of the victims said he would just harass and torment them into
his stable,'' Barrett said.
The two allegedly housed the prostitutes in homes on Phanor Drive in
Richmond. Six or seven nights a week, they would load up their Cadillac
and Mercedes-Benz with as many as 12 prostitutes and drive into San
Francisco, Barrett said.
The prostitutes would work from 10 p.m. or midnight to 5 or 7 a.m.,
Barrett said.
``They would caravan each night, two cars, from Richmond to San
Francisco
--they had quite a schedule,'' Barrett said. ``It was virtually every
night. They would provide food, clothing, shelter, gave them spending
money, and (the women) would turn over all the proceeds (for) each
night's work, which could be as much as $800 to $1,000 per individual
prostitute.''
Police and prosecutors said the ring came to light after police spotted
a Web site used to set up meetings and went under cover to arrest
prostitutes. Williams took the site down after three women were
arrested, authorities said.
Stocker said the Web phenomenon is growing as police step up
enforcement in the Mission and other areas known for street
prostitution.
``A lot of pimps found, if they put up their pictures of girls on the
Internet, they get the calls,'' he said. ``The men are a little
concerned about the police, and it is lot easier. Run it up on the
Internet, make a phone call, and women would meet them.''
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Dancer Says Strip Club Patron Raped Her
Mitchell Bros. encouraged prostitution, suit maintains
Susan Sward, Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, February 9, 2000
SAN FRANCISCO -- An ex-dancer at San Francisco's most infamous strip
joint -- the Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theatre -- says she was raped
by a patron and that the establishment urges its dancers to perform
acts of prostitution.
In a lawsuit filed in San Francisco Superior Court, former Mitchell
Brothers dancer Kathleen Pacello alleges that Jim Mitchell, president
of the firm that owns the theater, approved building private booths in
the theater ``in part to facilitate these illegal acts of
prostitution.''
Pacello alleges in her suit against Mitchell and the theater that a
patron raped her in one of the booths Feb. 7, 1999, and that she was
fired in May after she reported to theater management that she had been
raped and complained that the booths were unsafe for the dancers
working at the club.
She argued that Mitchell's theater operates in such a way that patrons
would expect to have sex with dancers. Pacello cites theater ads that
she said tell guests -- among other things -- ``What you do on your
side of the curtain is your little secret.''
Her suit asks for unspecified damages. Pacello's lawyer, Richard Raines
of Danville, declined to talk about the case, and Pacello did not
respond to a request for comment.
Jim Mitchell's attorney, Nanci Clarence, said she believes that
Pacello's lawyer is banking on the fact that Mitchell is still on
parole for killing his brother, Artie, to try to frighten him into
making a settlement.
``This suit is a shakedown,'' she said. ``We'll fight this to the
end.''
She said that Pacello did not report the incident to the theater for
several days and that an investigation by management failed to
``corroborate her story with physical evidence.''
``There are guards within hearing distance of every one of these
booths, and no one witnessed or heard anything,'' she said.
Clarence said that when she encouraged Pacello to file a police report,
``She would say, `I am a stripper and no one would take me seriously.'
So our attempts to apprehend the assailant were somewhat stymied by her
refusal to cooperate.''
Clarence also denied that Pacello was fired in retaliation for speaking
out about her reported rape. She said the dancer worked for some months
after the incident and then left voluntarily.
San Francisco police say they have no record of a complaint by Pacello.
Her lawsuit makes it clear that it is focused on Mitchell, who with his
brother, Artie, was among the country's most successful porn purveyors
in the 1970s and '80s. Much of the brothers' money in the early days
came from movies, including the film ``Behind the Green Door.''
The brothers, who grew up in Antioch, had an increasingly stormy
relationship as they grew older. On Feb. 27, 1991, Jim Mitchell kicked
in the front door of Artie's home in Corte Madera home and fired eight
shots, killing him.
Jim Mitchell served less than three years in prison on a voluntary-
manslaughter conviction and was paroled in October 1997. His parole
will end this October.
In matter-of-fact legalese, the Pacello lawsuit describes the Mitchell
Brothers theater's shadowy interior as a place where no cameras record
what is transpiring on the couches within each private booth.
Employees ``are strongly encouraged, when they will not perform acts of
prostitution themselves, to `refer' customers asking for these illegal
acts to other employees'' who will perform such acts, the suit says.
Clarence denied the prostitution allegation, saying that members of the
Police Department's vice squad routinely drop by the club in
plainclothes ``and the dancers know they are there.'' When dancers are
hired, they are required to sign a declaration that they will not
engage in acts of prostitution and if they do that they will be fired,
she said.
Clarence said private booths -- separated from the theater's central
areas by silky curtains -- have been constructed at the Mitchell
Brothers in the past couple of years. She said most sex clubs in the
city have built similar booths.
Stage acts at the theater feature nude women performing simulated sex
with some touching. Evening customers pay a $40 admission fee and
negotiate with dancers for additional payments when dancers go in a
booth with them.
``Some patrons want a performance that caters to their own particular
fantasies -- without others watching,'' Clarence said. She also
acknowledged that the theater makes condoms, latex gloves, lubricants
and other sexual implements available for patrons ``as it has since
early in the AIDS epidemic -- as a means of encouraging safe sex
education.''
In an interview in their dressing room before their show Tuesday night,
several dancers stopped combing their hair, painting nails and applying
lipstick and eye makeup long enough to dispute Pacello's assertion that
theater management encourages prostitution.
Some also said they know there is an element of danger every time a
curtain closes and leaves them alone with a customer. But they said
their intuition protects them from dangerous situations.
A few also said that the theater represents ``the high end'' of the sex
industry and that they would not want to work elsewhere. They described
the theater as a ``place of illusions'' where customers seek everything
from cuddling to being led down the hall on a leash.
Some customers ``ask for things,'' said one dancer. ``It's up to us.''
©2000 San Francisco Chronicle Page A19
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file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/09/MN48752.DTL
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Chive Mynde
"Lush" <lush...@bigpond.net> wrote:
> Some of find top posting the most efficent way to get a message
across.
More total nonsense and netiquette abuse from resident
troll/newbie "Lush", aka a fooolish drunkard high on crack.
SOME FIND TYPING IN ALL CAPS THE MOST EFFICIEN WAY TO GET A MESSAGE
ACROSS.
Efficiency does not entail proper etiquette.
> If you can't follow the thread, go watch telly.
If you can't follow proper Usenet netiquette, then you must be a troll
and/or a newbie. You've been corrected.
Don't make the same mistake again or I will assume that are an ignorant
idiot.
news.newusers.questions
Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
Q7: Why shouldn't I put my comments above the quoted material?
A7: Keep in mind that you're not writing just for the person whose
posting you're responding to. (If you are, you should be e-mailing your
response instead of posting it.) Thousands of other people may read
what you write. People who aren't directly involved in a discussion
themselves, and who are probably following several discussions at once,
usually follow the logic more easily when they can read the material in
more-or-less chronological order.
When you have just a single question and response, and they're both
short, and the discussion doesn't develop any further, it really
doesn't make that much difference in practice. But it's impossible to
predict in advance whether a response will draw another response. So in
general, it's best to put your response below the text that you're
responding to.
For example, take our extended Gilligan's Island discussion from A6
above, and rearrange it so that everybody puts their comments before
the material that they quote:
Newsgroups: alt.tv.gilligans-island
From: GQuest Fan
Subject: Re: Gilligan's Island Theme Song
Those *poor* people.
Nit Picker wrote:
>And the Howells and Ginger were described, not named.
>
>Trivia Wiz wrote:
>>They weren't mentioned until the second season.
>>
>>Palm Guy wrote:
>>>What about Mary Ann and the Professor?
>>>
>>>Island Fan wrote:
>>>>Gilligan, Skipper, the Howells, and Ginger.
>>>>
>>>>Trivia Wiz wrote
>>>>>Who is named in the original theme song of Gilligan's
>>>>>Island?
Now it's time for a pop quiz:
Which version (the one in A5 or the one above) reads more
coherently?
Is GQuest Fan's "punch line" funnier at the top or at the
bottom? (If you've never watched Gilligan's Island, you may
skip this question.)
For extra credit: Who is "they" - Mary Ann and the Professor
or the Howells and Ginger ?
In a more realistic example, the attributions would often be longer,
the quotations longer, and there would be some mostly-blank lines
separating paragraphs. The whole message body might be longer than
would fit on one screen, making it harder to match quotes to
attributions, and responses with questions or other antecedents.
(Many thanks to Denis McKeon for this example.)
Q8: When I start composing a response, my news-posting software always
puts the insertion point above the quoted material. Doesn't that mean
that "top posting" is the normal thing to do?
A8: Not necessarily. Some people theorize that the designers of such
software aren't very familiar with newsgroups and the conventions that
have developed in them. Another possible explanation is that many
programs use the same modules for composing e-mail and newsgroup
messages, and sometimes when you're responding to an e-mail message, it
may make sense to append the entire original message to the end. (The
recipient may not have filed a copy of his/her original message, or it
may not be as easy to get to as with a preceding newsgroup message.)
With such software, a good strategy is to scroll downward, deleting
excess text as you go. When you reach something that you want to
comment on, put the insertion point after it and put your response (to
that point) there.
Q9: But if I put my comments after the quoted text, won't people have
to scroll all the way to the bottom to read them?
A9: If you delete unnecessary quoted text, they shouldn't have to go
far, not even a screenful. If you're responding to more than one point,
you should intersperse your comments among sections of quoted text, in
point-counterpoint style. Put a blank line between each section, to
help the reader distinguish them.
Besides, if you put your comments at the top, many people are going to
scroll all the way to the bottom anyway, wondering whether you have
anything more to say!
Q10: Shouldn't we be paying attention to what a person says, rather
than the cosmetic details of how it's said?
A10: In newsgroups, as well as in real life, people form judgments
about others, consciously or unconsciously, based on their appearance.
In newsgroups, your words are the only "visible" evidence that people
can judge you by. Spelling, grammar and formatting all contribute to
people's impressions of you, and have at least some influence on how
seriously other people will take you.
Also, these considerations don't affect just the cosmetic appearance of
what you write. They also affect how easy it is for people to read it,
and understand the points that you're trying to make. In general,
people don't like to be slowed down by scrolling through unnecessary
material, or by having to stop and re-construct the logical sequence.
It's good to organize and edit quoted words logically, for the same
reason that it's good to organize and edit your own words logically.
It basically comes down to a question of etiquette, if you view the
fundamental principle of etiquette as "Thou shalt not make life
unnecessarily difficult for other people," and factor in the number of
people who may read your postings.
Q11: Who made these rules, anyway? Who enforces them?
A11: Nobody in particular made these "rules". They developed over the
years, based on the experience of people who use newsgroups a lot, and
who like to be able to read and participate in many discussions
efficiently. Nobody really "enforces" them, in the sense that nobody
can deny your posting privileges for violating them. (An exception
might be if a newsgroup is moderated, and the group requires a
particular quoting style.) The only sense in which they can
be "enforced" is by peer pressure: that is, your readers may complain
to you about your quoting style.
In some newsgroups, if you quote the entire previous posting and put
your comments above it, people are likely to "flame" you for "top
posting" or posting "Jeopardy style" (after the U.S. TV game show in
which contestants first see an answer and then have to come up with the
corresponding question). This is more likely in groups that have a high
concentration of long-time newsgroup users. They're not really doing
this as a "power trip" (at least not usually); they're genuinely
irritated at what they see as the waste of network and human resources
that such postings entail.
In other newsgroups, you don't see much visible acrimony about "top
posting," but that doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't matter.
People may simply be more polite in those groups. After all, most
people agree that it's a Good Thing to use correct spelling and
grammar, but they also agree that it's usually in bad taste to correct
mistakes publicly. Therefore, we recommend that you use the "standard"
quoting style described here unless you have clear evidence that people
in a particular newsgroup actively prefer another style; for example if
an FAQ mentions it, or if more people actually complain about "bottom
posting" than about "top posting."
news.newusers.questions
Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
http://www.ptialaska.net/~kmorgan/nquote.html#Q7
"Always reply to a post at the 'BOTTOM' of the original! Other readers
can then read down the original before coming to your reply. Top
posting can get very confusing, especially if there are a lot of
messages in the thread. At the very least, it is going to require some
serious cut and pasting to get everything reading properly.
You will find the people on the network helpful and friendly if you can
just follow these simple guidelines."
Usenet Netiquette
http://www.coopshouse.freeserve.co.uk/assnfaq/assnnetiquette.htm
"Email and Usenet news are typically used for modern, often almost real-
time exchanges which can closely resemble a verbal discussion rather
than a correspondence by snailmail where the time between the letters
is days or weeks. In a good discussion one interacts, rather than keeps
up separate monologues. Thus it is very natural to quote a point,
respond, quote the second point, respond and so forth."
Adapted from an advisory posting by Bob Gootee: Answering above the the
original message is called top posting. Sometimes also called the
Jeopardy style. Usenet is Q & A not A & Q.
Of proper quoting
http://www.uwasa.fi/~ts/http/quote.html
Top-Posters
And Why They Are Morons
There are a large group of people using the Internet who seem to insist
on a rather peculiar practice. When they reply to a Usenet post or a
personal email they insert their written contribution above the
original text. Why is this peculiar? Because the Internet is probably
the only medium where they would adopt such a practice, yet they seem
to be oblivious to its inanity. I have been involved in a flame war or
two about the various "merits" of top-posting and tried to see the
subject from both sides, and I have come to a conclusion: People Who
Top-Post Are Morons.[*]
I guess I should explain my reasoning in more detail.
I have already mentioned that the Internet is the only medium where
people seem happy to quote the original material after they have
replied to it. This is not strictly true. There are occasions where a
reasonable person would do such a thing in Real Life. Someone may want
to summarise the written material in a short paragraph beforehand, so
that others won't feel a need to read the entire article if it is not
in their interst. Perhaps the whole article is nonsense, and the
reader is adding a comment to that effect. Either way, it is not what
the Internet user is trying to communicate, so it makes no sense from
this point of view to top-post.
It is standard practice in English to read from left-to-right and top-
to-bottom, so why does the Internet change this? It doesn't. It is
much easier to read posts or emails that follow this convention.
Although top-posting arguably doesn't abandon this practice, the whole
post does not scan at all well if the reader has to remind himself what
has been written beforehand, by reading from the middle of the post to
the bottom, then from the top to the middle. That is simply
ridiculous, and made worse if there is more than one previous post that
is quoted. It makes much more sense to start at the top and work to
the bottom of the post, from start to finish.
There are those who say that the text being replied to is of little
consequence to what is being written, and is just quoted for
completeness. To that I say don't quote the text, dumb-arse. If it
serves no useful purpose it becomes a distraction. Also, how could I
be sure, apart from believing the poster to be a clueless fool, that
there is no original text beyond the mess of quoted text, occasionally
several messaages long?[**] I either accept that the poster is entirely
clueless, or I scroll to the end to make sure. Which brings me to my
next point.
Many people also argue that top-posting removes some of the hassle of
having to scroll down already-read material to get to something new.
Wow, that must be tough. Scrolling -- one of the hidden dangers of the
Internet. This is not exactly a non-issue, as it can be a pain to
scroll through several paragraphs of text just to read a single line
that, quite frankly, wasn't worth the effort. However, this is caused
by another set of idiots who do not realise that their keyboard comes
complete with a "delete" key. With just a few modest applications of
this sometimes underused key the amount of text to scroll down can be
removed with ease! And! at the same time the required amount of
context can be retained. Just think about it -- if people deleted the
unnecessary text from their messages not only is the amount of context
appropriate but it also means an end to unwarranted scrolling! Bang!
Gone are the arguments for top-posting. All that needs to happen is
for some people to GET A CLUE!
It isn't entirely this simple, as there are many people who would blame
the software they run for quoting the previous message below the
cursor. This may be hard to believe, but there is other software
available that doesn't do that, and is probably a lot better than the
crappy software that causes this situation. See here for a couple of
examples that are free and easy to use. If you top-post because of
your software and are unable to install some different software for
whatever reason, try hitting Crtl-End before you start typing. And if
you would then only complain that you signature appears in the wrong
place, and you are too lazy or too busy to reformat your messages,
rather than hitting Ctrl-End as you begin, hit Shift-Ctrl-End Delete
when you finish (if you cannot set the Options so that the previous
message isn't quoted).
What it comes down to is that most of the denizens of the Internet who
have been using it for a lot longer than just about anyone else not
only prefer either bottom posting (where the reply is posted after the
original message, deleting any irrelevant text) or interleaved posting
(where the reply is split between several sections of the original post
as it responds to individual points, also deleting irrelevant text),
but a fair few will go out of their way to educate an apparently
ignorant person as to their netiquette-ignoring use of top-posting.
Remember, an ignorant person can be educated, a stupid person remains
stupid. However, if someone refuses to adopt the accepted principles
of Usenet, that person will most likely be ignored, or even flamed.
As I have already written, I have been involved in trying to point out
that top-posting can be quite unreadable and does not help a poster's
credibility. Many people seem either not to believe this or do not
care. They seem to think that because they are connected to the
Internet they know just as much about it and how to use it as someone
who has been connected one way or another since the early-80s. It is
that sort of laughable nonsense that hurts their credibility, and it
can quickly degrade other people's impression of them to the point of
ignoring anything they write. This may seem harsh, but there are many
thousands of people writing to Usenet, with a fair proportion having
something meaningful to add. Most people are generally looking for a
way to separate the wheat from the chaff, and if it means ignoring some
fool who doesn't format his posts correctly, so be it.
One of the newsgroups that I read had a large influx of new posters
(cf. The September That Never Ended) and most of them top-posted (some
of them not even leaving a line between their post and the attributions
for the quoted post). The entire group became unreadable so, against
my normal judgement, I tried to educate these people. It did not work,
and I have since left the group. During the last few weeks on the
group I developed quite an aversion to top-posted messages, mostly
because the subject matter, written style and internal intelligence
were all disgracefully low. My decision to leave the group was because
it got to a point where 90% of posts were top-posted and my brain just
could not force itself to read them. This attitude has followed
through to all of the other newsgroups to the point where my natural
reaction is not to read a top-posted message. It is an effort to do
so. I now gauge the level of intelligence of a newsgroup by how many
messages are top-posted. If there are many, it is not worth reading.
I would like anyone out there who top-posts who reads this to stop and
ask themselves why they do it. If there is not good reason that I have
not dismissed, I would urge you to change your habit. You will be
taken more seriously by other users of the Internet and will be more
welcome in many more places. Otherwise, you will remain a fool.
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*Yes, I realise that I know some people who do this, but that doesn't
change the fact that it is considered to be an inappropriate practice
utilised by the ignorant masses. And if you think that I am insulting
you on this matter, bite me. Return
**On one of the newsgroups that I used to frequent I devised a way to
troll the idiots who insisted on top-posting their moronic comments. I
would post a similarly inane remark that was as worthy of attention as
their own post -- top-posted -- and then scroll to the end of the post,
where they would not think of looking, and write whatever I wanted. I
don't know how effective it was, as I could not be sure if any of my
peers would scroll to the end of the post, but I thought it was good.
Top-Posters And Why They Are Morons
http://www.btinternet.com/~chiba/sbox/topposters.html
Rhyanon
Do Not Spam.
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> problem. We have a mobile rural population of 120 million people who
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>
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Dumbass.
C.V. Compton Shaw
Prostitutes should have the same rights and responsibilities as other workers
including social security, health care, and retirement benefits. Political
and/or religious oppression of individuals sexual activity, as long as it is
consensual and as long as it involves adults, should not be outlawed as to do
so serves no benefit to the general welfare. Rather by doing so, you
significantly infringe upon the personal freedom and rights of individuals to
contract, satisfy their natural sexual wants and needs, promulgate the spread
of sexually transmittable disease because prostitution is not regulated,
encourage individuals to marry and/or form personal relationships based upon
sex alone, encourage real crimes because of oppressive anti prostitution and
related anti-sex laws, and basically impose the oppressive and injustice
political and/or religious dogma on individuals that they are not rational
individuals who have the right to satisfy their personal needs and want if
they do not harm other individuals.
Lush
Get over it.
Lush
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Chive Mynde <chyve...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Mortality
Chive Mynde <chyve...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <m4X06.29841$xW4.2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> "Lush" <lush...@bigpond.net> wrote:
> > Some of find top posting the most efficent way to get a message
> across.
>
> More total nonsense and netiquette abuse from resident
> troll/newbie "Lush", aka a fooolish drunkard high on crack.
>
> SOME FIND TYPING IN ALL CAPS THE MOST EFFICIEN WAY TO GET A MESSAGE
> ACROSS.
>
> Efficiency does not entail proper etiquette.
>
> > If you can't follow the thread, go watch telly.
>
> If you can't follow proper Usenet netiquette, then you must be a troll
> and/or a newbie. You've been corrected.
Crossposting useless drivel is a breach of UseNet netiquette. You must
be a troll or a newbie. You have been corrected.
This is not alt.prostitute.drug.china.hiv. You have the wrong
newsgroup.
>
> Don't make the same mistake again or I will assume that are an
ignorant
> idiot.
As opposed to all of us who know that you are an ignorant idiot. You
know what happens when you assume!
>
> news.newusers.questions
> Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings
> <snip some banality written by someone too stupid to remember what
has already been said once or a MILLION times.>
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not dead, yet not quite living either.
Chive Mynde
"C.V. Compton Shaw" <mis...@swbell.net> wrote:
> Prostitution should be legalized, controlled, regulated, and taxed.
No, it should not.
http://www.timesofindia.com/today/22mdel7.htm
REFERENCES
Author
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Charles Fiterman
Chive Mynde wrote:
> In article <3A480011...@swbell.net>,
> "C.V. Compton Shaw" <mis...@swbell.net> wrote:
> > Prostitution should be legalized, controlled, regulated, and taxed.
>
> No, it should not.
>
> "[When] prostitution is recognized as "sex work," legalization follows;
> pimps, sex industry cartels, and sex businesses openly
> flourish, regulated only by the demands of the marketplace. [When]
> prostitution is legitimized as sex work, men and boys are sent the
> message that purchasing the body of a woman or girl for sex is no
> different from buying a pack of cigarettes. With no social stigma
> attached to buying prostitutes, the demand for prostitution escalates.
> At the same time, women and girls internalize the message that the
> female body is a marketable commodity. Girls begin to see prostitution
> as a career option, unaware that sex work is a trap that will deprive
> them of control over their lives. [When] prostitution is
> legitimized as sex work, the values and dynamics of prostitution spill
> over into other areas of society, influencing the valuation and
> treatment of women and girls and lowering their status."
> The Coalition Against Trafficking in Women, February 1999
> Donna M. Hughes and Claire M. Roche, Editors
> Donna M. Hughes, dhu...@uri.edu
> http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes
> http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/catw/mhvslave.htm
So lets see if I understand your argument, you think prostitution is wrong
and want it illegal so other people will agree with you. Oddly they don't
agree with you now and it is illegal. But you think this sufficient to
justify all the disastrous effects of those laws.
Have you considered taking a logic course.
> The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and
> childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports
> and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada
> psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women,
> work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see
> also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992,
> International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los
> Angeles, CA)
Now here is an argument I understand. You say prostitutes were abused as
children and you want to recruit the police to further abuse them as adults.
Obviously you worship some sort of devil or blood god that gets off on
cruelty and you want to give it human sacrifices. Thank random chance I'm an
atheist.
A large percentage of child abusers are priests of various religions and I
bet you belong to one and want them to have child prostitutes to abuse.
Beware, that devil you worship may not reward you quite the way you expect.
Lush
> be a troll or a newbie. You have been corrected.
>
> This is not alt.prostitute.drug.china.hiv. You have the wrong
> newsgroup.
Read it and weep, Chivesy
hehehehe
Lush
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Lush
You're such a psycho, dude
LOL
Lush
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