Soundwave is gay (Was: Homosexual Transformers)
Brent David Stocking
Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see any
female Decepticons around?
Hmmmm...
-brent, inanity reigns...
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Itinerant CS major \ in the cantaloupe near the antelope's interloper."
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Jacob Hurtado
Soundwave aint gay. That's all I have to say about THAT subject. No discussion is
needed.
Brent David Stocking wrote:
>
> Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see any
> female Decepticons around?
>
> Hmmmm...
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+Scrapper: Then it's time we did the same, only heavier! +
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Jesse Hughes
Brent David Stocking wrote:
>
> Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see any
> female Decepticons around?
annoying son from?!?!?
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Lewis M. Brooks, III
> Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see any
> female Decepticons around?
It's been nice knowing you. I reccomend you retreat while there is still time.
Lewis
Joona I Palaste
Jacob Hurtado (Jac...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Soundwave aint gay. That's all I have to say about THAT subject. No discussion is
: needed.
: Brent David Stocking wrote:
: >
: > Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see any
: > female Decepticons around?
: >
: > Hmmmm...
Some of the "kids" were non-humanoid, suggesting that Soundwave engaged
in zoogamy, or "bestiality" to the layman... =)
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: + --"Heavy Metal War" +
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Denise Mackenstadt
In <587cf5$b...@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> pal...@cc.Helsinki.FI (Joona I
Palaste) writes:
>
>Jacob Hurtado (Jac...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>: Soundwave aint gay. That's all I have to say about THAT subject.
No discussion is
>: needed.
>
>: Brent David Stocking wrote:
>: >
>: > Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see
any
>: > female Decepticons around?
>: >
>: > Hmmmm...
>
have Rumble and Frenzy (The two biggest badasses on Cybertron) come and
pummel your ass to the ground. So lets respect Soundwave, besides
Rumble and Frenzy can get angry when someone makes fun of Soundwave.
Also Soundwave is one of the only original Decepticons to survive the
movie , so he is way cool. Now Brawn is gay (Just joking I wanted see
a reaction.)
Eric,
"Megatron is strong, he can never be destroyed."--- Rumble
Jacob Hurtado
Denise Mackenstadt wrote:
>
> In <587cf5$b...@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> pal...@cc.Helsinki.FI (Joona I
> Palaste) writes:
> >
> >Jacob Hurtado (Jac...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
> >: Soundwave aint gay. That's all I have to say about THAT subject.
> No discussion is
> >: needed.
> >
> Soundwave is not gay. If you still disagree with me Soundwave will
> have Rumble and Frenzy (The two biggest badasses on Cybertron) come and
> pummel your ass to the ground. So lets respect Soundwave, besides
> Rumble and Frenzy can get angry when someone makes fun of Soundwave.
> Also Soundwave is one of the only original Decepticons to survive the
> movie , so he is way cool.
Exactly my sentiments. No way that someone with as much badassitude as Soundwave could
ever be on the other team.
>Now Brawn is gay (Just joking I wanted see
> a reaction.)
>
> "Megatron is strong, he can never be destroyed."--- Rumble
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+Scrapper: Then it's time we did the same, only heavier! +
+ --"Heavy Metal War" +
+Jake Hurtado Jac...@worldnet.att.net+
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Playground Psychotic
> > Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see any
> > female Decepticons around?
Funny how Soundwave and Nightracer avoid each other...
P_P
Daoinne Sidhe
On 4 Dec 1996, Brent David Stocking wrote:
>
> Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see any
> female Decepticons around?
>
> Hmmmm...
>
> -brent, inanity reigns...
> --
WEll, I was always of the opinion, and feel free to laugh at my
hallucination, cause well, its mine and I can say what I wanna.
I always thought sounders was a femme in disguise.. Just see if she could
stay hidded for all that time.. Just a thought.
ME.
Brent David Stocking
Feel free to laugh, huh? Ha ha! Go back to your waffles.
-brent, inside joking. Shnork.
Daoinne Sidhe
>
> Feel free to laugh, huh? Ha ha! Go back to your waffles.
>
> -brent, inside joking. Shnork.
> --
more waffle goddess for me. Anyways. That is, in all seriousness, my
opinion. As for this whole thread. Lighten up people. Dont always take
things as direct personal attacks on others unless your *name* was
mentioned in the post. Everyone is intitles to an opinion. However odd it
may seem to others. <NOT AN ATTACK ON ANYONE>....
Whoever it was that mentiond Shocks being a closet case. Funny, I
like. To the originator of the whole thread...Glad someone else thinks
the same things I did when I wsa a kid.. like 10 or 11.. before society
tried to tell me these things were wrong. To the rest of you, read on,
enjoy the hobby/obbsession we all share and Walk with the winds.
Fare thee well, Me.
AKA: Arachnae<2k5>, Soundwave<TF2> and others only inthe safty of *my*
hallucinations....
Brent David Stocking
In a previous article, gsi05819@Arcadia (Daoinne Sidhe) says:
> Ya ya.. LAugh it up you freak. BEsides. I dont work there no more. No
>more waffle goddess for me.
Aww, you'll always be the waffle whatsit. Until I get tired of it,
anyway. ;>
>As for this whole thread. Lighten up people. Dont always take
>things as direct personal attacks on others unless your *name* was
>mentioned in the post. Everyone is intitles to an opinion. However odd it
>may seem to others. <NOT AN ATTACK ON ANYONE>....
What she said. Although I don't think any levelheaded person
could/would/should take this thread seriously anyway.
-brent, originator of this thread what originated it for amusement's sake
(okay, okay, and maybe to vaguely irritate Raksha :>)...
Raksha
In article <32A583...@worldnet.att.net>,
Jacob Hurtado <Jac...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Soundwave aint gay. That's all I have to say about THAT subject. No discussi
on is
>needed.
Quite right. Not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but Soundwave
doesn't strike me as the type ... in fact, he's confident enough in himself, as
a fully complete individual who has far more important things to occupy his
time, that he doesn't seem like he'd be out desperately scouring the bushes
for a mate, whether male *or* female.
There is the question of his creations, of course. My own take on it is
that Soundwave gave most of them life entirely on his own -- in the same way
Grimlock gave the Technobots life in "Grimlock's New Brain." It's an ability
that only a very small number of Transformers have, as it takes an exceptional
degree of emotional balance and mental aptitude. And Soundwave certainly has
those qualities in abundance.
--Raksha
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In article <58j2n5$f...@infoserver.bgsu.edu>,
Brent David Stocking <bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>-brent, originator of this thread what originated it for amusement's sake
>(okay, okay, and maybe to vaguely irritate Raksha :>)...
As though you didn't do enough of that on 2005 ... may it rot in Hades.....
Brent David Stocking
In a previous article, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) says:
>In article <58j2n5$f...@infoserver.bgsu.edu>,
>Brent David Stocking <bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>>-brent, originator of this thread what originated it for amusement's sake
>>(okay, okay, and maybe to vaguely irritate Raksha :>)...
>
>As though you didn't do enough of that on 2005 ... may it rot in Hades.....
>
> --Raksha
Hehe. Didja hear I took over for ya as the indigo tel'path? Yup, he's
back to his good old certifiably evil self again. Mmm, blackmail.
-brent, uprooting SNADism in the virtual arena. Just for fun. :>
Daniel J. Stevans
Playground Psychotic (tenor...@psnw.com) wrote:
: > > Well, think about it. He had all these kids, and did you ever see any
: > > female Decepticons around?
: Funny how Soundwave and Nightracer avoid each other...
<ROFL> |-D
Gives new meaning to the term "lube job"
-Dan
Robert A. Jung
In article <58n4p0$9...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) writes:
>In article <32A583...@worldnet.att.net>, Jacob Hurtado <Jac...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>Soundwave aint gay. That's all I have to say about THAT subject.
>
>a fully complete individual who has far more important things to occupy his
>time, that he doesn't seem like he'd be out desperately scouring the bushes
>for a mate, whether male *or* female.
That rather implies that anyone looking for a mate "must be" insecure and
desperate. And while that may be true for some people, it isn't always the
case. For most folks, seeking a mate is no different than seeking a friend...
--R.J.
B-)
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Neale Davidson
Robert A. Jung wrote:
<Sienfeld>
> Soundwave aint gay. That's all I have to say about THAT subject.
>> Quite right. Not that there's anything wrong with being gay, but
>> Soundwave doesn't strike me as the type...
</Sienfeld>
Despite popular belief, there isn't a set 'type' to being gay. I've a
number of gay friends, and they range the gamut from flamers to 'macho'
types. (And no, I'm not gay myself.) A human with Soundwave's, or any
other Transformer's, personality can still be homosexual.
As for Transformers and sexuality, isn't it safe to say that they're
basically not sexual creatures? Since sexuality is a controller on
reproduction in nature, why would any form of it exist when Transformer
reproduction is already so controlled?
As for the occaisional reference... see what 20 years of being around
humans will do to you? :)
>> In fact, he's confident enough in himself, as a fully complete
>> individual who has far more important things to occupy his time,
>> that he doesn't seem like he'd be out desperately scouring the bushes
>> for a mate, whether male *or* female.
A 'mate' is merely a companion that you devote your life to, usually
out of a sexual coupling. And generally, I've never seen a 'mating' work
solely out of desparation. Those usually die quickly. A mate, to me,
is someone who shares your feelings and thoughts to a very deep and
intense degree.
> That rather implies that anyone looking for a mate "must be" insecure
> and desperate. And while that may be true for some people, it isn't
> always the case. For most folks, seeking a mate is no different than
> seeking a friend...
:) We're friends, Rob, but I don't want to be considered your mate... :)
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tetra
Brent is your real name eh? Methinx me shalt remember that. (no pun
intended). As far as I'm concerned, and several other 2K5 MUSHers are
concerned, Raksha will always be the best and only Soundwave around.
PERIOD. Sometimes I wonder if any of the admin there realize how much she
is missed or how much she added to our MUSH lives, whether IC or OOC. I
never really saw Raksha protraying Soundwave as a SNAD (sensitive new age
decepticon, for those who don't know). Now if you want a real SNAD, pick
on Backtrack. ;) hehehe. Just call me evil. - Addy
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Brent David Stocking
In a previous article, te...@eskimo.com (tetra) says:
>Brent is your real name eh? Methinx me shalt remember that.
Yup. 1 n, 1 t, not 0 and 2. There'll be a quiz on it later.
>(no pun
>intended).
No pun even remotely recognized, but 'ey.
>As far as I'm concerned, and several other 2K5 MUSHers are
>concerned, Raksha will always be the best and only Soundwave around.
Best? I'll agree witcha there. Never let it be said that she didn't RP
a damn good Soundwave. She had some rather... unique qualities that made
her rather convincing ICly.
Only? Dumb. By the way, when didjer nab that voice-of-the-people
position? Just askin'. :>
>I
>never really saw Raksha protraying Soundwave as a SNAD (sensitive new age
>decepticon, for those who don't know).
Actually, I was angling more for the OOC thing.
>Now if you want a real SNAD, pick
>on Backtrack. ;) hehehe. Just call me evil. - Addy
Nah, I leave single parents alone. (Hey, I have some standards of
decency. Don't look THAT surprised. :>)
-brent, don't mind us. Ya kinda have to be/have been there.
Ivy Bohnlein
Brent David Stocking (bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu) wrote:
: In a previous article, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) says:
: >In article <58j2n5$f...@infoserver.bgsu.edu>,
: >Brent David Stocking <bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
: >>-brent, originator of this thread what originated it for amusement's sake
: >>(okay, okay, and maybe to vaguely irritate Raksha :>)...
: >
: >As though you didn't do enough of that on 2005 ... may it rot in Hades.....
: >
: > --Raksha
: Hehe. Didja hear I took over for ya as the indigo tel'path? Yup, he's
: back to his good old certifiably evil self again. Mmm, blackmail.
: -brent, uprooting SNADism in the virtual arena. Just for fun. :>
Brent, you are a certifiable lunatic but I love you for it. Now stop
taunting. :)
Whiz@TF2k5, enforcer of Theme and evidently rotting in Hades.
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My fingers twist in a fist behind your back
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In article <58n50j$9...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) writes:
> In article <58j2n5$f...@infoserver.bgsu.edu>,
> Brent David Stocking <bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>>-brent, originator of this thread what originated it for amusement's sake
>>(okay, okay, and maybe to vaguely irritate Raksha :>)...
>
> As though you didn't do enough of that on 2005 ... may it rot in Hades.....
>
> --Raksha
>
And THAT'S not trolling at all....
Shockwave
jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) wrote:
>
>
> In article <32A583...@worldnet.att.net>,
> Jacob Hurtado <Jac...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> on is
> >needed.
>
> a fully complete individual who has far more important things to occupy his
> time, that he doesn't seem like he'd be out desperately scouring the bushes
> for a mate, whether male *or* female.
> that Soundwave gave most of them life entirely on his own -- in the same way
> Grimlock gave the Technobots life in "Grimlock's New Brain." It's an ability
> that only a very small number of Transformers have, as it takes an exceptional
> degree of emotional balance and mental aptitude. And Soundwave certainly has
> those qualities in abundance.
> --Raksha
>
>
>
Hmmm and look who i get stuck with as dad at Tf2 Shockwave.Talk about
over protective parents. 8P
Shockwave dalnet #transformers
Daredevil @tf2 mud.wa.net:1996
Blitzwing @2k5
Robert A. Jung
In article <58r7rk$p...@news.asu.edu> bohn...@acmelabs.uhc.asu.edu (Ivy Bohnlein) writes:
>Brent David Stocking (bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu) wrote:
>>In a previous article, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) says:
>>
>>back to his good old certifiably evil self again. Mmm, blackmail.
>
>taunting. :)
Oh, let him -- I haven't seen Raksha vivisect anyone in a few weeks, I could
use the entertainment. B-)
Brent David Stocking
In a previous article, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) says:
>
>Your comments show me just exactly how much you know about Soundwave.
>Absolutely nothing. Soundwave is neither evil nor a blackmailer. Watch the
>show sometime, if your memory is so poor.
>
Actually, I read Soundwave's entry in the Transformers:Universe book.
Which is technically just as canonically convenient as the 'toon. (Yeah,
I know, 'drivel'. But hey, implying volumes into a half-hour TV
advertisement isn't exactly defensible either. :>) Anyhoo, I personally
just chalk it up to aesthetics.
>
>Seeing as Theme staffers have no power to enforce any decisions, I'm not the
>least bit surprised.....
>
Well, the ones with flagrant factional biases, anyway.
-brent, that one guy you saw that one time over at that one place.
Raksha
In article <58r7rk$p...@news.asu.edu>,
Ivy Bohnlein <bohn...@acmelabs.uhc.asu.edu> wrote:
>Brent David Stocking (bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu) wrote:
>: >In article <58j2n5$f...@infoserver.bgsu.edu>,
>: >Brent David Stocking <bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>: >>-brent, originator of this thread what originated it for amusement's sake
>: >>(okay, okay, and maybe to vaguely irritate Raksha :>)...
>: >As though you didn't do enough of that on 2005 ... may it rot in Hades.....
>: >
>
>: Hehe. Didja hear I took over for ya as the indigo tel'path? Yup, he's
>: back to his good old certifiably evil self again. Mmm, blackmail.
Your comments show me just exactly how much you know about Soundwave.
Absolutely nothing. Soundwave is neither evil nor a blackmailer. Watch the
show sometime, if your memory is so poor.
>Brent, you are a certifiable lunatic but I love you for it.
I'll just bet you do. Stuff like this is perhaps amusing when coming from a
*friend*, as playful teasing, but not when coming from people like you, where
the malice is overwhelmingly obvious.
>Whiz@TF2k5, enforcer of Theme and evidently rotting in Hades.
Seeing as Theme staffers have no power to enforce any decisions, I'm not the
least bit surprised.....
--Raksha
Raksha
First of all, my apologies to everyone else for this thread -- though I point
out that *I* didn't start it; maybe I should have just taken it to e-mail, but
I was goaded in public, so I will respond here. I realize it may make little
sense to anyone who wasn't there, so you'd be best advised just to skip it now
and go on to the next post -- but the people I'm responding to, and about, are
the ones who returned a year and a half of my dedication to 2005 Mush with
multiple kicks in the teeth and personal betrayals, and my loathing of them
exceeds even my feelings for Hasbro and the BW Pretender to the Name. I never
forget a friend -- and I damn sure never forget an enemy.
In article <5902rv$o...@infoserver.bgsu.edu>,
Brent David Stocking <bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>In a previous article, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) says:
>>Your comments show me just exactly how much you know about Soundwave.
>>Absolutely nothing. Soundwave is neither evil nor a blackmailer. Watch the
>>show sometime, if your memory is so poor.
>
>Actually, I read Soundwave's entry in the Transformers:Universe book.
Which is pure garbage. He was never portrayed that way in the show, *or* in
the comic. Besides, which is more pleasant for other players to interact with
-- someone you can absolutely trust and count on (if you're a fellow
Decepticon, of course), or someone you constantly have to watch your back from?
But of course you don't care about little considerations like that, since it's
"only" the Decepticon faction, after all, and they're "supposed" to be
backstabbers among one another ... ah, good old 2005 policy, you never entirely
forget the slimey feeling it leaves you with....
>Which is technically just as canonically convenient as the 'toon. (Yeah,
>I know, 'drivel'. But hey, implying volumes into a half-hour TV
>advertisement isn't exactly defensible either. :>)
Actually -- and I realize that the ideals we started 2005 Mush with have long
been sold up the river, so it may no longer apply -- but you'll recall that the
theme of the place was distinctly set in the cartoon universe. Sad, really,
how a place that started out with the expressed purpose of allowing equal
respect to *everyone*, regardless of faction, regardless of OC or FC status,
should have turned into the 'Bot-n-Human Show, with everyone else relegated to
second-class status.....
It's people like you who were the reason I wanted to kill Soundwave off
when I left -- people who have no understanding of the character, obviously no
affection for him (or else you wouldn't put such dedication into representing
him in a derrogatory manner), who bounce indiscriminately from one character to
another anyway and view them all through a warped pro-Autobot lens. Soundwave,
at the very least, deserved better.
But by all means go and portray him in your skewed way ... you're just
following a 12-year tradition started by the toy box tech specs, after all.
Don't let a little thing like faction unity and the eventual, likely
instability of the entire Mush get in your way ... *I* certainly don't care
about 2005's eventual, inevitable fate, but I'll be the first to cheer when it
falls completely apart -- regardless of how long it takes.....
>>Seeing as Theme staffers have no power to enforce any decisions, I'm not the
>>least bit surprised.....
>
>Well, the ones with flagrant factional biases, anyway.
Flagrant factional biases? Look who's talking. It's people like you and
certain of your loathsome admin cronies who have tried from the beginning to
force the Decepticons on 2005 to portray themselves from the Autobot viewpoint
in order to maintain the high-and-holy Hasbro-given status quo, because in
their closed little minds they couldn't handle the concept of a Decepticon
viewpoint being as valid as any other. Which resulted in those flagrant
factional biases you speak of -- *against* the Decepticons.
Your basic lack of respect for Decepticon characters was evident right
from the beginning, when you went behind my back and messed up the stats on a
character I'd donated to the Mush -- not a character I'd *created for* the
Mush, mind you, but a pre-existing character of my own whom I'd allowed to be
used because he was needed -- and you had absolutely no right to change his
stats (*mental* stats, no less, which made him a completely different
character!), without asking me. And this was only one of an ongoing number of
such incidents. It's an attitude I assign not only to you, but to the vast
majority of the higher-ups at 2005 -- an attitude that I had to fight off again
and again for the Decepticons and their players to be given some little bit of
consideration and dignity. And this against my so-called "friends."
To anyone who's considering taking a character there -- especially a 'Con
character, and *especially* if you have a true fondness for the character --
I'm here to tell you, this is what you're facing. Proceed at your own risk....
--Raksha
(if you post something specifically
to make me angry, don't be surprised
if you do, in fact, succeed....)
Trent Troop
> Your comments show me just exactly how much you know about Soundwave.
> Absolutely nothing. Soundwave is neither evil nor a blackmailer. Watch the
> show sometime, if your memory is so poor.
I agree that SW isn't a blackmailer (he might have been in the comics... I donno,
only read a few, but then again... In the comics Rodimus never even touched the
matrix when prime died... buncha slag) A spy and esponage agent, perhaps, but no
blackmailer.
As for soundwave not being evil... I have to disagree. Soundwave is evil, and evil
in a bad wave. He's not maniacal, or filled with anger or hate... but he's evil
still. He may not actively hunt or destroy anyone, but get in his way and he'll
crush you, no second thoughts, no regret, no joy, pure business. The most dangerous
kind of evil there is. Just my observations of him, take with grain of salt.
-Trent
Brent David Stocking
In a previous article, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) says:
>First of all, my apologies to everyone else for this thread -- though I point
>out that *I* didn't start it; maybe I should have just taken it to e-mail, but
>I was goaded in public, so I will respond here.
Yeah, it was little ol' me who started it. *wave* But, y'know, keepin'
with the self-justifying theme, it takes two to tango, ma'am.
>I realize it may make little
>sense to anyone who wasn't there, so you'd be best advised just to skip it now
>and go on to the next post
I'd agree. This is longish.
Emphasis on longish.
> -- but the people I'm responding to,
Vague aside, I haven't actually worked for the place for a good 2-3
months. So, don't look at me as any sorta official word on this whole
matter. Butcha can if you want, although you'd be just as well served by
consulting Pat Paulsen on official American domestic and foriegn policy.
>and about, are
>the ones who returned a year and a half of my dedication
...and the tag-along persecution complex...
>to 2005 Mush with
>multiple kicks in the teeth
Two kicks? Three kicks? Four kicks? What size foot?
>and personal betrayals,
Huh. Well, when the zealot can't convert the faithless heathens, I guess
they do take it a tad personally. Although I'm not sure where the
betrayal part comes in, 'cause I can't say I ever really agreed with you
in the first place.
>and my loathing of them
>exceeds even my feelings for Hasbro and the BW Pretender to the Name.
Ooo. Lower than zee capitalist bastard toy companies. Owie.
>I never
>forget a friend -- and I damn sure never forget an enemy.
Hmmm. Let's take a field trip to American Heritage 3rd Edition Land...
bathmat... defecit... end line... aha.
def: en * e * my (en' e-me) n., pl. -mies. 1. One who feels hatred toward,
Bzzt. Actually, I kinda like you. Your singlemindedness is really in
some ways admirable, even if it's one of the most outright bizarre things
I've ever witnesses in my life. And you have cool pets.
def: intends injury to,
Strike two. I'm afraid the kicking in the teeth bit was merely a
metaphorical embellishment on your part.
def: or opposes another; a foe.
Hmm. Okay, score you partial credit on this one. It's applicable, but
in the vague sense that you can apply it to almost anything, e.g. the
grass is my enemy, because it keeps groowing and won't just hold at a
nice convenient two-inch height. It opposes my belief in a
self-maintaining good-looking lawn. My foe, the grass.
It's been my understanding in dealing with you that you have a small
tendency to attribute direct malicious intent when X person/place/thing
posits something contrary to your opinions. Sadly, however, virtually
nobody is "out to get you".
>
>In article <5902rv$o...@infoserver.bgsu.edu>,
>Brent David Stocking <bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
>>In a previous article, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) says:
>>>Your comments show me just exactly how much you know about Soundwave.
>>>Absolutely nothing. Soundwave is neither evil nor a blackmailer. Watch the
>>>show sometime, if your memory is so poor.
>>
>>Actually, I read Soundwave's entry in the Transformers:Universe book.
>
>Which is pure garbage.
Well, most of canon isn't Great Literature either.
>He was never portrayed that way in the show, *or* in the comic.
>Besides, which is more pleasant for other players to interact with
>-- someone you can absolutely trust and count on (if you're a fellow
>Decepticon, of course), or someone you constantly have to watch your back from?
You phrase that question like it has a definitive answer. But as long as
you're being subjective, which is more pleasant for other players to
interact with -- A harsh, driven Megatron, inspiring and forceful in
leadership, or a relaxed, easygoing Megs, an flat-out great guy who'll
crack a joke with the troops, talk to a warrior when he's down, and even
let a lucky Decepticon take a shot at somebody with his cannon every once
in a while?
> But of course
Oh, of course. Sorry, I missed the left turn at Fresno leading into San
Self-evident.
>you don't care about little considerations like that, since it's
>"only" the Decepticon faction, after all, and they're "supposed" to be
>backstabbers among one another ...
Hmm. Here's a consideration or two I adhere to, actually.
It's "only" a game?
It's "supposed" to be a game, not a flippin' idealogical crusade?
>ah, good old 2005 policy, you never entirely
>forget the slimey feeling it leaves you with....
"That's great, Venkman! Save some for me!"
>
>>Which is technically just as canonically convenient as the 'toon. (Yeah,
>>I know, 'drivel'. But hey, implying volumes into a half-hour TV
>>advertisement isn't exactly defensible either. :>)
>
>Actually -- and I realize that the ideals we started 2005 Mush with have long
>been sold up the river, so it may no longer apply -- but you'll recall that the
>theme of the place was distinctly set in the cartoon universe.
Hello, Topspin! Hiya, Twin Twist. What's up, non-flying Dinobots?
Amen to Primus! And, nonwithstanding, that previously mentioned Tf:U
book was character staff's handbook from the get-go.
You have a point, correctly, that most of the theme is cartoon. But the
official theme has always been "movie, plus other stuff". Cartoon's more
or less the default, but comic/toy outlets are just as ducky if worked in
right.
Ever been to Paradron, Sandstorm? No? Huh.
>Sad, really,
>how a place that started out with the expressed purpose of allowing equal
>respect to *everyone*, regardless of faction, regardless of OC or FC status,
>should have turned into the 'Bot-n-Human Show, with everyone else relegated to
>second-class status.....
So where's the respect for evil Decepts? And why are they necessarily
second-class?
> It's people like you who were the reason I wanted to kill Soundwave off
>when I left -- people who have no understanding of the character,
(People who don't share my personal interpretation of the character,)
>obviously no
>affection for him
Soundwave is a cool fictional character. And that's about the nicest
thing that can be said about him. I'm not exactly in the habit of
pouring lavish adoration on the products of the 6-12 year old boys'
market for toys, I'm afraid.
>(or else you wouldn't put such dedication into representing
>him in a derrogatory manner),
I'll agree with you on certain points here. By definition, if you like
character A, and don't like character A being portrayed as seven parts
DaVinci, five parts Mister Sinister, two parts Bernard Montgomery, and
one half part Josef Mengele, then you're going to see it as derogatory.
No getting around that.
Hooever. Dedication? Nah. Soundwave's just this guy I log on to to
have fun. Refer to previous 'malicious intent' statement.
>who bounce indiscriminately from one character to
>another anyway
Ooo. Make note, gang, I got tagged here. My infamous altchar list is
tres long. However, y'know, maybe she didn't get me all that great. I
seem to recall that I've made all of one character switch in the last
7-8 months.
>and view them all through a warped pro-Autobot lens.
Oh, yeah. Decepticons are evil, so I'm pro-Autobot. Keep forgettin'.
Or, on the other hand, maybe that's just a rotten logical induction.
>Soundwave,
>at the very least, deserved better.
What, did Soundwave die or something? I wasn't aware he was alive. I
wasn't aware he was /real/.
> But by all means go and portray him in your skewed
Hee.
>way ... you're just
>following a 12-year tradition started by the toy box tech specs, after all.
Cool. I'll file that along with my 19-year tradition of breathing.
>Don't let a little thing like faction unity and the eventual, likely
>instability of the entire Mush get in your way ...
Conflict provides drama. The abscence of drama is boring. Or something
similar to that was drummed into my head in Theatre 141.
>*I* certainly don't care
>about 2005's eventual, inevitable fate, but I'll be the first to cheer when it
>falls completely apart -- regardless of how long it takes.....
Well, duh. No MU* lives forever. Hell, (this is just a fudged estimate,
and in no way should be construed as gospel, but I think I'm fairly
accurate with this one. Anybody with hard numbers to provide may do so
with no argument from me) a good 3/4ths of 'em don't even make a year IC
and up.
The fact of the matter is, 2005 is one of the more stable and active
places out there. But, hey, any place can up and tank out same as the
next one, don't get me wrong. 2005, however, has a lot more goin' for it
than other places.
>
>>>Seeing as Theme staffers have no power to enforce any decisions, I'm not the
>>>least bit surprised.....
>>
>>Well, the ones with flagrant factional biases, anyway.
>
>Flagrant factional biases? Look who's talking. It's people like you and
>certain of your loathsome admin cronies who have tried from the beginning
Attention! The Secret Order of Me and My Wild Vaguely Accused Loathsome
Cronies' Conspiratorial Hasbro-Funded Worldwide Network Admin Assembled
to Flagrantly Blaspheme The Decepticon Faction From The Beginning's
(TSOMMWVALCCHFWNAAFBTDFFTB) weekly plotting session has been moved back
to December 19th at 7:00, still held at St. Paul's United Methodist on
the corner of Fourth and Grove. Dinner is potluck.
>to
>force the Decepticons on 2005 to portray themselves from the Autobot viewpoint
>in order to maintain the high-and-holy Hasbro-given status quo, because in
>their closed little minds they couldn't handle the concept of a Decepticon
>viewpoint being as valid as any other. Which resulted in those flagrant
>factional biases you speak of -- *against* the Decepticons.
Ya know, answer me this. What about /my/ right to play a Decepticon the
way I want to play one? What about /my/ right to play the supremely
kick-ass bad guys that I watched on TV in grade school growing up? What
about /my/ right to role-play an intelligent, purposeful, yes, /evil/,
character who seeks to conquer the Galaxy? Who made you the be-all and
end-all arbiter of all things Decepticonnish? What makes your opinion
any more valid than mine or the King of Spain's? Why do I have a closed
little mind instead of you being a paranoid headcase? If I'm so
narrow-minded anyway, then why do you consistently divide people into
with-me and The Conspiracy Against The Decepticons? Why can't you ever
give up your extremism and stop inventing mad conspiracy theories and
deliberate, focused opposition to justify your position? What is this
obsession with justification? Why am I wrong and you right? Why are
either of us wrong /or/ right? Why can't I disagree with you without
committing some high treasonous sin against the Decepticons?
Actually, that's a lotta this, now that I look back at that.
> Your basic lack of respect for Decepticon characters was evident right
>from the beginning, when you went behind my back and messed up the stats on a
>character I'd donated to the Mush -- not a character I'd *created for* the
>Mush, mind you, but a pre-existing character of my own whom I'd allowed to be
>used because he was needed -- and you had absolutely no right to change his
>stats (*mental* stats, no less, which made him a completely different
>character!), without asking me.
Not that you'll believe me, but nobody ever told me that /was/ your
creation. It didn't have a 'property of Raksha' coded on it, ya know.
And when you did up and blow up at this and want it destroyed, did I get
in the way? No. I didn't have a problem with it in the slightest. I
actually understood your reasons for doing so.
>And this was only one of an ongoing number of
>such incidents.
Like the Blaster flaps. Oh, yeah, he can't be anywhere near /close/ to
Soundwave statistically, of course. Nevermind that Soundwave would
have wiped the floor with Blaster. Hell, Full Blast even trashed him.
Nevermind that I tried to explain this to you for at least a half-hour.
Nevermind about all the flak I caught about how Blaster's X was
randomized higher than Soundwave's X.
Or the undersea base move. Or all the other such incidents. Yeah, I
remember /those/...
>It's an attitude I assign not only to you, but to the vast
>majority of the higher-ups at 2005 -- an attitude that I had to fight off again
>and again for the Decepticons and their players to be given some little bit of
>consideration and dignity.
Has it ever occured to you that maybe most of the Decepticon players play
Decepticons because they wanna be evil? Or don't mind playing evil
characters? Your 'consideration and dignity' line gets drawn where
people play Decepticons how you think they should.
>And this against my so-called "friends."
Love how 'friends' seems to imply they follow your ideals implicitly.
> To anyone who's considering taking a character there -- especially a 'Con
>character, and *especially* if you have a true fondness for the character --
>I'm here to tell you, this is what you're facing. Proceed at your own risk....
She's right, you know. If you have a singular incapacity for compromise,
if you think that everyone is ganging up against you just to make your
life miserable, and if you can't sacrifice a little of Your Vision so all
can get along, you probably won't last too long at 2005.
>
> --Raksha
> (if you post something specifically
> to make me angry, don't be surprised
> if you do, in fact, succeed....)
>
-brent, just postin'. Results vary by reader.
Daoinne Sidhe
> on Backtrack. ;) hehehe. Just call me evil. - Addy
>
> - Liane "Tetra Reris" Elliot - "It isn't what we -
Okay... You.. are evil...Better? Is that nice? Anyways. I am,
for one, glad I didnt have to follow in anyones footsteps in this lovely
potential for spam as well as flames. if you all will just get over this
whole identity thing and just remember its a game, them we all can have a
laugh and get along.BTW, I am prepared te get told to mind my own
business.. As for this whole thread of so and so beoing gay. Who cares?
Its lovely to speculate, and all that, but dont take it personnaly. feel
free to comment on it, but dont go for anyone. So someone thinks your
personal fav toy was a queen. Big deal. Consider it a nice thing. Not
many have the style and grace to get those all warrented cool points..
*chuckles* I will now go back to my personal grief and comment further on
this lovely spread later.... Tetra, calm down. I think we all know what
you feel about all that. Brent, chill out and dont jump on people or we
all will have to delete loads of stupid stuff. Raksha.. what can I say..
you...are nifty... anyways.......
Me......AKA some other people on various mushes and junk.
The List: Arachnae @2K5
Solo @2K5
Selena @2K5
Soundwave @TF2
Formerly Starchaser @TF2
In my own mind as well as the minds of others..:
Ghost "Victory thru Deception"
Indigo
And who cares.........Blah
u01dlw
Raksha (jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: First of all, my apologies to everyone else for this thread -- though I point
: out that *I* didn't start it; maybe I should have just taken it to e-mail, but
: I was goaded in public, so I will respond here. I realize it may make little
: sense to anyone who wasn't there, so you'd be best advised just to skip it now
: and go on to the next post -- but the people I'm responding to, and about, are
: the ones who returned a year and a half of my dedication to 2005 Mush with
: multiple kicks in the teeth and personal betrayals, and my loathing of them
: exceeds even my feelings for Hasbro and the BW Pretender to the Name. I never
: forget a friend -- and I damn sure never forget an enemy.
Well nice start to any post, instantly start insulting someone, even if nobody
was named(although in this instance a whole MUSH was named, and a rather big one
too, if I might add)
: In article <5902rv$o...@infoserver.bgsu.edu>,
: Brent David Stocking <bre...@bgnet.bgsu.edu> wrote:
: >In a previous article, jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) says:
: >>Your comments show me just exactly how much you know about Soundwave.
: >>Absolutely nothing. Soundwave is neither evil nor a blackmailer. Watch the
: >>show sometime, if your memory is so poor.
: >
: >Actually, I read Soundwave's entry in the Transformers:Universe book.
: Which is pure garbage. He was never portrayed that way in the show, *or* in
: the comic.
And? Your trying to argue that the way you played Soundwave was right because it
was from one source while Brents way of playing him is wrong JUST because it's
from another source? seriously this is getting ludicrous(sp?). BOTH
interpretations of Soundwave are as justifiable as each other, your own personal
preference for one does not make it the right one any more than Brents personal
preference for the other makes it the right one. It's all up to the person
currently playing the character at the time, indeed I believe it was you
yourself who were all for letting PLAYERS change parts of the ICNOTE so the
ICNote stated the way they were playing the character(yes I know thats prolly
not exactly what you were wanting, but it's close enough), yet now your saying
that for Soundwave there was only ONE way of playing him? hmmmm.
: Besides, which is more pleasant for other players to interact with
: -- someone you can absolutely trust and count on (if you're a fellow
: Decepticon, of course), or someone you constantly have to watch your back from?
: But of course you don't care about little considerations like that, since it's
: "only" the Decepticon faction, after all, and they're "supposed" to be
: backstabbers among one another
Now yer getting into the old Bots Are Good Cons are Evil discussion, which
seemed to me to be a waste of time when it was on the MUSH. It's all a matter
of what your personal preferences were, you obviously believe there was more to
the Decepticons than just plain evil ppl, which is perfectly allowable, and
rather cool too, cause it means you don't just go in for 2-Dimensional 'evil'
characters. But the other view, that the Decepticons are evil, end of story is
ALSO perfectly acceptable, just because they haven't bothered to think the cons
have a reason for doing what they do doesn't mean they are wrong. As with the
interpretation of the characters this is all up to individuals, niether TF2005,
NOR you have any right to even try to impose either opinion on anyone else, you
have every right to state your opinion and why you have it, but not to simple
say "I believe this, so it's right."
:... ah, good old 2005 policy, you never entirely forget the slimey feeling it
:leaves you with....
Back to insulting a whole MUSH, well in this case the Admin, how adult of you
Raksha, I would seriously have expected more from you, who I had considered a
friend, although the few posts I've seen you post about 2k5 haven't exactly made
me wanna think that much now.
: >Which is technically just as canonically convenient as the 'toon. (Yeah,
: >I know, 'drivel'. But hey, implying volumes into a half-hour TV
: >advertisement isn't exactly defensible either. :>)
: Actually -- and I realize that the ideals we started 2005 Mush with have long
: been sold up the river, so it may no longer apply -- but you'll recall that the
: theme of the place was distinctly set in the cartoon universe. Sad, really,
: how a place that started out with the expressed purpose of allowing equal
: respect to *everyone*, regardless of faction, regardless of OC or FC status,
: should have turned into the 'Bot-n-Human Show, with everyone else relegated to
: second-class status.....
Oooo, here we go again, you like making comments about TF2005 don't you, shame
none of them are good though.
: It's people like you who were the reason I wanted to kill Soundwave off
: when I left -- people who have no understanding of the character, obviously no
: affection for him (or else you wouldn't put such dedication into representing
: him in a derrogatory manner)
Now this is silly, the FC characters are on the MUSH constantly, the only time
they are killed off is if they are deemed as not being of use to the MUSH,
Soundwave is of use, and your stating that you had considered killing him off
merely shows how set in your ways you seem to be.
:, who bounce indiscriminately from one character to
: another anyway and view them all through a warped pro-Autobot lens. Soundwave,
: at the very least, deserved better.
Erm, Soundwave is a character, not a person, he gets represented in many ways by
many people, if you have a problem with the way he's played on any MUSH, deal
with it, or bother to get a char on the MUSH, RP WITH him and THEN judge his RP,
don't just assume that he's beiong played wrong, thats just plain nuts IMO.
: But by all means go and portray him in your skewed way ... you're just
: following a 12-year tradition started by the toy box tech specs, after all.
: Don't let a little thing like faction unity and the eventual, likely
: instability of the entire Mush get in your way ... *I* certainly don't care
: about 2005's eventual, inevitable fate, but I'll be the first to cheer when it
: falls completely apart -- regardless of how long it takes.....
Well nice to see we can depend on you for support Raksha. You know it's a shame
when one of the ppl who were admin from the start leave, under any
circumstances, it's even worse when they feel they have to keep waiting for the
MUSH to fail. TF2005, like any MUSH, must evolve to accomodate new players, and
their views, along the way things change, and some people don't like those
changes, mostly because they don't agree with them. Now while most of the ppl
who don't like the changes state their opinion politly and let it be, as is the
accepted way of doing it, some ppl feel they have to start shouting out that
this is wrong, and posting insults that have no place anywhere on the net.
: >>Seeing as Theme staffers have no power to enforce any decisions, I'm not the
: >>least bit surprised.....
: >
: >Well, the ones with flagrant factional biases, anyway.
: Flagrant factional biases? Look who's talking. It's people like you and
: certain of your loathsome admin cronies who have tried from the beginning to
: force the Decepticons on 2005 to portray themselves from the Autobot viewpoint
: in order to maintain the high-and-holy Hasbro-given status quo, because in
: their closed little minds they couldn't handle the concept of a Decepticon
: viewpoint being as valid as any other. Which resulted in those flagrant
: factional biases you speak of -- *against* the Decepticons.
Admin cronies? wow, Raksha, thats almost childish now, lets see how many other
ppl we can insult eh? *sigh*
: Your basic lack of respect for Decepticon characters was evident right
: from the beginning, when you went behind my back and messed up the stats on a
: character I'd donated to the Mush -- not a character I'd *created for* the
: Mush, mind you, but a pre-existing character of my own whom I'd allowed to be
: used because he was needed -- and you had absolutely no right to change his
: stats (*mental* stats, no less, which made him a completely different
: character!), without asking me. And this was only one of an ongoing number of
: such incidents. It's an attitude I assign not only to you, but to the vast
: majority of the higher-ups at 2005 -- an attitude that I had to fight off again
: and again for the Decepticons and their players to be given some little bit of
: consideration and dignity. And this against my so-called "friends."
Well with the way you seem to treat us, specially lately, I don't think you can
call many ppl at 2k5 'friends'.
: To anyone who's considering taking a character there -- especially a 'Con
: character, and *especially* if you have a true fondness for the character --
: I'm here to tell you, this is what you're facing. Proceed at your own risk....
Erm, that goes without saying at any MUSH for any character. Before you
acctually go ahead and try to get a char you should ALWAYS check the MUSH out,
read the news files on theme etc, and talk to other players/admin, get a good
idea of what the MUSH is like.
: --Raksha
: (if you post something specifically
: to make me angry, don't be surprised
: if you do, in fact, succeed....)
Well this wasn't posted specifically to make you angry, it was posted
specifically to make it clear that while your opinion is valid, so is everyone
elses, and posting insulting posts isn't a really good thing.
--
-Astracius@TF2k5 (Former VecSig to boot)
David Wilson
2nd Year, BSc Chemistry
Aberdeen University.
To be this bad takes a Brannon Bragga script.