This is why I don't like moderated TF boards,Somebody got named #1 TF fan.
Victoryleo
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=157406
What's next should we all bow down to this guy because he's superior
to every other TF fan.
What did this guy do to become the #1 TF fan. Here's a few random
serious & not serious scenarios. (1) Did he miss his prom because he
decided to watch the TF 1986 movie. (2) Did he have sex with susan
blu (arcee) 20 years ago when she was young & sexy. (3) does he spend
his 100% pay check on trying to be the ultimate TF completist? (4) Did
he face off at all the botcon conventions Trivia's sections & win
since 1996? (5)does he know every single word of all the TF cartoons
from 1985-2007? (6) did he write a five thousand word essay to Orson &
Hasbro begging to be named #1. (8) Did he give money out to all the TF
site owners? (9) did he take care of orson & a few hasbro guys in the
botcon bathroom?
Crap like this above is the main reason I stay away from TF fan
conventions & TF moderated boards. I'm into Transformers because I
actually love my hobby. I'm not into pulling out one hundred dollar
bills next to the guy with no shoes & trying to be better than
anyone.
People who stand on a high pedastool & want bragging rights is not the
type of TF fans I want to be associated with nor admire. I rather
hang out with the TF fans who have families,work hard at there 40+
hour job & treat the TF hobby at less than 10% of there life
interest.
Every TF fan is important & no one is the Superior. So what one guy
might know better TF trivia. that just means he missed having sex with
his wife or girl friend because he was too busy studying TF trivia
questions. All for bragging rights. So what so me TF dude owns every
TF toy ever made. That just means he lives with his parents still or
he's going to get a gigantic coffin when he dies & he'll get burried
with all his kiddie toys. So what some TF guys are popular TF
moderated board members. that just means when the TF site owners
begged for cash to keep the boards running they gave the most with a
return favor attached.
Last side note: Ben yee must be angry as hell.
Greenboy
your questions are hilarious, but seriously, it's not a big deal.
> Every TF fan is important & no one is the Superior.
RIGHT! So, you've got it in perspective. They're simply kid's toys,
first-and-foremost.
As a matter of fact, I'm going to proclaim myself judge of this newsgroup,
and I proclaim you, Deathy, as the most... uh... unique Transformers fan.
8^)
All this is in good fun, so don't take it wrong. Just look at it as
silliness, which is exactly what it is. Now, let's all us fans enjoy our
hobby equally, huh?
Greenboy
--
Ghost, UFO, and cryptid paranormal investigations in Eastern PA and
surrounding areas.
http://www.countrysideanomalous.com
Greenboy
complete RID DVD's via your e-mail? I sent it about a month back.
Thunder Magnificent!
>> Every TF fan is important & no one is the Superior.
>
> RIGHT! So, you've got it in perspective. They're simply kid's toys,
> first-and-foremost.
>
I like this attitude. So many fans seem to get too serious about it...
t.k.
Onslaught Six
> What did this guy do to become the #1 TF fan.
Deathy, did you read the post 'at all?'
This was a contest sponsored by IDW, BBTS and ToyFare. The fact that
he happens to be a member of the forum is irrelevant. He made a
decently-funny video, sent it in, and they picked it. That's...that's
it. That's all, and he won the contest.
It has nothing to do with TFW itself. This whole post is pathetic.
> People who stand on a high pedastool & want bragging rights is not the
> type of TF fans I want to be associated with nor admire. I rather
> hang out with the TF fans who have families,work hard at there 40+
> hour job & treat the TF hobby at less than 10% of there life
> interest.
It doesn't look like this guy was looking for anything like that. He
entered a contest with a video. Thassit. If I'd known about said
contest and actually felt like entering, maybe I would've too. It
would've been on the merits of getting a black THS-02 if nothing else.
He comes with awesome G2 heads!
> Every TF fan is important & no one is the Superior. So what one guy
> might know better TF trivia. that just means he missed having sex with
> his wife or girl friend because he was too busy studying TF trivia
> questions. All for bragging rights. So what so me TF dude owns every
> TF toy ever made. That just means he lives with his parents still or
> he's going to get a gigantic coffin when he dies & he'll get burried
> with all his kiddie toys. So what some TF guys are popular TF
> moderated board members. that just means when the TF site owners
> begged for cash to keep the boards running they gave the most with a
> return favor attached.
I really hate it when people like you imply people like me have no
lives simply because we happen to occupy much more of their time with
TF than you do. I go to college and I spend every day talking to my
girlfriend. And yet I 'still' have hours to piss away doing whatever I
want. As of late, it seems to have been working on music, but
sometimes, that's TF instead.
> Last side note: Ben yee must be angry as hell.
Did he enter the contest? No? Then he has no reason to complain.
Zobovor
> Click on the link below:http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=157406
>
> What's next should we all bow down to this guy because he's superior
> to every other TF fan.
I'd be embarassed to be named the Biggest Transformers Fan.
Particularly after all the weight I lost this year.
Zob
Victoryleo
my offer for the complete RID DVD's via your e-mail? �I sent it about
a month back."
I'm sorry I get so much spam e-mail that I just delete it. Please
anytime you feel like e-mailing me say something in the subject header
like: hey Deathy it's me Greenboy or something similar.
Yes,I'm always interested in The Rid Cartoon series DVD's. I'm just
curious is this the complete set with the 2 maybe 3 episodes the USA
never got but the UK & Canada got?
I'm also interested in the DVD's of Japanese Beastwars 2nd & neo. I
had the Scramble city & Zone episodes & lost them,So I'd love to have
them on DVD as well.
Thus far i've got the entire TF G-1 1984-1987 seasons 1-4 on DVD'S,
Beastwars,beastmachines,Headmasters,Master force & Victory on DVD's. I
have the complete Armada,energon & Cybertron on VHS.
So I'm always looking to transfer everything over to DVD Format. Reply
here or email me with what you've got & the prices you want to sell it
for.
Victoryleo
anything like that. He
entered a contest with a video. Thassit. If I'd known about said
Here's a copied & pasted paragraph from the TFW2005 Website: "The
Search for the Biggest Transformer Fan Video Contest was produced in
conjunction with the Transform Me documentary by Dahveed Kolodny-Nagy
through Smorgasbord Productions. The contest, in which fans sent in
video pleading their case as the Biggest Fan."
Notice the last 7 words says as follows: PLEADING THERE CASE AS THE
BIGGEST FAN.
It sure seems vein,self-centered,better than everyone else,top
honcho,uno nemero,top dog type of bragging rights type of ordeal. I
would'nt be surprissed if this guy was given a free botcon 08
ticket,plane ride. then put up on the botcon convention stage &
annouced as the #1 biggest TF fan on a loud speaker. Who knows maybe
some TF fans at Botcon will wait in line to pay for his picture
autograph.
Onslaught Six
> Here's a copied & pasted paragraph from the TFW2005 Website: "The
> Search for the Biggest Transformer Fan Video Contest was produced in
> conjunction with the Transform Me documentary by Dahveed Kolodny-Nagy
> through Smorgasbord Productions. The contest, in which fans sent in
> video pleading their case as the Biggest Fan."
>
> Notice the last 7 words says as follows: PLEADING THERE CASE AS THE
> BIGGEST FAN.
>
> It sure seems vein,self-centered,better than everyone else,top
> honcho,uno nemero,top dog type of bragging rights type of ordeal. I
> would'nt be surprissed if this guy was given a free botcon 08
> ticket,plane ride. then put up on the botcon convention stage &
> annouced as the #1 biggest TF fan on a loud speaker. Who knows maybe
> some TF fans at Botcon will wait in line to pay for his picture
> autograph.
That's what 'TFW' said. And, really, how about actually watching the
video he sent in?
And the prize didn't include any of that, so he's not going to get it.
Do people stand in line to meet what's-his-name that runs TFW, or the
Seibertron guy, or Ben Yee? No. (Well, alright, 'I'd' stand in line to
meet Ben Yee. And then I'd give him a TFU Swerve as an in-joke that he
wouldn't get.)
You're overreacting. Take your meds and settle down.
Gustavo Wombat
Perhaps they don't mean weight, wink-wink, nudge-nudge.
Gustavo!
Kittie Rose
authoritarian morons who think it being "their board" gives them a
chance to act out their little power fantasies of highly selective
moderation.
~ KR
FortMax
Allspark IS Kalidor's board and BWTF IS Ben's board. They pay for the
address, the server space (or their own server), the bandwidth and the
licences for the various software the boards use.
And from what I've seen, the closest thing to "Highly selective
moderation" is the only people who get warned or banned are the ones
that break the rules. (The one exception to this I know of is Bigbot
and its mass bannings from quite awhile back)
Greenboy
"Kittie Rose" <wetf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1eb1cd4c-e2a7-4a99...@a28g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Actually that's about as good as it can be put.
It's true, they're simply running posting boards in a vast ocean of what is
the 'net. It's meaningless. Proclaiming oneself emperor and bestowing
made-up titles is about as creative as a fart.
Victoryleo
run by authoritarian morons who think it being "their board" gives
them a chance to act out their little power fantasies of highly
selective moderation"
Grenboy then replied & wrote: "Actually that's about as good as it can
be put.
It's true, they're simply running posting boards in a vast ocean of
what is
the 'net. It's meaningless. Proclaiming oneself emperor and
bestowing
made-up titles is about as creative as a fart.
I agree with both of you.
Moderated TF message boards equal Communist USSR. ATT equals freedom
USA.
IMO,At the very least the real USSR was run by competent ADULTS with
vast experience.
Victoryleo
that runs TFW, or the
Seibertron guy, or Ben Yee? No. (Well, alright, 'I'd' stand in line to
meet Ben Yee. And then I'd give him a TFU Swerve as an in-joke that he
wouldn't get.) "
I actually did meet Ben Yee at a TRU in Brooklyn when the Beastwars
TM1 toy line was first put on shelves. We were both looking at the
Mega sized TM1 Megatron & Primal toys. Ben Yee told me the entire BW
season 2 ending before it aired on TF. I also met Tony Bacal owner of
the TFW2005 Message boards at 3+ toy/comic conventions in manhattan.
the guy had a huge banner advertising his booth.
Kittie Rose
I don't really give a shit. You can't "Own" people and their
interactions. Servers are cheap as shit these days, and for smaller
boards, you can run it on invisionfree or any number of free hosts.
The reason they pay for them, more than anything, is for the extra
power.
Either way, if people thought like I did and not like you did -
wouldn't the internet be a better place? Moderators would have to be
RESPONSIBLE. Once you let ALL moderators do what they want without
raising an objection, the internet as it is now happens, and it sucks.
If people actually say "Well, hey, you wouldn't have a fucking board
if it wasn't for us", then admins and mods have a responsibility not
to act like complete tools, banning people for being upset or just
plain because they don't like them instead of taking the time to deal
with the real trolls.
The TF Movie fiasco was ghastly. I can't honestly imagine how the mods
of Seibertron and TFW2005 have anything in way of a conscience.
"Moderated TF message boards equal Communist USSR. ATT equals freedom
USA.
IMO,At the very least the real USSR was run by competent ADULTS with
vast experience. "
- Actually, in terms of the dictatorship that was Stalinist USSR, yes,
but in many ways the moderated internet is very capitalist - ANYONE
can set up their own website with their own views if they supposedly
"Work Hard" - they just probably won't succeed. Offering a more true,
level freedom of speech is closer to the "Heart" of the equality that
led to sparking the ideas in communism. But the "moderated" Internet
IS very capitalist in it's unequal nature.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
~KR
Kittie Rose
> "Kittie Rose" <wetfl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Interesting to see someone actually does think the same way I do about
online forums, most people just keep pushing the "IT'S THEIR BOARD"
over and over. People are really very deeply programmed. Fortmax
honestly sounds like a robot in his reply, which is ironic since most
mods are very "human" in their terrible moderation. I can't believe he
even brings up the idea of "WELL ONLY PEOPLE THAT BREAK THE RULES" -
the rules on messageboards are generally designed so you can ban
anyone for almost any reason. It's how you act on them.
It's entirely circular reasoning, either way.
You are right, it is pretty sad. The way you put it, just there, made
me realise that these eLords are even more ridiculous than I'd ever
previously thought. It's sad. Tony Bacala or Ryan or Kalidor or that
mental patient that runs TFans have no qualifications in anything
relevant. They're just taking advantage of the fact that people are
gullible and will settle for a crap community not believing or
realising they can do better.
From a Utilitarian perspective, which is the only even vaguely logical
outlook on these kind of matters - if they were more responsible and
less authoritarian, it would be a GOOD thing. As long as they continue
to be BAD at what they do - I'll criticise them, as should be my
right.
~ KR
FortMax
So first I'm The Tavern Table admin Lord Galvatron, and now I'm a
robot programmed a few fans who have websites. I guess I somehow
managed to program myself.
Anyway, I checked the Allsparks rules (http://www.allspark.com/forums/
index.php?s=909aa3b2beb2f44d9d51f133664e543c&act=Help), and there
isn't anything that even hints that you can be banned because one of
the admins just feels like it. There's even a "user warnings" forum
that shows all effective warnings that any user has recieved on the
current board. To my knowledge, the only people banned before getting
six warnings in the span of a year were either alt-IDs of banned
users, people who joined to spam, previously banned users who violated
the terms of being unbanned, or one person who posted a link to child
porn.
As for people banned from Teletraan-1, they were either vandalizing
pages (this includes you), people who were flaming (this included
Derek, who had flamed you), or people who were repeateably not
following the style guide (these people typically get a ban of at most
a few hours).
FortMax
> Moderated TF message boards equal Communist USSR. ATT equals freedom
> USA.
Ooh! I call dibs on waterboarding, detaining people indifenitly in
Gitmo without charge, sending others to foreign countries to be
tortured and creating false reports of WMDs to give us an excuse for
invading another country!
Greenboy
"FortMax" <fortress...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:55f97705-84ce-4926...@c30g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
I call dibs on fruit roll ups!!!....
*crickets chirping*
...forget it.
8^)
Gustavo Wombat
I call dibs on recording all "private" communications between the
members of the community, and performing sophisticated data analysis
on the set to identify troublemakers. (I used to work in the same room
as some folks who actually had that as their job... cool, eh?)
And jailing peaceful protesters and keeping them in fenced off cages
on piers on the west side of Manhattan.
The whole thing will be very orderly.
Gustavo!
SteveD
wrote:
Well, it does.
But fortunately, this here internet thing allows anyone to set up an
alternative where all is peace and light, and nothing ever offends anyone.
And hey, as a bonus, administering such a system means there's less time
for bitching about how other people have done it. Win-win!
-SteveD
SteveD
I bagsey rigging elections, siphoning off billions of dollars into my
cronies' pockets, and creating an environment of fear and terror!
-SteveD
Kittie Rose
The fact that Andrusi has never appeared in the warnings/ban section
is evidence enough to show it fails completely.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:59:39 -0800 (PST), Kittie Rose <wetfl...@gmail.com>
Except this never happens. Mostly because people only stick to clones
of what they're used to.
~ KR
FortMax
Do you have an example?
Kittie Rose
The Tavern Table? You mean the forum that dedicated itself to
incessantly flaming me in the most immature manner, and planned a
ridiculous "conspiracy" to get me to join believing it'd be a "good"
board?
It's not surprising you're a complete fuckwit then.
~ LR
Kittie Rose
He is a constant troll. He's even worse at being a Kittie Rose than I
am. Searching for his posts in any heated thread shows this. But he
has the admins' favour.
~ KR
David Willis
>
> He is a constant troll. He's even worse at being a Kittie Rose than I
> am. Searching for his posts in any heated thread shows this. But he
> has the admins' favour.
Really? Andrusi?
Oh, I see. He thinks the movie was a success. I guess he IS a troll.
--David
www.shortpacked.com
FortMax
No, the "So first I'm The Tavern Table admin Lord Galvatron" is from
an earlier topic here where for some reason you seemed to think I was
Lord Galvatron. I do have an account there (granted, I haven't been
there in the past six months, but I still have that account), but just
like here, the Allspark, and Teletraan-I my username there is
"FortMax".
FortMax
> >> Do you have an example?
>
> > He is a constant troll. He's even worse at being a Kittie Rose than I
> > am. Searching for his posts in any heated thread shows this. But he
> > has the admins' favour.
>
>
> Really? Andrusi?
>
> Oh, I see. He thinks the movie was a success. I guess he IS a troll.
>
> --Davidwww.shortpacked.com
She may be referring to his dislike of people who don't acknowledge
the fact that people are allowed to to like stuff they may not.
http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=34562&view=findpost&p=698343
FortMax
Unless the word "troll" now means "Pretty Cure fanatic", I don't see
how he's a troll.
FortMax
Sorry. I was mistaken. You didn't think I was Lord Galvatron. You
thought I was Maximus Prime (the other Tavern Table admin)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/e61cc82a5961cf82?dmode=source
not_avai...@yahoo.com
> Either way, if people thought like I did and not like you did -
> wouldn't the internet be a better place?
And this is why the 'internet' will always win.
INTERNET: 4,000,000,000 KITTIE ROSE: 00
Kittie Rose
Heh, well either way the Tavern Table is a good example of why
moderated TF boards also suck.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
> >> Do you have an example?
>
> > He is a constant troll. He's even worse at being a Kittie Rose than I
> > am. Searching for his posts in any heated thread shows this. But he
> > has the admins' favour.
>
>
> Really? Andrusi?
>
> Oh, I see. He thinks the movie was a success. I guess he IS a troll.
>
> --Davidwww.shortpacked.com
Jesus, I've been trying pretty hard to be respectful to you lately but
now you're just getting seriously narky. Andrusi is a MASSIVE troll
who gets away with insulting people in massively inflammatory ways,
but always "Just manages" to keep it within what the moderation staff
tend to outline. Any intelligent or non-apathetic moderation staff
would see what he's doing. Master Fwiffo isn't a ton better. It is not
just because he likes the movie, and that's an extremely immature
thing to do, write it off as that just because I have a problem with
someone. Maybe your own methods are too similar to his to realise what
a troll he is, but in the time I was there I honestly couldn't believe
that someone like that didn't get into any trouble, since he was both
a troll AND overly aggressive, trolls are by definition nearly always
smooth and smug. Reading some of his posts in the movie threads from a
few months back AND NO NOT JUST BECAUSE HE LIKES THE MOVIE, he tears
into some people just for their opinion.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
That is indeed not terribly far classic Andrusi trolling. Just because
he claims not to flame people for their opinions, doesn't mean he
doesn't. The way he puts it in itself is trolling because it's fucking
blatant he tears into people based on their opinion.
"I'm really sick and tired of people bashing fans of G1. For every
"whiny geewunner" out there, there are at least three or four anti-
fans who bash, ridicule, and disparage them. And each and every time
these "anti-fans" flames a "geewunner", the outcome is the same: The
"geewunner" becomes more enraged and impassioned and responds (often
with justification), which only makes them look like a psycho "fan who
cannot move on" and are further flamed.
There are a lot of other G1 fans, like myself, who appreciate all
aspects to this fandom, like new things as well as old, appreciate
Beast Wars, liked the movie, look forward to the Animated series, and
liked a lot of toys from AEC. But we also like G1, and the classic
characters, and want them given modern updates. I don't think that
makes us "lost upstream in the river" or whatever bullspit analogy
that was made in critticism."
What exactly is wrong with this? He's not saying anyone can't like the
movie. He's merely saying what he likes, and that people shouldn't
attack him for it. It is absolutely true. For each and every one of
the kind of people the TF Wiki makes fun of, there are 3 or 4
Andrusis, Master Fwiffos, Redsquadrons, and what have you.
It's nice to see someone finally realises this - and no, that's not
my alt account.
You're EXTREMELY gullible if you think Andrusi is telling the truth.
Because Andrusi claims, in one post, that he doesn't rag on at people
just for their opinion, he doesn't? But even in that post, he's doing
it!
Here - 1) Are you sane?
Here - 2) Do you acknowledge the fact that other people are allowed to
like different things than you?
Here - 3) Do you acknowledge that there may possibly be some slight
value in the existence of aspects of Transformers that are not G1?
Why? Because the people he tears into almost always are part of 1),
2), 3). He's heavily implying everyone he's insulted does not register
as these things - which is damn sure to piss them off. There are only
a very small few of the ones that don't. I know, from personal
experience, as I tick all 3 boxes, and was trolled by andrusi
incessantly.
> There are some real problem fans in Transformers fandom who actually exist. They insist that G1 was a literary masterpiece (not exaggerating!)
Like who? And even if there are - why do you feel the need to insult
them?
in which all characters showed far more complexity than they ever
actually did (not exaggerating!) which could definitely have been
adapted perfectly into a movie with no change whatsoever because they
drew a pretty drawing (not exaggerating!) and that all series since
then have been utter garbage that nobody in their right mind would
enjoy (not exaggerating!) and any true fan would agree (not
exaggerating!) while any deviation from their vision of the One True
Transformers is raping their childhood (not exaggerating!).
This is why it's bullshit. Almost nobody thinks like this - it's a
Strawman. The real people he's tearing into want a G1 based movie, not
G1 directly as a movie.
> When I complain about GEEWUNners, I am complaining about these people.
Why can't you leave them alone? What about the more dominant problem
of people who act like the movie is absolutely perfect? Isn't that a
lot more dangerous?
> And I'm sure you'll never read any of this, given your not-even-remotely-subtle hint (other posts imply it wasn't even originally a hint!) that you've put me on ignore, since I am after all a flaming hatebag and endless source of negativity (ha!). Maybe someone will quote me.
This is what makes him a troll. Once he's under the microscope, he
tries to look reasonable. But then he'll lash into someone all the
same. That means he's at least to some degree, consciously aware of
what he's doing.
And you'll notice - he STILL admits to bashing people over their
opinion. He doesn't say that he trolls them because they are
intolerant of others views - only that he doesn't like theirs.
Are you still going to defend him?
I can't search the forums to show you these posts, of course. I hate
forums like that. But anyone who agrees with me that Allspark is a
shithole, feel free to search for his posts; especially ones made by
"Andrusi" with "Kittie Rose" in the message body. But the fact that he
still admits to tearing into people based on opinion should be enough.
~ KR
not_avai...@yahoo.com
> I can't search the forums to show you these posts, of course. I hate
> forums like that. But anyone who agrees with me that Allspark is a
> shithole, feel free to search for his posts; especially ones made by
> "Andrusi" with "Kittie Rose" in the message body. But the fact that he
> still admits to tearing into people based on opinion should be enough.
>
> ~ KR
WHO HERE GIVES A FLYING FUCKNUGGET ABOUT MASTER FLUFFO ANDRUSI AND THE
ALLSPARK?!
RAISE YOUR HANDS!
TROLLY McBEAM
INTERNET: 5,000,000,000 KITTIE ROSE: 00
gol...@gmail.com
> Last side note: Ben yee must be angry as hell.
Why?
FortMax
The only people I've seen Andrusi not like are people who don't quite
understand that it's okay for someone to have a different opinion.
This "Strawman" you claim he's displaying is not actually a Strawman.
And that post wasn't an attack, but a clarification. The person he was
quoting had misunderstoon the term "Geewunner" to be a derogatory term
for "G1 fan" rather than "G1 fan who believes G1 is the only true
Transformers, everything else is an insult to the line, and anyone who
disagrees with me is deluding themselves because they simply will take
whatever crap Hasbro dishes out".
The way you've been acting is closer to the "GeeWunner", except your
view is "The movie is an insult to the brand and anyone who claims
they like it don't actually like it but have been forced into acting
like they like it or else the evil moderators at the crap boards they
visit would ban them for not liking the movie"
Also, you've been contradicting yourself. Many times you've stated how
anyone can start a forum using free forum hosting, but just as many
times you've claimed that you don't have the skills needed to run a
forum.
necrotron
Alden Bates
> Being named the #1 Transfan is like arguing on the internet...
Even if you win, someone brings up Hitler?
Alden
Thunder Magnificent!
Exactly! :)
t.k.