blue bw tm2 megatron on ebay
noname
?
Autobot32
arrives.
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"noname" <fda...@jklfda.com> wrote in message
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Sky, Unicron's Advocate
> Yes. It IS blue. One of the ALLSpark members won it. Now to see if it
truly
> arrives.
It can't arrive because it doesn't exist. The best they can hope for is a
red TM2 Megatron. How insane is it to buy imaginary toys from people with
zero feedback anyway?
Sky Shadow
Hotdog Brendoconvoy
> It can't arrive because it doesn't exist. The best they can hope for is a
> red TM2 Megatron. How insane is it to buy imaginary toys from people with
> zero feedback anyway?
Very.
Almost as crazy as sending money upfront for something that can't exist,
just to see if it exists or not.
===
Brendocon
Irrellius King of the Potato People
> It can't arrive because it doesn't exist. The best they can hope for is a
> red TM2 Megatron. How insane is it to buy imaginary toys from people with
> zero feedback anyway? >>
it may very well exist. It may be made by bootleggers, or someone took a long
time painting a red one blue. Or it's a Botcon exclusive prototype put in a TM2
megs box.
Al-
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M Sipher
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> "Autobot32" wrote
>
> > Yes. It IS blue. One of the ALLSpark members won it. Now to see if it
> truly
> > arrives.
>
> It can't arrive because it doesn't exist.
And how EXACTLY do you know this? Some of us have gone over the pictures and
frankly, if it's a Photoshop color edit, it's the best godsdamn Photoshop
color edit I've ever seen, because I haven't got a CLUE how they could have
pulled this off as digital alteration. Some have even tried "unediting" it
and nothing doing. And as far as a home-made recolor... that's transparent
plastic and chromed bits there. Far beyond the scope of your average
kitbasher, unless they took the time to mold their own parts, at which
point, jeez, they deserve the money.
So the question becomes what it actually IS, since all the evidence points
to this thing being an actual physical, tangible object produced in those
colors. It could be (and for my money most likely is) a
proposed-and-scrapped recolor test-shot (I mean, aren't the factories where
these things are made in China?), which would probably put its production
numbers somewhere in the single-digits to MAYBE high teens. And if you
follow your TF toy history, you know these things happen... G2 Prtoectobots
and Stunticons, anyone? Laser Cycles Jazz & Soundwave?
There's an outside chance this IS something we'll see on shelves in the near
future, though I doubt it.
> How insane is it to buy imaginary toys from people with
> zero feedback anyway?
EVERYONE who has ever been on eBay had zero feedback at some point. You
don't start with a little star by your name.
M "I'm Hoping It DOES Come Out, Cuz I Like How This Mofo Looks" Sipher
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Zobovor
>> It can't arrive because it doesn't exist.
>
>And how EXACTLY do you know this? Some of us have gone over the
>pictures and frankly, if it's a Photoshop color edit, it's the best
>godsdamn Photoshop color edit I've ever seen, because I haven't got a
>CLUE how they could have pulled this off as digital alteration.
I'd say fairly easily. :)
http://members.aol.com/zobovor/supreme_cheetor_repaint.gif
I just found this toy at Wal-Mart. It's a Supreme Cheetor repainted in purple.
Or maybe it's one of Phil Zeman's Toy Fair photographs that I spent about five
minutes using Adobe PhotoDeluxe on. You decide. :)
>And as far as a home-made recolor... that's transparent plastic and
>chromed bits there.
Yeah, the blue chrome is really what precludes the possibility of it being a
home-made job, in my view.
>So the question becomes what it actually IS, since all the evidence
>points to this thing being an actual physical, tangible object produced
>in those colors.
It seems to me that unless the seller were fairly ignorant, he would have
played up the rarity and collectibility of this piece somehow. And even if
this *were* a legitimate Hasbro toy that's up for release, I sincerely doubt
that it would come packaged in the 1999 box design.
Maybe it's a BotCon toy that somebody decided to tart up in their old TM2 Megs
box. Heh.
>> How insane is it to buy imaginary toys from people with
>> zero feedback anyway?
>
>EVERYONE who has ever been on eBay had zero feedback at some
>point. You don't start with a little star by your name.
That's not the point, Ironhide. I personally wouldn't bid on *any* toy whose
existence is questionable at best, zero feedback or no.
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Sky, Unicron's Advocate
Some of us have gone over the pictures and
> frankly, if it's a Photoshop color edit, it's the best godsdamn Photoshop
> color edit I've ever seen, because I haven't got a CLUE how they could
have
> pulled this off as digital alteration. Some have even tried "unediting" it
> and nothing doing.
That's not true at all. Zenith said he "copied the Red Channel into a new
channel. Then I copied the blue Channel into the red, then the spare channel
I created back into the blue. In simple terms I swapped the red and blue
channels over but left the green untouched. The final image showed "normal"
TM2 Megs in a whacky box."
Additionally, It defies the laws of perspective, as Brendocon said it's
"Definitely faked, looking at the bottom of the box. There's no consistency
in the brightness/readability of the fonts. Especially considering the
angles of the boxes below it, for the way it would be pointing. Plus the
bottom looks like it's just stuck ontop of the pic."
Plus, as Zobovor said, "You can get a better feel for the seller's
photomanipulation skills by looking at the other auction he's got going",
which was the same thing done to bootleg Constructicons, although we can't
tell now, because 'Happygrass' has conveniently removed all trace of the
pictures from eBay.
And as far as a home-made recolor... that's transparent
> plastic and chromed bits there. Far beyond the scope of your average
> kitbasher, unless they took the time to mold their own parts, at which
> point, jeez, they deserve the money.
Which they don't.
> So the question becomes what it actually IS, since all the evidence points
> to this thing being an actual physical, tangible object produced in those
> colors.
What evidence?
It could be (and for my money most likely is) a
> proposed-and-scrapped recolor test-shot (I mean, aren't the factories
where
> these things are made in China?), which would probably put its production
> numbers somewhere in the single-digits to MAYBE high teens. And if you
> follow your TF toy history, you know these things happen... G2
Prtoectobots
> and Stunticons, anyone? Laser Cycles Jazz & Soundwave?
>
> There's an outside chance this IS something we'll see on shelves in the
near
> future, though I doubt it.
Me too.
> > How insane is it to buy imaginary toys from people with
> > zero feedback anyway?
>
> EVERYONE who has ever been on eBay had zero feedback at some point. You
> don't start with a little star by your name.
But you can gauge some reputability from a rating. 'Happygrass' has nothing
to lose.
Anyway, you may be right, but I wouldn't wager $86.92 on it.
Sky Shadow.
Sky, Unicron's Advocate
> Plus, as Zobovor said, "You can get a better feel for the seller's
> photomanipulation skills by looking at the other auction he's got going",
> which was the same thing done to bootleg Constructicons, although we can't
> tell now, because 'Happygrass' has conveniently removed all trace of the
> pictures from eBay.
Sorry, I was wrong. He's only removed traces of the Blue TM2 Megatron.
He's selling a second bootleg Constructicon set at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=586500647
Just in case anyone wants to bid:~
Sky Shadow.
Sky, Unicron's Advocate
http://members.aol.com/zobovor/supreme_cheetor_repaint.gif
>
> I just found this toy at Wal-Mart. It's a Supreme Cheetor repainted in
purple.
I'll buy it, it's purple! Oh, hold on, did you say 'Supreme Cheetor'?
You couldn't pay me to own one of those.
Sky Shadow.
Giga...@webtv.net
really like to see a pic or two of the color variation toy.
"PLEASE visit my web page, I made A dinosaur gestalt toy using 7
different Beastwars Transformers. I named the gestalt Dinoking". ( Just
click on the link below to enter my web page.).
http://community.webtv.net/GigaStorm/GigaStorms
M Sipher
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> M Sipher wrote:
>
> >> It can't arrive because it doesn't exist.
> >
> >And how EXACTLY do you know this? Some of us have gone over the
> >pictures and frankly, if it's a Photoshop color edit, it's the best
> >godsdamn Photoshop color edit I've ever seen, because I haven't got a
> >CLUE how they could have pulled this off as digital alteration.
>
> I'd say fairly easily. :)
>
> http://members.aol.com/zobovor/supreme_cheetor_repaint.gif
Ooooh, you made it exceptionally grainy and picked something easy, something
with light colors and changed to ... a light purple. Convinced ME.
I have, however, tried to restore red and beige to the pics, and couldn't do
it, and I've spent several years on Photoshop. And looking at the other
pics, nothing I've seen is anywhere as precise as an edit this pic would
need to be.
> >So the question becomes what it actually IS, since all the evidence
> >points to this thing being an actual physical, tangible object produced
> >in those colors.
>
> It seems to me that unless the seller were fairly ignorant, he would have
> played up the rarity and collectibility of this piece somehow.
I thought he had. And from looking at other overseas-seller auctions, they
don't seem to go on and on and on and on about rarity and collector value
and all that like, well, most everything else on eBay regardless of actual
rarity. Just a general observation. And I mean, the guy's apparently new to
eBay, why should he have the selling "vibe" down?
> And even if
> this *were* a legitimate Hasbro toy that's up for release, I sincerely
doubt
> that it would come packaged in the 1999 box design.
This is why "test run" (or sample or whatever the correct term is) remains a
distinct possibility. Weird shit comes out of Hasbro factories all the time.
I mean, if it is something Hasbro did/does intend to release, it's gonna go
through various stages, there's gonna be pieces made, final packaging or
not.
> >> How insane is it to buy imaginary toys from people with
> >> zero feedback anyway?
> >
> >EVERYONE who has ever been on eBay had zero feedback at some
> >point. You don't start with a little star by your name.
>
> That's not the point, Ironhide. I personally wouldn't bid on *any* toy
whose
> existence is questionable at best, zero feedback or no.
But "zero feedback" keeps getting dredged up. If it's not the point, why do
people keep wailing "zero feedback! Zero feedback!"?
M "No, I Wouldn't Bid On It Either, Simply Because I Know It'll Be Too Damn
Expensive By The End Of The Auction Regardless Of Whether Or Not We See It
On Retail Shelves" Sipher
Autobot32
OUT of the box. They scanned and scanned and scanned again. This is NOT a
Photoshop trick. Want the links about it? Here ya go:
http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
icID=13038.topic
http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
icID=12942.topic
There ya go boyos
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VîçéGŽěpX
> Yeah it's real. They got an internal picture of the box and one of the
toy
> OUT of the box. They scanned and scanned and scanned again. This is NOT a
> Photoshop trick. Want the links about it? Here ya go:
>
>
http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
> icID=13038.topic
>
>
http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
> icID=12942.topic
>
> There ya go boyos
It would have been nice to let us know that the pics weren't on the first
page of those discussions. Gah! Reading the AllSpark for more than a minute
is a real pain. I really enjoy waiting for all the pics to load (or try
to).
Well, even with new pics (thanks to Liokaiser for hosting them):
http://www.crosswinds.net/~liokaiser/tm2mm2.jpg (or try
http://www.crosswinds.net/~liokaiser/ and then the image link since
Crosswinds doesn't like direct image linking), it's still a repaint of a
crappy toy.
Now, the only question is, what's the point? Is it a Botcon exclusive? A
general release repaint like Wal-Rattrap and Tripredacus Agent? Or
something more? </Dinobot>
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Irrellius King of the Potato People
irrellevant Allspark sigs?
If it is a Botcon exclusive, then cool. With this and TM2 megs, we get a
fire&ice thing going.
<< Yeah it's real. They got an internal picture of the box and one of the toy
OUT of the box. They scanned and scanned and scanned again. This is NOT a
Photoshop trick. Want the links about it? Here ya go:
http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
icID=13038.topic
http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
icID=12942.topic
There ya go boyos >>
Irrellius King of the Potato People
page of those discussions. Gah! Reading the AllSpark for more than a minute
is a real pain. I really enjoy waiting for all the pics to load (or try
to). >>
DIE ALLSPARK!!!
<< Well, even with new pics (thanks to Liokaiser for hosting them):
http://www.crosswinds.net/~liokaiser/tm2mm2.jpg >>
Now THAT pic looks Photoshopped, the Op Primal logo just seemingly floating
there, Every part that was darker on TM2 Megs is darker on this guy, same with
lighter parts. Also, it'd be a pain in the ass to stand him on a card like
that.
Sky, Unicron's Advocate
> Yeah it's real. They got an internal picture of the box and one of the
toy
> OUT of the box. They scanned and scanned and scanned again. This is NOT a
> Photoshop trick. Want the links about it? Here ya go:
http://www.crosswinds.net/~liokaiser/tm2mm2.jpg
Try the one above, and it looks just as fake as the original. This time
he's floating on top of a Beast machines blister pack. If you ask me, these
'Allspark' people are far too naive and too lacking in cynicm.
By the way, I have a MIB Ark if they want to buy one:~
Sky Shadow. (In addition to all this, apparently "Happygrass" also ended
the auction early...).
Autobot32
the time (or the NEED) to memorize them. If you don't like the
ALLSpark.....don't go there.
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"VîçéG®ìpX" <orio...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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> VîçéG®ìpX - Forget the counsel, my pants have spoken.
noname
How eles could you send it?
Rob Brunskill
manipulation. It took a little under 60 minutes.
You can see the result at
http://members.macconnect.com/users/r/robb/megatron.html
I will be the first to admit that the final version is a hack job, but I'm
not making $80+ per hour doing this...
Rob
PS: I hope he didn't send the payment...
Autobot32
there. Ask someone who's been looking around the threads to place the
picture links on here. I'm tired of hearing people get bitchy and whiney
about the ALLSpark. The only reason you people hate it is because you were
never accepted.
That's YOUR fault. Not the 'Spark's.
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"Irrellius King of the Potato People" <ob1k...@aol.completeass> wrote in
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Zobovor
> http://members.aol.com/zobovor/supreme_cheetor_repaint.gif
>
>Ooooh, you made it exceptionally grainy and picked something easy,
>something with light colors and changed to ... a light purple. Convinced
>ME.
Bite me, Sipher.
Zobovor... hey, it was the only image of a boxed toy I could find on my hard
drive. :)
Chrioboy
to fill in the gaps, and the left wing is behind one of the cards. I tried
placing my TM2 megs on a couple of carded figs and it worked fine.
Hmm....
Well I'm not Jesus but you can spank my ass or crucify me if this isn't a the
real deal. But why would hasbro do a repaint this toy? I for one love tm2 megs
except for that big ass left arm.......
Growl1
>there. Ask someone who's been looking around the threads to place the
>picture links on here. I'm tired of hearing people get bitchy and whiney
>about the ALLSpark. The only reason you people hate it is because you were
>never accepted.
>
>That's YOUR fault. Not the 'Spark's.
>
Aaaaand you need to chill out. Some people don't like the AllSpark's forum.
They are allowed too. You're just taking a little too much personal offense
here. Just take a few breaths before you respond next time, and you'll do fine.
Roar, glad he doesn't stick up for ATT everytime it gets slammed. Cause hell,
I'd never be able to shut up.:)
M Sipher
news:9d6l01$df4$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
> Now, the only question is, what's the point? Is it a Botcon exclusive? A
> general release repaint like Wal-Rattrap and Tripredacus Agent? Or
> something more? </Dinobot>
I'm of the opinion "canned FK-style recolor".
M "Between Recolors Not Selling And The Trouble With Large-Ticket Items
Hasbro's Had As Of Late..." Sipjer
Prime Saber
>
> I decided to see just how easy it is to do the required photoshop
> manipulation. It took a little under 60 minutes.
>
> You can see the result at
> http://members.macconnect.com/users/r/robb/megatron.html
That last pic should take only a second to do. :)
> PS: I hope he didn't send the payment...
Swindle: "It's too late, Galvatron." :)
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Overlord of Japanese TFs from Headmasters through Car Robots at
http://www.primesaber.com
M Sipher
news:B71C98AA.67CD%rbrun...@adelphia.net...
> I decided to see just how easy it is to do the required photoshop
> manipulation. It took a little under 60 minutes.
>
> You can see the result at
> http://members.macconnect.com/users/r/robb/megatron.html
>
> I will be the first to admit that the final version is a hack job, but I'm
> not making $80+ per hour doing this...
Whlie I commend you on a good Photoshop job, the "final" version still has
far to many differences from the TM2 Megs sitting right in front of me...
and it's those little differences that yell at me...
Among other hings, the chrome bits. Lord, are they DARK. Blood-clot red
dark. Megsie here's red chrome is only distinguishable from the other red
bits because of the shine. And the belly-plate in dragon mode lacks the
fade-to-gold/orange totally.
The knee wheel-gear things also don't look right to me. Instead of rich dark
purple... they're dull and lighter than they should be.
The wings also end up less orangey and more yellow, with the paint wash more
brown than purply.
The dragon-mode eyes ain't right in EITHER version. The "made red" picture
ends up with light aqua blue. They should be the same rich green as the
robot mode eyes.
Plus the orange head helmet detail paint ends up lavender in both pictures
as well.
And as for people wailing about it "floating"... I mean, jeez, people. Megs
isn't exactly the most flat-footed toy Hasbro's ever made. I've got Meggy
standing pretty much right as he is in that picture on my desk, and
everything lines up. Plus how much dark shadow are you gonna GET on
something almost totally transparent like a toy package bubble? The shadows
fall where they should.
YES, it is conceivable this guy went to great lengths to do a lot of little
different things at various stages to produce a doctored pic of a
nonexistent blue TM2 Megatron. But frankly, it seems like a shitload of work
for not much payoff and a bit too much risk.
M "Frankly, I'm Of The Opinion The Picture Is Of A Genuine Item. The
Question Becomes Why This Was Made, And If This Puppy Joins The Ranks Of The
G2 Protectobots And Combat Hero Optimus..." Sipher
Sky, Unicron's Advocate
> YES, it is conceivable this guy went to great lengths to do a lot of
little
> different things at various stages to produce a doctored pic of a
> nonexistent blue TM2 Megatron. But frankly, it seems like a shitload of
work
> for not much payoff and a bit too much risk.
As we've said, what's he risking? He has little or no feedback, he has no
reputation and he can just disappear.
And if I could put that little amount of work in
to make nearly $90 US I'd be able to make a living out of it:)
Sky Shadow.
VîçéGŽěpX
> >You know what? If you got a problem with the ALLSpark....don't FUCKIN' go
> >there.
Sheesh! Such anger and hostility over an off-color remark. Chill out,
dude.
> >Ask someone who's been looking around the threads to place the
> >picture links on here. I'm tired of hearing people get bitchy and whiney
> >about the ALLSpark. The only reason you people hate it is because you
were
> >never accepted.
HA! That's a good one. I dont' like it because of the insane amounts of
image files people use. And that a number of them defend net-piracy. But,
that's another story altogether.
> >That's YOUR fault. Not the 'Spark's.
I wasn't looking for fault. Although I have to admit to wanting to point
the finger at you for getting all bent out of shape.
> Aaaaand you need to chill out. Some people don't like the AllSpark's
forum.
> They are allowed too.
What do you mean? We should all conform to one opinion. That way there
would be no more arguments. :)
> You're just taking a little too much personal offense
> here. Just take a few breaths before you respond next time, and you'll do
fine.
Breathe in. Breathe out.
> Roar, glad he doesn't stick up for ATT everytime it gets slammed. Cause
hell,
> I'd never be able to shut up.:)
Amen. :)
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M Sipher
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> M Sipher wrote:
>
> > YES, it is conceivable this guy went to great lengths to do a lot of
> little
> > different things at various stages to produce a doctored pic of a
> > nonexistent blue TM2 Megatron. But frankly, it seems like a shitload of
> work
> > for not much payoff and a bit too much risk.
>
> As we've said, what's he risking? He has little or no feedback, he has no
> reputation and he can just disappear.
eBay requires a valid credit card for you to sell items. That's how they
take their percentage of the winnings.
In other words, something trackable.
M "And If Someone's Gonna Go Through All That Effort For A Fake Auction,
You'd Think The Potential Payoff'd Be A LOT Higher" Sipher
Giga...@webtv.net
TM2 meg perhaps re-post them on ATT or e-mail me the pics. the name
HAPPYGRASS alone should make the buyer concerned.
Walkerton
> You'd Think The Potential Payoff'd Be A LOT Higher" Sipher
Hate to play devil's advocate, Siph. (Okay, I *love* to play devil's
advocate, but hey...)
But... 80 bucks seems pretty good to me.
Um... anyone want a completely grayscale Nightscream?
--David
"If given the chance, I could sell any knockoff.... any knockoff..."
www.itswalky.com
Rob Brunskill
msi...@mindspring.com wrote on 5/8/01 3:06 AM:
>
> eBay requires a valid credit card for you to sell items. That's how they
> take their percentage of the winnings.
>
Ebay requires a valid credit card, not a legal one.
I bought a volume of the English edition of Five Star Stories from a guy in
New York. He sold all sorts of anime items on eBay, built up a 200+ rating.
Then a few weeks after my purchase, he stops listing anime items and lists
at least a dozen laptops selling for $1000+. The computer sales were all
fraudulent, but no one questioned his credibility because he had a great
rating. Within a couple weeks people realized they had been taken, but the
only contact information he gave out was a private mail box. I don't know if
eBay ever tracked the guy down. If someone can do that from New York,
imagine what they could get away with from half a world away.
Rob
Punicron
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Hey, anyone want the one TV-accurate Strika made before they decided they'd
prefer to annoy everyone by making it grey? A guy from Hasbro came to my
house one night and told me to keep it safe, but the only new toy they've
released here in months is Nightscream, so screw them :)
http://website.lineone.net/~punicron/tv_strika.jpg
Yours for only 3 gajillion UK pounds!
I'll also throw in the new Botcon exclusive 'Wrecker' Mirage!
http://website.lineone.net/~punicron/ultramirage.jpg
Buy buy buy!! C-10 CASE FRESH!!!! MISB!!! Elvis himself will deliver it
directly to your door!!!!!
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Daniel M. Skatter
"Punicron" <puni...@nospamforme.lineone.net> wrote:
> http://website.lineone.net/~punicron/ultramirage.jpg
Oh my GOD, that looks sweet. Hasbro could do worse than releasing a
recolored Mirage like that...
Put me down for twenty cases. ;) So how long did it take to photoshop
this?
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Punicron wrote
>http://website.lineone.net/~punicron/ultramirage.jpg
I actually like the colors on Mirage, but this scheme is better. If it
were an Autobot instead of a Vehicon.
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noname
On Mon, 7 May 2001 16:36:14 +1000, "Sky, Unicron's Advocate"
<jorda...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>I wrote:
>
>> Plus, as Zobovor said, "You can get a better feel for the seller's
>> photomanipulation skills by looking at the other auction he's got going",
>> which was the same thing done to bootleg Constructicons, although we can't
>> tell now, because 'Happygrass' has conveniently removed all trace of the
>> pictures from eBay.
>
>Sorry, I was wrong. He's only removed traces of the Blue TM2 Megatron.
>He's selling a second bootleg Constructicon set at:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=586500647
>
>Just in case anyone wants to bid:~
>
>Sky Shadow.
>
noname
like 1000+ pics of toys
On Mon, 7 May 2001 02:35:45 -0400 (EDT), Giga...@webtv.net wrote:
>Are there any e-bay pics or internet pics of blue TM2 Megatron. I would
>really like to see a pic or two of the color variation toy.
>
>
noname
wrote:
>Autobot32 wrote...
>> Yeah it's real. They got an internal picture of the box and one of the
>toy
>> OUT of the box. They scanned and scanned and scanned again. This is NOT a
>> Photoshop trick. Want the links about it? Here ya go:
>>
>>
>http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
>> icID=13038.topic
>>
>>
>http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
>> icID=12942.topic
>>
>> There ya go boyos
>
>It would have been nice to let us know that the pics weren't on the first
>page of those discussions. Gah! Reading the AllSpark for more than a minute
>is a real pain. I really enjoy waiting for all the pics to load (or try
>to).
>
>Well, even with new pics (thanks to Liokaiser for hosting them):
>http://www.crosswinds.net/~liokaiser/tm2mm2.jpg (or try
>http://www.crosswinds.net/~liokaiser/ and then the image link since
>Crosswinds doesn't like direct image linking), it's still a repaint of a
>crappy toy.
Thats such a bad pic that its hard to tell if its just not another
fake or not
noname
"wasting there time"
On Mon, 7 May 2001 23:14:33 -0400, "Autobot32" <aut...@alltel.net>
wrote:
Irrellius King of the Potato People
Buy buy buy!! C-10 CASE FRESH!!!! MISB!!! Elvis himself will deliver it
directly to your door!!!!! >>
Elvis? Call me when you get Prime to deliver it.
Elvis is OK, but I'm a transfan dammit.
noname
Don't for get to add that its "RARE & HARD TO FIND!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Giga...@webtv.net
Photoshop could not have done this because the pic was not fuzzy or
blotchy. The toy on the inside was not removed because the twist ties
were in the same original spot. I doubt the toy was painted because the
blue chrome can not be done by a kitbasher. the green translucent wings
are impossible to be done by a kitbasher. I open my boxed toys &
display them for months. I then put them back in there original box.
It is a royal pain in the @$$ to get those twist ties back in there
original positions.
Dusty makes great photoshop images like green buildking but this guy
must have taken a picture & scanned it.
Punicron
news:17tgftchtijgqjj9l...@4ax.com...
<slaps forehead> That's what I forgot! I knew instinctively there was
something missing from the spiel when I wrote it, but I couldn't put my
finger on it :)
--
Punicron, Devourer of Small Pebbles
Punicron
news:49AE42D986B649D9.B17EA06B...@lp.airnews.net...
> In article <tfgn5r3...@corp.supernews.co.uk>,
> "Punicron" <puni...@nospamforme.lineone.net> wrote:
>
> > http://website.lineone.net/~punicron/ultramirage.jpg
>
> Oh my GOD, that looks sweet. Hasbro could do worse than releasing a
> recolored Mirage like that...
>
> Put me down for twenty cases. ;) So how long did it take to photoshop
> this?
20 cases? I'll tell Elvis to start the Burgermobile :)
That one took about half an hour, it was never really intended for human
consumption - The masking is a really crappy job, (but now I'm thinking,
probably good enough for ebay) I was just trying to see what a red Mirage
would look like before actually buying the paint and doing it for
real...didn't really pan out with the final result, unless I can get my
hands on a cheap vacuum metallizing setup :)
Zobovor
>Pqnicrqn, waiting for the money to come rolling in....
Heh heh. Pqnicrqn.
Hugo
I have photoshop but I don't know nuch about it. just how can you
recolor a toy like this? i tried multiple times, but no success.. could you
tell me the basics? I'll figure out the rest.
thanks
Hugo
"Punicron" <puni...@nospamforme.lineone.net> a écrit dans le message news:
tfh11m9...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
Hugo
"Hugo" <gra...@globetrotter.net> a écrit dans le message news:
YT1K6.2628$Ui.7...@news.globetrotter.net...
Rob Brunskill
there are a few quirks that indicate it could be real (such as the head
being the same color as the rest of the body - and not because it can't be
done, but because someone probably wouldn't do it). Fortunately, we only
have to wait a few weeks and then we will know. Whoever has Neo's ear, tell
him to let us all know if it shows up on his door step.
With that out of the way...
in article 23215-3A...@storefull-297.iap.bryant.webtv.net,
Giga...@webtv.net at Giga...@webtv.net wrote on 5/8/01 6:23 PM:
> I finally got to see the pics of blue TM2 megatron & it looks real.
> Photoshop could not have done this because the pic was not fuzzy or
> blotchy.
I am absolutely fascinated that the people who are saying blue Megs is real
are giving "it doesn't look photoshopped" as a reason. Photoshop is a
professional tool. It gets used in all manner of photo manipulations.
Have none of you even gone to have your picture taken? Haven't you noticed
or been told that the sample shots you choose from will not look exactly
like the final print? The final print still looks real, doesn't it? Photos
get doctored ALL THE TIME. In the old days it was airbrushing, now it's
Photoshop. In skilled hands an artist could relocate your head to your ass,
give you green skin, and make it look like you were born that way. It all
comes down to how much skill the artist has and how much time he wants to
put into it.
If the final picture is fuzzy or blotchy, it is not because Photoshop was
used, it is because the artist didn't know what they were doing, the
original photo was that way, or they did a poor job of compressing it for
the web.
The web is also a VERY LOW RESOLUTION medium. Monitors only display 72 to 96
dots per inch. A quality photograph's resolution is in the thousands. Print
out those pictures of Megatron on a printer at 72 or 96 dpi and it will look
like crap!
Have a look at this picture (which is my current desktop)...
http://home8.highway.ne.jp/soumiya/schenkel_Web.jpg
I can tell you that Photoshop WAS NOT used to doctor this photo, so I guess
that means that there is a 10 meter, 4-legged robot on Mars?
And for those who might argue that it's a different kind of manipulation,
the key to doing both manipulations well is good masking. With a good mask,
most of the other changes are very easy. (BTW, delete the image name to find
out what was used)
If an artist really wants to, they can go in and redo every pixel of a
photo. The only real limits are time and skill. Assuming that the blue Megs
image is faked, would it be worth the artist's time? I would guess someone
with skill could do it to a quality level that would look like a real photo
on the web in under two hours. Would it be worth their time? Well, what
SHOULD this item have sold for? Most prototypes and rarities of this sort
would sell for well over $100. Probably way higher. The only thing that kept
the price down was that people saw that the seller was new to eBay, and
assumed it was a scam. It would be easy to create a new account on eBay and
pull a quick scam. Yes, eBay requires a credit card, but the owner of that
card probably won't see what's billed on it until the end of the month.
But this leads to the one fact that I think is a possible clue that it could
be real. The head on the loose pic is colored the same as the body, and not
darker like the original toy. It's possible to color it that way, but it
would probably be one of the more time-consuming parts of the job, without
adding realism to the overall appearance of the image.
So the real answer is the only way to know is to have the physical toy in
your hands, or the hands of someone you trust.
With my current job, I wouldn't be willing to wage $80 on whether it's real
or not. With the job I interviewed for recently, I would. It's a sweet deal
for Neo if the thing is for real. Even if it is one of the BotCon exclusives
as a few have guessed, resellers will probably be charging more for it in
their stores than Neo paid, and the auctions on eBay will probably be high
ticket. If a reputable retailer had this one-of-a-kind item in his store, it
would probably be marked at a minimum of several hundred.
Can you imagine what this would have gone for if a little news about it had
circulated before the auction, or if someone like SPQQKY was selling it?
Rob
Chrioboy
>would look like before actually buying the paint and doing it for
>real...didn't really pan out with the final result,
Well you'll have to stick with yellow on the ALL the joints. I tried making an
adidas sponsered indy car but i ended up with a messy jointed race car with a
very removable head.
Marv (Chris)
real...>>
Of course it does! You can do remarkable things on a computer.
manipulating images is one of them. cool huh?
<<...Photoshop could not have done this because the pic was not fuzzy or
blotchy...>>
Ah, yes it can if taken the time to do so.
<<...The toy on the inside was not removed because the twist ties were
in the same original spot...>>
The twist ties will always be in the same spot due to the holes on the
insert.
<<...I doubt the toy was painted because the blue chrome can not be done
by a kitbasher...>>
It can be done. accepted that it takes a lot of work and the right
paints.
<<//the green translucent wings are impossible to be done by a
kitbasher...>>
Not really! All one has to do is remove the original wings and make
molds. From that you can make a new set of wings in translucent plastic
of any color.
<<...Dusty makes great photoshop images like green buildking but this
guy must have taken a picture & scanned it..>>
Well that or he just used a digital camera and uploaded it into his PC.
Marv
M Sipher
> Ok, first of all, I believe the picture is a fake.
Well, I'm not so sure myself. Yeah, it's cretainly conceivable, but still.
> I also acknowledge that
> there are a few quirks that indicate it could be real (such as the head
> being the same color as the rest of the body - and not because it can't be
> done, but because someone probably wouldn't do it).
Well, for me it's that combined with a lot of other little things we see in
the "re-redded" pictures, which I went over in another post. Lots of little
things that seem like a long way to go to mask a fraud. Which I fully admit
if *I* were to try to pull off a scam in this manner I'd do, but A) I don't
scam and B) it seems, well, wrong to accuse this seller of such without any
real evidence other than the fact that a blue Megatron was unheard of before
now.
(I mean, hell, if you're gonna discount anything new and unheard of as a
scam off the bat...)
> Fortunately, we only
> have to wait a few weeks and then we will know. Whoever has Neo's ear,
tell
> him to let us all know if it shows up on his door step.
I'm patient. If it shows up, hooray. If not, well, who knows. (I've had crap
shipped to and from that portion of the world... it do take a while and has
some risks attached in the form of "will it show up in this month or at
all?"...)
> With that out of the way...
>
> in article 23215-3A...@storefull-297.iap.bryant.webtv.net,
> Giga...@webtv.net at Giga...@webtv.net wrote on 5/8/01 6:23 PM:
>
> > I finally got to see the pics of blue TM2 megatron & it looks real.
> > Photoshop could not have done this because the pic was not fuzzy or
> > blotchy.
>
> I am absolutely fascinated that the people who are saying blue Megs is
real
> are giving "it doesn't look photoshopped" as a reason. Photoshop is a
> professional tool. It gets used in all manner of photo manipulations.
Well, I think you're making the mistake of taking any damn thing Deathy says
with any degree of seriousness.
> If an artist really wants to, they can go in and redo every pixel of a
> photo. The only real limits are time and skill.
Agreed. But just because it CAN be done is not proof it IS done in any given
case. All the "funny" "rare toy" pics that have popped up really don't
proove anything other than reconfirming the existance of photo-altering
technology.
> Assuming that the blue Megs
> image is faked, would it be worth the artist's time? I would guess someone
> with skill could do it to a quality level that would look like a real
photo
> on the web in under two hours. Would it be worth their time?
I've studied the mofo, and frankly, if he's that good, there's gotta be
easier ways (not to mention having more opportunities for repeat payments)
of making money off this skill than a one-shot eBay scam. Because the guy's
got one helluvan eye for detail if he did alter it in all those little ways.
> But this leads to the one fact that I think is a possible clue that it
could
> be real. The head on the loose pic is colored the same as the body, and
not
> darker like the original toy. It's possible to color it that way, but it
> would probably be one of the more time-consuming parts of the job, without
> adding realism to the overall appearance of the image.
Yeah, among other "changes" like the hyperdark chrome.
For me, the only *real* things AGAINST this being real are the fact that
no-one had heard of it before and that no-one has heard of the person who
brought it to our attention. The fact that photo manipulation is possible is
really pretty minor.
There's not a whole hell of a lot backing it up being real, mind. I mean, I
went over the pictures pretty well, and didn't see any slip-ups... which
either means it's legit or he's a damn good con. And while I am a cynical
suspicious bastard, I'm also more than willing to go "huh, maybe my initial
impression's wrong" after doign some research.
> So the real answer is the only way to know is to have the physical toy in
> your hands, or the hands of someone you trust.
Or if we hear word from someone we trust. If Ben Yee says it's the real
deal, well, frankly, I'm inclined to beleive him.
> With my current job, I wouldn't be willing to wage $80 on whether it's
real
> or not.
Well, I wouldn't either, but then again, I wouldn't pay that for the canned
recolors that I KNOW exist in small numbers.
> It's a sweet deal
> for Neo if the thing is for real.
No kidding.
> Even if it is one of the BotCon exclusives
> as a few have guessed,
Well, my guess is "canned planned recolor". Seems rather Fox-Kids-releasy,
and considering recolors and larger items didn't apparently do as well as
Hasbro'd hoped, I can see this thing getting the axe. Seems the most likely
outcome should it prove to be real.
> Can you imagine what this would have gone for if a little news about it
had
> circulated before the auction, or if someone like SPQQKY was selling it?
Eeeg. Where do people get that kind of money, and why spend it on stuff like
that?
M "I Mean, It's Neat And All, But..." Sipher
Walkerton
> and B) it seems, well, wrong to accuse this seller of such without any
> real evidence other than the fact that a blue Megatron was unheard of
before
> now.
Yeah. Remember when Forky, LV, and Trix were the first to stumble onto
the Dinobot/Prowl recolors? Geez, everyone called them frauds. It's also
funny how no one ever apologized after they were proven to be asses.
--David
www.itswalky.com
Slumbersix
figure behind the bubble of the package next to it... i think that would be
kinda hard to toss in there, dont you?
God bless,
joe
>
>Try the one above, and it looks just as fake as the original. This time
>he's floating on top of a Beast machines blister pack. If you ask me, these
>'Allspark' people are far too naive and too lacking in cynicm.
>
M Sipher
news:20010509130214...@ng-cb1.aol.com...
> >Try the one above, and it looks just as fake as the original. This time
> >he's floating on top of a Beast machines blister pack.
Addressed this one. You're not gonna get a solid black shadow on a
TRANSPARENT SHEET OF PLASTIC.
> >If you ask me, these
> >'Allspark' people are far too naive and too lacking in cynicm.
And as probably one of the more cynical bastards I know, I say some people
around here have far too MUCH. Cycnicism is nice and all, but at some point
you need to let it go.
> but if you take a look... you can actually see one or more of the toes of
the
> figure behind the bubble of the package next to it... i think that would
be
> kinda hard to toss in there, dont you?
Not really, but not a detail one would normally think of unless they were
REALLY trying. Alongside several others in the picture.
M "I Mean, Accusing Him Of Photo-Editing A Megatron Onto A Picture Where
There Was None Before? Isn't That A LITTLE Farfetched, Not To Mention Kinda
Dumb Considering There's Easier Fakery Methods?" Sipher
Autobot32
Check out his review here....
http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
icID=13224.topic
Yep it's at the ALLSpark....I don't want to hear a damn thing about it, just
read.
AND IT IS BLUE. Damn cynics. -_-
--
Autobot32 (A.K.A. TheSuper Fire Convoy)
"noname" <fda...@jklfda.com> wrote in message
news:32qgftoghdn3kfejk...@4ax.com...
Zobovor
>Yep it's at the ALLSpark....I don't want to hear a damn thing about it,
>just read.
Could you transcribe it here, perhaps?
Rob Brunskill
wrote on 5/10/01 11:25 PM:
> Well guess what everyone?! THE BUYER GOT IT.
>
> Check out his review here....
>
> http://pub13.ezboard.com/ftheallsparkbeastmachinesdiscussion.showMessage?top
> icID=13224.topic
>
> Yep it's at the ALLSpark....I don't want to hear a damn thing about it, just
> read.
>
> AND IT IS BLUE. Damn cynics. -_-
Cool. I liked it.
And I wasn't a cynic, I was a skeptic.
Seems doubtful the figure will ever be main-streamed, so I guess it's a
barely produced recolor, or an exclusive.
Of course $80 will probably be the lowest price I'll ever see him for.
Now that's more of a cynical statement.
Rob
Rob Brunskill
zob...@aol.com wrote on 5/11/01 1:17 AM:
Here are the links:
http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/bluemegshead.jpg
http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/bluemegswing.jpg
http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/bluemegs.jpg
The spark is the same as the regular version, and the same copyright
information is printed in the same location.
Rob
Giga...@webtv.net
SPQQKY sold the blue megs then I would have believed it. How in God's
name does a seller on e-bay with zero feedback have the inside
connections to get a RARE store or Botcon exclusive. I suspect the
person who bid on the auction & received the toy is behind the HOAX. In
other words, the seller & the buyer are the same guy who did the HOAX.
Sure it doesn't ,make sense because the seller must pay a fee to e-bay
because his auction was successful. I have seen more crazy things in
the TF fandom & this scenario is no different. The HOAX could have been
done by photo shop or the toy could of been removed from the box &
painted. I will believe a TM2 blue Megatron exist ONLY when I see it as
a store exclusive or Botcon exclusive.
M Sipher
news:9dfm2a$ito$1...@iac5.navix.net...
> Well guess what everyone?! THE BUYER GOT IT.
>
> Check out his review here....
Well, since I severely doubt someone would lie about getting it after
spending that kinda money and not getting a damn blue Megatron, I guess that
kinda kills the "Photoshop fake" theory.
If/when the dude finds the Hasbro/Takara copyright, that should kill the
"knockoff" theory.
Which only leaves... why, and how many exist?
M "Or Will Exist?" Sipher
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guy scanned.
http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/bluemegshead.jpg
http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/bluemegswing.jpg
http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/bluemegs.jpg
I will say one thing.....I want one!
Marv
Giga...@webtv.net
I am A bit skeptical because the sources who both & sold the toy are not
very reliable sources. When a more reliable source steps forth &
confirms that the toy exist then I will believe it. I am not talking
about 1 singular blue TM2 megatron, I mean mass produced.
As it is now the singular toy could have been kitbashed or photoshoped.
Autobot32
neotrion
Citizen
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i got it the other day:
i think its very cool, i'll try to take some pics soon.
i don't see any reason to believe its a knock off,
its blue and teal right down to the core.
There is absolutely no hint of any red, orange and yellow, except for the
eyes which are yellow.
Like the red version, the wings are made with clear transparent plastic
which is tinted black, blue, teal. Instead of purple and orange.
I don't think this is possible to make, unless it was made in factory - at a
hasbro affiliate.
So i do beleive this is a Hasbro made TM2 Megatron, wheather or not they
make more, i guess will just have to seel.
Over all, i think this is an awesome repaint,
if they had made an equal ammount of blue and red megatrons, i probably
would prefer red, but since i have never seen one of these before, i have to
say i like it better. The Red Megatron is one of the few toys i have
displayed in my computer room, so i see him everyday. That makes my blue
Megatron seem so much cooler, and odd.
neotrion
Citizen
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the twisty ties where retied,
he (the seller) said he only opened the package to take some personal
pictures so he could keep them.
does anyone know where the copyright/date are on this figure?
The PumaMan
Citizen
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I'm really interested to know about it. I know the fella who bought it posts
here. So, if you're reading this, have you gotten it yet? Is it a knock off,
or the real thing? I'm really interested to knw.
Psycho Convoy
Citizen
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Ditto, We need to know...
neotrion
Citizen
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i got it the other day:
i think its very cool, i'll try to take some pics soon.
i don't see any reason to believe its a knock off,
its blue and teal right down to the core.
There is absolutely no hint of any red, orange and yellow, except for the
eyes which are yellow.
Like the red version, the wings are made with clear transparent plastic
which is tinted black, blue, teal. Instead of purple and orange.
I don't think this is possible to make, unless it was made in factory - at a
hasbro affiliate.
So i do beleive this is a Hasbro made TM2 Megatron, wheather or not they
make more, i guess will just have to seel.
Over all, i think this is an awesome repaint,
if they had made an equal ammount of blue and red megatrons, i probably
would prefer red, but since i have never seen one of these before, i have to
say i like it better. The Red Megatron is one of the few toys i have
displayed in my computer room, so i see him everyday. That makes my blue
Megatron seem so much cooler, and odd.
The PumaMan
Citizen
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An easy way to find out if it is the real thing or not would be to check the
copywright date. Like 1998 Hasbro Co. 1998 Takara. I was going to tell you
where to look on the blue one just to see if it's in the same place, but I
can't even find the marking on the red one.
TheGuruNow
had a little rabbit icon
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Something I thought about not too long ago... What if this is really a
Botcon exclusive? (Like many think the blue/white Ravage is?) Perhaps, to
keep from getting in trouble w/ Hasbro, the guy bought a normal TM2 Megs,
tied the blue guy into the box, and then explained away that its being
opened...it's possible.
Neotrion, how was the packaging? Were the twisty-ties and crap all there and
in one piece? (If they were, then my above theory doesn't hold up as
well...)
neotrion
Citizen
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the twisty ties where retied,
he (the seller) said he only opened the package to take some personal
pictures so he could keep them.
does anyone know where the copyright/date are on this figure?
Id Kaine
OYAJIIIIII!!!
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Lemme chuck mine out...
It's under the right half chest plate. The one without the Spark.
Oh, right...what spark is it and what color?
neotrion
Citizen
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i looked under my red megs, and the blue one,
and i couldn't find it on either
The PumaMan
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Crap, my red Megs doesn't have it either. So who has the rare toy here? The
one with the copywright on it? Or the ones without?
Dark Rattrap
Mockicon General
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i couldn't find it either. but its there somewhere.
The PumaMan
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I've looked all over this guy. I cannot find it.
Zac Shipley
Stupid, Stupid, Stupid
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Id sez:
It's under the right half chest plate. The one without the Spark.
thats where it is on mine. I highly doubt its missing from others.
look *carefully*
its not printed very prominently, and very small.
Dark Rattrap
Mockicon General
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oh there it is... it's so small you can't even read it.
The PumaMan
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I did look on the panel with the spark. It's not there.
TheGuruNow
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Unfortunately, finding the copyright stamp doesn't tell us a whole lot of
anything, other than that he's not a knock-off. If it's an earlier version
of TM2 Megs that was never released, the stamp should be there. If it's a
kitbashed red Megs, the stamp should be there. If it's a BotCon exclusive,
the stamp should be there. If it's an upcoming mass-release or even
store-exclusive toy, the stamp will be there. And it should be the same in
all cases.
neotrion
Citizen
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its on the other panel,
ive found it,
Zac was right, it is very, very small, and not very easy to spot.
and yes!!! i have found it in the same spot on the blue megs =)
So there you have it....it IS a copyrighted toy and the plastic IS blue, not
painted like many believed.
Also...Spqqky had the WHITE Ravage and another guy on the ALLSpark had a
GREEN Ramulus....could we be getting some of "The Wreckers" like many hoped?
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Autobot32 (A.K.A. TheSuper Fire Convoy)
"Zobovor" <zob...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Rob Brunskill
Giga...@webtv.net at Giga...@webtv.net wrote on 5/8/01 6:23 PM:
> I finally got to see the pics of blue TM2 megatron & it looks real.
> Photoshop could not have done this because the pic was not fuzzy or
> blotchy. The toy on the inside was not removed because the twist ties
> were in the same original spot. I doubt the toy was painted because the
> blue chrome can not be done by a kitbasher. the green translucent wings
> are impossible to be done by a kitbasher. I open my boxed toys &
> display them for months. I then put them back in there original box.
> It is a royal pain in the @$$ to get those twist ties back in there
> original positions.
> Dusty makes great photoshop images like green buildking but this guy
> must have taken a picture & scanned it.
<bidder receives blue TM2 Megatron and posts more pictures>
in article 19512-3A...@storefull-298.iap.bryant.webtv.net,
Giga...@webtv.net at Giga...@webtv.net wrote on 5/11/01 11:32 AM:
> I am sorry but I just can't believe the TM2 blue Megatron exist. Had
> SPQQKY sold the blue megs then I would have believed it. How in God's
> name does a seller on e-bay with zero feedback have the inside
> connections to get a RARE store or Botcon exclusive. I suspect the
> person who bid on the auction & received the toy is behind the HOAX. In
> other words, the seller & the buyer are the same guy who did the HOAX.
> Sure it doesn't ,make sense because the seller must pay a fee to e-bay
> because his auction was successful. I have seen more crazy things in
> the TF fandom & this scenario is no different. The HOAX could have been
> done by photo shop or the toy could of been removed from the box &
> painted. I will believe a TM2 blue Megatron exist ONLY when I see it as
> a store exclusive or Botcon exclusive.
Brain... hurt...
Sky, Unicron's Advocate
> I am sorry but I just can't believe the TM2 blue Megatron exist. Had
> SPQQKY sold the blue megs then I would have believed it. How in God's
> name does a seller on e-bay with zero feedback have the inside
> connections to get a RARE store or Botcon exclusive. I suspect the
> person who bid on the auction & received the toy is behind the HOAX. In
> other words, the seller & the buyer are the same guy who did the HOAX.
> Sure it doesn't ,make sense because the seller must pay a fee to e-bay
> because his auction was successful. I have seen more crazy things in
> the TF fandom & this scenario is no different. The HOAX could have been
> done by photo shop or the toy could of been removed from the box &
> painted. I will believe a TM2 blue Megatron exist ONLY when I see it as
> a store exclusive or Botcon exclusive.
Deathy, I completely agree with you. (Do you mind being called Deathy?)
And just out of interest, these pictures are on the buyer's website:
http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/greenramulus.jpg
http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/tm2megatron.jpg
Sky Shadow.
Doug Kern
<msi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Autobot32 <aut...@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:9dfm2a$ito$1...@iac5.navix.net...
>
> > Well guess what everyone?! THE BUYER GOT IT.
> >
> > Check out his review here....
>
> Well, since I severely doubt someone would lie about getting it after
> spending that kinda money and not getting a damn blue Megatron, I guess
> that
> kinda kills the "Photoshop fake" theory.
>
> If/when the dude finds the Hasbro/Takara copyright, that should kill the
> "knockoff" theory.
And as an update, he has found the copyright. This thing is the real
McCoy folks, deal with it.
> Which only leaves... why, and how many exist?
I am so hoping that we can get this recolor. I love the use of colors
on him, especially the choice to use grey for the rubbery parts.
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Doug Kern
AKA
Monocle
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Zobovor
>And just out of interest, these pictures are on the buyer's website:
>
>http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/greenramulus.jpg
>
>http://www.thisone.cc/tfs/tm2megatron.jpg
Well, this is an interesting sight... yesss. Okay, for the moment I'm going to
assume that these are genuine toys.
I'd say anything is fair game at this point. I'd be tempted to say that these
aren't the BotCon exclusives since they're not in the usual custom packaging,
but using the existing package design would make the toys look more authentic
and save money at the same time, so... who knows?
I'd say that we're *not* going to see these in stores, since if they were
repaints planned for 2001, they would have the "Watch it on FOX Kids!" sticker
on the front of the package in some capacity. (Actually, I wouldn't put it
past Hasbro to try to sell a TM2 Megatron repaint as part of the BM Dinobots
assortment.)
In any event, assuming these toys are made available to the public in some form
or another, I don't think we'll see them in this packaging.
Zobovor, who remembers being very skeptical when somebody posted that there
were BW toys coming out named Grimlock and Lazorbeak...
Jarodimus
>
> I am sorry but I just can't believe the TM2 blue Megatron exist. Had
> SPQQKY sold the blue megs then I would have believed it. How in God's
> name does a seller on e-bay with zero feedback have the inside
> connections to get a RARE store or Botcon exclusive.
Oh, definitely. Because EVERYBODY who's ANYBODY is on eBay, has been
for years, and has taken part in thousands of transactions. This guy
probably doesn't have any friends either. I mean, *I* wouldn't trust
him. Running around with zero feedback like that -- geez!
Whatever, Deathy....
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Jarodimus
Current Collection Count: 181
Newest Additions: BM "Windcharger" (Battle Unicorn)
CR Black Convoy
Winner of the first two ZemoTrivias!
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- anth...@my-deja.com
Autobot32
they'd be mass produced. Just that it EXISTS. You have a picture. You have
the words of the seller and the buyer. Shut the fuck up and accept that YOU
ARE WRONG. This is exactly why NO ONE likes you.
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Autobot32 (A.K.A. TheSuper Fire Convoy)
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Zenith
the same. The picture is fake. I can supply pics of megs in any colour you
care to state.
The proof is in the colours in the picture. They are the exact "Inverse" of
the real colour scheme. Here is a fake I did...
www.caliburn.co.uk\graphics\bluemegs.jpg
All I did was swap the red and blue "channels" in photoshop then cut and
paste the blue megs over the old red version. It's also worth noting I only
have one Megs toy. The multiples were acheived using a tripod and several
photos from the same position.
If the forger had been more imaginative with the colour scheme then I may
have beleived it but the fact that the two channels were just swapped is
pure laziness on his part.
Try it yourself.
Load his piccy into photoshop. (The big one with the whole dragon is best)
bring up the "Channels" palette.
Drag the blue channel down to the "New Channel" Icon. You now have a fourth
"Blue Copy" channel.
Select only the red channel.
Press ctrl+A then ctrl+c to copy to copy the red channel to the clipboard.
Select the blue channel and press ctrl+v to paste the red into the blue
channel.
Using the same process again copy the "Blue copy" into the red channel.
Discard the fourth channel.
Look at the picture!
Converted back to the original red and yellow megs. Yes the yellow card
becomes blue but you then just paste in the bits you want to be unaffected.
If I can be bothered I might post an image later showing the results using
his images. Let me know if anyone want me to bother.
As for your post accusing him of being a dumbass and then telling him to
shut the F up , well all I can say is...Mature, very Mature dude.
Zenith.
"Autobot32" <aut...@alltel.net> wrote in message
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Rob Brunskill
Zen...@caliburn.co.uk wrote on 5/12/01 1:17 PM:
> Sorry Autobot32 but you are wrong. I beleive the buyer and seller are one in
> the same. The picture is fake. I can supply pics of megs in any colour you
> care to state.
>
> The proof is in the colours in the picture. They are the exact "Inverse" of
> the real colour scheme. Here is a fake I did...
>
> www.caliburn.co.uk\graphics\bluemegs.jpg
The only thing that really bugs me is that the recolor is NOT a straight
swap of the color channels. Look at the robot head. The seller's loose robot
picture has a blue head that is the same tone as the body, while yours is
darker than the rest of the body.
I'm not saying it can't be faked, I was arguing that it was probably a fake.
I am just saying that it is more than a channel swap.
I don't have it in my hands, so I don't have 100% certainty of it existing,
but I figured other associates of the buyer outside of eBay giving
credibility would count for something to me.
If the buyer then turned around and sold it again on eBay, or if the seller
produced another one for sale, that might be suspicious, but until that
happens, there seems to be very little motive for perpetrating a hoax as the
buyer and seller.
I suppose creating a stir is always a possible motive?
Rob
BW Sidecutter
>repaints planned for 2001, they would have the "Watch it on FOX Kids!"
Nope! Not necessarily, anyways. Hasbro dropped the mention of Fox Kids from
the last few Beast Wars Classics recolors that they did. Probably due to FOX
Kids no longer airing the show.
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Zenith
I took the guys own picture of blue megs. I swapped the channels as I
described before (I did nothing more). I then pasted it back onto the yellow
card.
Here is the results:
www.caliburn.co.uk\graphics\conman.jpg
The pic shows the original, the channel swap and the final montage. I can
only assume this guy did it for the "stir" factor.
I beleive my pic is final proof this is a fake. Can we put this to bed now
everyone?
I'm off down the pub now.
Goodnight.
Zenith.
"Zenith" <Zen...@caliburn.co.uk> wrote in message
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Brian Kilby
> Okay, here we go.
>
> I took the guys own picture of blue megs. I swapped the channels as I
> described before (I did nothing more). I then pasted it back onto the
yellow
> card.
>
> Here is the results:
>
> www.caliburn.co.uk\graphics\conman.jpg
>
<Snip>
That rules. I was convinced it was legit, because I couldn't recreate it in
Photoshop. But, of course, my skills are limited. :D
Brian Kilby,
grinning from ear to ear.
Jarodimus
> www.caliburn.co.uk\graphics\conman.jpg
>
> The pic shows the original, the channel swap and the final montage. I can
> only assume this guy did it for the "stir" factor.
>
> I beleive my pic is final proof this is a fake. Can we put this to bed now
> everyone?
I remain unconvinced.
To me, your channel-swapped version of his blue one seems a slightly
darker red than true TM2 Megs (and somewhat tinted toward purplish).
The dragon eyes are aqua instead of bright green. The tail tip is still
bluish, too. The big thing that stands out for me, though, is the fact
that the semi-transparent wing tips still look like they're sitting in
front of a blue background.
That was the main factor that made me think the auction item could be
real -- the wing tips *looked* like transparent blue in front of a
yellow background.
Mind, I've been skeptical about the existence of this puppy from the
get-go. The "floating box" appearance of the original auction picture
was part of the reason. The out-of-nowhere appearance of the recolor
was another. And I'm sure that, with some more tweaking, the "Blue
Megs" picture could be channel-swapped and adjusted to look just like a
red Megs.
But I remain skeptical, unconvinced either way....
Punicron
"Brian Kilby" <Kilb...@abts.net> wrote in message
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differences between the 'colour-corrected' image and a real red Megs - the
chrome's darker and the spark crystal's the wrong colour, but
photomanipulation isn't a two-way process, you can't really 'undo' changes
with any accuracy if they go beyond swapping the channels...
But just because it can be faked doesn't necessarily mean it has been,
especially the picture of the loose toy in front of the monitor that was
posted - ok, so maybe if you're trying to confirm the legitimacy of an image
then slapping an enormous Photoshop-created watermark over the top probably
isn't the best way to remove people's doubts, but if it is a fake, it's an
amazing extraction job - especially with the green Ramulus also showing up,
I'm still tempted to say it is 'true blue', as the saying goes :)...
--
Punicron, Devourer of Small Pebbles
Brian Kilby
"Punicron" <puni...@nospamforme.lineone.net> wrote in message
> But just because it can be faked doesn't necessarily mean it has been,
That's the exact point I made to someone else earlier. Just because it could
be faked, doesn't mean that it has been. Of course, the fact that it has
been recreated this nicely lends credence to the idea that it could be.
Brian Kilby,
not that it's perfect, but recreating it perfectly requires that you do
*exactly* what the "conman" did IF he faked it. Then you have to worry about
compression and other things.
Thylacine 2000
> I'd say anything is fair game at this point. I'd be tempted to say that these
> aren't the BotCon exclusives since they're not in the usual custom packaging,
> but using the existing package design would make the toys look more authentic
> and save money at the same time, so... who knows?
Ooh! Ooh! I do! I do!
Well, okay, no. But I think that one possibility is that these--and likely
more--repaints were in the works for a long time, and that Hasbro told 3H what they
were working on, which led in some part to the creation of the Wreckers roster.
> I'd say that we're *not* going to see these in stores, since if they were
> repaints planned for 2001, they would have the "Watch it on FOX Kids!" sticker
> on the front of the package in some capacity.
I wouldn't worry about that factor. For one thing, Tragent didn't have any such
sticker. For another..... it would be silly if he did, since you can't "watch it"
on FoxKids anymore, now can you? /:)
--
T T T
"BETTER LIVING THROUGH ZOOLOGY!"
"Only the fierce shall live with yo' mama."
noname
cheetor ? Kinda like an unofficial g2 type thing or something
TFG
>"knockoff" theory.
I think he did find it. I seem to remember reading in the thread
somewhere that he found it on his read one, and said it was in the
exact same spot on the blue one.
>Which only leaves... why, and how many exist?
>M "Or Will Exist?" Sipher
very good questions. I'm also wondering what the deal is with the red
geckobot, blue tm2 op minor, and green ramulus.
Matt
Matt
Transformer Graveyard
http://www.powerweb.net/palze
noname
>>If/when the dude finds the Hasbro/Takara copyright, that should kill the
>>"knockoff" theory.
>
>I think he did find it. I seem to remember reading in the thread
>somewhere that he found it on his read one, and said it was in the
>exact same spot on the blue one.
>
>>Which only leaves... why, and how many exist?
>>M "Or Will Exist?" Sipher
>
>very good questions. I'm also wondering what the deal is with the red
>geckobot, blue tm2 op minor, and green ramulus.
>
Theres a blue tm2 minor now?
M Sipher
news:3AFD834E...@iupui.edu...
> Zenith wrote:
> > www.caliburn.co.uk\graphics\conman.jpg
> >
> > The pic shows the original, the channel swap and the final montage. I
can
> > only assume this guy did it for the "stir" factor.
> >
> > I beleive my pic is final proof this is a fake. Can we put this to bed
now
> > everyone?
No, because frankly, it takes more than your ability to make it now a
largely-red item on a yellow background to convince me. But then again, I'm
the kind of person who, oh, LOOKS AT DETAILS BEYOND THE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS.
You know. Research. Look. Observe.
> To me, your channel-swapped version of his blue one seems a slightly
> darker red than true TM2 Megs (and somewhat tinted toward purplish).
Especially the chrome. All of the attempts to re-red the chrome end up this
far too dark blood-clot-red.
> The dragon eyes are aqua instead of bright green. The tail tip is still
> bluish, too.
It's practically GRAY. And look at the REST of the parts that are actually
supposed to be the brownish-gold of the neck-plastic. (I HAVE TM2 Megs right
in front of me as I type this, so I'm checking all the details against this
guy.) The "re-redded" bits are all far too light and sand-colored, with the
bits at the tail losing pretty much ALL color save Generic Computer Casing
Beige.
And look at the Spark Crystal. It's now a dark blueish-purple rather than
the much lighter and slightly reddish tint pretty much all Predacons Sparks
were (offhand I can't think of any Preds that didn't have purple Sparks),
which, hey, whaddayaknow, is the exact same color as the Spark sitting in
the chest of the BLUE one.
And where's the fade-to-gold paint on the belly-chrome?
And should I RE-LIST the things that didn't line up in Rob Brunskill's
attempt to re-red the loose robot-mode photo?
> Mind, I've been skeptical about the existence of this puppy from the
> get-go.
Well, so was I. I've always preferred visual proof of variations whenever
anyone alerted me to them for the That Big TFs Variations List.
And I looked for every mistake I could think of someone making if they were
trying to scam. DETAILS. And all the details said to me "gee, looks like
this is indeed the color the actual physical, tangible object being
photographed is".
> The "floating box" appearance of the original auction picture
> was part of the reason.
I thought I'd addressed this one too. You simply aren't going to get a whole
hell of a lot of dark shadow on something that is pretty much totally
TRANSPARENT. The shadows in the loose pic fall where they should.
> The out-of-nowhere appearance of the recolor
> was another.
Well, odd stuff like this popping up is hardly unheard of for those who've
kept semi-track of the toy line history. Not COMMON, but hey, as of late
we've been finding new information from around the world.
Trailbreaker-headed Hoist (as in, the head is the TB mold but in Hoist's
colors)? How about the various freakazoid color alterations that popped up
in Europe?
Or are we gonna accuse Devvi of rampant photo manipulation too, and come up
with a bunch more crap color-wand alterations of random toys as "proof"?
> And I'm sure that, with some more tweaking, the "Blue
> Megs" picture could be channel-swapped and adjusted to look just like a
> red Megs.
It could, I won't deny that. But just because it concievably COULD, doesn't
mean it WAS.
Quite frankly, there's a few too many tiny changes that would be neccessary
to too many pictures, and far too FEW mistakes and missed details (like,
NONE) to convince me that the blue Megs is fake.
M "And As A Long-Time Paranoid Skeptic, Who Sent You And Is That Your Real
Name?" Sipher
BW Sidecutter
TWO DAYS for thre "buyer" to recieve the toy, from the other side of the world.
Hong Kong or Singapore, that area. No. Way. That package would have had to
have gone by overnight global of some sort that would have cost in excess of
$100. In additon, the seller would have had to have had the tem packed, gotten
it immediately to the postal service, who would have had to immediately turn
around and oput it on a plane, which would have had to leave that night, and
then the package would have had to be transported from the point of import,
most likely California, to the local post office or shipping service branch in
time to be delivered that second day. Sorry, but I don't buy it.
M Sipher
news:20010514044119...@ng-fm1.aol.com...
> I will simply leave this as the biggest problem with the whole thing. 2
days.
> TWO DAYS for thre "buyer" to recieve the toy, from the other side of the
world.
Only two? Seemed like more to me. People had been saying "it went for $80!"
for a few days before the guy posted his "I got it" message.
> Hong Kong or Singapore, that area. No. Way.
Way.
It can be done. I've had packages mailed from the other side of the world
take forever to arrive, but I've also had some show up in record time,
couple days maximum. (Looks at the RockMan 5 character keychain set on the
shelves... that was what, two, three days tops from Japan? Shocked the hell
out of me when they arrived.)
And others have posted their quick-ship stories.
And the implication that the buyer is in on some scam strikes me as odd, in
that... what precisely is there to gain if there's no money involved?
Notoriety? Lots of peole have rare canned toys or whatever (okay, not lots,
but enough), can you name any of them whose last name is not "Hartman" or
"Preto"?
And IF the photos are all fake (and having studied them like Oliver Stone
going over the ZappRuder film, to my eye they look legit), then the people
behind it are very smart and talented to be able to make such incredibly
GOOD fakes very consistantly from picture to picture without missing a
detail... far too smart to try some Deathy-level brain-dead "luk atme im
cooler thn all of u" fame-grab.... and certainly not for a damn BW recolor.
If you're THAT good at photo alteration, take a crack at claiming to have a
blue Bluestreak.
M "The Reasoning Behind It Being Fake Is Proving More Rediculous Than The
Reasoning Behind It Being Real..." Sipher
BW Sidecutter
>that... what precisely is there to gain if there's no money involved?
The gain is being able to fool everyone, and possibly create the next "Blue
Bluestreak". It doesn't have to make logical sense, to some people, it's
enough to know they scammed everyone (or a large number) into believing in
something that doesn't exist, money isn't required. I simply refuse to bite
down on this bait and believe this, with nothing but pics to prove it's truth.
If I saw it, held it in my hands, examined it to be sure it wasn't an excellent
fake or custom, I might believe it. Or if I saw pics of one, NEW pics, from
someone reputable, someone who I'll believe it from, like SPQQKY, the Hartmans,
even Zobovor or Doug Dlin. Or, hey, Neotrion, snail-mail me a Polaroid photo,
since you can't very well fake one of those.
Until then, No. Not buying this just yet. Just because the reverse
manipulations don't come out precisely right, doesn't mean this couldn't have
been faked. Careful masking, even careful cut-and-paste, or a combination of
the two, with some digital editing to do things like even out the head
transparent blue could produce a totally believeable image of this item. Given
a bit of training and a copy of Photoshop, or even better tools, and a little
time, I could do it myself. Just to cite an example of what patientce and
skill can achieve: Long legs are, by society as a general rule, considered a
sexy feature on a woman. VERY commonly, things like cover photos of models are
altered, lengthening the legs (removing little belimishes, skin imperfections,
and a myriad of other things) to add to the allure. When you look at that
crisp, sharp photo on the cover of that magazine, can you tell that the model's
legs were digitally lengthened? No. Your eye can't find trace one of anything
that doesn't look absoloutely real.
>If you're THAT good at photo alteration, take a crack at claiming to have a
>blue Bluestreak.
See above...
>M "The Reasoning Behind It Being Fake Is Proving More Rediculous Than The
>Reasoning Behind It Being Real..." Sipher
You can't prove it definitively, and neither can I. I've stated what I'll
accept as proof: A Polaroid photo in the snail-mail, or a personal encounter
with the item in question to examine it. I will not accept a photo posted to
the web as proof that this exists.
Giga...@webtv.net
making such a big fuss about it. The whole idea of a hasbro secret
employee store is ridiculous. Hasbro isn't that dumb to sell discarded
color variants.
Hasbro is well aware of e-bay & knows the buyers will immediately sell
the color variants there in a heart beat.