How old is Bumblebee, anyway?
Iacon
he just short, like Brawn? The tech specs mention that he idolizes Prime
and Prowl, which would suggest that he's younger than them, but the
specs don't always apply to the TV show. There's just something about
Bumblebee's voice on the show. It's high-pitched like a kid's, but it
also has a knowledgeable sort of edge to it that reveals more maturity.
Personally, I've always though of BB as a good-natured midget (i.e.
Krillin from DBZ) that may have actually been older than some of the
other Autobots, such as Sideswipe or Bluestreak.
In fact, Bumblebee should at least be older than Hot Rod. In the
movie, he had command of an entire moon base, for Cybertron's sake! Oh,
sure, Spike was there too, but humans don't really count- they're the
bait. By contrast, Hot Rod's function was pretty much that of a
baby-sitter and occasional warrior, from what we've seen. And yet he's
the guy who gets to lead. It seems that even on Cybertron, midgets don't
get no respect :-)
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Deszaras
younger than the others. He probably wasnt one of Primes first
subordinates.
General consensus is that Primes original Autobots consisted of just
Ironhide and Elita-One. Prowl, Bluestreak, Hound, Brawn, Ratchet,
Cliffjumper, Kup, Ultra Magnus, and others probably signed up soon after.
I always figured Hot Rod to only be around a thousand years old. A few
hundred at the least. That may seem like a long time to us, but considering
a TFs lifespan can reach millions of years that really isnt too old.
You notice how brash young Autobots can be, just look at most of the
Aerialbots. They arent even three decades old. I feel that when Autobots
build new Autobots they build them so they can mature like many other
lifeforms.
Decepticons on the other hand seem to be bred for warfare, and are already
built to be mature.
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SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo Himself
> Bumblebee is probably 6 million years old or so. Which would make him
> younger than the others. He probably wasnt one of Primes first
> subordinates.General consensus is that Primes original Autobots consisted of just
> Ironhide and Elita-One. Prowl, Bluestreak, Hound, Brawn, Ratchet,
> Cliffjumper, Kup, Ultra Magnus, and others probably signed up soon after.
> I always figured Hot Rod to only be around a thousand years old. A few
> hundred at the least. That may seem like a long time to us, but considering
> a TFs lifespan can reach millions of years that really isnt too old.
> You notice how brash young Autobots can be, just look at most of the
> Aerialbots. They arent even three decades old. I feel that when Autobots
> build new Autobots they build them so they can mature like many other
> lifeforms.
> Decepticons on the other hand seem to be bred for warfare, and are already
> built to be mature.
Conjeeeeecture...
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ZacWilliam
You have to keep in mind that mental age and physical age
are not necessarily the same for TF's. The Aerialbots were all
of a few hours or days old when they first arrived on Earth yet
they were all created by Vector Sigma with what us humans would
consider teen-age to young adult emotional and mental
development.
Therefor Bumblebee could be millions of years
older than say, G1 Silverbolt and still be a "kid" while
Bolt is automaticly born (comes on-line) as
what we'd consider an older teen-ager.
Development over
a life time is an open question for TF's too. Alpha
Trion seems to have grown and aged just like a human
would (complete with facial hair ;) while Orion Pax,
Hot Rod, Bumblebee, and Cheetor all make nearly
instantanious jumps in maturity (to different degrees)
following being rebuilt/altered in to an older-seeming,
more powerful body.
Myself, yeah, I'd say Bumblebee was the youngest
of the original Autobots. His spec and TF Universe
profile always discribed him as the Autobots "little
brother." I'm not sure what age I'd stick to him
(they are aliens, maybe no stage of human
development HAS to fit). I just think that he's
a real capable young bot, thanks to fighting
in the War so long and all. Sort of like Pidge
from Voltron. I always found it hard to stick
and age to him too.
-ZacWilliam, thinking becoming Goldbug,
according to his spec and entry made Bumblebee
grow-up some, and in the Comic when he
becomes a Pretender he seems to mature even
more into an actual leader of Bots,
so by the end of the G1 book he may have
been around the same "mental" maturity as Hot Rod.
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pre-movie era (not as young as Wheelie though). He wasn't really in the
post-movie era enough to judge.
The comic provided a nice way out by making him a little grittier and
meaner as Goldbug. Maybe that's what should have happened as the cartoon
went on and Bumblebee needed to "age": he could have changed physically
from Bumblebee to Goldbug (which he did in TROOP) to Classic Pretender
Bumblebee and then on into something else that was bigger and tougher.
And I'm sure Dan Gilzevan could have come up with an older-sounding voice.
Michael Morbius
> Deszaras wrote:
>> Decepticons on the other hand seem to be bred for warfare, and are already
>> built to be mature.
> Conjeeeeecture...
He has no proof that Decepticons are programmed to be mature, but there is
circumstancial evidence: when have we ever seen a Decepticon with
Bumblebee-like youthfulness?
The closest I can think of is Rumble.
Mike
Michael Morbius
> from Bumblebee to Goldbug (which he did in TROOP) to Classic Pretender
> Bumblebee and then on into something else that was bigger and tougher.
I just remembered that in the comic he *did* act bigger and tougher when
he was in his Classic Pretender shell. ("I love this! Maybe too
much! But I can't help it!...Now that I'm a Pretender, others look up to
me, respect me--even fear me!")
So if the cartoon had lasted long enough to get to that point in the Bee's
life cycle, we might have gotten to see an "older" Bumblebee.
Vendetta
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> General consensus is that Primes original Autobots consisted of just
> Ironhide and Elita-One. Prowl, Bluestreak, Hound, Brawn, Ratchet,
> Cliffjumper, Kup, Ultra Magnus, and others probably signed up soon after.
On the TMUK mailing list, someone mentioned that Magnus was created in
1985...not sure how accurate this is as I don't recall it myself. Anyone
confirm/deny?
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get no respect :-)>>
Brawn got lots of respect..Anyone who didn't like him ended up with his
trademark nickel-knuckle sandwich :)
And we really don't know Hotrod's age. He acts young, but how do you know that
he's not some adult thats just living life to the fullest and with lots of
energy? I'd say he's probably like around 20 earth years old.
Sideswipe and Bluestreak are mature and serious at times, and sometimes not so
mature. Sideswipe is the jokester of the 2, so I'm guessing that sideswipe is
probably around 18 years old, while Bluestreak may be around 22 or so.
Bumblebee is a tough guy to guess his age. Like you said, he's wise, but he has
a high voice like a child. But his actions with Spike may be acting as if they
were peers. If BB was around 14 or 15 back in '85, that'd be around Spike's
age, and that may show how their relationship worked out so well. You gotta
think, why would Spike like to drive around in a Volkswagon, when he can go
around in a Indy car like Mirage, orCountach like Sideswipe/Sunstreaker.
Sideswipe would probably be a chick magnet due to his automotive looks, speed,
and color, but nooooooo, gotta chill with the beetle..So I'm guessing that BB
is Spike's age (14-15 pre movie, 34-35 movie/post movie).
Brawn is probably like 30. He's a highly skilled and powerful midget. He has to
be pretty old because he knows his way around (i.e Microbots, when they're
inside Megatron. He guides the autobots. And also, in The Ultimate Doom, he
somehow knows his way through decep HQ).
And I'm saying the years in earth years according to personality. I know that
they're millions of years old....
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>Deszaras <desz...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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>> General consensus is that Primes original Autobots consisted of just
>> Ironhide and Elita-One. Prowl, Bluestreak, Hound, Brawn, Ratchet,
>> Cliffjumper, Kup, Ultra Magnus, and others probably signed up soon after.
>
>On the TMUK mailing list, someone mentioned that Magnus was created in
>1985...not sure how accurate this is as I don't recall it myself. Anyone
>confirm/deny?
In "Surprise Party," Magnus couldn't remember his own birthday, which is
rather odd if he had been built only 21 years earlier. (I certainly
remember MY twenty-first... :) Also, it would make little sense for such
recent information to be contained out on the Storage Asteroid, not in a
library on Cybertron.
Note that I'm talking about the US cartoon; I don't know what the TMUK
mailing list covers, but Magnus was definitely his own character in the UK
comic, and he may well have been built in 1985 in that continuity.
- Jackpot
ZacWilliam
>
>Brawn is probably like 30. He's a highly
> skilled and powerful midget.
...Ah, like so many of our great heroes. :)
-ZacWilliamm who's niether highly
skilled, nor a midget, and has always regretted it.
Perceptor
when they were made to until they were killed, and there was no "death or
natural causes".
Perceptor
why would he get to command a moonbase if he is "rather young". (The other
possible reason he'd get sent to moonbase one is so that Spike could make sure
he doesn't do anything stupid. See [comady]).
Time-Displaced Zobovor
>General consensus is that Primes original Autobots consisted of just
>Ironhide and Elita-One.
I must have missed the day everybody made that decision... :)
>Decepticons on the other hand seem to be bred for warfare, and are
>already built to be mature.
Yeah, Rumble and Frenzy are quite the epitome of decorum, aren't they? :)
Seriously... I read a theory once that stated that Autobots whose names
described their function (like Ratchet or Hound) were created before the advent
of the third Cybertron war, while Autobots with awe-inspiring names (like
Inferno or Sideswipe) were created after the war. I've always been partial to
that theory for some reason. :)
Zobovor... I leave it to you to decide whether "Bumblebee" was meant to instill
fear in the hearts of the Decepticons.
James Wilson
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>
> On the TMUK mailing list, someone mentioned that Magnus was
> created in 1985...not sure how accurate this is as I don't recall
> it myself. Anyone confirm/deny?
UK comic continuity. I think it was from Target 2006, Emirate Xaaron built
him or had him built.
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It was a while ago, I posted to a TF message board on AOL several years
back(Yes even I was once corrupted by Steve Case).
Literally everyone agreed that Dyon was rebuilt by Alpha Trion into
Ironhide.
When you think about it he rebuilt Ariel into Elita-One. Would he have just
left poor ol' Dyon laying on the ground. Also it would make sense seeing the
relationship between Prime and Ironhide.
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Michael Morbius
> On the TMUK mailing list, someone mentioned that Magnus was created in
> 1985...not sure how accurate this is as I don't recall it myself. Anyone
> confirm/deny?
What?! What's that you say?! You want to know when Ultra Magnus was
cre-*a*-ted??
Mike
Michael Morbius
> Literally everyone agreed that Dyon was rebuilt by Alpha Trion into
> Ironhide.
> When you think about it he rebuilt Ariel into Elita-One. Would he have just
> left poor ol' Dyon laying on the ground. Also it would make sense seeing the
> relationship between Prime and Ironhide.
I like that theory...but the problem is that everyone's always going on
about how old Ironhide is. But in "War Dawn" Dyon and Orion Pax are both
like teenagers working at a gas station. So if Dyon is Ironhide then
Optimus Prime must be an old man too.
Mike
Vendetta
> Wise ass:)
> It was a while ago, I posted to a TF message board on AOL several years
> back(Yes even I was once corrupted by Steve Case).
> Ironhide.
> When you think about it he rebuilt Ariel into Elita-One. Would he have
just
> left poor ol' Dyon laying on the ground. Also it would make sense seeing
the
> relationship between Prime and Ironhide.
Sure, they even had the same voice };-)
ZacWilliam
>Literally everyone agreed that Dyon was
>rebuilt by Alpha Trion into Ironhide.
>When you think about it he rebuilt Ariel
> into Elita-One. Would he have just
>left poor ol' Dyon laying on the ground. Also
> it would make sense seeing the
>relationship between Prime and Ironhide.
They all answered that because the
whole Ironhide/Dion thing is an old theory
that has been floating around Transfandom for
near forever, but it's hardly universally
believed or accepted.
Myself I never liked it. Ironhide and
Prime never seemed to have the sort of
relationship I would have expected had
this been the case, and Ironhide always came
off as much older than Prime. It just doesn't
fit IMO.
There's been another theory floating
around nearly as long. Another Autobot who's a
*MUCH* better choice for Dion IMO, namely...
*Ultra Magnus* :)
Think about it, he's a TF who's toy was based
on the same exact design as Prime and has a
very simmilar alt-mode (likely things if A3 had
just invented Autobot design and used many of
the same basic schematics for both) Add to that
that Prime and Magnus always seemed the same age,
That Prime called him "Old Friend" and trusted
him enough to give him the Matrix and leadership
of the Autobots, and I'd say Magnus is a much
better choice. He's Dion if we ever met him IMO.
-ZacWilliam, who notes that Prime
called Skorponok old friend at one point in the
comic but I think we can count him out of the
running. ;)
SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo Himself
> Sure, they even had the same voice };-)
And what do you know? They are both RED! Now *that*
HAS to mean something, doesn't it?
Okay, I'll get my tongue outta my cheek.
Just look at something for a moment. Optimus Prime's
colour scheme is an almost perfect match for Orion
Pax's. The colourations of Ironhide and Dion do not
match. Now, debate *that*, people.
Bluestreak7
>1985...not sure how accurate this is as I don't recall it myself. Anyone
>confirm/deny?
The Quintesson in "The Killing Jar" said that he contributed to Ultra's design,
making him older than Optimus Prime.
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Time-Displaced Zobovor
>When you think about it he rebuilt Ariel into Elita-One. Would he have
>just left poor ol' Dyon laying on the ground. Also it would make sense
>seeing the relationship between Prime and Ironhide.
I agree that Alpha Trion wouldn't have just left Dion for dead. Truth be told,
I think he probably became Ironhide, too. On the other hand, people have made
a fairly good case for his becoming Ultra Magnus.
Zobovor, also noting that Orion Pax/Optimus Prime both had a red-and-blue color
scheme thing going on, and Ariel and Elita One were both pink. No Autobot
really matches Dion's color scheme, however. Huffer would probably come the
closest...
Dragonclaw
>>On the TMUK mailing list, someone mentioned that Magnus was
created in
>>1985...not sure how accurate this is as I don't recall it
myself. Anyone
>>confirm/deny?
>
>The Quintesson in "The Killing Jar" said that he contributed to
Ultra's design,
>making him older than Optimus Prime.
I'm kinda having trouble with this one. Wasn't the Quint
scientist's line "I contributed to the Autobots' design. They
always react according to their individual programming."? after
the guard asks him about correctly predicting Magnus's reaction
to the Quint scientist's attack. I thought that would mean the
Quint was talking about more than one Autobot, perhaps referring
to being involved in creating the Autobots' ancestors (though
there might be a problem with the Quint calling Magnus an
Autobot, when in fact the Quints desinged the "consumer goods"
that would become Autobots)and remembering how they react. That
might explain why he used the term "They"
..ohh, my head's starting to hurt :)
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>
> Wise ass:)
> It was a while ago, I posted to a TF message board on AOL several years
> back(Yes even I was once corrupted by Steve Case).
> Ironhide.
Literally everyone, eh? I didn't agree. Therefore it wasn't literally
everyone. Period. </Cheetor>
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>
> SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo Himself <silve...@os.telia.no> wrote:
>
> > Deszaras wrote:
>
> >> built to be mature.
>
>
> He has no proof that Decepticons are programmed to be mature, but there is
> circumstancial evidence: when have we ever seen a Decepticon with
> Bumblebee-like youthfulness?
I think Rumble is pretty much supposed to be a young punk. In fact his
character says "youth" more than Bumblebee's does, IMO.
> The closest I can think of is Rumble.
Ah, yes. You thought of Rumble too, but as "the closest" instead of
"actually" because that way the data doesn't contradict your
assumption. Very interesting.
Perceptor
>Optimus Prime must be an old man too.
Nah... I'd say he's 35 or so.
Deszaras
directly refering to people on that specific board.
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> Deszaras wrote:
> >
> > Wise ass:)
> > It was a while ago, I posted to a TF message board on AOL several years
> > back(Yes even I was once corrupted by Steve Case).
> > Literally everyone agreed that Dyon was rebuilt by Alpha Trion into
> > Ironhide.
>
> Literally everyone, eh? I didn't agree. Therefore it wasn't literally
> everyone. Period. </Cheetor>
>
Túrin
>
> I have no clue why you feel compelled to revert to smartass quips when I was
> directly refering to people on that specific board.
Sorry. Apparently I didn't read your message carefully enough. I
apologize for any offense.
Jennifer Gray
since I read the comics, but do recall Bumble Bee and Spike meeting up
there, due to possible events beyond their control...perhaps the writers
for the cartoon just carried that over to the show, without explanation.
Also, if I recall, Bumble Bee felt inferior cause of his size, and may
have been more open to a small, weak critter like spike, in spite of any
other differences the two may have had. The other autobots, though may
have been neater to Spike, may not have had any connections with him, or
interest in interacting with him. I do feel Bumble Bee would have
though, cause of the small issue. So, I don't necessarily think age or
personality may have had a lot to do with it. Plus, Bumble Bee just
seems easy going, not childlike.
Maurine
Dirge Gun wrote:
> Bumblebee is a tough guy to guess his age. Like you said, he's wise, but he has
> a high voice like a child. But his actions with Spike may be acting as if they
> were peers. If BB was around 14 or 15 back in '85, that'd be around Spike's
> age, and that may show how their relationship worked out so well. You gotta
> think, why would Spike like to drive around in a Volkswagon, when he can go
> around in a Indy car like Mirage, orCountach like Sideswipe/Sunstreaker.
> Sideswipe would probably be a chick magnet due to his automotive looks, speed,
> and color, but nooooooo, gotta chill with the beetle..So I'm guessing that BB
> is Spike's age (14-15 pre movie, 34-35 movie/post movie).
> And I'm saying the years in earth years according to personality. I know that
Michael Morbius
> Ah, yes. You thought of Rumble too, but as "the closest" instead of
> "actually" because that way the data doesn't contradict your
> assumption. Very interesting.
Snide.
Mike
Michael Morbius
I'd agree. Therefore Dyon isn't Ironhide because Ironhide comes off as
50-ish.
Mike
Michael Morbius
> when have we ever seen a Decepticon with
> Bumblebee-like youthfulness?
> The closest I can think of is Rumble.
OK. I've checked my original post and it does work. I didn't say there
weren't any youthful Decepticons. I said there weren't any that were like
Bumblebee.
Rumble does come off as youthful. I even said so in a different previous
thread. But he's not like Bumblebee.
So: no. I wasn't just saying "closest" to make my post consistent at the
expense of the truth.
Mike
Túrin
>
> Michael Morbius <mor...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
>
> > when have we ever seen a Decepticon with
> > Bumblebee-like youthfulness?
>
> > The closest I can think of is Rumble.
>
> OK. I've checked my original post and it does work. I didn't say there
> weren't any youthful Decepticons. I said there weren't any that were like
> Bumblebee.
If this was what you intended to convey, then I apologize. It looked
like you were agreeing that the "all Decepticons are created mature"
argument was somewhat reasonable (because of the "circumstantial
evidence"). Your question *was* phrased as rhetorical, the assumed
answer was: "never."
While I agree that Rumble isn't Bumblebee-like, he does act like a young
Decepticon, and he does act quite immature, which in itself makes the
"Decepticons are built to be mature" proposition seem awfully doubtful.
SILVERBOLT - Mr. Vertigo Himself
> While I agree that Rumble isn't Bumblebee-like, he does act like a young
> Decepticon, and he does act quite immature, which in itself makes the
> "Decepticons are built to be mature" proposition seem awfully doubtful.
You know, I don't agree that Rumble acts all that immature,
although it would of course depend on your definition of mature.
Rumble's definitely had his moments of clarity and depth, such
as in one of my favourite scenes from 'More Than Meets the
Eye' - Part 1, when he, in a very calm and lucid way, warns
Starscream against trying to usurp Megatron's leadership. And,
in 'The Search for Alpha Trion', he doesn't initially agree with
Starscream's orders to shake up the female Autobots' base.
"Megatron's orders were to capture Elita One, not to tear up
the whole planet."
He even tries to be helpful at times, such as in 'Cosmic Rust',
when Starscream struggles to activate the "lightning bug" heat
ray. Sound immature to you?
Yeah, Rumble certainly does have a youthful tough-guy way
about him, but it doesn't necessarily make him immature.
Perceptor
Deszaras
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Michael Morbius
> Ok... But if Ironhide is in his 50's, then how old is Kup?
Kup also seems to be about that age but in a different way.
Ironhide is in his fifties in a middle-aged Marlboro man sense. Kup is in
his fifties like a cigar-smoking gold-chain-wearing silver-haired New
Yorker.
Mike
AtomBomb the 8-Legged DJ
Michael Morbius <mor...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote:
>
> Ironhide is in his fifties in a middle-aged Marlboro man sense. Kup
is in
> his fifties like a cigar-smoking gold-chain-wearing silver-haired New
> Yorker.
Heh. :) I figure Ironhide to be in his 60s and Kup in his early 70s.
Old people are spry these days, y'know.
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