ever wonder why decepticons can fly and autobots can't?
MangaFool
autobots are not. soundwave and his tapes fly, but blaster & his tapes don't
(unless carnage in c-minor is counted). similarly, springer apparently cannot
become airborne except in his helicopter mode. is it something to do with TF
evolution, or have the decepticons created some special internal mechanism
which gives them that ability?
==AtomBomb.
Zobovor
>is it something to do with TF evolution, or have the decepticons created
>some special internal mechanism which gives them that ability?
Possibly a little of each. The way i see it, the Decepticons, having been
created as instruments of war, would have an advantage in battle if they
possessed aerial capabilities. The Autobots, being mere playthings, were given
no such powers--and in fact would be a serious detriment if the Quintessons'
clients started complaining that their toys up and flew off one day. :)
While there is some evidence that the Autobots possess limited flight
capabilites (in space or low-g environments), they don't seem to be as skilled
in the skies as the Decepticons. The Decepticons most likely have dedicated
flight technology incorporated into their bodies; the Autobots have dedicated
ground vehicle components. (Anyone want to pit Starscream in a 500 km race
with Jazz?)
Zobovor, who should probably take the room spinning as a sign to go get some
sleep...
KAlve85173
George
<URL:mailto:zob...@aol.com> wrote:
> MangaFool wondered:
>
> >is it something to do with TF evolution, or have the decepticons created
> >some special internal mechanism which gives them that ability?
>
> Possibly a little of each. The way i see it, the Decepticons, having been
> created as instruments of war, would have an advantage in battle if they
> possessed aerial capabilities. The Autobots, being mere playthings, were given
> no such powers--and in fact would be a serious detriment if the Quintessons'
> clients started complaining that their toys up and flew off one day. :)
Warriors need transport. You can't have ALL the cons in Astrotrain....what if
they ran out of in-flight nuts?
> While there is some evidence that the Autobots possess limited flight
> capabilites (in space or low-g environments), they don't seem to be as skilled
> in the skies as the Decepticons. The Decepticons most likely have dedicated
> flight technology incorporated into their bodies; the Autobots have dedicated
> ground vehicle components. (Anyone want to pit Starscream in a 500 km race
> with Jazz?)
I think that the reason cons could fly but bot's couldn't
is because of energy. The first few eps had bots flying.
Obviously, they realised it was chewing up energy, so usually
refrained from using it, using jet-packs etc instead.
The cons, many of whom were built for flying, needed less
energy to fly in robot mode. This still drained energy, hence
the constant raids for energy.
Dinobots, being larger, had larger energy tanks and more
efficiant methods of storing energy. That's why they
flied a few times.
After the movie, bots often flied (See Magnus in The Ultimate Weapon)
as they no longer had an energy problem:their peace with Earth
was assured after Autobot City was built. The cons still flew,
nut still raided energy.
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ZacWilliam
>I think that the reason cons could fly but bot's couldn't
>is because of energy. The first few eps had bots flying.
>Obviously, they realised it was chewing up energy, so usually
>refrained from using it, using jet-packs etc instead.
>
>The cons, many of whom were built for flying, needed less
>energy to fly in robot mode. This still drained energy, hence
>the constant raids for energy.
>After the movie, bots often flied (See Magnus in The Ultimate Weapon)
>as they no longer had an energy problem:their peace with Earth
>was assured after Autobot City was built. The cons still flew,
>nut still raided energy.
Possible. But you still have Galvatron's mocking "Autobots can't fly..."
in Return of Prime. Although, he is admittedly a less than reliable sorce...
-ZacWilliam, who thinks it's weird that in Japan everybody on the show
could fly, and often did so, even up into and through outer space. Which
made their big Fort. Max. ship and space-train kind of redundent. Not to
mention the fact that both sides also had a Space Bridge. Talk about
overkill... ; )
(and the first person to respond to this by writting about that dinosaur
tape gets slapped! ; )
john fry
KAlve85173 wrote:
> The dinobots all could fly
and they weren;t born on cybertron, they were designed on earthwith the
purpose of warrior in their design
john fry
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Tengu
mang...@aol.com says...
> ...i mean, aside from the fact that most decepticons are aircraft and most
> autobots are not. soundwave and his tapes fly, but blaster & his tapes don't
> (unless carnage in c-minor is counted). similarly, springer apparently cannot
> evolution, or have the decepticons created some special internal mechanism
> which gives them that ability?
Actually, this issue revolves around a little known fact involving
factional discrepancies as they relate to insurance purchases on the
planet Cybertron. The Decepticons, while feeling quite randy and capable
of taking over the universe, initiated the Wars against the Autobots,
though not in so helter-skelter a manner as some might expect. Megatron,
being a true strategic genius, purchased an umbrella policy from Mutual
Cybertronia which allowed for the strict use of flight capabilities under
an additional thirty energon cube per month premium. Optimus Prime,
considered to be a classic insurance risk on nearly all actuarial charts
throughout the galaxy (due to his engine size, the fact that he rides
without a driver, and that he's red), cannot possibly get insurance from
any organization on Cybertron. As such, the Autobots, as an uninsured
faction of ragtag freedom-fighters, cannot fly. (Aside from certain
cases, such as the Dinobots, for example, who benefit from having one of
the best legal teams in Cybertronian history.)
Tengu:<>
Swoop
<zach...@csu.cted.net> writes
something like "Let them go, they can fly and we can't" I'll have to
check, anyway my point is I don't think the 'Bots can fly at all without
the aid of some sort of jet pack
>
>
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>
> Possible. But you still have Galvatron's mocking "Autobots can't fly..."
> in Return of Prime. Although, he is admittedly a less than reliable sorce..
I wouldn' trust Galvy if he said grass was green. ;-)
George
<URL:mailto:sw...@northcote.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >I'm sure in one episode the 'Bots want to go after the 'Cons Prime says
> something like "Let them go, they can fly and we can't" I'll have to
> check, anyway my point is I don't think the 'Bots can fly at all without
> the aid of some sort of jet pack
Spike said it in "Rebirth Part 2". Strange, cause one
Headmaster was a plane, one was a helicopter...
FreezeFrame
Blue-Jackal
<geo...@coturnix.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <76u7dl$da6$1...@winter.news.rcn.net>, ZacWilliam
><URL:mailto:zach...@csu.cted.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Possible. But you still have Galvatron's mocking "Autobots can't fly..."
>> in Return of Prime. Although, he is admittedly a less than reliable sorce..
>
>I wouldn' trust Galvy if he said grass was green. ;-)
Galvatron: "I'm greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!"
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George
<URL:mailto:An...@warriorprincess.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant06141...@coturnix.demon.co.uk>, George
> <geo...@coturnix.demon.co.uk> writes
> >In article <76u7dl$da6$1...@winter.news.rcn.net>, ZacWilliam
> ><URL:mailto:zach...@csu.cted.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Possible. But you still have Galvatron's mocking "Autobots can't fly..."
> >> in Return of Prime. Although, he is admittedly a less than reliable sorce..
> >
> >I wouldn' trust Galvy if he said grass was green. ;-)
>
> Galvatron: "I'm greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen!"
That what he said as he fell into the lava? ;-)
Not much of a God, is he?
(US may not get this, as US Galvy wasn't insane enough
to say he was God AFAIK)
Giles Andrews
George wrote in message ...
><URL:mailto:zob...@aol.com> wrote:
>> MangaFool wondered:
>>
>> >some special internal mechanism which gives them that ability?
>>
been
>> created as instruments of war, would have an advantage in battle if they
>> possessed aerial capabilities. The Autobots, being mere playthings, were
given
>> no such powers--and in fact would be a serious detriment if the
Quintessons'
>> clients started complaining that their toys up and flew off one day. :)
>
Autobots can fly as well - ironhide and bluestreak in MTMTE try to track the
cons but ironhide gets shot down ie autobots don't bother as the cons would
just kick their asses in the air. At one point in MTMTE all the bots are
seen flying to the oil platform where they rescue spike and sparkplug.
Therefore bots can but don,t
>Warriors need transport. You can't have ALL the cons in Astrotrain....what
if
>they ran out of in-flight nuts?
>
>> While there is some evidence that the Autobots possess limited flight
>> capabilites (in space or low-g environments), they don't seem to be as
skilled
>> in the skies as the Decepticons. The Decepticons most likely have
dedicated
>> flight technology incorporated into their bodies; the Autobots have
dedicated
>> ground vehicle components. (Anyone want to pit Starscream in a 500 km
race
>> with Jazz?)
>
>I think that the reason cons could fly but bot's couldn't
>is because of energy. The first few eps had bots flying.
>Obviously, they realised it was chewing up energy, so usually
>refrained from using it, using jet-packs etc instead.
>
>The cons, many of whom were built for flying, needed less
>energy to fly in robot mode. This still drained energy, hence
>the constant raids for energy.
>
>Dinobots, being larger, had larger energy tanks and more
>efficiant methods of storing energy. That's why they
>flied a few times.
>
>After the movie, bots often flied (See Magnus in The Ultimate Weapon)
>as they no longer had an energy problem:their peace with Earth
>was assured after Autobot City was built. The cons still flew,
>nut still raided energy.
Giles Andrews
meet spike and sparkplug. Also in The Key To Vector Sigma both sides are
described as challenging the others superiority ie they only keep to what
they are best at to avoid losing easily. e.g. in MTMTE ironhide and
bluestreak try to fight in the air and get their asses kicked and thus
answering ironhides quote, 'Why don't we go after them ..... I'm tired of
sucking their vapour trails.'
Allan [Weapon X] Liangco
On 5 Jan 1999, 07:02:25 GMT, MangaFool <mang...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990105020225...@ng118.aol.com>...
> ...i mean, aside from the fact that most decepticons are aircraft and most
> autobots are not. soundwave and his tapes fly, but blaster & his tapes don't
> (unless carnage in c-minor is counted). similarly, springer apparently
cannot
> become airborne except in his helicopter mode. is it something to do with TF
> evolution, or have the decepticons created some special internal mechanism
> which gives them that ability?
> ==AtomBomb.
These 'Transformers' are robots, so if they are built with an alternate mode
capable of flying, then they "can" fly, regardless of being a 'Bot or 'Con.
Autobots, even the ones that can only transform into just cars, can fly without
the need for a jetpack -- although not as fast as some of the Decepticons. A
jetpack would increase their flight speed but doesn't make them more agile in
the air. Decepticons were mostly jets in the early seasons of TF G1, so this
would give them an advantage of greater speed and better maneuverability in the
air than an Autobot in robot mode flying in the air as well. As Optimus Prime
said, "they're too fast for us in the air," right before Ironhide took off in
flight pursuit in MTMTE. So that would indicate that the car Autobots are not
as good as Decepticon jets in flying through the air.
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(Read this and tell me this ISN'T the way it happened)
They COULD fly. But they couldn't. See, most Transformers weren't legally
licensed to fly, despite their ability to do so.
Well obviously, Megatron's opinion was "Damn the man!" and so ALL Decepticons
flew without permits.
The few Autobots that regularly fly were all officially licensed as pilots
(and had passed aircraft requirements) the exception being the Dinobots who did
not understand the concept of needing licenses. It was recognized that their
actions did not always reflect the official views of the Autobot party, and so
the other Autobots (namely Optimus) were spared legal action for the Dinobots'
illegal flights.
Most Autobots never found the time to make appointments with U.S. officials
(Bumblebee was kept pretty busy with smog-checks alone!), and thus they could
not legally fly. Being the law-abiding Autobots, that means they DIDN'T fly.
(Whether they actually retained their flight parts or had them removed until
they could be used legally, I don't know. It would seem they were removed since
during THE RETURN OF OPTIMUS PRIME, Galvatron said something like, "I forgot,
Autobots can't fly!")
The reason the Autobots could all fly during MtMtE is because they had not yet
officially become legal Oregon, American, or even Earth citizens yet. Thus,
they did not know U.S. law. (They finally did take care of their legal status
with the governments of the world at the end of the episode however.)
On a side note, after the eventual end of the war on Cybertron, the
Decepticons had HUMONGOUS legal fines from Earth after years and years of
breaking the law. This may have contributed to BW Megatron's hatred of humans.
And now you know the rest of the story!
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<geo...@coturnix.demon.co.uk> writes
>(US may not get this, as US Galvy wasn't insane enough
>to say he was God AFAIK)
Galvy is so bonkers that I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's claimed
to be Lulu.
George
<URL:mailto:An...@warriorprincess.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <ant07175...@coturnix.demon.co.uk>, George
> <geo...@coturnix.demon.co.uk> writes
> >(US may not get this, as US Galvy wasn't insane enough
> >to say he was God AFAIK)
>
> Galvy is so bonkers that I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's claimed
> to be Lulu.
UNICRON:Go, destroy the Autobot matrix.
GALVATRON:Well....
UNICRON:Well what?
GALVATRON:You know you make me wanna SHOUT!
UNICRON:I always end up with these guys. Cyclonus, take command!
CYCLONUS:I don't take orders!
UNICRON:Why not?
CYCLONUS:Because...I'm bad! I'm bad!...
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> ...i mean, aside from the fact that most decepticons are aircraft and most
> autobots are not. soundwave and his tapes fly, but blaster & his tapes don't
> (unless carnage in c-minor is counted). similarly, springer apparently cannot
> become airborne except in his helicopter mode. is it something to do with TF
> evolution, or have the decepticons created some special internal mechanism
> which gives them that ability?
>
> ==AtomBomb.
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It's possible that they only fly in dire emergencies.
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