More Leaked Retail Listings for Legacy Year Two in 2023

[Zobovor]

Here's a list put together by JTPrime17, well-known leaker and all-around source of retail information, when I'm not busy scooping him:

Core Class

TRA GEN EV CORE THUNDERCRACKER
TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES CORE 86 FRENZY
TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES CORE 86 IRONHIDE

Zob's notes: These new listings are in addition to Core-class versions of all five Dinobots, which we already knew about. Clearly, Thundercracker will be a redeco of the existing tiny Starscream; Frenzy will be a red-and-black version of the Core-class Rumble; Ironhide will be a redeco of the recently-released Ratchet.

Deluxe Class

TRA GEN EV DELUXE TARANTULAS PR
TRA GEN EV DELUXE SHADOW STRIKER
TRA GEN EV DELUXE STRONGARM
TRA GEN EV DELUXE JUNKION 3
TRA GEN EV DELUXE BOMBSHELL
TRA GEN EV DELUXE BEACHCOMBER
TRA GEN EV DELUXE DETRITUS
TRA GEN EV DELUXE DEVCON
TRA GEN EV DELUXE ROBO WLD RDR

Zob's notes: "PR" means "package refresh," so the recently-released Tarantulas will carry forward. Shadow Striker is the female character introduced for BotCon 2003 and also featuring in Cyberverse, but it's unknown whether it's a new mold or a redeco. Strongarm is the female character from Transformers Prime introduced in 2015.

Detritus is the Takara eHobby redeco of the G1 Hound reissue from 2004. A Siege Hound toy seems probable, but wouldn't it be great if it was actually a pre-deco for Earth Mode Hound? I'm guessing Devcon may be a new toy, since Hasbro previously rejected the idea of doing a Studio Series Scourge remold as too much work. Current speculation is that "ROBO WLD RDR" may be short for "Robots in Disguise Wildride," or in other words, RiD X-Brawn.)

Voyager Class

TRA GEN EV VOYAGER DIRGE PR
TRA GEN EV SCRAPHOOK
TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES 86 VOYAGER RATCHET

Zob's notes: Dirge joins Ramjet as the known Amazon-exclusive toys slated to be sold to consumers a second time. Target might have some kind of exclusivity rights to Thrust, so it may be a while before we see him again. I have no idea what a Scraphook is, but it sure would be cool if it was the first of the Hook, Line, and Sinker trio from Marvel Comics. Ratchet is, of course, the inevitable redeco of the recently-announced Ironhide toy.

TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE
TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 1
TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 2
TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 3
TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 4
TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 5 PR
TRA GEN LEGACY LDR CAPSULE 1
TRA GEN LEGACY LDR CAPSULE 2
TRA GEN LEGACY VOY CAPSULE 1

Absolutely no idea what these are. I'm not sure what "capsule" suggests in this context—is it a description of the packaging? Is this the next batch of Velocitron toys? One supposes the package refresh might be Cosmos, since he's in popular demand and Hasbro might be opting to continue him going forward in response to fan requests. If this is the Velocitron assortment, then we know the Voyager is some kind of Hot Rod redeco (either 1986 toy-based or hot pink toon-based) and we know Crasher and Shadowstrip are in there somewhere. If that's the case, that leaves room for at least a couple of Deluxes and a couple of Leaders we still know nothing about.


Zob (veddy interestink)

[Codigo Postal]

I'm here for the Coneheads, though I don't know why Hasbro is so stingy about putting them out at retail.

I still haven't gotten Cosmos, but I'm unsure if I need to upgrade all my Minibots - I'm still pretty happy with the Prime Wars versions.

I say this knowing full well that I'm going to order Cosmos, Beachcomber, and whoever else they release.

Glad we're getting Tarantulas - I like the package refreshes they're doing. Helped me get my hands on Galvatron, and on Rung.

My money is on toy-accurate Hot Rod, with stickers, a la Cyclonus and Galvatron Selects...

[Zobovor]

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 6:06:14 PM UTC-6, Codigo Postal wrote:

> I'm here for the Coneheads, though I don't know why Hasbro is so stingy about putting them out at retail.

I think the thought process was basically that the 1984-85 jets are essentially the same toy, six times over, and they didn't want to create the perception at retail that they were just selling the same Earthrise toy endlessly in different colors. So, they made Starscream (the most popular character) was widely available, but you had to hunt down Thundercracker and Skywarp at Target, and Ramjet and Dirge through Amazon, and Thrust basically never, because Target cancelled your pre-order.

But, Dirge and Ramjet were difficult for people to acquire, and now they go for insane amounts of money on the secondary market. Fans have been vocal about wanting Hasbro to sell them again, so it looks like they're listening. It's great for Hasbro because they're ready-made toys, so there are no new development costs associated with them, and reselling them makes Hasbro look good from a public relations perspective.

> I still haven't gotten Cosmos, but I'm unsure if I need to upgrade all my Minibots - I'm still pretty happy with the Prime Wars versions.
> I say this knowing full well that I'm going to order Cosmos, Beachcomber, and whoever else they release.

I love the Deluxe-class Mini Autobots. They've all been great. Upscaling them is one of the best things Hasbro ever did. The only problem is that it leaves a gap for opening price point toys, but it seems like the Core-class tiny versions of characters are picking up the slack.

> Glad we're getting Tarantulas - I like the package refreshes they're doing. Helped me get my hands on Galvatron, and on Rung.

Sometimes the choices have been a bit counterintuitive. Like, Wheeljack was widely available both in Earthrise and as a Netflix redeco, so a third time at bat seemed a little excessive. And nobody liked Earthrise Arcee, so selling her again was just crazy sauce. But, I don't hate that they're doing it.

> My money is on toy-accurate Hot Rod, with stickers, a la Cyclonus and Galvatron Selects...

Ah, but there's a precedent for animation accurate redeco versions, too, if Kupworthy Kup and Cliffworthy Cliffjumper are any indication. So, it really could go either way. I know Evan Brooks of Hasbro was particularly disappointed that the higher-ups nixed his attempts at getting Studio Series Hot Rod produced in a proper magenta color, so this could be a do-over and an attempt to get it right. But, those crazy boys in Rhode Island do love their toy-based redeco versions. It's so hard to predict. Guess we'll see.


Zob (watch it be something absolutely insane, like a Diaclone Universe Hot Rod in black-and-white police car colors)

[Irrellius Spamticon]

On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 5:46:16 PM UTC-5, Zobovor wrote:
> Here's a list put together by JTPrime17, well-known leaker and all-around source of retail information, when I'm not busy scooping him:
>
> Core Class
>
> TRA GEN EV CORE THUNDERCRACKER
> TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES CORE 86 FRENZY
> TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES CORE 86 IRONHIDE
>
> Zob's notes: These new listings are in addition to Core-class versions of all five Dinobots, which we already knew about. Clearly, Thundercracker will be a redeco of the existing tiny Starscream; Frenzy will be a red-and-black version of the Core-class Rumble; Ironhide will be a redeco of the recently-released Ratchet.
>
> Deluxe Class
>
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE TARANTULAS PR
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE SHADOW STRIKER
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE STRONGARM
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE JUNKION 3
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE BOMBSHELL
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE BEACHCOMBER
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE DETRITUS
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE DEVCON
> TRA GEN EV DELUXE ROBO WLD RDR
>
> Zob's notes: "PR" means "package refresh," so the recently-released Tarantulas will carry forward. Shadow Striker is the female character introduced for BotCon 2003 and also featuring in Cyberverse, but it's unknown whether it's a new mold or a redeco. Strongarm is the female character from Transformers Prime introduced in 2015.
>
> Detritus is the Takara eHobby redeco of the G1 Hound reissue from 2004. A Siege Hound toy seems probable, but wouldn't it be great if it was actually a pre-deco for Earth Mode Hound? I'm guessing Devcon may be a new toy, since Hasbro previously rejected the idea of doing a Studio Series Scourge remold as too much work. Current speculation is that "ROBO WLD RDR" may be short for "Robots in Disguise Wildride," or in other words, RiD X-Brawn.)
>

But that makes no sense. the abbreviation is RDR, and Wildride doesn't have that last R.

> Voyager Class
>
> TRA GEN EV VOYAGER DIRGE PR
> TRA GEN EV SCRAPHOOK
> TRA GEN STUDIO SERIES 86 VOYAGER RATCHET
>
> Zob's notes: Dirge joins Ramjet as the known Amazon-exclusive toys slated to be sold to consumers a second time. Target might have some kind of exclusivity rights to Thrust, so it may be a while before we see him again. I have no idea what a Scraphook is, but it sure would be cool if it was the first of the Hook, Line, and Sinker trio from Marvel Comics. Ratchet is, of course, the inevitable redeco of the recently-announced Ironhide toy.
>

Scraphook could potentially be Scrap-iron, a Junkion from Shattered Glass and a Junkheap redeco.

> TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE
> TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 1
> TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 2
> TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 3
> TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 4
> TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 5 PR
> TRA GEN LEGACY LDR CAPSULE 1
> TRA GEN LEGACY LDR CAPSULE 2
> TRA GEN LEGACY VOY CAPSULE 1
>
> Absolutely no idea what these are. I'm not sure what "capsule" suggests in this context—is it a description of the packaging? Is this the next batch of Velocitron toys? One supposes the package refresh might be Cosmos, since he's in popular demand and Hasbro might be opting to continue him going forward in response to fan requests. If this is the Velocitron assortment, then we know the Voyager is some kind of Hot Rod redeco (either 1986 toy-based or hot pink toon-based) and we know Crasher and Shadowstrip are in there somewhere. If that's the case, that leaves room for at least a couple of Deluxes and a couple of Leaders we still know nothing about.
>

I hope the leader class is a redeco of Dragon Megatron as Cryotek.
I don't want it to be another Galvatron or Laser Prime, and a dragon would be a better racer than Blitzwing's tank. I guess we could get G2 Universe Grimlock?

>
> Zob (veddy interestink)

[Zobovor]

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 7:05:11 AM UTC-6, Ob1k...@att.net wrote:

> But that makes no sense. the abbreviation is RDR, and Wildride doesn't have that last R.

Well, I suppose it could be Wildrider again in G2 colors, and it's short for something like "Robo-Wrecker Wildrider" to distinguish him from the regular version. And if it is a Robots in Disguise character, it seems odd to use his Takara name (Wildride) instead of his Hasbro name (X-Brawn).

> Scraphook could potentially be Scrap-iron, a Junkion from Shattered Glass and a Junkheap redeco.

Given that we're also getting a "Junkion 2" and a "Junkion 3," that would be a hell of a lot of Junkions.

> I hope the leader class is a redeco of Dragon Megatron as Cryotek.

I'm sure that's in the cards. It's the most logical redeco to do for dragon Megatron.

> I don't want it to be another Galvatron or Laser Prime, and a dragon would be a better racer than Blitzwing's tank. I guess we could get G2 Universe Grimlock?

If they give us a Blitzwing redeco, I'm sure it will come in the form of Overcharge. They've been pretty consistent about looking at heritage redecos for inspiration. I was clamoring loudly for G2 redeco Dinobots back during Power of the Primes, but that was before each Dinobot was fifty bucks a pop! But, again, it's the most logical redeco for Grimlock, so I imagine we'll see it eventually.


Zob (maybe they'll surprise us and one of the Leader-class toys will be, like, an all-new Octane or Sandstorm or something)

[Gustavo Wombat]

There’s also a Strongarm, likely from RID15, which could be very nice.
Rookie fembot police suv, stickler for rules not because she’s an asshole,
but just because it covers her lack of confidence and experience. A
character that I would honestly love to see integrated into G1, because she
brings a lot that isn’t covered elsewhere.

And Shadowstriker, who may be the Cyberverse character. A fembot who was
blown up and then rebuilt using whatever parts were left around. Not as
great of a character as Strongarm, but a perfectly respectable villain.

[Gustavo Wombat]

My little iPad news app showed a later post as the root post when I read
it, and I didn’t see them being called out (and I didn’t read the quoted
text)? Or I am having a stroke or something, or fumbling with tech.

Anyway, I’m far more excited about those two than the rest.

[Zobovor]

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:56:30 PM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats wrote:

> There’s also a Strongarm, likely from RID15, which could be very nice.

I have no attachment to the character, but I've heard she's been Geewunnified in the comics, so it makes perfect sense to do a Geewunnified toy of her. And then people will complain because she doesn't look like the original version.

> And Shadowstriker, who may be the Cyberverse character.

Conspiracy theorists have pointed to the recent Prowl listing (who is not a package refresh, so probably not the Amazon toy) and the Shadow Striker listing (who was originally a redeco of RiD Sideburn) and the WLD RDR listing as signs that we're going to get new versions of the three Autobot Brothers from Robots in Disguise. I mean, it's kind of a wacky theory, but it makes as much sense as anything else.

Also, I did a deep dive into the message boards today, and people are saying that "capsule" is just internal Hasbro terminology for a small sub-line (like Velocitron). So, that's all that means. Also, it's been pretty much unanimously decided that Scraphook is going to be Scrapyard the Junkion (it's the same toy as Junkion 1), who is being renamed because of reasons, just like Junkyard was renamed Junkheap for the Hasbro release.


Zob (shrugs aggressively)

[Zobovor]

On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:59:00 PM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats wrote:

> Anyway, I’m far more excited about those two than the rest.

Beachcomber and Bombshell are the most exciting ones for me. It seems like the bigger the Mini Autobot toys get, the more transformation tricks they can work into the toy (like fists that tuck into the forearms) that they just can't manage at the Core-class scale. So, I'm all for a Deluxe-class Beachcomber. Unofficial fan-made scale guides suggest that he's closer to the height of Bumblebee and Cliffjumper than he is to Powerglide and Warpath (who are basically the height of regular Autobots in the show), so I expect him to be smallish. Maybe his roll cage will tuck away and disappear into his back somehow. That would be cool.

We sort of knew, or could intuit, that they were always going to do all three original Insecticons, but it's nice to see he's finally on the official roster (or at least the unofficial leaked roster). If he's a straightforward update to the G1 toy in the same way that Legacy Kickback was, I'll be pretty happy. Maybe an insect-mode stinger that tucks away and folds up into his chest compartment, and is replaced with a much smaller one for robot mode. No idea how they're going to handle the fact that he's grey in robot mode but purple in bug mode, so I suspect they just... won't do that?


Zob (magical color-changing toys is more Masterpiece territory)

[Gustavo Wombat]

Zobovor <zm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:56:30 PM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of
> the Seattle Wombats wrote:
>
>> There’s also a Strongarm, likely from RID15, which could be very nice.
>
> I have no attachment to the character, but I've heard she's been
> Geewunnified in the comics, so it makes perfect sense to do a
> Geewunnified toy of her. And then people will complain because she
> doesn't look like the original version.

There is Geewunnified, and then there is “perfectly nice toy with
Bulkhead’s head”. If it is the former, I won’t complain if it’s a good toy.


(Even Bulkhead I have grown to accept, although really only the Wreck N
Rule version. The plain version just hits an uncanny valley of being the
exact wrong distance from the original)

>> And Shadowstriker, who may be the Cyberverse character.
>
> Conspiracy theorists have pointed to the recent Prowl listing (who is not
> a package refresh, so probably not the Amazon toy) and the Shadow Striker
> listing (who was originally a redeco of RiD Sideburn) and the WLD RDR
> listing as signs that we're going to get new versions of the three
> Autobot Brothers from Robots in Disguise. I mean, it's kind of a wacky
> theory, but it makes as much sense as anything else.

There are a lot of Shadow Striker toys that have basically nothing to do
with one another. I would be delighted if it was ROTF Shadow Striker
(Legends Wheelie redeco, in black, with red windows and wheels) just for
the absurdity of replicating that toy. But, I expect Cyberverse as that’s
where she has gotten screen time.

Also, I s WLD RDR somehow X-Brawn in some language I am unfamiliar with?
He’s ROBO WLD RDR, if that makes a difference, but all I can think of with
Robo is Robot Masters, which doesn’t help.

> Also, I did a deep dive into the message boards today, and people are
> saying that "capsule" is just internal Hasbro terminology for a small
> sub-line (like Velocitron). So, that's all that means. Also, it's been
> pretty much unanimously decided that Scraphook is going to be Scrapyard
> the Junkion (it's the same toy as Junkion 1), who is being renamed
> because of reasons, just like Junkyard was renamed Junkheap for the Hasbro release.

Do we know what store these leaks came from? Are we getting three waves of
Velocitron?

> Zob (shrugs aggressively)
>

[Gustavo Wombat]

Zobovor <zm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 5:59:00 PM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of
> the Seattle Wombats wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I’m far more excited about those two than the rest.
>
> Beachcomber and Bombshell are the most exciting ones for me.

I’m sure they will be fine as well, but they’re pretty much expected at
this point, aren’t they?

Pulling in some of the more interesting and well developed characters from
other series, especially when they fill in gaps in character archetypes of
G1, is a bit more fun to me.

I would also like Clobber. She’s a female Lugnut, and best friends with
that universe’s Lockdown.

> It seems like the bigger the Mini Autobot toys get, the more
> transformation tricks they can work into the toy (like fists that tuck
> into the forearms) that they just can't manage at the Core-class scale.
> So, I'm all for a Deluxe-class Beachcomber. Unofficial fan-made scale
> guides suggest that he's closer to the height of Bumblebee and
> Cliffjumper than he is to Powerglide and Warpath (who are basically the
> height of regular Autobots in the show), so I expect him to be smallish.
> Maybe his roll cage will tuck away and disappear into his back somehow.
> That would be cool.
>
> We sort of knew, or could intuit, that they were always going to do all
> three original Insecticons, but it's nice to see he's finally on the
> official roster (or at least the unofficial leaked roster). If he's a
> straightforward update to the G1 toy in the same way that Legacy Kickback
> was, I'll be pretty happy. Maybe an insect-mode stinger that tucks away
> and folds up into his chest compartment, and is replaced with a much
> smaller one for robot mode. No idea how they're going to handle the fact
> that he's grey in robot mode but purple in bug mode, so I suspect they
> just... won't do that?

The bug has a top and a bottom, and they aren’t required to keep the G1
transformation, so the gray bottom of the bug could be used for the front
of the robot mode. I think I would rather he just be purple though.

And I really hope they get the colors to match across the insecticons,

[Gustavo Wombat]

If you see Cosmos, get him. He’s not perfect (the CW era one that came with
a shuttle friend may be a better toy — I like the slimmed down saucer, even
if it isn’t authentic) but he’s the first Cosmos that really feels like the
animation model.

[Gustavo Wombat]

They aren’t above going back a bit, judging from Crasher being a redeco of
Mirage. Ultra Magnus could make more sense, as someone to haul away the
shattered remains of the crashed racers (the siege mold loses some of the
spots for car carrying, but not all). Not sure what they could do with
Ultra Magnus though.

If they are sticking with the race theme, there aren’t a lot of choices
though. Optimuses, Ultra Magnus… maybe go all the way back to Titans Return
for Sixshot, but he is probably way too big.

I’m betting on Grimlock with racing stripes.

[Gustavo Wombat]

Zobovor <zm...@aol.com> wrote:

>
> Detritus is the Takara eHobby redeco of the G1 Hound reissue from 2004.
> A Siege Hound toy seems probable, but wouldn't it be great if it was
> actually a pre-deco for Earth Mode Hound?

I think Siege Hound would make a better Detritus, as he should be more
alien, despite his original toy. And if this was Velocitron, I would think
that’s what they would do. Main line, I suspect a pre-tool for Earth Hound
or someone else.

(The CW Swindle mold would probably be best for matching the Junkeon look)

> I'm guessing Devcon may be a new toy, since Hasbro previously rejected
> the idea of doing a Studio Series Scourge remold as too much work.

Probably.

[Irrellius Spamticon]

Please no more Magnus, they've milked that mold too much already.
Siege, Netflix, Kingdom, Premium, Shattered glass, I have people turning over open Magnus in droves to the point where they're $20 on the secondary market now. I'm still not buying it.
We have Hauler and Detrius for cleanup now.

I'd rather Ultra Mammoth than Ultra Magnus right now

[Zobovor]

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:47:04 AM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats wrote:

> I think Siege Hound would make a better Detritus, as he should be more
> alien, despite his original toy. And if this was Velocitron, I would think
> that’s what they would do. Main line, I suspect a pre-tool for Earth Hound
> or someone else.

They're already pulling in lots of characters from different universes into the Velocitron race, so I'm sure somewhere there's a hypothetical Detritus who got himself an Earth mode. Anyway, the Velocitron fiction only loosely connects the toys together. It's nice when they want to construct a narrative, like with the Golden Disk collection or the Galactic Odyssey collection, but at the end of the day it's just a bunch of Transformers toys they're trying to sell us. If the goal is to sell us a Detritus toy and then do an Earth mode Hound, I definitely don't want them to go, "Nope, doesn't fit into the Velocitron narrative" and then just not produce the toy. The narrative should always come second to whatever toys they want to update.

> > I'm guessing Devcon may be a new toy, since Hasbro previously rejected
> > the idea of doing a Studio Series Scourge remold as too much work.
> Probably.

Now people are speculating Devcon might be a Studio Series Blurr remold. I guess in some ways it would work (both are long, lean vehicles, and both have that thingy on the top of their heads) but Devcon is mostly blue, so it would be kind of a boring redo. It would feel very samey.


Zob (prefers differentish to samey)

[Zobovor]

On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 2:12:38 AM UTC-6, Gustavo Wombat, of the Seattle Wombats wrote:

> Also, is WLD RDR somehow X-Brawn in some language I am unfamiliar with?

Just that the original Car Robots name for X-Brawn was Wildride. (We've seen typos in Hasbro solicitations before. Not often, but it's happened.)

> Do we know what store these leaks came from? Are we getting three waves of
> Velocitron?

The second batch of Velocitron toys has already appeared at retail in New Zealand. There are pictures of G2 Universe Shadowstrip and Decepticon Crasher in the Speedia 500 style packaging. The Voyager Hot Rod redeco is supposed to be part of the second wave as well.

I do believe JTPrime17 is pulling this stuff out of the Walmart web site portal. Sometimes you can type in a bunch of product numbers and discover listings that aren't linked from the main site. So, two waves that we know of, plus a capsule series that might be more Velocitron or might be something different, like Golden Disk or Galactic Odyssey.


Zob (and the winner of the Velocitron Speedia 500 is... Munka Spenka!)