Question about G1 Hubcap,
UnicronHound
that he got his own card for the third wave of Minibots(according to the TF
website), but was he ever released anytime before then in the transformer's
line, if so anyone have pics of him MOSC?
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> Was the G1 Hubcap ever released on the Cliffjumper, or Bumblebee cards? I
know
> that he got his own card for the third wave of Minibots(according to the
TF
> website), but was he ever released anytime before then in the
transformer's
> line, if so anyone have pics of him MOSC?
Hubcap wasn't released until the third year of TFs, after Cliffjumper had
stopped shipping. So no.
He's not Bumper.
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Zobovor the Mildly Insane
>Was the G1 Hubcap ever released on the Cliffjumper, or Bumblebee cards? I
>know that he got his own card for the third wave of Minibots(according to the
TF
>website), but was he ever released anytime before then in the transformer's
>line, if so anyone have pics of him MOSC?
The Cliffjumper mold was modified to *create* Hubcap, in much the same way that
Gears was changed into Swerve, Brawn was turned into Outback, etc. They
weren't marketed simultaneously; one replaced the other. (I suspect that this
ended up causing slight problems when somebody at Hasbro wanted to offer
Cliffjumper through mail-order, only to discover that the Cliffjumper molds no
longer existed as such.)
Ethan Hammond
>
> The Cliffjumper mold was modified to *create* Hubcap, in much the same way
that
> Gears was changed into Swerve, Brawn was turned into Outback, etc. They
> weren't marketed simultaneously; one replaced the other. (I suspect that
this
> ended up causing slight problems when somebody at Hasbro wanted to offer
> Cliffjumper through mail-order, only to discover that the Cliffjumper
molds no
> longer existed as such.)
So that is how it happened.
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Hotmissile
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>
> The Cliffjumper mold was modified to *create* Hubcap, in much the same way that
> Gears was changed into Swerve, Brawn was turned into Outback, etc. They
> weren't marketed simultaneously; one replaced the other. (I suspect that this
> ended up causing slight problems when somebody at Hasbro wanted to offer
> Cliffjumper through mail-order, only to discover that the Cliffjumper molds no
> longer existed as such.)
Interesting. What makes you say that? Were mail-order Cliffjumpers
actually Hubcap, or are you just theorising?
I wonder why Hubcap was chosen to be yellow. The mould on its own
looks really like Bumblebee (& Bumper, & Yellowjumper) so why did they
go and colour it the same way too? (Unless they were actually going
for the fledgling Bumblebee nostalgia market.)
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Zobovor the Mildly Insane
>>(I suspect that this ended up causing slight problems when somebody at Hasbro
>>wanted to offer Cliffjumper through mail-order, only to discover that the
Cliffjumper
>>molds no longer existed as such.)
>
> Interesting. What makes you say that? Were mail-order Cliffjumpers
>actually Hubcap, or are you just theorising?
Hasbro offered three of the Mini Autobots through mail order in 1987. Their
catalog described them as Cosmos, Warpath, and Cliffjumper, but in fact Hubcap
was pictured in the mail-order catalog and was the toy they shipped if you
ordered him.
> I wonder why Hubcap was chosen to be yellow. The mould on its own
>looks really like Bumblebee (& Bumper, & Yellowjumper) so why did they
>go and colour it the same way too? (Unless they were actually going
>for the fledgling Bumblebee nostalgia market.)
Bumblebee was still shipping in 1986, the year Hubcap was first sold. (One
supposes that Bumblebee was so popular as a character that Hasbro didn't want
to sabotage that by remolding him and calling him something else, like they did
with the other Microchange mini-vehicles.) I agree that making Hubcap yellow
did make him awfully similar in appearance to Bumblebee. (Apparently somebody
at Hasbro must have thought so, too, because they changed Hubcap to red when
they sold the two toys together again for G2.)
Nevermore
> Was the G1 Hubcap ever released on the Cliffjumper, or Bumblebee cards? I know
> that he got his own card for the third wave of Minibots(according to the TF
> website), but was he ever released anytime before then in the transformer's
> line, if so anyone have pics of him MOSC?
The only thing I could see in that regards would be a Mexican yellow
Cliffjumper being packaged as "Hubcap", not the other way round.
You know, the Mexicans did this, simply repainting year 1 Minibot
molds in year 3 Minibots colors without replacing the molds.
Therefore, we got weird anomalies such as "Puffer" (Huffer in all
blue), "Swears" (Gears in Swerve colors - looks GREAT!), "Outbrawn"
(Brawn in Outback colors) and "Tailcharger" (Windcharger in Tailgate
colors).
If there were any "Cliffcaps" (Cliffjumpers on Hubcap packages), we
probably couldn't tell since they would look just like the regular
Mexican yellow Cliffjumpers, and the only way to tell would be a MOSC
example.
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>>>(I suspect that this ended up causing slight problems when somebody at Hasbro
>>>wanted to offer Cliffjumper through mail-order, only to discover that the
>>>Cliffjumper molds no longer existed as such.)
>>
>> Interesting. What makes you say that? Were mail-order Cliffjumpers
>>actually Hubcap, or are you just theorising?
>
> Hasbro offered three of the Mini Autobots through mail order in 1987. Their
> catalog described them as Cosmos, Warpath, and Cliffjumper, but in fact Hubcap
> was pictured in the mail-order catalog and was the toy they shipped if you
> ordered him.
Wouldn't an equally parsimonious explanation be that they always intended
to sell Hubcap, but somebody screwed up the name on the catalog?
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Zobovor the Mildly Insane
>Wouldn't an equally parsimonious explanation be that they always intended
>to sell Hubcap, but somebody screwed up the name on the catalog?
I don't think so, honestly. By 1987, every single one of the mail-order toys
offered by Hasbro--with the lone exception of Hubcap--was either a) available
exclusively through mail-order, like the Omnibots or Powerdashers, or b) an
older toy from 1984-85 that was no longer available at retail, like
Thundercracker or Mirage.
To me, at least, it makes much more sense that Hasbro had intended to offer
Cliffjumper through mail-order (a character who was featured prominently in the
movie and who hadn't been in stores for two years) than Hubcap (a character
never featured in the official media and who had only just been released the
previous year).
Steve-o Stonebraker
>>Wouldn't an equally parsimonious explanation be that they always intended
>>to sell Hubcap, but somebody screwed up the name on the catalog?
>
> I don't think so, honestly. By 1987, every single one of the mail-order toys
> offered by Hasbro--with the lone exception of Hubcap--was either a) available
> exclusively through mail-order, like the Omnibots or Powerdashers, or b) an
> older toy from 1984-85 that was no longer available at retail, like
> Thundercracker or Mirage.
Good answer.
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>
> did make him awfully similar in appearance to Bumblebee. (Apparently somebody
> at Hasbro must have thought so, too, because they changed Hubcap to red when
> they sold the two toys together again for G2.)
Heh. Because that makes Hubcap look so different from Cliffjumper
and (red) Bumblebee...
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