Starscream: Gay or Straight?
Amar Bhatia
He's gotta be gay. Period.
'nuff said.
Tulece
Amar Bhatia wrote:
>
> He's gotta be gay. Period.
> 'nuff said.
Man, they better get some new episodes out soon. People are really
scrapin the bottom of the barrel for things to talk about.
<g>
Lucas
Joona I Palaste
Amar Bhatia <7a...@qlink.queensu.ca> scribbled the following:
: He's gotta be gay. Period.
: 'nuff said.
I'd say Starscream is definitely straight. What possible evidence might
you have of his gayness? Or is that gainess? Gaiety?
PS. I'm constantly wishing I was back in the days where "gay" only meant
"happy, jolly, playful"...
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Dalmatian
Joona I Palaste wrote:
>
> Amar Bhatia <7a...@qlink.queensu.ca> scribbled the following:
> : He's gotta be gay. Period.
> : 'nuff said.
>
> I'd say Starscream is definitely straight. What possible evidence might
> you have of his gayness? Or is that gainess? Gaiety?
Perhaps Starscream was a bit....fruity, and harbored deep feelings for
Megatron. But, since Megatron openly showed how much he like Soundwave
better, Starscream got all bitter and mean and began to want to...get
rid of Megatron. :)
Or, maybe he was just plain ruthless and power hungry like everyone says
he is.
Dalmatian
JHooksX
>Perhaps Starscream was a bit....fruity, and harbored deep feelings for
>Megatron. But, since Megatron openly showed how much he like Soundwave
>better, Starscream got all bitter and mean and began to want to...get
>rid of Megatron. :)
I dont know much about STARSCREAM, but TRACKS is definately gay. Ask anyone on
#tfu. :) I mean, c'mon, the way he talks, the way he walks... did u see how he
talked to Raul? :)
And dont even let me START on Sky LynX....
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Neilast | Neilatron
Wow. With such an airtight argument, who can possibly disagree? ^_-
But to tell you the truth...I had the same thought myself. It think
it was mostly the actor's voice. Think of how Starscream used to
scream when he was hit. But really, I don't think a Transformer can
be gay or straight or whatever, because they don't have gender and don't
have sex. We say there are male and female Transformers, but really there
are only non-sexual Transformers that have more masculine or more feminine
characteristics, both physically and personality-wise. As for Starscream...
Well, he was definitely "male," but seemed, at least to me, a little
feminine sometimes.
Okay, I think I've said enough. <:)
- Neilatron
Guyver1
> Perhaps Starscream was a bit....fruity, and harbored deep feelings for
> Megatron. But, since Megatron openly showed how much he like Soundwave
> better, Starscream got all bitter and mean and began to want to...get
> rid of Megatron. :)
> he is.
I don't know 'bout Starscream but Rattrap and Dinobot are makin' me wonder.
They're always out on missions alone and having these little spats but know
that Rattrap's part automoblie, Dinobots always riding him: )
Guyver1
Charles Calhoun
JHooksX wrote in message <19980203162...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>I dont know much about STARSCREAM, but TRACKS is definately gay. Ask
anyone on
>#tfu. :) I mean, c'mon, the way he talks, the way he walks... did u see
how he
>talked to Raul? :)
>
>And dont even let me START on Sky LynX....
Nah. Sky Lynx ain't gay, he's just a little bit effeminate.
Now Brawn... it's obvious. I mean, he's so in the closet that
he has to put up this testosterone front to overcompensate.
Charles Calhoun
Thylacine 2000
Charles Calhoun wrote:
> JHooksX wrote in message <19980203162...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> >I dont know much about STARSCREAM, but TRACKS is definately gay. Ask
> anyone on
> >#tfu. :) I mean, c'mon, the way he talks, the way he walks... did u see
> how he
> >talked to Raul? :)
Just look at his hood insignia and what do you see? A *flame*.
Suspicious.....
By the way, Hound was definitely gay. Just watch "More than Meets the Eye".
He told Optimus he'd try to intercept some Decepticons near the dam, but on the
way there, he and Spike intercepted each other if you know what I mean.
Seriously. Its there.
> >
> >And dont even let me START on Sky LynX....
>
> Nah. Sky Lynx ain't gay, he's just a little bit effeminate.
Not even that. Look at how his bird half connects to his feline half. You
could sort of say the guy was in love with himself.....in a physical sense.
>
>
> Now Brawn... it's obvious. I mean, he's so in the closet that
> he has to put up this testosterone front to overcompensate.
Mushy, but true :)Frenzy may have been gay: he sure seemed to have a
subconscious crush on Rumble. Look how he was always following Rumble around
and imitating him, acting very much the Smithers to Mr. Burns or Marcie to
Peppermint Patty. Plus, the two dressed almost the same and even shared very
small, close, intimate living quarters!
Shall we take bets on how long this thread will continue before somebody gets
*seriously* offended?
Dalmatian
According to this thread now, almost all the Autobots are gay, along
with Rumble/Frenzy. :)
The only bots I perceive as being homosexual are Tracks and Brainstorm.
That's only because of their voices. :)
Dalmatian
Charles Calhoun
JHooksX wrote in message <19980203162...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>I dont know much about STARSCREAM, but TRACKS is definately gay. Ask
anyone on
>#tfu. :) I mean, c'mon, the way he talks, the way he walks... did u see
how he
>talked to Raul? :)
>
Nah. Sky Lynx ain't gay, he's just a little bit effeminate.
Now Brawn... it's obvious. I mean, he's so in the closet that
Charles Calhoun
Neilast | Neilatron wrote in message <34D760...@top.net>...
>But to tell you the truth...I had the same thought myself. It think
>it was mostly the actor's voice. Think of how Starscream used to
>scream when he was hit. But really, I don't think a Transformer can
>be gay or straight or whatever, because they don't have gender and don't
>have sex. We say there are male and female Transformers, but really there
>are only non-sexual Transformers that have more masculine or more feminine
>characteristics, both physically and personality-wise. As for
Starscream...
>Well, he was definitely "male," but seemed, at least to me, a little
>feminine sometimes.
Yeah. So, by that logic (which seems sound) it might be possible
to lump someone like Starscream or Tracks in with the "female"
transformers, if they were okay with it.
And since they're all one gender, if they DO have a sexuality,
they're all gay.
Optimus84
The only gay Transformer is Wheelie
Gluesey Z
>Neilast | Neilatron wrote in message <34D760...@top.net>...
>>But to tell you the truth...I had the same thought myself. It think
>>it was mostly the actor's voice. Think of how Starscream used to
>>scream when he was hit. But really, I don't think a Transformer can
>>be gay or straight or whatever, because they don't have gender and don't
>>have sex. We say there are male and female Transformers, but really there
>>are only non-sexual Transformers that have more masculine or more feminine
>>characteristics, both physically and personality-wise. As for
>Starscream...
>>Well, he was definitely "male," but seemed, at least to me, a little
>>feminine sometimes.
>
>
Quiet, you! We're not being serious, anyway!
Gluesey Z
Picard42
Charles Calhoun wrote:
> Yeah. So, by that logic (which seems sound) it might be possible
> to lump someone like Starscream or Tracks in with the "female"
> transformers, if they were okay with it.
>
> And since they're all one gender, if they DO have a sexuality,
> they're all gay.
This brings disturbing new theories on why BW Megs has a head on his
hand...
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Dalmatian
> This brings disturbing new theories on why BW Megs has a head on his
> hand...
It's just like "Hanky, the Christmas Poo" from South Park. :)
Only if you believe the dino head is alive, it will sing and say
"HOOOOOOWWDY DOOOO!"
(this now fills up my silliness meter for today.)
Dalmatian
Drew C King
If Ned Flanders on The Simpsons can be completely straight, then
transformable alien warrior robots, no matter their voices, are straight.
This is such a ridiculous thread...
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Hydra D304
>
>Nah. Sky Lynx ain't gay, he's just a little bit effeminate.
>
>Now Brawn... it's obvious. I mean, he's so in the closet that
>he has to put up this testosterone front to overcompensate.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Has anyone seen teh Human character Buster from the Japanese series Super God
Masterforce? NO, not Buster Witwicky, Buster....Darkwings, whatever. ANyway, I
have never seen such an effeminate looking male in my life! I thought he was a
woman through the entire series, until I realised that he and Hydra were
referred to as the Godmaster *brothers*... Well, yeah, he is supposed to be my
brother, so I should probably shut the hell up :) Still, though....
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Waspinator
JHooksX wrote in message <19980203162...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>I dont know much about STARSCREAM, but TRACKS is definately gay. Ask
anyone on
>#tfu. :) I mean, c'mon, the way he talks, the way he walks... did u see
how he
>talked to Raul? :)
You're just trying to provoke, me, aren't you, HX? :P
/me clears his throat and prepares to utter his infamous line...
/me forgets he's not in IRC.
Tracks is not gay.
*bow*
ADY
Waspinator
Dalmatian wrote in message <34D77C...@Assiniboinec.MB.CA>...
>The only bots I perceive as being homosexual are Tracks and Brainstorm.
>That's only because of their voices. :)
That's a rather unnecessary stereotype, isn't it?
Allow me to point out that Tracks has the same vocal inflections as Thurston
Howell III from Gilligan's Island. Jim Backus, I believe, is the actor. A
pseudo-British accent meant to convey a feeling of superiority over the
common man. "I have money, and you don't, so I'm going to talk funny to
make myself sound more educated than you."
As we know, Tracks is very proud of his appearance. That voice is used to
convey the same feeling of supiority. Yeah, it's basically a stereotype,
but then, how many TF's aren't stereotypes in one way or another?
Oh, and by the way...
Tracks is not gay.
ADY
John Thorpe, a.k.a. SNAP!!!MAN
Picard42 wrote:
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> Charles Calhoun wrote:
>
> > Yeah. So, by that logic (which seems sound) it might be possible
> > to lump someone like Starscream or Tracks in with the "female"
> > transformers, if they were okay with it.
> >
> > And since they're all one gender, if they DO have a sexuality,
> > they're all gay.
>
> hand...
I don't want to know where he sticks the tail on the other hand...
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Charles Calhoun wrote:
>
> Now Brawn... it's obvious. I mean, he's so in the closet that
> he has to put up this testosterone front to overcompensate.
I think you just created four new flame threads:
BRAWN IS STRAIGHT AND ALIVE!!!
BRAWN IS GAY AND ALIVE!!!
BRAWN IS STRAIGHT AND DEAD!!!
BRAWN IS GAY AND DEAD!!!
John Thorpe, a.k.a. SNAP!!!MAN
Neilast | Neilatron wrote:
>
> Amar Bhatia <7a...@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote:
> > : He's gotta be gay. Period.
> > : 'nuff said.
>
> Wow. With such an airtight argument, who can possibly disagree? ^_-
>
> it was mostly the actor's voice. Think of how Starscream used to
> scream when he was hit. But really, I don't think a Transformer can
> be gay or straight or whatever, because they don't have gender and don't
> have sex. We say there are male and female Transformers, but really there
> are only non-sexual Transformers that have more masculine or more feminine
> characteristics, both physically and personality-wise. As for Starscream...
> Well, he was definitely "male," but seemed, at least to me, a little
> feminine sometimes.
If it has to do with the voice, could that mean that Cobra Commander is
gay?
Charles Calhoun
Waspinator wrote in message <6b8imu$u...@news.cei.net>...
>That's a rather unnecessary stereotype, isn't it?
>
>Allow me to point out that Tracks has the same vocal inflections as
Thurston
>Howell III from Gilligan's Island. Jim Backus, I believe, is the actor. A
>pseudo-British accent meant to convey a feeling of superiority over the
>common man. "I have money, and you don't, so I'm going to talk funny to
>make myself sound more educated than you."
>
>As we know, Tracks is very proud of his appearance. That voice is used to
>convey the same feeling of supiority. Yeah, it's basically a stereotype,
>but then, how many TF's aren't stereotypes in one way or another?
>
>Oh, and by the way...
>
>Tracks is not gay.
Exactly. All gay people are not Big Gay Al. Very few are.
They're more like... Brawn.
Charles Calhoun
Charles Calhoun
Charles Calhoun
Sir STACK
"John Thorpe, a.k.a. SNAP!!!MAN" <snap...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Neilast | Neilatron wrote:
>
>> Amar Bhatia <7a...@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote:
>> > : He's gotta be gay. Period.
>> > : 'nuff said.
>>
>> Wow. With such an airtight argument, who can
>>possibly disagree? ^_-
>>
>> But to tell you the truth...I had the same thought myself.
>> It think
>> it was mostly the actor's voice. Think of how
>>Starscream used to scream when he was hit.
>>But really, I don't think a Transformer can
>> be gay or straight or whatever, because they don't
>>have gender and don't have sex. We say there
>>are male and female Transformers, but really there
>> are only non-sexual Transformers that have more
>>masculine or more feminine
>> characteristics, both physically and personality-wise.
>>As for Starscream...
>> Well, he was definitely "male," but seemed, at least to
>>me, a little feminine sometimes.
>If it has to do with the voice, could that mean that
>Cobra Commander is gay?
If so it would go something, like this:
Cobra Commander: "Hey, Duke, Wanna see my 'hooded cobra commander' after the
battle?"
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Amar Bhatia (7a...@qlink.queensu.ca) wrote:
: He's gotta be gay. Period.
: 'nuff said.
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EmarZero
>>If it has to do with the voice, could that mean that
>>Cobra Commander is gay?
>
>
Oh yeah. Major Bludd and Destro were CC's bitches. Those two, and the
twins... Oh yes, CC just loved those little twins... they were SOOOO cute in
their little matching outfits....
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>o tell you the truth...I had the same thought myself.
>>> It think
>>> it was mostly the actor's voice. Think of how
>>>Starscream used to scream when he was hit.
>>>But really, I don't think a Transformer can
>>> be gay or straight or whatever, because they don't
>>>have gender and don't have sex. We say there
>>>are male and female Transformers, but really there
>>> are only non-sexual Transformers that have more
>>>masculine or more feminine
>>> characteristics, both physically and personality-wise.
>>>As for Starscream...
>>> Well, he was definitely "male," but seemed, at least to
>>>me, a little feminine sometimes.
>
>
Well..you know, I never really thought of him as gay... He's effiminate, I
guess, but really he struck me as sort of the imperial slimeball dandy type, a
perfect example of this is Tim Roth's character from Rob Roy.
Robert A. Jung
In article <6b8r47$bgc$1...@solaris.cc.vt.edu> "Charles Calhoun" <grim...@vt.edu> writes:
>Waspinator wrote in message <6b8imu$u...@news.cei.net>...
>>Howell III from Gilligan's Island. Jim Backus, I believe, is the actor.
I could be wrong, but didn't Jim Backus(sp?) died before the TRANSFORMERS
cartoon aired? I agree about the stereotypical use of an English accent to
convey aristocracy/higher learning, but I don't think Tracks and Mr. Howell
were the same actor.
>Exactly. All gay people are not Big Gay Al. Very few are.
>
>They're more like... Brawn.
Given how well most gay men take care of their bodies, I don't know how some
folks would dare to invite death and dismemberment by portraying them as
effeminine. Then again, I can't understand why those people want gays *out*
of the military, either -- if anything, we should be encouraging them to sign
up and work out more for the national defense...
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Robert A. Jung wrote:
>
> In article <6b8r47$bgc$1...@solaris.cc.vt.edu> "Charles Calhoun" <grim...@vt.edu> writes:
> >Waspinator wrote in message <6b8imu$u...@news.cei.net>...
> >>Allow me to point out that Tracks has the same vocal inflections as Thurston
> >>Howell III from Gilligan's Island. Jim Backus, I believe, is the actor.
>
> I could be wrong, but didn't Jim Backus(sp?) died before the TRANSFORMERS
> cartoon aired? I agree about the stereotypical use of an English accent to
> convey aristocracy/higher learning, but I don't think Tracks and Mr. Howell
> were the same actor.
I don't think they were, either (then again I haven't seen any episodes
with Tracks in them in years, so I can't compare the voices). By the
way, Jim Backus died after the Transformers aired (I think in 1989).
John Thorpe, a.k.a. SNAP!!!MAN
> >
> >Tracks is not gay.
>
>
> They're more like... Brawn.
How much do you bet that Airazor will come out of the closet this
season?
Tykus the Gladiator
John Thorpe, a.k.a. SNAP!!!MAN wrote:
>
> How much do you bet that Airazor will come out of the closet this
> season?
Barton Fink >
John Thorpe, a.k.a. SNAP!!!MAN wrote:
>
> >
> > In article <6b8r47$bgc$1...@solaris.cc.vt.edu> "Charles Calhoun" <grim...@vt.edu> writes:
> > >>Howell III from Gilligan's Island. Jim Backus, I believe, is the actor.
> >
> > I could be wrong, but didn't Jim Backus(sp?) died before the TRANSFORMERS
> > cartoon aired? I agree about the stereotypical use of an English accent to
> > convey aristocracy/higher learning, but I don't think Tracks and Mr. Howell
> > were the same actor.
>
> I don't think they were, either (then again I haven't seen any episodes
> with Tracks in them in years, so I can't compare the voices). By the
> way, Jim Backus died after the Transformers aired (I think in 1989).
> --
I don't think Charles Calhoun was implying they were the same actor,
just that their voices were similar in tone. Comparing them to point
out why Tracks sounded the way he did, which wasn't because he was gay.
Hey, since Transformers really don't have gender, couldn't you make a
case against Arcee?
Good Lord, this is silly.
Now that we've debated the gay Transformers, who do we know that
absolutely is not? My bets are on Megatron.
Dalmatian
> Now that we've debated the gay Transformers, who do we know that
> absolutely is not? My bets are on Megatron.
Hmmmm, who is absolutely not gay.
Ravage.
He's a cat (the only pure kitty), what can he be attracted to? :)
Don't go and say TFs that tranform into cats though.
Pounce, Razorclaw, Rampage examples.
Dalmatian
GRNRAPTOR
> This brings disturbing new theories on why BW Megs has a head on his
> hand...
<I don't want to know where he sticks the tail on the other hand...>
no wonder he has a mad look!he was givin' it to him self and a loud boom just
outside the base startled him and he gripped to tight and......ouch!!*
*this theory is based on the toy,i have no idea of the show
Optimus84
There is no way that either Optimus Prime or Megatron are gay.
Charles Calhoun
Barton Fink > <" wrote in message <6baf33$knb$1@nnrp1>...
>> I don't think they were, either (then again I haven't seen any episodes
>> with Tracks in them in years, so I can't compare the voices). By the
>> way, Jim Backus died after the Transformers aired (I think in 1989).
>
>just that their voices were similar in tone. Comparing them to point
>out why Tracks sounded the way he did, which wasn't because he was gay
Hey, *I* wasn't the one who said it was the same guy! I don't
even remember what Tracks sounded like.
>Good Lord, this is silly.
It's a toy newsgroup. you don't want silly? :)
>Now that we've debated the gay Transformers, who do we know that
>absolutely is not? My bets are on Megatron.
Eh? Didn't he order that all the female transformers be hunted
down or something? (I could be completely wrong, it's just what
I gather from fanfic, I missed the female Autobot episode).
Ginsana!
I always perceived that Starscream had sort of...effette...mannerisms,
but I also assumed that they were an affectation he had adopted as part
of his "aristocratic bearing." Being an asexual lifeform, Starscream of
course has no concept of sexual preference (except for the phenomena he
has observed in other lifeforms like humans). While any Transformer may
or may not manifest behaviors that humans would associated with
sexuality, these behaviors in a Cybertronian context would be social
rather than sexual in nature. Hence, the presence of what seem to be
"gender roles" in TFG1 and Beast Wars which are inconsistent with
asexuality--there are certain _social_ roles which happen to encompass
those Transformers with "feminine" characteristics.
A better question to ask is whether Cobra Commander, who shared his
voice actor (Chris Latta) and consequentially many of his mannerisms
with Starscream, is gay or straight. But it's an inappropriate question
to ask about a Transformer.
--Jordan Beasley, chuckling at the possibility that Starscream's
inability to kill Megatron stemmed from a sort of quasi-sexual
attraction...
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Barton Fink >
Charles Calhoun wrote:
>
> Barton Fink > <" wrote in message <6baf33$knb$1@nnrp1>...
> >> I don't think they were, either (then again I haven't seen any episodes
> >> with Tracks in them in years, so I can't compare the voices). By the
> >> way, Jim Backus died after the Transformers aired (I think in 1989).
> >
> >I don't think Charles Calhoun was implying they were the same actor,
> >just that their voices were similar in tone. Comparing them to point
> >out why Tracks sounded the way he did, which wasn't because he was gay
>
> Hey, *I* wasn't the one who said it was the same guy! I don't
> even remember what Tracks sounded like.
Yeah, you're right. It was Waspinator, I think. (The poster, not the
BW character.)
Rian Mueller
> There is no way that either Optimus Prime or Megatron are gay.
Good point. I couldn't have made a better argument myself.
Greg E. Dopp
On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Ginsana! wrote:
> I always perceived that Starscream had sort of...effette...mannerisms,
> but I also assumed that they were an affectation he had adopted as part
> of his "aristocratic bearing." Being an asexual lifeform, Starscream of
> course has no concept of sexual preference (except for the phenomena he
> has observed in other lifeforms like humans). While any Transformer may
> or may not manifest behaviors that humans would associated with
> sexuality, these behaviors in a Cybertronian context would be social
> rather than sexual in nature. Hence, the presence of what seem to be
> "gender roles" in TFG1 and Beast Wars which are inconsistent with
> asexuality--there are certain _social_ roles which happen to encompass
> those Transformers with "feminine" characteristics.
>
> A better question to ask is whether Cobra Commander, who shared his
> voice actor (Chris Latta) and consequentially many of his mannerisms
> with Starscream, is gay or straight. But it's an inappropriate question
> to ask about a Transformer.
>
> --Jordan Beasley
What! Cobra Commander gay?!
Wait a minute, that could make sense...
He was always hanging around with the "mysterious" Destro
who never showed his face, Zartan who could change his
"colors" at will, the Dreadnoks, legions of Cobra soldiers
but hardly ever a Cobratte.
And the Baroness was always being rebuffed by Destro I think...
And to think this show was marketed to little boys.
Oh the subversive horror, the horror
Actually in the context of the show it might be meaningless to fix
sexual preference roles on characters, but you could also say that
the entire lot of Bots and Cons could've been gay if you look at the
lack of female TFs except for a few exceptions like Arcee.
And some certainly could have been voiced and animated in a
flamboyantly gay way.
Maybe Starscream would've easily defeated Megatron on numerous
occasions except "he couldn't bear to hurt his pretty little face" :' )
Greg D
Ryan Hawe
Starscream always seemed straight to me -- a even suspected that he wanted
command in order to impress a feminoid Decep that he left behind back
home... (awwww...)
"When I return, you sahll be Queen of the Galaxy!" and all that...
But I wonder about BW Inferno.
I mean, he's a male ant.
Male ants have but one function -- to mate with queen ants.
He calls Megatron "Queen".
I see definite problems in the near future...
"Yes, My Queen!"
"I do wish he wouldn't call me that...in public..."
Ryan :>
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Doug Dlin
Wasn't gonna participate in this thread, but this one caught my eye...
On Feb. 5, 1998, Ryan Hawe wrote:
>
> Starscream always seemed straight to me -- a even suspected that he
> wanted command in order to impress a feminoid Decep that he left
> behind back home... (awwww...)
>
> "When I return, you sahll be Queen of the Galaxy!" and all that...
>
> But I wonder about BW Inferno.
>
> I mean, he's a male ant.
> Male ants have but one function -- to mate with queen ants.
> He calls Megatron "Queen".
> I see definite problems in the near future...
>
Actually, according to our company's token biology major, as a
worker/soldier ant, Inferno's template would've been a neuter female.
Make of that what you will...
Doug Dlin
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Asphalt476
I really think the "scholarly criticism" that has gone on about this thread
has really missed the point.
First of all... Transformers are fictional robots and their characterizations
are written to appeal to humans who watch the shows. They were written to
appeal to children first and foremost and I don't think it ever occured to the
original writers to make this one gay and that one straight. I think the plots
and characters were written with archetypal personalities in mind... the dull
but brawny hero, the thoughtful, peaceful elder, the effete, duplicitous
villian... They are easy to identify, they exist in the most ancient myths and
fairy tales.
There are archetypes in all literature that posess varying degrees of male and
female characteristics to either create an internal balance or internal
emotional conflict that motivates a character in various directions to move a
fictional story along. Plot is conflict. Man against man, Man against nature,
etc. Male and female characteristics can be projected onto abstractions like
"nature" for instance... but one would never say that nature is * literally*
gay or transsexual or hermaphroditic. Not except in *metaphor*.
These metaphorical characterizations allow the human mind to enter or identify
with non-human concepts and entities. Robots from Cybertron included.
As fun as it is to do for us nostalgic adults, I don't think the writers of the
original G1 cartoon nor do the writers of BW today expect us to extrapolate
these types of sexual back stories to their characters. It is to a great degree
a projection of adult values onto childrens stories.
Lotor
On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Greg E. Dopp wrote:
> Maybe Starscream would've easily defeated Megatron on numerous
> occasions except "he couldn't bear to hurt his pretty little face" :' )
Or maybe Starscream secretly admired Megatron for his bigger...gun.
Starscream had puny little arm blasters compared to Megatron's huge fusion
cannon.
C. Brickman Way
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Ka Faraq Gatri
>
>How much do you bet that Airazor will come out of the closet this
>season?
Nah. She and Tigatron will return at the end of the season with a
bunch of little winged tiger cubs. They're gonna drive Cheetor and
Rattrap crazy!
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Ka Faraq Gatri wrote:
>
> On Wed, 04 Feb 1998 08:30:01 -0800, "John Thorpe, a.k.a. SNAP!!!MAN"
> <snap...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >How much do you bet that Airazor will come out of the closet this
> >season?
>
> Nah. She and Tigatron will return at the end of the season with a
> bunch of little winged tiger cubs. They're gonna drive Cheetor and
> Rattrap crazy!
That's a good idea for some new Fuzor toys.
Waspinator
Robert A. Jung wrote in message ...
> I could be wrong, but didn't Jim Backus(sp?) died before the TRANSFORMERS
>cartoon aired? I agree about the stereotypical use of an English accent to
>convey aristocracy/higher learning, but I don't think Tracks and Mr. Howell
>were the same actor.
Hm, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean that they were the same actor, just that
they have similar voices.
ADY, who can't think of a catchy tag at the moment.
Ginsana!
Asphalt476 wrote:
*snip of wonderful commentary on the imposition of adult values onto
children's stories*
Well said, Asphalt. Keeping in mind that what you say is true, however,
I think much of this "adultified" (if you will) analysis of the
Transformers is interesting in and of itself. It's an amusing way for
one to occupy one's thoughts. Indeed, most superior fan fiction expands
upon the original, children-oriented, archetypal and _cliche'd_
characterization and injects it with a grittier tone spurred by adult
motivations, behaviors, and concerns. Like you noted, we project
ourselves into what we are seeing (or playing with, as the case may
be). That is why we are so enthralled with the mythos and why we have
invested in it emotionally. Therefore, it's only natural that our
conversations would gravitate towards "adult" Transformer themes, or at
least those issues with a greater than second-grade complexity. Yes,
it's all ultimately useless as far as the canon goes, but big deal.
It's fun.
--Jordan Beasley, pleased to see a person he thinks is a newbie with
intelligent, clear and eloquent commentary after a month of trolls...
SILVERBOLT
> I don't think they were, either (then again I haven't seen
> any episodes with Tracks in them in years, so I can't
> compare the voices). By the way, Jim Backus died after
> the Transformers aired (I think in 1989).
Not that it matters, as Jim Backus clearly had no association
with the Transformers (voicewise, anyway), but he did indeed
die on July 3rd, 1989 at the not-so-tender age of 76. By the way,
he was also the original voice of Mr. Magoo, and I'll give
anyone who thinks Tracks sounds at all like him an order of
Neural Cybertonium. :)
Rikard Bakke
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Please!
This isn't even necessary.
You've seen him with Blacky!
He's a normal straight male Decepticon.
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The Nixtr wrote in message <34DCB7...@Xjerseycape.com>...
>Please!
>This isn't even necessary.
>You've seen him with Blacky!
>He's a normal straight male Decepticon.
I'll buy that he's straight. I'll even believe he's male.
But you're telling me Starscream's NORMAL!?
harleydo
What started this whole homosexuality with the robots? It seems almost
as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
butterflies of love.
Adam(HARLEYDO)
TransMetal MegaBee
> > >
> > >Tracks is not gay.
> >
> > Exactly. All gay people are not Big Gay Al. Very few are.
> >
> > They're more like... Brawn.
> How much do you bet that Airazor will come out of the closet this
> season?
Heh. I'll take that bet....
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Thylacine 2000
TransMetal MegaBee wrote:
> > How much do you bet that Airazor will come out of the closet this
> > season?
>
> Heh. I'll take that bet....
I guess AR's little romp with Tigatron in the flowerbed in "Other
Visits:1" escaped your attention :) You know, I'm one of the few people
who *didn't* totally hate that scene. It was corny, but the concept was
sweet enough.
Grrrlgoyle
Well, if he hadn't seen it, it was just *spoiled* for him. Be careful
everyone..it's really easy to forget.
By the way, I thought the scene was sweet too. And Airrazor could be bi. ;-)
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The Nixtr <Remove X to reply>
QUOTING:
It seems almost
as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
butterflies of love.
Adam(HARLEYDO)
RESPONSE: Why? TF's have emotions.
Charles Calhoun
The Nixtr wrote in message <34E193...@Xjerseycape.com>...
>QUOTING:
> It seems almost
>as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
>butterflies of love.
>
yes, but they haven't got... you know... naughty bits.
Tykus the Gladiator
harleydo wrote:
>
> What started this whole homosexuality with the robots? It seems almost
> as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
> butterflies of love.
>
Get a grip and lighten up, Harleydo. Gay TFs was just a reaction to not
having new BW episodes in 2 months.
Tykus, going insane as Inferno
Thylacine 2000
Charles Calhoun wrote:
> The Nixtr wrote in message <34E193...@Xjerseycape.com>...
> >QUOTING:
> > It seems almost
> >as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
> >butterflies of love.
> >
> >RESPONSE: Why? TF's have emotions.
>
> yes, but they haven't got... you know... naughty bits.
Then why would Waspinator react the way he did after Rattrap kneed him
in his....naughty bits....in "Other Voices:1"?
--
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--- Ecclesiastes 3:19
Rob Rosenberg
Here's my take: now I don't think Hot Rod and Wreck-Gar are gay, but
after declaring their truce in TF: TM, they were dancing a little
strangely. Not something I'd do with a new friend of the same sex....
Rob Rosenberg
Charles Calhoun
Thylacine 2000 wrote in message <34E209C9...@NOSPAMfas.harvard.edu>...
>> >RESPONSE: Why? TF's have emotions.
>>
>> yes, but they haven't got... you know... naughty bits.
>
>Then why would Waspinator react the way he did after Rattrap kneed him
>in his....naughty bits....in "Other Voices:1"?
I dunno. I guess I can maybe accept BW characters as
sexual beings, because they have animal DNA...
But I think it would nonetheless be a strange and
alien concept to them, because I don't believe that
transformers naturally have gender.
But I guess that wouldn't affect Airazor and Tigger
because they were built on earth... hm. Okay, I guess
they're exempt. :)
Grrrlgoyle
Charles Calhoun wrote:
>
> The Nixtr wrote in message <34E193...@Xjerseycape.com>...
> >QUOTING:
> > It seems almost
> >as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
> >butterflies of love.
> >
>
> yes, but they haven't got... you know... naughty bits.
Are you saying that you can't have *love* without naughty bits? Jeeze! What a cynic!
There are many kinds of love that doesn't involve naughty part use. (Love that
term! ;-D)
~~~~Grrrlgoyle the Romantic.........
Thylacine 2000
Grrrlgoyle wrote:
> Thylacine 2000 wrote:
> >
> > TransMetal MegaBee wrote:
> >
> > > > How much do you bet that Airazor will come out of the closet this
> > > > season?
> > >
> > > Heh. I'll take that bet....
(my dumb non-advertized *SPOILER* deleted, in case someone was lucky enough to
miss it)
> >
> Well, if he hadn't seen it, it was just *spoiled* for him. Be careful
> everyone..it's really easy to forget.
Ugh! I can't believe I did that. Very, very sorry, it won't happen
again.......By the way, everybody dies at the end of "The Agenda:3"--AW, DAMMIT!
:)
Charles Calhoun
Grrrlgoyle wrote in message <34E2ABE5...@ccnet.com>...
>> >QUOTING:
>> > It seems almost
>> >as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
>> >butterflies of love.
>> >
>> >RESPONSE: Why? TF's have emotions.
>>
>> yes, but they haven't got... you know... naughty bits.
>
>Are you saying that you can't have *love* without naughty bits? Jeeze! What
a cynic!
>
>There are many kinds of love that doesn't involve naughty part use. (Love
that
>term! ;-D)
Well, yes, there can be *love*, but without those damned
hormones and things I doubt there'd be romantic love,
holding hands, 'butterflies', or cheesy dialogue.
To me, transformers just have a completely different way
of expressing love than we do. To try and transpose our
ideas about relationships onto these characters... it
might work for a few BW characters, but overall it doesn't
fit.
TransMetal MegaBee
Thylacine 2000 <gre...@NOSPAMfas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> TransMetal MegaBee wrote:
> > > How much do you bet that Airazor will come out of the closet this
> > > season?
> >
> > Heh. I'll take that bet....
> I guess AR's little romp with Tigatron in the flowerbed in "Other
> Visits:1" escaped your attention :) You know, I'm one of the few people
> who *didn't* totally hate that scene. It was corny, but the concept was
> sweet enough.
No, I _did_ notice it. That's why I took that bet. See, the _other_ guy
was betting that Airazor would come out of the closet.
harleydo
You people need to get out more
Dan Campbell
Charles Calhoun wrote:
> The Nixtr wrote in message <34E193...@Xjerseycape.com>...
> >QUOTING:
> > It seems almost
> >as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
> >butterflies of love.
> >RESPONSE: Why? TF's have emotions.
> yes, but they haven't got... you know... naughty bits.
I'd say Rattrap has HIS naughty bit set, but then you'd think I was some
hack programmer :)
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> Amar Bhatia wrote:
> >
> > He's gotta be gay. Period.
> > 'nuff said.
>
> Man, they better get some new episodes out soon. People are really
> scrapin the bottom of the barrel for things to talk about.
> <g>
>
> Lucas
Starscream gay as if! Starscream is as Straight as they
come.
{TRUE_USER_NAME}
QUOTING:
You people need to get out more
RESPONSE: Like Starscream when he got out of that closet?
{TRUE_USER_NAME}
QUOtinG:
> >as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
> >butterflies of love.
RESPONSE: In my own interpetation of the TF universe (for the fanfic I'm
writing)... I made the HANDS the reproductive organs!!!!! (But I
planned that before this came about.)
Lotor
When in beast mode, don't they already have reproductive organs?
The Nixtr
QUOTING:
When in beast mode, don't they already have reproductive organs?
RESPONSE: I'm not one to check.
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Lotor wrote:
>
> On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, {TRUE_USER_NAME} wrote:
>
> > > >as silly as two Transformers !!HOLDING HANDS!! and feeling the
> > > >butterflies of love.
> >
> > RESPONSE: In my own interpetation of the TF universe (for the fanfic I'm
> > writing)... I made the HANDS the reproductive organs!!!!! (But I
> > planned that before this came about.)
>
I beg you, do not go there. ;-)
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> He's gotta be gay. Period.
> 'nuff said.
Zobovor
> I don't know about being "Gay", since I'm not exactly sure about transformers
> sexuality, but he is supremely effeminate. He was given an overly small
> feminine frame with over exaggerated shoulders like what was seen in a 1980's
> female business woman's suit. Also his feet are shaped like High Heeled pumps.
With that said, if we're going to analyze Starscream's physical attributes, don't forget his pronounced boobs, complete with launching boob missiles.
Zob (insert remarks about the Monica Lewinski scandal here... since it's still 1998 apparently)
Gustavo Wombat
> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:48:44 AM UTC-7, steell...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don't know about being "Gay", since I'm not exactly sure about transformers
>> sexuality, but he is supremely effeminate. He was given an overly small
>> feminine frame with over exaggerated shoulders like what was seen in a 1980's
>> female business woman's suit. Also his feet are shaped like High Heeled pumps.
>
> There really needs to be some kind of Usenet protocol to prevent people
> from replying to messages from 19 years ago.
>
> With that said, if we're going to analyze Starscream's physical
> attributes, don't forget his pronounced boobs, complete with launching boob missiles.
romantic interest in anyone or anything. I believe he was canonically
referred to with the masculine pronouns, and I don't see why people think
that he is effeminate -- he's no lumberjack, but he's well within the
bounds of masculine behavior.
So, cis-gender, male, asexual.
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he’s an asexual cis-gender male.