Beast Wars is a travesty!!
Wheeljak
the transformers, and what do I see but a stupid bat called Optimus
Primal! That flies in the face (no pun intended) of everything about the
Transformers that I hold in my fond memories of childhood. I think Hasbro
was smoking crack when they decided to hand over the TF to Kenner. I
cannot name a single decent toy that came from that company since Star
Wars.
BRING BACK THE 18-WHEELER!!!!
Fill in your name here
: I went to the toy store the other day to check out what was going on with
Okay, so there's a bat. So WHAT?! Let's see, we had Ratbat,
Mindwipe and Wingthing and no one seems to flame them as much as I've
seen the bat mode of Optimus Primal take. As for your memories, I'm sure
they're precious (as all of ours are) but what is so horrible about
animal Transformers for ONE bloody year? Can someone explain this? Some
of the most loved TF's (Dinobots, Predacons..) have been animals. I
mean, we TF fans have asked for a big marketing push for the TF's for a
while now and we are getting a computer generated series, we have toys
that (contrary to popular opinion) actually did take thought to produce
(I mean, let me see you make a Dinobot or Tarantulas in your garage). I
just find it disturbing that Kenner/Hasbro tries to produce a good toy
line that IS selling (as said by some posts on a.t.t. and stores near
me), a new show and all we fans do is complain, complain, complain!
If you think Kenner is all to blame for this, I've got news
folks, Kenner didn't make the Beast Wars. Hasbro had it planned long
before the whole Hasbro/Kenner thing happened. Kenner just helped with
the marketing part (which is not insubstantial). As for Kenner making
crappy toys, you know what? I agree. But just because some nut thought
it would be a good idea to make Doomsday from Superman totally unposable,
it doesn't mean that that same guy planned the Beast Wars! What do you
think? There's one bloody person sitting there planning toys for the
whole company?! They have a different staff for each line and if any of
Kenner's people rubbed their influence off on Beast Wars, I can assure
you, they are not necesarily the same EXACT people who work on Batman or
Superman or Aliens toys.
Finally, how do the Beast Wars (as a toy line) NOT fit into the
scheme of Transformers? They are posable (even the little ones). They
have nice transforms (the Deluxes, not the little guys) and is there some
golden rule written by the almighty that says that ALL Transformers must
be vehicles and weapons? If there is, I guess making "Call of the
Primitives" was a bad idea from the 2006 series huh? I figure the
Predaking set that everyone wants and the mint in box Dinobots that
people would like to own all shoudln't exist right?
Forgive my extra long rant (and that's what it is) but I am so
tired of hearing EVERYONE complain about how much they hate Beast Wars!
What happened to the kind of fan that tried to look at the GOOD aspects
of a toy line? Do we live in such a pessimistic and horrible world that
all we can do is see bad in things? Understand, I'm not into censoring
or telling anyone to shut up about their negative views but I'm beginning
to feel like I'm drowning in "I hate Beast Wars." posts while being the
sole defender of the line. Just my two (or more) cents. Thanks for reading.
Interbot
Iggy Drougge
: I went to the toy store the other day to check out what was going on with
: the transformers, and what do I see but a stupid bat called Optimus
: Primal! That flies in the face (no pun intended) of everything about the
: Transformers that I hold in my fond memories of childhood. I think Hasbro
: was smoking crack when they decided to hand over the TF to Kenner. I
: cannot name a single decent toy that came from that company since Star
: Wars.
Well, FYI, it was Hasbro who made BW, and then pushed them over to
Kenner. Kenner then gave the TF staff from Hasbro the sack.
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around beat wars may be here to stay for maor than 1 year.
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msipher
On 14 Mar 1996, Comictron wrote:
> I'd hate to tell you, Yeebe but it looks like with all the licensing going
> around beat wars may be here to stay for maor than 1 year.
Y'know, I really don't have too much of a problem with that. As much as I
miss cars and planes, and even if the fiction behind it is fairly
weak, the BW toys are generally high-quality toys.
M "I Want The Kitty!!!" Sipher
JDante
>Wheeljak (whee...@aol.com) wrote:
>: I went to the toy store the other day to check out what was going on with
>: the transformers, and what do I see but a stupid bat called Optimus
>: Primal! That flies in the face (no pun intended) of everything about the
>: Transformers that I hold in my fond memories of childhood. I think Hasbro
>: was smoking crack when they decided to hand over the TF to Kenner. I
>: cannot name a single decent toy that came from that company since Star
>: Wars.
>-----------------------------------------------
>
> Okay, so there's a bat. So WHAT?! Let's see, we had Ratbat,
>Mindwipe and Wingthing and no one seems to flame them as much as I've
>....all we can do is see bad in things? Understand, I'm not into censoring
>to feel like I'm drowning in "I hate Beast Wars." posts while being the
>sole defender of the line. Just my two (or more) cents. Thanks for reading.
>
>Ben
>ye...@is2.nyu.edu
Now, I haven't been seeing all of the BW posts as I don't usually have
access to a.t.t., but I've heard the BW posts all the way in
rec.toys.misc (which is as close to a TF newsgroup as I can get). I
don't think they're bad toys, my roommate at college seems to like to
play with them (either that or they rearrange themselves), and my little
brother and his Jr. High School friends are racing each other to see who
can get all the BW first. So it seems that some people like them. The
Wal-Mart and K-Mart in town have sold out multiple times (and they're
getting low again). The bottom line is someone likes them, and they're
selling, which means that the TF line won't get discontinued, and they're
getting popular with the next generation of kids, and all of this means
that the TF will continue to stick around. And if the TFs stick around,
there will be more of a chance to see Prime come back as the 18- (or
really 10-) wheeler. IMO, Beast Wars TFs, although not as good as some
TFs, are better than no TFs. In fact, the deluxe ones I'd say are some
of the cooler TFs I've seen. And whether or not people like them, the
fact is Beast Wars have been released, and there's no getting around
that. We'll just have to live with it, good or bad. You can't make good
TFs without making bad ones also, or all TFs would just be average. And
I'm babbling at this point. I guess my bottom line is - Beast Wars :
Live With It. It's better than nothing.
JDante
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Dirge
> Okay, so there's a bat. So WHAT?! Let's see, we had Ratbat,
>Mindwipe and Wingthing and no one seems to flame them as much as I've
>seen the bat mode of Optimus Primal take. As for your memories, I'm sure
Well I guess people don't like seeing prime as a bat. It doesn't worry
me. I have no intention of ever buying the two-pack if the BW ever gets
to Australia. I've never been a huge fan of OP. If they were to put out a
BW Beachcomber or First Aid (two of my faves), I guess I'd be a little
pissed. As it stands, I want to get Terrosaur Waspinator Iguanus &
Tarantulus. These toys all look cool, from what I've seen. Sure,
Terrosaur is simplistic, but he still looks cool (don't forget that my
favourite Tf is a minibot).
>just find it disturbing that Kenner/Hasbro tries to produce a good toy
>line that IS selling (as said by some posts on a.t.t. and stores near
>me), a new show and all we fans do is complain, complain, complain!
> Forgive my extra long rant (and that's what it is) but I am so
>tired of hearing EVERYONE complain about how much they hate Beast Wars!
>What happened to the kind of fan that tried to look at the GOOD aspects
>of a toy line? Do we live in such a pessimistic and horrible world that
>all we can do is see bad in things? Understand, I'm not into censoring
>or telling anyone to shut up about their negative views but I'm beginning
>to feel like I'm drowning in "I hate Beast Wars." posts while being the
>sole defender of the line. Just my two (or more) cents. Thanks for reading.
I'm looking forward to getting Terrosaur so much I've decided to have him
shipped out here (:
When I first heard of BW, I was hesitant because I thought it would mean
crappy animal-style TFs.. like Monsterbots except of poorer design quality.
When I saw the pictures, I realised these TFs don't suck. Even Razorbeast
(who seems to be unpopular) is far more posable than most G1 TFs. I don't
like the look of Cheetor or Dinobot at all (I have weird tastes huh?),
but they're still damn posable toys - doesn't that count for something?
It means someone really thought about them.
Darren (Ben's new ally)
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Believe it or not, I could take another year of Beast Wars as
well as long as they maintain the good transformations and overall
quality of the toys. The storyline does need work though.
d Assistants
: I went to the toy store the other day to check out what was going on with
: the transformers, and what do I see but a stupid bat called Optimus
: Primal! That flies in the face (no pun intended) of everything about the
: Transformers that I hold in my fond memories of childhood. I think Hasbro
: was smoking crack when they decided to hand over the TF to Kenner. I
: cannot name a single decent toy that came from that company since Star
: Wars.
: BRING BACK THE 18-WHEELER!!!!
You are totally right dewd. Beast Wars is a "kick in the groin, then a
knee to the face" to most true TF fans. I think Hasbro had the big
six-foot bong full of crack when they let Kenner take over. Even the
remakes of the Star Wars toys are horrible... Luke, with his huge chest
musles, etc... It's nuts. Of course, I always liked the original Star Wars
toys with the built in light sabers... Anyway, Beast Wars is a travesty,
Optimus Primal... what a joke... Megatron a crocodile... The name
Megatron doesn't even have anything to do with a crocodile... errr...
Maybe I'll just get those McDonald's toys and tie them to M-80's and get
a cheap laugh as they fly into hundreds of pieces (i used to do that to my
G.I. Joes... i was a very twisted kid... and I'm still really twisted now...)
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msipher <msi...@nando.net> writes:
>
>On 15 Mar 1996, Dirge wrote:
>
>> > Okay, so there's a bat. So WHAT?! Let's see, we had Ratbat,
>> >Mindwipe and Wingthing and no one seems to flame them as
much as I've
>> >seen the bat mode of Optimus Primal take. As for your memories,
I'm sure
>>
>> Well I guess people don't like seeing prime as a bat. It doesn't worry
>> me. I have no intention of ever buying the two-pack if the BW ever
gets
>> to Australia. I've never been a huge fan of OP.
>
>off of the Batman series... and little else. I'm not a bug OP fan
>mesself, but a bat mode simply does not suit him.
Actually, what I noticed the first time I transformed Optimus Primal
wasn't any sort of resemblance to Kenner's Batman - it was his striking
resemblance to Disney's Gargoyles (another vastly popular seller, at
least around here). The simple fact that his "disguise" mode is a bat
may connect him to Batman, but his robot mode looks a _lot_ like the
Gargoyles - _particularly_ because of one of the things I've heard a few
complaints about, ie. the fact that his wings don't fold back out of the
way but stay spread out from his shoulders.
Nothin' like milking the popularity of your own toy-lines and the
competition's at the same time to boost the popularity of another of
your own toy-lines...
Diana Calder
az...@freenet.carleton.ca
dca...@mnsi.net
Michelle Quevedo
Subject: Re: Beast Wars is a travesty!!
MSipher wrote:
>On 15 Mar 1996, Dirge wrote:
>
>It's just that Bat Prime is a fairly obvious attempt to milk
>popularity off of the Batman series... and little else. I'm not a bug
>OP fan mesself, but a bat mode simply does not suit him.
Agreed! This "bat thing" has to go! I know he's getting another form
- a gorilla, I think - but I'm not sure that's gonna help. (I can just
HEAR the 'Con fans having a field day with this one...) IMO, Prime HAS
to be a truck... a BIG truck.
>Terrorsaur and Tarantulas are my two faves... Terror just looks so
>damn *smoooooth*... for some reason, he reminds me of the original
>Decepticon jets (I'm not really sure why). And Tarantulas is just neat
>overall... his "clamp" feet allow him to grab his grappling line with
>tham and hang upside-down... I like the leg missiles... am I the only
>one who actually likes his robot mode head better than the mutant?
Terrorsaur has become my fav as well. I think his box art and the fact
that he eats live birds did it for me... (The McD's HM art for him
kicks a**!) Red and black are my favorite colors... Hhmmm... haven't
tried hanging Tarantulas yet... I like his robot head better than the
mutant one.
> >just find it disturbing that Kenner/Hasbro tries to produce a good
> >toy line that IS selling (as said by some posts on a.t.t. and stores
> >near me), a new show and all we fans do is complain, complain, >
>complain!
>
>Right on. I was as apprehensive about TF as anybody (okay,, maybe
>not... there were some people who were in blind rage or blind panic),
>but I honestly think that Kenner did a fine job, considering that
>Hasbro apparently dumped this whole thing in their laps. Except for
>the Maximal/Predacon thing, I think BW is doing fine.
I was in a blind rage the first day I saw them... it lasted three days.
After I started to cool off, BWs didn't seem so bad - the toys anyway.
The story sucks!
>That, and they do seem to be selling well... Dinobots disappear pretty
>quickly, and while BW doesn't exactly sell out around here, it does
>just as well as any other toy line, if not better.
I described how they are selling down here in another post under the
"Beast wars sells!" thread... (don't feel like going back to find out
what article number...)
>EXACTLY. As far as toys go, these things are MUCH better than
>practically EVERY other line out there. While the fiction behind it
>may not digest easily, the toy quality is very high. They're very
>detailed, very posable, all the weapons GO somewhere in animal mode...
>I can't wait to see Polar Claw, Scorponok, and the new versions of
>Optimus and Megatron.
>
>> Darren (Ben's new ally)
>
>M "I'll Join Darren & Ben On This" Sipher
I can't wait to see PC and Scorponok either... I already gave my
opinion on Prime. As for Megatron as a T-rex... I thought Megatron
and Grimlock didn't like each other...
I know I'm new here but I'd like to join with Ben, Darren and MSipher
on this - if they'll let me. :)
Michelle
Dirge
>Agreed! This "bat thing" has to go! I know he's getting another form
>- a gorilla, I think - but I'm not sure that's gonna help. (I can just
>HEAR the 'Con fans having a field day with this one...) IMO, Prime HAS
>to be a truck... a BIG truck.
Well I don't care much for OP, but I know I wasn't impressed to see a
that horrible red on Beachcomer.
>>Terrorsaur and Tarantulas are my two faves... Terror just looks so
>>damn *smoooooth*... for some reason, he reminds me of the original
>>Decepticon jets (I'm not really sure why). And Tarantulas is just neat
>>overall... his "clamp" feet allow him to grab his grappling line with
>>tham and hang upside-down... I like the leg missiles... am I the only
>>one who actually likes his robot mode head better than the mutant?
>Terrorsaur has become my fav as well. I think his box art and the fact
>that he eats live birds did it for me... (The McD's HM art for him
>kicks a**!) Red and black are my favorite colors... Hhmmm... haven't
>tried hanging Tarantulas yet... I like his robot head better than the
>mutant one.
ARGH! I want my Terrosaur dammit! (:
>I was in a blind rage the first day I saw them... it lasted three days.
>After I started to cool off, BWs didn't seem so bad - the toys anyway.
>The story sucks!
I know I wont be in a blind rage first time I see them...
>>> Darren (Ben's new ally)
>>
>>M "I'll Join Darren & Ben On This" Sipher
>I know I'm new here but I'd like to join with Ben, Darren and MSipher
>on this - if they'll let me. :)
>Michelle
Sure, last time I checked, this was a friendly newsgroup.
Darren.
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: Wheeljak (whee...@aol.com) wrote:
[snip]
: You are totally right dewd. Beast Wars is a "kick in the groin, then a
: six-foot bong full of crack when they let Kenner take over.
Okay...right. I AM a true Transformers fan. I like Beast Wars.
I guess that it shocks you that some "real" TF fans can like Beast Wars
huh? Do me a favor (anyone), please show me a 'fake' Transformers fan or
an 'untrue' Transformers fan. Oh, and I feel no "kick in the groin or
knee to the face." so I guess that's another advantage of liking Beast Wars.
As for Hasbro/Kenner, I got news for ya, Hasbro planned the Beast
Wars toys. Kenner just got stuck with the marketing and IMHO, they've
done a great job! :)
[snip] (I don't want to get into Star Wars on this group)
: toys with the built in light sabers... Anyway, Beast Wars is a travesty,
: Optimus Primal... what a joke... Megatron a crocodile... The name
: Megatron doesn't even have anything to do with a crocodile... errr...
: Maybe I'll just get those McDonald's toys and tie them to M-80's and get
: a cheap laugh as they fly into hundreds of pieces (i used to do that to my
: G.I. Joes... i was a very twisted kid... and I'm still really twisted now...)
Optimus Primal as a TOY isn't bad, I agree it should have been
another character. Primal would have been best as a lion or something
else however the appeal of Optimus Primal to kids is obvious. Someone
has already mentioned the 'Batman' association and you know what? It
makes sense. If some kid sees Optimus Primal as a bat and thinks "Well,
I like Batman, this Transformer is a bat, I'll get it!", Hasbro/Kenner
has made a sale.
Megatron as a name has little to do with a tank or a gun too.
Crocs are also pretty darn fierce. If you don't believe me, watch a
Nature special or go wrestle one. Either experience should show they're
pretty darn vicious if they want to be!
Beast Wars is NOT a "travesty". They are better made than SOME
of the G1 and G2 toys and are definately superior to MOST toy lines out
today. They are well made, posable and they can be played with without
fear of body parts breaking off every minute. Also, (not to TOTALLY
reiterate what I've said in my above posts), where is it written that ALL
TF's HAVE to be cars and planes?! I agree that the fiction behind the
Beast Wars is not good BUT as a toy line, why do they all have to be
vehicles? The Dinobots, Terrorcons, Dinoking etc. were all pretty
popular and no one every complained about THEIR animal/creature modes.
Ever since Jurassic Park, the 'spark' of wonder that kids have for
dinosaurs, animals etc. has been reignited. They're what's popular now
and that's what will sell. Beast Wars not only makes sense from a
marketing stand point, but it's a great toy line as well. Just my
.0289834 cents.
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Pavel Cotofana
out for myself: Beast Wars IS a travesty. It's a garish reminder of
the last days of TF G1, only these ones transform slightly better.
All in all, they still look like cheap pieces of plastic (kinda like
the robots inside the pretenders...ecch!)But, as long as people will
keep buyin' 'em, they'll keep on makin' 'em. And even if they don't,
they'll keep on makin' em anyway.
Pavel Cotofana
MASK was good.(that is, until they did late 80's TF G1 job on it:
quality and detail going kaput until all that was left was a tacky
ball of plastic....and then it ended.
Mask and Transformers....ahhh the good ol' days (*sigh*)..
Neil
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: This is only an opinion....I finally went down to K-Mart and found
-----------------------------------------------------------
Well, that's a valid opinion. HOWEVER, did you actually purchase
one, take it out and play with it? If you did, fine, but if you didn't
IMHO (which is starting to get less humble every day), the Beast Wars
toys are made of relatively good plastic (compared to some of G1). I'm
no plastic expert (yes, there are grades of plastic but I know little
about them). As for the robots inside the Pretenders (not to start a
whole new thread) but they were nice! They were (to me at least) what
the TF's probably were on Cybertron. I always saw them as having pure
Cybertronian modes, of course, Masterforce might make me think twice
about that...
Robert A. Jung
>d Assistants (esprsomn%/etc/HOSTNAME) wrote:
>>You are totally right dewd. Beast Wars is a "kick in the groin, then a
>>knee to the face" to most true TF fans.
>
>I guess that it shocks you that some "real" TF fans can like Beast Wars
>huh? Do me a favor (anyone), please show me a 'fake' Transformers fan or
>an 'untrue' Transformers fan.
The dorky-looking dweeb in the corner there, who says, "Oh, I love
Transformers! Leader-1 was such a kewl dude!" B-)
>Oh, and I feel no "kick in the groin or
>knee to the face." so I guess that's another advantage of liking Beast Wars.
No need to defend yourself, Benson. While I don't care for Beast Wars, I
don't think that anyone who likes them is not a "true" fan. And I'll bet most
of the TransFans here feel the same way. d Assistants was simply being a bit
more extreme in his opinionating there...
> Optimus Primal as a TOY isn't bad, I agree it should have been
>another character.
My biggest beef with Optimus Primal the character is his personality. The
line "Freedom may be the right of all sentient beings, but I'm gonna whomp
Megatron's tin butt across the galaxy!" (or whatever it says, I'm paraphrasing
from memory here) should send shivers down the spine of anyone who's ever
admired Optimus-the-big-red-semi-truck.
> Beast Wars is NOT a "travesty". They are better made than SOME
>of the G1 and G2 toys and are definately superior to MOST toy lines out
>today. They are well made, posable and they can be played with without
>fear of body parts breaking off every minute. Also, (not to TOTALLY
>reiterate what I've said in my above posts), where is it written that ALL
>TF's HAVE to be cars and planes?!
It's all personal preferences. For me, 'gators and bats and spiders lack
sufficient robotness for me to see them as Transformers: ROBOTS in disguise.
>The Dinobots, Terrorcons, Dinoking etc. were all pretty
>popular and no one every complained about THEIR animal/creature modes.
No one tried to build an entire toy line around them, either.
Just my three bits,
--R.J.
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Dirge
>Pavel Cotofana (Coto...@msn.com) wrote:
>: This is only an opinion....I finally went down to K-Mart and found
>: out for myself: Beast Wars IS a travesty. It's a garish reminder of
>: the last days of TF G1, only these ones transform slightly better.
>: All in all, they still look like cheap pieces of plastic (kinda like
>: the robots inside the pretenders...ecch!)But, as long as people will
>: keep buyin' 'em, they'll keep on makin' 'em. And even if they don't,
>: they'll keep on makin' em anyway.
It's better than nothing, right??
>-----------------------------------------------------------
> Well, that's a valid opinion. HOWEVER, did you actually purchase
>one, take it out and play with it? If you did, fine, but if you didn't
>IMHO (which is starting to get less humble every day), the Beast Wars
That's because everyone tries to shoot it down and you're defending it (:
>toys are made of relatively good plastic (compared to some of G1). I'm
>no plastic expert (yes, there are grades of plastic but I know little
>about them). As for the robots inside the Pretenders (not to start a
>whole new thread) but they were nice! They were (to me at least) what
>the TF's probably were on Cybertron. I always saw them as having pure
>Cybertronian modes, of course, Masterforce might make me think twice
>about that...
Everyone compares the BW to G1.
I'm the first one to defend Jazz & Bluestreak. But These guys are sturdy,
as some people have claimed. BW don't have delicate windscreens.
Everyone hates the pretenders, BW have earthly modes. Most TF fans like
the Dinobots or Predacons.
The're also posable. Even if you don't actually play with your TFs like I
don't, you have to admit that posabilty adds something to the play value
of the toy. It also opens more options for display.
Why don't people look at the positives in the new line? Face it, they're
the only TFs this year. I'm sure that at least 1 of the 9 put out so far
must be OK. Heck I'm already importing 2, and if I can afford it I'll be
getting another 2. Ben seems to be near unique amongst the peolw on ATT
in that he looks for the good aspects of the BW.
Darren, who's sure that MSipher & Michelle agree (:
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: In article <4ipbkr$o...@news.nyu.edu> ye...@is2.nyu.edu (Fill in your name here) writes:
: >d Assistants (esprsomn%/etc/HOSTNAME) wrote:
: The dorky-looking dweeb in the corner there, who says, "Oh, I love
: Transformers! Leader-1 was such a kewl dude!" B-)
Haven't ever met any though.
: No need to defend yourself, Benson. While I don't care for Beast Wars, I
: don't think that anyone who likes them is not a "true" fan. And I'll bet most
: of the TransFans here feel the same way. d Assistants was simply being a bit
: more extreme in his opinionating there...
True, I think so too. I think it's just good to be careful how
extreme people get. On the Star Trek newsgroups, one person likes one
show but doesn't like the next (say, the original series as opposed to
the current Voyager series) and all of a sudden everyone is cursing each
other out and accusing each other of not being real Star Trek fans. I
would find such a thing unfortunate here on a.t.t.
: My biggest beef with Optimus Primal the character is his personality. The
: line "Freedom may be the right of all sentient beings, but I'm gonna whomp
: Megatron's tin butt across the galaxy!" (or whatever it says, I'm paraphrasing
: from memory here) should send shivers down the spine of anyone who's ever
: admired Optimus-the-big-red-semi-truck.
First, I'd have to say that Hasbro/Kenner deliberately simplified
the tech specs. Prime is basically saying (from a younger kid's
perspective) "Freedom is good but we've got to stop the evil doers
first!". That's a message that many series have carried in the past. As
for Primal, I could understand him holding a grudge against Meggy.
They've been through a lot together (most of it bad).
: It's all personal preferences. For me, 'gators and bats and spiders lack
: sufficient robotness for me to see them as Transformers: ROBOTS in disguise.
True, I can see that.
: >The Dinobots, Terrorcons, Dinoking etc. were all pretty
: >popular and no one every complained about THEIR animal/creature modes.
: No one tried to build an entire toy line around them, either.
Yeah, but now that someone has, TF's are selling like they
haven't in quite some time. Food for thought.
: Just my three bits,
Real Name
>
> ye...@is2.nyu.edu (Fill in your name here) wrote:
> >Wheeljak (whee...@aol.com) wrote:
> >: I went to the toy store the other day to check out what was going on with
> >: the transformers, and what do I see but a stupid bat called Optimus
> >: Primal! That flies in the face (no pun intended) of everything about the
> >: Transformers that I hold in my fond memories of childhood. I think Hasbro
> >: was smoking crack when they decided to hand over the TF to Kenner. I
> >: cannot name a single decent toy that came from that company since Star
> >: Wars.
> >: BRING BACK THE 18-WHEELER!!!!
> >
> > Okay, so there's a bat. So WHAT?! Let's see, we had Ratbat,
> >Mindwipe and Wingthing and no one seems to flame them as much as I've
> >....all we can do is see bad in things? Understand, I'm not into censoring
> >to feel like I'm drowning in "I hate Beast Wars." posts while being the
> >sole defender of the line. Just my two (or more) cents. Thanks for reading.
> >
>gees man why don't they just bring back the first line of transformers
Iggy Drougge
: Well, that's a valid opinion. HOWEVER, did you actually purchase
: one, take it out and play with it? If you did, fine, but if you didn't
: IMHO (which is starting to get less humble every day), the Beast Wars
: toys are made of relatively good plastic (compared to some of G1). I'm
: no plastic expert (yes, there are grades of plastic but I know little
: about them). As for the robots inside the Pretenders (not to start a
: whole new thread) but they were nice! They were (to me at least) what
: the TF's probably were on Cybertron. I always saw them as having pure
: Cybertronian modes, of course, Masterforce might make me think twice
: about that...
Ooooer, notonly another Beast Wars fan, but a Pretender fan too! I'm with
you! The Pretenders are probably the most hated subgroup of TFs ever... I
like the inner robots, especially the "junior" Pretenders.
SUZANNE M FERREE
: >
: > Okay...right. I AM a true Transformers fan. I like Beast Wars.
: >I guess that it shocks you that some "real" TF fans can like Beast Wars
: >huh? Do me a favor (anyone), please show me a 'fake' Transformers fan or
: >an 'untrue' Transformers fan.
: Transformers! Leader-1 was such a kewl dude!" B-)
|sf>Well, some people still like Gobots AND TFs... (err, never mind.
Gobots are ok, but not worth defending...).
As far as the "pain" quote, I only cringe when it comes to
the Punbaa imitation guy (keep forgeting his name...oh well. It's no
big deal to me.).
: > Optimus Primal as a TOY isn't bad, I agree it should have been
: >another character.
:
: My biggest beef with Optimus Primal the character is his personality. The
: line "Freedom may be the right of all sentient beings, but I'm gonna whomp
: Megatron's tin butt across the galaxy!" (or whatever it says, I'm
:paraphrasing
: from memory here) should send shivers down the spine of anyone who's ever
: admired Optimus-the-big-red-semi-truck.
Yeah, but for those of us who don't admire him, it's a good
laugh. >:) However, I do agree that in a spooky way it's scary.
I hate to say this but it's a good thing that this is the Hasbro
designers' last line. I just hope Kenner's designers are more
careful.
: > Beast Wars is NOT a "travesty". They are better made than SOME
: >of the G1 and G2 toys and are definately superior to MOST toy lines out
: >today. They are well made, posable and they can be played with without
: >fear of body parts breaking off every minute. Also, (not to TOTALLY
Actually, that's part of the point. Body parts *can* come off
w/o them being snapped off forever. If they fall off the edge of the
table & an arm falls off it's big enough to find in the carpetting.
(unlike w/ some of the Rotor Force or Jetstorm. Stupid cheap black
feet. :( )
Besides, am I the only one who loves doing "battle damage" to
my Cyberjets? It's a lot like the old C3PO which intentionally came
in pieces & could be put back together. For some weird reason,
pretending that they're blown to bits (when they aren't) is fun! :)
(Yes, now you can reinact "Starscream's Brigade" in your very home
w/ this handy Cyberjet deconstruction kit. No screwdriver
necessary! >:) ). Dinobot's dino-arms are the same way...(although
you wouldn't want to do that to a living animal--Ouch! >:) )
: >reiterate what I've said in my above posts), where is it written that ALL
: >TF's HAVE to be cars and planes?!
:
: It's all personal preferences. For me, 'gators and bats and spiders lack
: sufficient robotness for me to see them as Transformers: ROBOTS in disguise.
Well, as plenty of people have pointed out the TFs have always
had 'gators and bats...and as far as spiders goes I seem to remember
a horror movie about a guy who built a whole bunch of robotic spiders
and sent them out to take over the world or something. I always
thought it would have been cool if they'd had made a TF to look
like one of those robotic spiders.
Granted, those spiders obviously looked like robots. Maybe
*that's* your point. The Beast Wars look a little too (as Rumble
puts it in the cartoon) fleshy. I mean, my mother probably wouldn't
mind Tarantulas if he'd looked like a robot spider, but since he
looks like a very realistic spider she's afraid that she'll accidentally
bump into it one of these days & mistake it for the real thing...
(That's why I'd have to buy him myself if I wanted him. >:) That's
also why she tried to tempt me into buying the OP & Megs pack when
I went to buy Tarantulas...but I ended up buying Waspinator instead.).
: >The Dinobots, Terrorcons, Dinoking etc. were all pretty
: >popular and no one every complained about THEIR animal/creature modes.
:
: No one tried to build an entire toy line around them, either.
True, & that's probably one of Hasbro's faults. For many
years it's been an all-or-nothing toy line. Last year it was almost
all Go-Bot Super Speed Racers. One time it was mostly Micromasters.
Hasbro doesn't believe in diversifying anymore. That's why I hope
that Kenner will be different when they actually get complete control
of the toy line (instead of just designing the ads. :P ).
(Dinoking? Is that the Japanese TF line w/ the dinosaurs or is
that supposed to be Predaking?)
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Dirge
>: The dorky-looking dweeb in the corner there, who says, "Oh, I love
>: Transformers! Leader-1 was such a kewl dude!" B-)
YEAH!! He was my favourite Transfo... just kidding (:
>: It's all personal preferences. For me, 'gators and bats and spiders lack
>: sufficient robotness for me to see them as Transformers: ROBOTS in disguise.
There is, of course, the other wy to look at that. If you were to see a
Cheetah in downtown <insert your hometown here>, would think 'damn!
That's Cheetor!' , or 'damn! the zoo's let a wildcat out'?
What better way to hide a robot than inside biological tissue?
I like to think of BW as Terminator-like beings: essentially robotic with
flesh. OK, so they can eat.. but they're still TF's essentially.
Darren.
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: ye...@is2.nyu.edu (Fill in your name here) writes:
: >Pavel Cotofana (Coto...@msn.com) wrote:
: That's because everyone tries to shoot it down and you're defending it (:
I know Dirge, it's starting to worry me.
: Everyone compares the BW to G1.
Which on one level I understand and on another level I can't
understand. I mean, yeah, G1 was INCREDIBLE for its time but the age of
diecast metal and rubber tires has passed for TF's.
: as some people have claimed. BW don't have delicate windscreens.
And they'd look silly with them.
: Everyone hates the pretenders, BW have earthly modes. Most TF fans like
: the Dinobots or Predacons.
There are SOME Pretender fans here.
: The're also posable. Even if you don't actually play with your TFs like I
: don't, you have to admit that posabilty adds something to the play value
: of the toy. It also opens more options for display.
I do displays and believe me, they look great in different poses!
: Why don't people look at the positives in the new line? Face it, they're
: the only TFs this year. I'm sure that at least 1 of the 9 put out so far
: must be OK. Heck I'm already importing 2, and if I can afford it I'll be
: getting another 2. Ben seems to be near unique amongst the peolw on ATT
: in that he looks for the good aspects of the BW.
I try to look for the good aspects of ANY toy line, not just TF's
(although they are my first love). I mean, say with the new Star Wars
line, I agree that many of the figures are too muscular and look very
little like the original characters. However, I also think that some of
them are improvements such as R2-D2 or Boba Fett.
: Darren, who's sure that MSipher & Michelle agree (:
Hope so, you guys are my only support on this issue so far.
Fill in your name here
: JDante <tck...@bright.net> wrote:
: >
: > ye...@is2.nyu.edu (Fill in your name here) wrote:
: > >Wheeljak (whee...@aol.com) wrote:
[snip]
: >
: > rec.toys.misc (which is as close to a TF newsgroup as I can get). I
: > don't think they're bad toys, my roommate at college seems to like to
: > play with them (either that or they rearrange themselves),
Nope, they're definately rearranging themselves :)
[snip]
: > selling, which means that the TF line won't get discontinued, and they're
: > getting popular with the next generation of kids, and all of this means
: > that the TF will continue to stick around. And if the TFs stick around,
: > there will be more of a chance to see Prime come back as the 18- (or
: > really 10-) wheeler.
True. I am absolutely open to vehicles, weapons, bases etc.
after Beast Wars. I just want to enjoy BW as long as it lasts.
IMO, Beast Wars TFs, although not as good as some
: > TFs, are better than no TFs. In fact, the deluxe ones I'd say are some
: > of the cooler TFs I've seen.
True, and some of the Beast Wars do rival the quality of earlier
generation ones.
And whether or not people like them, the
: > fact is Beast Wars have been released, and there's no getting around
: > that. We'll just have to live with it, good or bad. You can't make good
: > TFs without making bad ones also, or all TFs would just be average. And
: > I'm babbling at this point. I guess my bottom line is - Beast Wars :
: > Live With It. It's better than nothing.
: >
It is better than nothing and it is a worthwhile product. Look at
the toys, the packaging etc. You can tell thought and hard work went
into creating these toys. That's got to count for something.
: >gees man why don't they just bring back the first line of transformers
It would be nice if most of the molds weren't destroyed. I
wouldn't mind more classic re-releases though.
Dirge
>On 24 Mar 1996, Fill in your name here wrote:
>> : That's because everyone tries to shoot it down and you're defending it (:
>>
>> I know Dirge, it's starting to worry me.
>Welcome to Unpopular Causes. I'm your host, M Sipher. Today, we'll be
>discussing Pretenders, Action Masters, and Tonka GoBots, all of which I
>like...
Can we include one of my fave TF sub-series, the Micromasters?
>Precisely. How much did Jazz, Sideswipe & Inferno sell for when G2 first
>came out? I think part of the reason G2 flopped at the beginning was the
>toys were damn expensive... due to the metal and rubber in their
>construction. I only bought them once they hit Kay-Bee's "We're Trying
>To Get Rid Of These" displays...
Well TRU here sells the Heriocs for $7US. I bought Swiper (actually two
so my Red Alert could get a facelift) and I'm getting Inferno for my
birthday (:
mind you, most other stores have them for $25 or more.
>> There are SOME Pretender fans here.
Really? Where?
>Hey, I've been kicking around ideas for a Pretenders: Generation 2 line
>of toys... completely re-made classics (Skullgrin, Bludgeon, Metalhawk,
>to name a few) with completely new guys (Combiner Twins Roadspark &
>Skyspark, Combiners Darkstar & Blackhole... regulars Hydral &
>Crashcourse...)... abondoning "outer shells" for separate figures for the
>disguise modes... expect a write-up somtime...
What about Stranglehold? (BTW Micheal I'm still planning on buying yours
once I get the money)
>> : The're also posable. Even if you don't actually play with your TFs like I
>> : don't, you have to admit that posabilty adds something to the play value
>> : of the toy. It also opens more options for display.
>>
>> I do displays and believe me, they look great in different poses!
>Tarantulas looks GREAT hanging upside-down from his wire, feet clamping
>the wire, arms folded across his chest...
So send me one. I found out today Australia aint getting BW.
>> : getting another 2. Ben seems to be near unique amongst the peolw on ATT
>> : in that he looks for the good aspects of the BW.
>>
>Still wish R2 had that nifty pop-up scope... 3PO was an improvement as
>well. I REALLY want the Speeder Bike...
Hey, did the US get those Pizza Hut Star Wars figures? I'm not into Star
Wars really, but at 5oc a pop I had to get them (:
>Give Wedge a figure! Wedge! Wedge! Wedge!
What's that? You want a wedgie?
(Guess who's in a playful mood)
>> : Darren, who's sure that MSipher & Michelle agree (:
>>
>> Hope so, you guys are my only support on this issue so far.
>Well, I'm wondering what Kendrick thinks about this... he's oft said he'd
>by TF dog food, but I wonder how he feels about BW.
Well I ATE dog food for several years. No sh*t - they used to use it to
make our curries at High School. COme to think of it, I threw most of it
away (:
>M "Surrounded By A Fleshy Overcoat" Sipher
Darren, who's got a trigger mechanism in his tail.
(that's pretty damn good for somepone who has no tail)
Napalm-Rabbit
: >: It's all personal preferences. For me, 'gators and bats and spiders lack
: >: sufficient robotness for me to see them as Transformers: ROBOTS in disguise.
: There is, of course, the other wy to look at that. If you were to see a
: Cheetah in downtown <insert your hometown here>, would think 'damn!
: That's Cheetor!' , or 'damn! the zoo's let a wildcat out'?
: What better way to hide a robot than inside biological tissue?
: I like to think of BW as Terminator-like beings: essentially robotic with
: flesh. OK, so they can eat.. but they're still TF's essentially.
Interesting...I never thought of it that way. I tend to think that most
of the BW look like Ravage...or any of the badguy animals in the video
game Megaman series...sorta built like an animal, but with metallic
hinges. *Robotic* animals if you will. I suppose they could be terminator
type structures, so that when they fight they can rip out each others flesh,
exposing a glistening tin shell underneath.
Cool.
D.T.
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Kendrick Kerwin Chua
msipher <msi...@nando.net> wrote:
>
>Well, I'm wondering what Kendrick thinks about this... he's oft said he'd
>by TF dog food, but I wonder how he feels about BW.
I'm a great Beast Wars fan, if only because they're Takara toys that can
bend over and kiss their heels if you pose them that way. I'm hoping that
I'll like it more after I see the show.
As for what I think about the story, I trust Kenner and Image (or whoever
is writing the story) to do something different and better than their
contemporaries. Probably, it won't be more fun or more engaging or more
mythological than the original TF series... But I except it to measure up
to other action cartoons now the way TF measured up ten years ago. Sure,
there were other giant robot shows, but TF blew the vast majority of them
out of the proverbial aquatic habitat with solid toy support and real,
human characters. I expect Beast Wars to be much more intellectually
challenging than ReBoot, lots more fun than X-men or Mutant Turtles and a
heck of a lot more gripping than Spiderman.
KKC, form feet and legs... form arms and body...
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Dirge
I think that's what they were supposed to be, according to the 2-Pac (yes
I know thats a rapper) comic. Not that Ive seen it myself.
Raksha
Fill in your name here <ye...@is2.nyu.edu> wrote:
>Dirge (dj...@uow.edu.au) wrote:
>: Why don't people look at the positives in the new line? Face it, they're
>: the only TFs this year. I'm sure that at least 1 of the 9 put out so far
>: must be OK. Heck I'm already importing 2, and if I can afford it I'll be
>: in that he looks for the good aspects of the BW.
>
>(although they are my first love). I mean, say with the new Star Wars
>line, I agree that many of the figures are too muscular and look very
>little like the original characters. However, I also think that some of
>them are improvements such as R2-D2 or Boba Fett.
>
>
> Hope so, you guys are my only support on this issue so far.
Not entirely ... I like the Beast Wars too! (Hell, I'm a zoology major.) At
least, I like the toys themselves. Most of them are quite well designed and
actually have more potential than they were given. I *hate* the change in
faction names, symbols, idiotic explanation for how these revisions were made,
total and complete lack of creativity in writing up names and personalities,
and the messing-over of old character names (with one notable exception ;) ).
If it wasn't so annoying, I'd also get a laugh out of Hasbro's complete lack of
the most elementary zoological knowledge (cheetahs are grassland animals, not
jungle animals; "Iguanas" is indeed "a lizard unlike any other", because
there's not a species in the world that looks like that....)
But the toys themselves are definitely worth having. I've never been a
die-cast-metal-and-rubber-wheels purist, and fully agree with those who find
the Cyberjets to be much better toys than the old G1 'Con jets -- even though I
like the G1 jets too. So the all-plastic aspect of BW doesn't bother me at
all. I also don't mind, even kinda like, the all-animal designs, and can
certainly live with a year or two of that. Bring on Tyrannosaurus Megatron! :)
We actually are lucky to have good toys, because everything else that's
wrong with the line can be ignored, dismissed, laughed at, and changed by us,
the fans. (At least until the cartoon series comes out, and then we'll talk
further.) We've gotten quite a few nice re-names and re-writes for the
characters ... we gotta stop calling these things Maximals and Predacons,
though....
--Raksha
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Robert A. Jung
>Robert A. Jung (rj...@netcom.com) wrote:
>>ye...@is2.nyu.edu (Fill in your name here) writes:
>>>Do me a favor (anyone), please show me a 'fake' Transformers fan or
>>>an 'untrue' Transformers fan.
>>
>> The dorky-looking dweeb in the corner there, who says, "Oh, I love
>>Transformers! Leader-1 was such a kewl dude!" B-)
>
> |sf>Well, some people still like Gobots AND TFs...
If they're going to cross-pollinate Transformers and Gobots, though, I
don't wanna talk about it. B-) Anyone who says that Megatron looked neet
as a motorcycle ... well...
>I hate to say this but it's a good thing that this is the Hasbro
>designers' last line. I just hope Kenner's designers are more
>careful.
One can hope.
>>> Beast Wars is NOT a "travesty". They are better made than SOME
>>>of the G1 and G2 toys and are definately superior to MOST toy lines out
>>>today. They are well made, posable and they can be played with without
>>>fear of body parts breaking off every minute.
>
> Actually, that's part of the point. Body parts *can* come off
>w/o them being snapped off forever. If they fall off the edge of the
>table & an arm falls off it's big enough to find in the carpetting.
True enough. I do admit that one of the nicer things about the Beast
Wars (and the Cyberjets) is that they're durable -- you can toss 'em in the
back seat of the car, drive halfway across the country and back, and they'll
be up and transforming again within a minute. Then again, that goes with my
view that the Cyberjets are THE example of what a G2 toy line should be.
>>>reiterate what I've said in my above posts), where is it written that ALL
>>>TF's HAVE to be cars and planes?!
>>
>> It's all personal preferences. For me, 'gators and bats and spiders lack
>>sufficient robotness for me to see them as Transformers: ROBOTS in disguise.
>
> Well, as plenty of people have pointed out the TFs have always
>had 'gators and bats...and as far as spiders goes I seem to remember
>a horror movie about a guy who built a whole bunch of robotic spiders
>and sent them out to take over the world or something. ... Maybe
>*that's* your point. The Beast Wars look a little too (as Rumble
>puts it in the cartoon) fleshy.
*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*Ding*
That's the nail-hitting-on-the-head there for me. Aside from the Pretender
shells, all of the G1 Transformers "beasts" were clearly "mechanical replicas"
of the real-life critters. They were an emulation of the general style, but
not an out-and-out attempt to ditch the robotic heritage.
>>>The Dinobots, Terrorcons, Dinoking etc. were all pretty
>>>popular and no one every complained about THEIR animal/creature modes.
>>
>> No one tried to build an entire toy line around them, either.
>
> True, & that's probably one of Hasbro's faults. For many
>years it's been an all-or-nothing toy line. Last year it was almost
>all Go-Bot Super Speed Racers. One time it was mostly Micromasters.
>Hasbro doesn't believe in diversifying anymore. That's why I hope
>that Kenner will be different when they actually get complete control
>of the toy line (instead of just designing the ads. :P ).
Well, there's supposed to be some Kenner reps at BotCon; let's chew their
ears off (as if we wouldn't already B-).
> (Dinoking? Is that the Japanese TF line w/ the dinosaurs or is
>that supposed to be Predaking?)
That's the Japanese version of the Monstructors -- the Japanese rubbery
shells were assorted dinobots, but the inner robots were the same, and could
assemble into a gestalt.
Fill in your name here
: That's the nail-hitting-on-the-head there for me. Aside from the Pretender
: shells, all of the G1 Transformers "beasts" were clearly "mechanical replicas"
: of the real-life critters. They were an emulation of the general style, but
: not an out-and-out attempt to ditch the robotic heritage.
Well, now that we have new info on the show (thanks Msipher!), we
know that the TF's are getting organics now on a whim but for their own
survival and that they are (in a weird sort of way) trying to protect
their robot heritage by using organics.
: Well, there's supposed to be some Kenner reps at BotCon; let's chew their
: ears off (as if we wouldn't already B-).
So you folks are going to go there and show them just how bitter
and mean fans can be?! That's how we're going to present ourselves? I
think it would be best to go with pros and cons and provide CONSTRUCTIVE
criticism. They might appreciate that more than "What the *bleep* are you
*bleep*ing idiots doing with the *bleep*ing Transformers?!" (you fill in
the bleeps).
Fill in your name here
: Gobots are preferable to Beast Wars if you noticed not many people bought
: Monsterbots
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I will admit Gobots were nice toys (most of them anyway). I have
fond memories of my recolors of Leader-1 and Cy-Kill. However, your
comparison to Beast Wars (selling wise) and Monsterbots does little to
illustrate your point. Beast Wars is selling (as illustrated by some
other thread floating around a.t.t.), for that I'm glad. Even those fans
who don't like the Beast Wars should be glad TF's are selling, it gives
more of a possibility for a line more suitable to their tastes next
year. Just more cents from me...
Fill in your name here
: How about introducing Japanese/ European Transformers in the US instead of
: Beast Wars
----------------------------------------------------
This I COMPLETELY agree with. If we got the whole Masterforce
collection here this year or the whole MicroZone collection I would be
the last person to complain. However, it's not realistic. I gather that
some of the molds for our favorite Japanese TF's no longer exist and
Hasbro/Kenner or Takara would be willing to try to reintroduce an entire
line of toys like that. I figure their attitude is "We've done it
already, let's move on."
Fill in your name here
: In article <4j4eh6$a...@news.nyu.edu>,: Not entirely ... I like the Beast Wars too! (Hell, I'm a zoology major.) At
: least, I like the toys themselves.
Thank goodness. You'll note that this post is becoming "Defend
the Beast Wars", brought to you by a minority of TF fans!
Most of them are quite well designed and
: actually have more potential than they were given.
WOW!!! Thanks for agreeing with me! :) :) :)
I *hate* the change in
: faction names, symbols, idiotic explanation for how these revisions were made,
: total and complete lack of creativity in writing up names and personalities,
: and the messing-over of old character names (with one notable exception ;) ).
True, but creativity has never been Hasbro's fortee.
: If it wasn't so annoying, I'd also get a laugh out of Hasbro's complete lack of
: the most elementary zoological knowledge (cheetahs are grassland animals, not
: jungle animals; "Iguanas" is indeed "a lizard unlike any other", because
: there's not a species in the world that looks like that....)
Funny!
: But the toys themselves are definitely worth having. I've never been a
: die-cast-metal-and-rubber-wheels purist, and fully agree with those who find
: the Cyberjets to be much better toys than the old G1 'Con jets -- even though I
: like the G1 jets too. So the all-plastic aspect of BW doesn't bother me at
: all. I also don't mind, even kinda like, the all-animal designs, and can
: certainly live with a year or two of that. Bring on Tyrannosaurus Megatron! :)
Yeah, I loved plastic, rubber and metal all in one toy, but I
think in this day and age, we have to be realistic about the product and
how it's made etc. in relation to cost. As for T-Rex Meggy, YEAH!!! I
will snatch him up in no time!
: We actually are lucky to have good toys, because everything else that's
: wrong with the line can be ignored, dismissed, laughed at, and changed by us,
: the fans. (At least until the cartoon series comes out, and then we'll talk
: further.) We've gotten quite a few nice re-names and re-writes for the
: characters ... we gotta stop calling these things Maximals and Predacons,
: though....
True, true. The Maximal and Predacon thing doesn't HAVE to go
for fans though, my current fan fic in process is an example of that.
The show seems to be making logical jumps in the fiction behind BW. Of
course, we have yet to bash and defend that.
: --Raksha
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
For Go-Lion, it was 'Arms and torso.' In the 15 multi-vehicle Voltron whose
Japanese name I can't remember now, it was 'Arms and body.' Or I might
have it backwards. In any event, this is a Voltron discussion and way off
topic, so I shan't develop it any further. :)
KKC, form arm and hammer...
Dirge
>In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.960324...@bessel.nando.net>,
>msipher <msi...@nando.net> wrote:
>>
>>Well, I'm wondering what Kendrick thinks about this... he's oft said he'd
>>by TF dog food, but I wonder how he feels about BW.
>I'm a great Beast Wars fan, if only because they're Takara toys that can
>bend over and kiss their heels if you pose them that way. I'm hoping that
>I'll like it more after I see the show.
>As for what I think about the story, I trust Kenner and Image (or whoever
>is writing the story) to do something different and better than their
>contemporaries. Probably, it won't be more fun or more engaging or more
>mythological than the original TF series... But I except it to measure up
>to other action cartoons now the way TF measured up ten years ago. Sure,
>there were other giant robot shows, but TF blew the vast majority of them
>out of the proverbial aquatic habitat with solid toy support and real,
>human characters. I expect Beast Wars to be much more intellectually
>challenging than ReBoot, lots more fun than X-men or Mutant Turtles and a
>heck of a lot more gripping than Spiderman.
>KKC, form feet and legs... form arms and body...
Dirge
>Monsterbots
Monsterbots were unposable, didn't really resemble animals, and had
pretty bad robot forms (especially repugnus). BW start at $5 which ain't
dear. Dinobots are popular enough. Every proverbial man & his dog who
collects TFs would want all the Dinobots.
To use the Monsterbots isnt a great comparison. If you don't like BW,
that's fine. I think you're missing out, because that means there's no
TFs this year for you at all. I have yet to see a BW toy, tho from the
pictures I've seen on the net, I can tell they leave the Monsterbots
for dead.
Dirge
>How about introducing Japanese/ European Transformers in the US instead of
>Beast Wars
I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
Australia is not part of Europe, for the 50th time.
But it sounds cool, as long as the non-US TF markets get BW's so I don't
have to import the damn things!
Darren.
Robert A. Jung
>Robert A. Jung (rj...@netcom.com) wrote:
>>ears off (as if we wouldn't already B-).
>
> So you folks are going to go there and show them just how bitter
>and mean fans can be?!
No, I meant that we'd all talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk
and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and
talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk to
them until they get sick and tired of us all. B-) No violence.
>I think it would be best to go with pros and cons and provide CONSTRUCTIVE
>criticism. They might appreciate that more than "What the *bleep* are you
>*bleep*ing idiots doing with the *bleep*ing Transformers?!" (you fill in
>the bleeps).
You have me mistaken with Rumble there, methinks. B-)
Robert Edward Powers
: >Gobots are preferable to Beast Wars if you noticed not many people bought
: >Monsterbots
: Monsterbots were unposable, didn't really resemble animals, and had
: pretty bad robot forms (especially repugnus). BW start at $5 which ain't
Grrrr! Watch it, the Monsterbots are some of my favorite dudes! Too bad
I deleted my impromptu rant from way back when... but suffice in a
nutshell to say that the toys were nice 'n' big, had cool animal forms (of
COURSE they don't resemble true animals - they're MONSTERbots!) with
decent posability for G1, and had a nifty gimmick, namely the spark
shooters. And, of course, they make better gargoyle-like sentinals for
your high shelves than almost any other TFs I can think of...
--
Robert Powers of the Ever-Changing .sig
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(no, wait, that was Jackson Browne...;)
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
>
>I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
>I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
>I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
He is, in fact, Spartacus. :)
>Australia is not part of Europe, for the 50th time.
Oh, I don't know. I know a few commonwealthers who think that Australia
and Africa are honorary suburbs of the European Community. Then again,
there's about an equal number of folks who'll say 'I'm not European... I'm
British.' Vive la regionalisme. :)
>But it sounds cool, as long as the non-US TF markets get BW's so I don't
>have to import the damn things!
Forgive the generalization... But stuff like Predators, Motorvators, and
Action Master Elites will probably continue to be referred to as UK or
European releases. These toys were all distributed by Hasbro UK, for
starters. That, and they were PRIMARILY available in the UK and/or
Europe. The TF named Camaro was primarily available in Brazil, which is
why it's referred to as a brazilian TF...
Now everybody stop being offended, or I'll start refrring to TFs
available only on this planet...
KKC, playing with Snapdragon at the terminal. Cool toy. :)
Zobovor001
writes:
>
>>KKC, form feet and legs... form arms and body...
>
>Wasn't it arms & _torso_?
And I'll form... THE HEAD!
Dave, who wishes Tranzor Z was on the Sci-Fi channel...
msipher
On 26 Mar 1996, Interbot wrote:
> How about introducing Japanese/ European Transformers in the US instead of
> Beast Wars
No. Please, no. For several reasons.
1) I'm sure many of the molds are now long gone.
2) Frankly, many of the Japanese toys are blocky and unposable. What
makes them cool is the fact that they're not easily available. (That and
the fiction behind them... the Japanese TF cartoons are very cool.) BW,
generally, are better-made toys than most of the Japanese stuff...
3) I'd much rather see new stuff than mere re-hashes of old molds.
4) I'm sure others will agree with me here... I will be much pissed to
see a Japanese TF hit the stores that I have the Japanese version of...
M "I'm Defending Keeping Certain TFs High-Priced... I'm Nuts" Sipher
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
Form, Blazing Pool Cue(tm)!!!
KKC, wonders if Voltron can be seen on cable anywhere for nostalgia's
sake. Also wishes to point out that this pointless post is more on topic
than that silly cookie post...
Iggy Drougge
: msipher <msi...@nando.net> writes:
: >On 24 Mar 1996, Fill in your name here wrote:
: >> : That's because everyone tries to shoot it down and you're defending it (:
: >>
: >> I know Dirge, it's starting to worry me.
: >Welcome to Unpopular Causes. I'm your host, M Sipher. Today, we'll be
: >discussing Pretenders, Action Masters, and Tonka GoBots, all of which I
: >like...
: Can we include one of my fave TF sub-series, the Micromasters?
Yes! Me too! =) I woner if people cinsider me a "fake TransFan", since I
bought only MMs when the Classics were out... =)
: >Precisely. How much did Jazz, Sideswipe & Inferno sell for when G2 first
: >came out? I think part of the reason G2 flopped at the beginning was the
: >toys were damn expensive... due to the metal and rubber in their
: >construction. I only bought them once they hit Kay-Bee's "We're Trying
: >To Get Rid Of These" displays...
: Well TRU here sells the Heriocs for $7US. I bought Swiper (actually two
: so my Red Alert could get a facelift) and I'm getting Inferno for my
: birthday (:
I bought my Jazz abd Sideswipe at TRU for $25US, but most other stores have
them for up to $10US. Swiper is cool, but was too white.
: mind you, most other stores have them for $25 or more.
: >> There are SOME Pretender fans here.
: Really? Where?
Here!
: >Hey, I've been kicking around ideas for a Pretenders: Generation 2 line
: >of toys... completely re-made classics (Skullgrin, Bludgeon, Metalhawk,
: >to name a few) with completely new guys (Combiner Twins Roadspark &
: >Skyspark, Combiners Darkstar & Blackhole... regulars Hydral &
: >Crashcourse...)... abondoning "outer shells" for separate figures for the
: >disguise modes... expect a write-up somtime...
: What about Stranglehold? (BTW Micheal I'm still planning on buying yours
: once I get the money)
He's cool too, but why did he change race in G2? =)
: >> : The're also posable. Even if you don't actually play with your TFs like I
: >> : don't, you have to admit that posabilty adds something to the play value
: >> : of the toy. It also opens more options for display.
: >>
: >> I do displays and believe me, they look great in different poses!
: >Tarantulas looks GREAT hanging upside-down from his wire, feet clamping
: >the wire, arms folded across his chest...
: So send me one. I found out today Australia aint getting BW.
I wonder if I can call Hasbro Scandinavia, hope they get them...
: >> : getting another 2. Ben seems to be near unique amongst the peolw on ATT
: >> : in that he looks for the good aspects of the BW.
: >>
: >Still wish R2 had that nifty pop-up scope... 3PO was an improvement as
: >well. I REALLY want the Speeder Bike...
: Hey, did the US get those Pizza Hut Star Wars figures? I'm not into Star
: Wars really, but at 5oc a pop I had to get them (:
Pizza Hut has toys?
: >Give Wedge a figure! Wedge! Wedge! Wedge!
: What's that? You want a wedgie?
: (Guess who's in a playful mood)
A wedgie? A noogie?
: >> : Darren, who's sure that MSipher & Michelle agree (:
: >>
: >> Hope so, you guys are my only support on this issue so far.
: >Well, I'm wondering what Kendrick thinks about this... he's oft said he'd
: >by TF dog food, but I wonder how he feels about BW.
: Well I ATE dog food for several years. No sh*t - they used to use it to
: make our curries at High School. COme to think of it, I threw most of it
: away (:
Like the potato sacks at my school, with text saying "For schools,
prisons and pigs"... I always plant the potatos in the flower pots in
school when I'
m forced to take them...
: >M "Surrounded By A Fleshy Overcoat" Sipher
: Darren, who's got a trigger mechanism in his tail.
Iggy, the Buttmaster.
: (that's pretty damn good for somepone who has no tail)
Yes, that sounds like a feat.
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Iggy Drougge
: How about introducing Japanese/ European Transformers in the US instead of
: Beast Wars
And what'll we get then? Sure, I don't mind Japanese, of course... That's
an excellent idea...
Dirge
>: >Robert A. Jung (rj...@netcom.com) wrote:
>: That's the nail-hitting-on-the-head there for me. Aside from the Pretender
>: shells, all of the G1 Transformers "beasts" were clearly "mechanical replicas"
>: of the real-life critters. They were an emulation of the general style, but
>: not an out-and-out attempt to ditch the robotic heritage.
> Well, now that we have new info on the show (thanks Msipher!), we
>know that the TF's are getting organics now on a whim but for their own
>survival and that they are (in a weird sort of way) trying to protect
>their robot heritage by using organics.
Yeah. That's the way I look at it. They _are_ still robots, essentially
(actually they're plastic toys...(: )
> So you folks are going to go there and show them just how bitter
>and mean fans can be?! That's how we're going to present ourselves? I
>think it would be best to go with pros and cons and provide CONSTRUCTIVE
>criticism. They might appreciate that more than "What the *bleep* are you
>*bleep*ing idiots doing with the *bleep*ing Transformers?!" (you fill in
>the bleeps).
Ben, you have no idea how tempted I am to do just that. But I'm polite (:
Darren, who's absolutely _hanging_ for Terrosaur.
Dirge
>>
>>I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
>>I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
>>I AM NOT EUROPEAN!!!
>>Australia is not part of Europe, for the 50th time.
>Oh, I don't know. I know a few commonwealthers who think that Australia
>and Africa are honorary suburbs of the European Community. Then again,
>there's about an equal number of folks who'll say 'I'm not European... I'm
>British.' Vive la regionalisme. :)
Well Australia is closer to Asia. We trade more with Asia. closer to the
US too.
>Forgive the generalization... But stuff like Predators, Motorvators, and
>Action Master Elites will probably continue to be referred to as UK or
>European releases. These toys were all distributed by Hasbro UK, for
>starters. That, and they were PRIMARILY available in the UK and/or
>Europe. The TF named Camaro was primarily available in Brazil, which is
>why it's referred to as a brazilian TF...
And by Hasbro Australia, Kendrick. And it's not that they were primarily
avaiable in the UK, just that they were not released in the US.
Anyway we still have Stormtroopers in our stores, they don't.
>KKC, playing with Snapdragon at the terminal. Cool toy. :)
So sell him to me. All I have is his instruction booklet ):
Iggy Drougge
: Dirge (dj...@uow.edu.au) wrote:
: : >Gobots are preferable to Beast Wars if you noticed not many people bought
: : >Monsterbots
: : Monsterbots were unposable, didn't really resemble animals, and had
: : pretty bad robot forms (especially repugnus). BW start at $5 which ain't
: Grrrr! Watch it, the Monsterbots are some of my favorite dudes! Too bad
: I deleted my impromptu rant from way back when... but suffice in a
: nutshell to say that the toys were nice 'n' big, had cool animal forms (of
: COURSE they don't resemble true animals - they're MONSTERbots!) with
: decent posability for G1, and had a nifty gimmick, namely the spark
: shooters. And, of course, they make better gargoyle-like sentinals for
: your high shelves than almost any other TFs I can think of...
Ah, another one who likes the Monsterbots! I haven't seen the toys other
in catalogues, and that was 6 years ago, but I'
ve seen themon the the TFU and packaging pictures, and they are cool, and
the robot modes look nice, unlike what Darren said. I didn't know about
the saprkshooters, though. And Grotesque plays quite aan important role
in TCoaWw/oE.
Dan campbell
> some of the molds for our favorite Japanese TF's no longer exist and
> Hasbro/Kenner or Takara would be willing to try to reintroduce an
> entire
> line of toys like that. I figure their attitude is "We've done it
> already, let's move on."
Did you mean to say unwilling?
I guess I just wanna say it again, 'cause I'm getting this sick feeling
that I know what I think they should do to revitalize the TFs as a toy
line, but nobody else seems to know it, and it's all slipping through my
fingers:
Has anybody tried getting a petition together, so that they know
exactly how many fans want to see the originals come back out? What if
they just don't know how many of us there really are?
By the way, does anybody know if there's any proof the
Blustreak/Prowl/Smokescreen mold set no longer exists? What if we could
convince them to remake the blue Bluestreak? I know, it's not likely at
all. But that never stopped me before...
Dan Campbell
Fill in your name here
: On 26 Mar 1996, Interbot wrote:
: M "I'm Defending Keeping Certain TFs High-Priced... I'm Nuts" Sipher
-----------------------------------
I will agree that the Beast Wars are better made than some
Japanese toys but what would be wrong with getting them here? First, I
think fans who have been aching to get a Metalhawk (like me) or a Star
Saber (or heck, ANY Brainmaster for that matter) will have a chance to do
so. Also, your 'value' on the Japanese TF's won't really be decreased,
if ANYTHING, they'll be increased. Think about it, if a toy is released
nowadays, there is more often than not, a variation on the product (Spawn
toys are an example). Also, packaging does things to toy value as well.
Right now there's a whole big hoopla over the new Star Wars figures and
their packaging. Also, like the 'new' Star Wars re-releases (the classic
4 pack figure), new copyright dates can be placed on toys and that will
also up the value of any 'Japanese re-releases'. Just my .2436 cents.
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
Dan campbell <dcam...@ddt.occ.uc.edu> wrote:
>> However, it's not realistic. I gather that
>> some of the molds for our favorite Japanese TF's no longer exist and
As it stands, Collectible Toys & Values Magazine's report that the
Microman molds were destroyed is the only confirmed report of any Takara
molds being trashed. But destroying molds after the toy is discontinued
is a pretty common practice except among abnormal toy producers like
McFarlane Toys, so it wouldn't surprise me if most of the Diaclone molds
are long gone.
>I guess I just wanna say it again, 'cause I'm getting this sick feeling
>that I know what I think they should do to revitalize the TFs as a toy
>line, but nobody else seems to know it, and it's all slipping through my
>fingers:
Everybody has their own ideas about how to revitalize TF, but the fact is
that it IS already being revitalized. Just beause you don't like Beast
Wars doesn't mean that Transformers isn't continuing as a viable, living
toy entity. I'd personally like to see a revival of the Headmasters
concept as an alternative for the rapidly growing-up Power Rangers crowd,
but I've neither ther resources or the time to undertake a project like
that. Nor am I going to suggest such a thing to Hasbro/Kenner, which has
its own research and development crew. What do we know that they don't?
> Has anybody tried getting a petition together, so that they know
>exactly how many fans want to see the originals come back out? What if
>they just don't know how many of us there really are?
Star Trek had a huge following. TF fans tend to have lives outside of
their fandom, or so I've observed :), so I don't think we'd be able to
generate that kind of support. Besides, TF is and should be primarily for
kids, IMO. Let them create their own fanbase for their own generation,
and then add it to our own. Give Beast Wars a freaking chance.
> By the way, does anybody know if there's any proof the
>Blustreak/Prowl/Smokescreen mold set no longer exists? What if we could
>convince them to remake the blue Bluestreak? I know, it's not likely at
>all. But that never stopped me before...
You want the blue Bluestreak because it's rare. If they rerelease it,
it's not rare anymore now, is it? I like my grey one just fine, thanks.
But I wouldn't mind if they released toys of characters who didn't HAVE
toys to begin with, like Elita-1 or Deathcobra or folks like that. Those
kinds of toys would TRULY be directed only at adult fans and collectors
though, so it would come off with the same kind of unfairness. The last
thing we need is for Hasbro to fuel the collection/speculation frenzy the
way some folks are doing this year...
KKC, waiting to hear about European TFs! Woohoo!
Zobovor001
writes:
>. And Grotesque plays quite aan important role
>in TCoaWw/oE.
Which is what, exactly??
Iggy Drougge
: > However, it's not realistic. I gather that
: > some of the molds for our favorite Japanese TF's no longer exist and
: > line of toys like that. I figure their attitude is "We've done it
: > already, let's move on."
: Did you mean to say unwilling?
: I guess I just wanna say it again, 'cause I'm getting this sick feeling
: that I know what I think they should do to revitalize the TFs as a toy
: line, but nobody else seems to know it, and it's all slipping through my
: fingers:
They are revitalising TF right now. Beast Wars sells like butter in the sun, at
least in some places.
: Has anybody tried getting a petition together, so that they know
: exactly how many fans want to see the originals come back out? What if
: they just don't know how many of us there really are?
I would like a few, but not many. We've had rereleases twice this decade, and at
least while G2, they did not sell very well.b There may be us fans, but we are far
too few to hold up the entire TF market.
: By the way, does anybody know if there's any proof the
: Blustreak/Prowl/Smokescreen mold set no longer exists? What if we could
: convince them to remake the blue Bluestreak? I know, it's not likely at
: all. But that never stopped me before...
Well, it's said that the Diaclone molds were destroyed, save for a few.
Iggy Drougge
: In article <4jefl2$c...@uno.canit.se>, opt...@canit.se (Iggy Drougge)
: writes:
: Which is what, exactly??
=)
The Corrosion of a War without an End, a great fanfic by Robert Powers.
Iggy, who today found some strange TF ripoffs...
msipher
On 30 Mar 1996, Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote:
> As it stands, Collectible Toys & Values Magazine's report that the
> Microman molds were destroyed is the only confirmed report of any Takara
> molds being trashed. But destroying molds after the toy is discontinued
> is a pretty common practice except among abnormal toy producers like
> McFarlane Toys, so it wouldn't surprise me if most of the Diaclone molds
> are long gone.
The longer McFarlane Toys holds on to those molds, the longer they can
simply re-paint them and ship them and drive dealers into an orgasmic
frenzy...
> >I guess I just wanna say it again, 'cause I'm getting this sick feeling
> >that I know what I think they should do to revitalize the TFs as a toy
> >line, but nobody else seems to know it, and it's all slipping through my
> >fingers:
You, me, and probably everybody else here, pal.
> Everybody has their own ideas about how to revitalize TF, but the fact is
> that it IS already being revitalized. Just beause you don't like Beast
> Wars doesn't mean that Transformers isn't continuing as a viable, living
> toy entity. I'd personally like to see a revival of the Headmasters
> concept as an alternative for the rapidly growing-up Power Rangers crowd,
> but I've neither ther resources or the time to undertake a project like
> that. Nor am I going to suggest such a thing to Hasbro/Kenner, which has
> its own research and development crew. What do we know that they don't?
Me? Aside from the "TF Classic" propsals o' mine (no, I will NOT shut up
about those... I happen to be very happy with my designs... even if there
isn't a Twinkie's chance in Rush Limbaugh's cabinet that they'll get
made), I would like to see the Pretenders get another go...
> > Has anybody tried getting a petition together, so that they know
> >exactly how many fans want to see the originals come back out? What if
> >they just don't know how many of us there really are?
Err... no more simple re-releases, please. I'd much rather see classic
characters come out in all-new molds BASED on the old ones...
> generate that kind of support. Besides, TF is and should be primarily for
> kids, IMO. Let them create their own fanbase for their own generation,
> and then add it to our own. Give Beast Wars a freaking chance.
For me, that's part of the appeal of TFs... kind of holding on to youth.
Growing old doesn't mean you have to grow UP.
> You want the blue Bluestreak because it's rare. If they rerelease it,
> it's not rare anymore now, is it?
EXACTLY the reason I'm against releasing older Japanese- and
European-exclusive TFs here in the states...
> But I wouldn't mind if they released toys of characters who didn't HAVE
> toys to begin with, like Elita-1 or Deathcobra or folks like that. Those
> kinds of toys would TRULY be directed only at adult fans and collectors
> though, so it would come off with the same kind of unfairness. The last
> thing we need is for Hasbro to fuel the collection/speculation frenzy the
> way some folks are doing this year...
Gee, now who's guilty of that?
If it were possible to type out sneezing the name "McFarlane", I would.
> KKC, waiting to hear about European TFs! Woohoo!
M "Waiting To GET European TFs! WOOHOO!" Sipher
Of course, those are the LAST TFs I'm gonna be getting for a while... at
least until BotCon... the downside of getting a new car.
Dan Campbell
We know what we like?
> Star Trek had a huge following. TF fans tend to have lives outside of
> their fandom, or so I've observed :), so I don't think we'd be able to
> generate that kind of support. Besides, TF is and should be primarily for
> kids, IMO. Let them create their own fanbase for their own generation,
> and then add it to our own. Give Beast Wars a freaking chance.
I'm not against Beast Wars (well, not entirely...). But there's a large
amount of familiarity with the original line among older people, not
necessarily fans, who now have children. "Hey, didn't they have these
out a long time ago? Wow, this might be a good thing to buy for my
kids..."
> You want the blue Bluestreak because it's rare. If they rerelease it,
> it's not rare anymore now, is it? I like my grey one just fine, thanks.
Whoa, boy. No, I want the blue one because he was my first, was my
favorite at the time, and still _is_ my favorite. I thought I got a bum
rap when my Bluestreak wasn't blue, or didn't at least have blue sticker
panels. Don't judge people by the majority of posts on a.t.t., I want
him because I like the color scheme.
And it's not my fault the Diaclone blue Bluestreak is rare. I knew that
long before I posted, and I also knew that those who _do_ have one
probably paid a lot for it, and therefore would be angry at my
suggestion of a cheap one for everybody else. But I posted anyway,
because I still want one.
> But I wouldn't mind if they released toys of characters who didn't HAVE
> toys to begin with, like Elita-1 or Deathcobra or folks like that. Those
> kinds of toys would TRULY be directed only at adult fans and collectors
> though, so it would come off with the same kind of unfairness. The last
> thing we need is for Hasbro to fuel the collection/speculation frenzy the
> way some folks are doing this year...
I agree here, too.
Dan
Dirge
>Dirge (dj...@uow.edu.au) wrote:
>: msipher <msi...@nando.net> writes:
>: >On 24 Mar 1996, Fill in your name here wrote:
>: >Welcome to Unpopular Causes. I'm your host, M Sipher. Today, we'll be
>: >discussing Pretenders, Action Masters, and Tonka GoBots, all of which I
>: >like...
>: Can we include one of my fave TF sub-series, the Micromasters?
>Yes! Me too! =) I woner if people cinsider me a "fake TransFan", since I
>bought only MMs when the Classics were out... =)
Well I bought both.. since I liked them both. Iggy, you should have
picked up SLag Sludge Ironhide & Octane for me.
My top shelf above my computer has G1 cars & Micros on it, come to think
of it.
>: >Precisely. How much did Jazz, Sideswipe & Inferno sell for when G2 first
>: >came out? I think part of the reason G2 flopped at the beginning was the
>: >toys were damn expensive... due to the metal and rubber in their
>: >construction. I only bought them once they hit Kay-Bee's "We're Trying
>: >To Get Rid Of These" displays...
>: Well TRU here sells the Heriocs for $7US. I bought Swiper (actually two
>: so my Red Alert could get a facelift) and I'm getting Inferno for my
>: birthday (:
>I bought my Jazz abd Sideswipe at TRU for $25US, but most other stores have
>them for up to $10US. Swiper is cool, but was too white.
Well I bought Swiper cos I like the black. I got my sister to get me G2
Inferno since it's cheap and I can't think of else to get for my birthday.
>: >> There are SOME Pretender fans here.
>: Really? Where?
>Here!
Hehe. Nah, I like them too. I can't wait to get Demon, and those
Pretender Monsters rock, Especially Wildfly.
>: Hey, did the US get those Pizza Hut Star Wars figures? I'm not into Star
>: Wars really, but at 5oc a pop I had to get them (:
>Pizza Hut has toys?
Sometimes. It was a promo coinciding with a new version of star wars.
>: >Give Wedge a figure! Wedge! Wedge! Wedge!
>: What's that? You want a wedgie?
>: (Guess who's in a playful mood)
>A wedgie? A noogie?
Um.. yeah you grab someone's pants and lift..
>: >M "Surrounded By A Fleshy Overcoat" Sipher
>: Darren, who's got a trigger mechanism in his tail.
>Iggy, the Buttmaster.
>: (that's pretty damn good for somepone who has no tail)
>Yes, that sounds like a feat.
Darren.
Kendrick Kerwin Chua
Dan Campbell <dcam...@ddt.occ.uc.edu> wrote:
>
>> You want the blue Bluestreak because it's rare. If they rerelease it,
>> it's not rare anymore now, is it? I like my grey one just fine, thanks.
>
>Whoa, boy. No, I want the blue one because he was my first, was my
>favorite at the time, and still _is_ my favorite. I thought I got a bum
So repaint a grey one!
I've been doing this with TF toys for years now... Got myself an extra
Wheeljack toy and repainted him turquoise and gold, put a Decepticon
symbol on him and called him Slicer. I repainted an Icepick green and
white and called him Goryu. I've even got my Megatron ATb done now,
finally... With a shiny silver head and big black chest and arms.
If you don't like the color of your toys, change 'em, dammit! Don't
expect the toy company to cater to your individual tastes...
KKC, still painting those cheap Landcross imitations...
Zobovor001
<Pine.LNX.3.91.960329...@somunix.uafsom.alaska.edu>, Milo
Sharp <mi...@somunix.uafsom.alaska.edu> writes:
> Shall we band together as a group and do A.T.T. Official Beast
>Wars Renames? We can rename Megatron, Optimus Primal, Dinobot, and give
>names and characters to the four McD's Warriors.
Howsabout:
Optimus Primal: Wingslash
Megatron: Swamp Gator
Dinobot: Riptorn
Manta Ray: Sting Ray
Beetle: Scuttlebug
Panther: Nightstalker
Rhino: Headbasher
Dirge
> Wow... we're actually starting to build a decent base of support
>for Beast Wars here. I didn't care for them much at first, but they've
>grown on me, largely due to the McDonalds' Beast Warriors (the cheapest
>transformers ever), low prices, and the prospect of the approaching
>cartoon.
> I *still* don't like Optimus Primal, but I suppose he won't be
>too bad once we rename him and give him his own character. The toy
>itself isn't great, but I think he only strikes us as being downright bad
>because he's so incomparable to the original. (For Raksha's sake, I feel
>the same about the Megatron gator.)
Well the toys have that potential, at least. PM Optimus Prime, for
example, is pretty well bound to be prime. If you dont like the body -
tuff.The Bat mode (which, for the record, looks the best of the maximals
IMO) doesn't scream OP.. it's not hard to change.
> I like Dinobot, desperately want Cheetor, and will probably
>resort to buying Tarantulas simply due to all the cool stuff I've heard
>about him. For that matter, I'll probably wind up collecting all of
>them, since I didn't have the money to do so with the original series.
> Shall we band together as a group and do A.T.T. Official Beast
>Wars Renames? We can rename Megatron, Optimus Primal, Dinobot, and give
>names and characters to the four McD's Warriors.
Well, 'Panther', 'Beetle', 'Rhino' have all grown on me. I'm naming mine
by their animal modes when I get them. As for Manta Ray, I'll take a look
at him, and then decide. 'Shark' or 'Stinger' maybe.
Gatoron isn't such a bad name..
>Milo, who honestly thinks Beetle was a Professional Wrestler back on
>Cybertron...
His foe would have been Stranglehold, no?
Darren.
Iggy Drougge
: opt...@canit.se (Iggy Drougge) writes:
: >Dirge (dj...@uow.edu.au) wrote:
: >: msipher <msi...@nando.net> writes:
: >: >On 24 Mar 1996, Fill in your name here wrote:
: >: >Welcome to Unpopular Causes. I'm your host, M Sipher. Today, we'll be
: >: >discussing Pretenders, Action Masters, and Tonka GoBots, all of which I
: >: >like...
: >: Can we include one of my fave TF sub-series, the Micromasters?
: >Yes! Me too! =) I woner if people cinsider me a "fake TransFan", since I
: >bought only MMs when the Classics were out... =)
: Well I bought both.. since I liked them both. Iggy, you should have
: picked up SLag Sludge Ironhide & Octane for me.
Umm, I was 11 yo then, and without a computer. I got Air Raid and
Skydive, though.
: My top shelf above my computer has G1 cars & Micros on it, come to think
: of it.
I have all bots on a ca 30*100*100 cm box, and the cons packed on two
pieces of Lego space runway. My bot MMs stand in the row behind the
officers, who stand in the front.
: >: >Precisely. How much did Jazz, Sideswipe & Inferno sell for when G2 first
: >: >came out? I think part of the reason G2 flopped at the beginning was the
: >: >toys were damn expensive... due to the metal and rubber in their
: >: >construction. I only bought them once they hit Kay-Bee's "We're Trying
: >: >To Get Rid Of These" displays...
: >: Well TRU here sells the Heriocs for $7US. I bought Swiper (actually two
: >: so my Red Alert could get a facelift) and I'm getting Inferno for my
: >: birthday (:
: >I bought my Jazz abd Sideswipe at TRU for $25US, but most other stores have
: >them for up to $10US. Swiper is cool, but was too white.
That should have been $30US, not $10US.
: Well I bought Swiper cos I like the black. I got my sister to get me G2
: Inferno since it's cheap and I can't think of else to get for my birthday.
I got Swiper since I hadn't got him, liked the black and had just earned
500 SEK.
: >: >> There are SOME Pretender fans here.
: >: Really? Where?
: >Here!
: Hehe. Nah, I like them too. I can't wait to get Demon, and those
: Pretender Monsters rock, Especially Wildfly.
Demon? Who?
I like the Junior Pretenders and the animals. The vehicles are cool too.
: >: Hey, did the US get those Pizza Hut Star Wars figures? I'm not into Star
: >: Wars really, but at 5oc a pop I had to get them (:
: >Pizza Hut has toys?
: Sometimes. It was a promo coinciding with a new version of star wars.
Oh well, I'm only into TFs, SW is cool, but I don't care for the troys,
although DV is cool, got him in the sock this little christmas.
: >: >Give Wedge a figure! Wedge! Wedge! Wedge!
: >: What's that? You want a wedgie?
: >: (Guess who's in a playful mood)
: >A wedgie? A noogie?
: Um.. yeah you grab someone's pants and lift..
Owww...
: >: >M "Surrounded By A Fleshy Overcoat" Sipher
: >: Darren, who's got a trigger mechanism in his tail.
: >Iggy, the Buttmaster.
: >: (that's pretty damn good for somepone who has no tail)
: >Yes, that sounds like a feat.
: Darren.
Iggy, who has to think something nifty up...
Dirge
>Blustreak/Prowl/Smokescreen mold set no longer exists? What if we could
>convince them to remake the blue Bluestreak? I know, it's not likely at
>all. But that never stopped me before...
It's likely Prowl's exists. They did release him as a classic in 1990.
On that basis, it's likely these moulds exist:
Jazz
Sunstreaker
Inferno ( & Grapple )
Ironhide ( & Ratchet )
Sideswipe ( & Red Alert )
Tracks
Wheeljack
Prowl ( & Smokescreen, Bluestreak )
That leaves a ? with Skids, Hound, Tralibreaker, Mirage, Hoist. In that
series.
Anyway, I doubt the molds were completely destroyed. I mean, we all like
to preach how stupid Hasbro is, but Takara first released the toys,
right? IMNSHBVO opinion, it's more than likely they exist somewhere.
Darren.
Dirge
>On 30 Mar 1996, Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote:
>> As it stands, Collectible Toys & Values Magazine's report that the
>> Microman molds were destroyed is the only confirmed report of any Takara
>> molds being trashed. But destroying molds after the toy is discontinued
>> is a pretty common practice except among abnormal toy producers like
>> McFarlane Toys, so it wouldn't surprise me if most of the Diaclone molds
>> are long gone.
>> Everybody has their own ideas about how to revitalize TF, but the fact is
>> that it IS already being revitalized. Just beause you don't like Beast
>> Wars doesn't mean that Transformers isn't continuing as a viable, living
>> toy entity. I'd personally like to see a revival of the Headmasters
>> concept as an alternative for the rapidly growing-up Power Rangers crowd,
>> but I've neither ther resources or the time to undertake a project like
>> that. Nor am I going to suggest such a thing to Hasbro/Kenner, which has
>> its own research and development crew. What do we know that they don't?
>Me? Aside from the "TF Classic" propsals o' mine (no, I will NOT shut up
>about those... I happen to be very happy with my designs... even if there
>isn't a Twinkie's chance in Rush Limbaugh's cabinet that they'll get
>made), I would like to see the Pretenders get another go...
Well, I like your proposals except for one aspect: WHERE THE HELL IS DIRGE?
(:
Anyway I'd be thrilled if they were made. The way things are ATM, I'd be
importing them.
>> > Has anybody tried getting a petition together, so that they know
>> >exactly how many fans want to see the originals come back out? What if
>> >they just don't know how many of us there really are?
>Err... no more simple re-releases, please. I'd much rather see classic
>characters come out in all-new molds BASED on the old ones...
Well I'd still be happy if Bluestreak Smokescreen Ironhide & Ratychet
were re-released. Like I said befoe, they had at least 8 molds back in
1990. Maybe those were the ones that they didn't destroy. All of the TFs
above come from those mold (and they're also the ones I dont have).
Oh, Skywarp too (:
>> You want the blue Bluestreak because it's rare. If they rerelease it,
>> it's not rare anymore now, is it?
I want a grey one, dammit!
>> But I wouldn't mind if they released toys of characters who didn't HAVE
>> toys to begin with, like Elita-1 or Deathcobra or folks like that. Those
>> kinds of toys would TRULY be directed only at adult fans and collectors
>> though, so it would come off with the same kind of unfairness. The last
>> thing we need is for Hasbro to fuel the collection/speculation frenzy the
>> way some folks are doing this year...
Bring on Emirate Xaaron!! (Ok, so my Yellow Cliffjumper, when I get him,
will BE Xaaron). Bring on Defcon!!!
>> KKC, waiting to hear about European TFs! Woohoo!
>M "Waiting To GET European TFs! WOOHOO!" Sipher
Darren, waiting to send those .... non-US .... TFs.
Raksha
Zobovor001 <zobov...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article
><Pine.LNX.3.91.960329...@somunix.uafsom.alaska.edu>, Milo
>Sharp <mi...@somunix.uafsom.alaska.edu> writes:
>
>>Wars Renames? We can rename Megatron, Optimus Primal, Dinobot, and give
>>names and characters to the four McD's Warriors.
>
>
>Optimus Primal: Wingslash
>Megatron: Swamp Gator
Uh-uh. "Megatron croc" is Gavial. :)
>Dinobot: Riptorn
>Manta Ray: Sting Ray
>Beetle: Scuttlebug
>Panther: Nightstalker
As in "State Games"? Great story from the 1985 UK Annual, for those who
haven't seen it....
>Rhino: Headbasher
I'll have to get it together someday and post my profiles for Varanus
("Iguanas") and Flame Dance ("Terrosaur").....
--Raksha
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The blue bluestreak
silver
silver with black hood
prowl
smokescreen
classic
and this black one I heard about (possibly the black hooded one)
Iggy Drougge
: >> As it stands, Collectible Toys & Values Magazine's report that the
: >> Microman molds were destroyed is the only confirmed report of any Takara
: >> molds being trashed. But destroying molds after the toy is discontinued
: >> is a pretty common practice except among abnormal toy producers like
: >> McFarlane Toys, so it wouldn't surprise me if most of the Diaclone molds
: >> are long gone.
: >> Everybody has their own ideas about how to revitalize TF, but the fact is
: >> that it IS already being revitalized. Just beause you don't like Beast
: >> Wars doesn't mean that Transformers isn't continuing as a viable, living
: >> toy entity. I'd personally like to see a revival of the Headmasters
: >> concept as an alternative for the rapidly growing-up Power Rangers crowd,
: >> but I've neither ther resources or the time to undertake a project like
: >> that. Nor am I going to suggest such a thing to Hasbro/Kenner, which has
: >> its own research and development crew. What do we know that they don't?
: >Me? Aside from the "TF Classic" propsals o' mine (no, I will NOT shut up
: >about those... I happen to be very happy with my designs... even if there
: >isn't a Twinkie's chance in Rush Limbaugh's cabinet that they'll get
: >made), I would like to see the Pretenders get another go...
: Well, I like your proposals except for one aspect: WHERE THE HELL IS DIRGE?
: (:
Nah, his cone is ugly. =)
: Anyway I'd be thrilled if they were made. The way things are ATM, I'd be
: importing them.
I hope I'm not in the same situation as you...
: >> > Has anybody tried getting a petition together, so that they know
: >> >exactly how many fans want to see the originals come back out? What if
: >> >they just don't know how many of us there really are?
: >Err... no more simple re-releases, please. I'd much rather see classic
: >characters come out in all-new molds BASED on the old ones...
: Well I'd still be happy if Bluestreak Smokescreen Ironhide & Ratychet
: were re-released. Like I said befoe, they had at least 8 molds back in
: 1990. Maybe those were the ones that they didn't destroy. All of the TFs
: above come from those mold (and they're also the ones I dont have).
: Oh, Skywarp too (:
I'd like them too, perhaps not Ironhide, saince he is basically a
recolour of Ratchet, who is a muich cooler character. I'd kill for a
comic Ratchet! BTW, why did they spoell him "Rachet" in the catalogues
and once in the comic?
: >> You want the blue Bluestreak because it's rare. If they rerelease it,
: >> it's not rare anymore now, is it?
: I want a grey one, dammit!
Me too! Not silver, but grey!
: >> But I wouldn't mind if they released toys of characters who didn't HAVE
: >> toys to begin with, like Elita-1 or Deathcobra or folks like that. Those
: >> kinds of toys would TRULY be directed only at adult fans and collectors
: >> though, so it would come off with the same kind of unfairness. The last
: >> thing we need is for Hasbro to fuel the collection/speculation frenzy the
: >> way some folks are doing this year...
: Bring on Emirate Xaaron!! (Ok, so my Yellow Cliffjumper, when I get him,
: will BE Xaaron). Bring on Defcon!!!
Cliffjumper doesn't look very much like Xaaron, and is too small. MSipher
wrote a tech spec for him, BTW (Yellow CJ). I'd kill for a Xaaron too!
: >> KKC, waiting to hear about European TFs! Woohoo!
: >M "Waiting To GET European TFs! WOOHOO!" Sipher
: Darren, waiting to send those .... non-US .... TFs.
Iggy, awaiting those non-US TFs from Darren...
ASTROTRAIN
hmm... maybe they used that story-line in the Terminator 1 & 2 story, where
the t800's used that method on protecting their borg bodies... good concept,
until the fire from the truck in T1 washed it down the drain..
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On 26 Mar 1996, Fill in your name here wrote:
> Robert A. Jung (rj...@netcom.com) wrote:
> : In article <4j1hhr$m...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu> sfe...@s-cwis.unomaha.edu (SUZANNE M FERREE) writes:
> : >Robert A. Jung (rj...@netcom.com) wrote:
> : >>ye...@is2.nyu.edu (Fill in your name here) writes:
>
>
> : That's the nail-hitting-on-the-head there for me. Aside from the Pretender
> : shells, all of the G1 Transformers "beasts" were clearly "mechanical replicas"
> : of the real-life critters. They were an emulation of the general style, but
> : not an out-and-out attempt to ditch the robotic heritage.
>
> Well, now that we have new info on the show (thanks Msipher!), we
> know that the TF's are getting organics now on a whim but for their own
> survival and that they are (in a weird sort of way) trying to protect
> their robot heritage by using organics.
>
> : Well, there's supposed to be some Kenner reps at BotCon; let's chew their
> : ears off (as if we wouldn't already B-).
>
> So you folks are going to go there and show them just how bitter
> and mean fans can be?! That's how we're going to present ourselves? I
> think it would be best to go with pros and cons and provide CONSTRUCTIVE
> criticism. They might appreciate that more than "What the *bleep* are you
> *bleep*ing idiots doing with the *bleep*ing Transformers?!" (you fill in
> the bleeps).
>
> Ben
> ye...@is2.nyu.edu
>
>
>
ASTROTRAIN
have few left, I was at Toys r Us the other day to pick a few up, and man
talk about a crowd of people around the figures isle!!
And all were waiting for more BW figures to be brung out, so I hit the sales
rep, right as shee was leaving the dock area (I worked there and knew
her), and got ALL EXCEPT, Optimus Primal and Megatron, appears Kenner hasn't
shipped them as of yet...
But you gotta see the "special" ones, talk about detail!... as one as
razorbeast or rattrap...
I only got the beetle so far from McDonalds along with the HpyMl box
thatoes with it, as well as some Extras of the beetle and boxes..beings I
did a swipe on McDonalds, for being such pricks!
Thats all that is going for in the stores, TF / BW .... Star Wars
Star Trek , kinda dies off in the action figure set, then again, I was never
a fan of Star Trek, I thought Star Wars & TF's ruled over Star Trek..
And now they are revamping Tarzan, give me a break, and he has all this space
looking stuff to him... I'd say we send the DinoBots after Tarzan... give him
a run for his money..
Or maybe, have Starscream, blow the Enterprise of course, and see of the
trek crew can comprehend a bot basicly blowing their day all to hell...
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On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Milo Sharp wrote:
>
> Wow... we're actually starting to build a decent base of support
> for Beast Wars here. I didn't care for them much at first, but they've
> grown on me, largely due to the McDonalds' Beast Warriors (the cheapest
> transformers ever), low prices, and the prospect of the approaching
> cartoon.
> I *still* don't like Optimus Primal, but I suppose he won't be
> too bad once we rename him and give him his own character. The toy
> itself isn't great, but I think he only strikes us as being downright bad
> because he's so incomparable to the original. (For Raksha's sake, I feel
> the same about the Megatron gator.)
> I like Dinobot, desperately want Cheetor, and will probably
> resort to buying Tarantulas simply due to all the cool stuff I've heard
> about him. For that matter, I'll probably wind up collecting all of
> them, since I didn't have the money to do so with the original series.
> Shall we band together as a group and do A.T.T. Official Beast
> Wars Renames? We can rename Megatron, Optimus Primal, Dinobot, and give
> names and characters to the four McD's Warriors.
>
> Milo, who honestly thinks Beetle was a Professional Wrestler back on
> Cybertron...
>
> ---
>
> Milo (Michael) Sharp
> mi...@somunix.uafsom.alaska.edu
> http://icecube.acf-lab.alaska.edu/~fxmcs/
> "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."
>
>
>
>
Scott Mcallister - UPLG/F93
: Your best bet is to go and get the beast war figures, while toy stores still
: have few left, I was at Toys r Us the other day to pick a few up, and man
: talk about a crowd of people around the figures isle!!
It's crazy! People were going after the people stocking shelves
at TRU. They had them open the boxes before they even got to the BW
section. Better still, the packages say Kenner, but somebody in the know
had them open the Hasbro boxes to look inside. Sure enough they were BWs,
but not the missing Cheetor. He's still a no-show. Oddly enough,
the Op/Meg two-pack was the first one on the sheles here.
You know, I've heard the second wave is hitting the shelves soon,
and that's probably too bad. I think the makers should milk the first
line for all they're worth, and make sure everyone gets the figures they
want before releasing more. There should be another media blitz when
it's time, saying "NEW FIGURES!" It all would've been better if the
release had been pushed back a few months. The first wave could've hit
in late summer, and then the second wave would've arrived just as the
Christmas shopping season was getting underway. Hopefully, there'll be a
line around Christmas to capitalize on all this popularity. (If not,
maybe some older-style TFs, especially a combiner.)
One plus about the line: they show every figure in the group on
the back of the package, so you know which ones there are to get. Early
G2 stuff only showed one from each group.