your favourite Bay movie?
Optim_1
still the first one by far. The last two movies has such a mindless
plot that I can't sit through watching them again despite the
excellent special effects. The first movie had a simple MacGuffin plot
that I am happy with. Michael Bay sure loves government conspiracy and
secrecy and incorborated them in all three movies in such a way that
they contradict each other. The three movies cannot be properly called
a trilogy.
Every relative and friend that I know (including my older sister who
looks down on older Transformers fans and toy collectors like me that
still buy toys while in their thirties) prefers the first movie by far.
Primus
I was already expecting no plot and poo jokes because that's
how the previous films were.
Optim_1
I don't know what you mean that the third movie is "G1 inspired". Are
you referring to the character designs of movie Laserbeak, who looks
like a bird, and movie Shockwave, who has one eye like in G1? Movie
Soundwave is definitely not G1-inspired and he is different in the
third movie than he was in the second movie. Ravage in the second
movie is definitely G1-inspired as he was cat-like.
...Also Known As Thunder
three movies I equally hate.
t.k.
Primus
> I don't know what you mean that the third movie is "G1 inspired".
There were two plot points stolen/inspired directly from the G1
cartoon.
...if you have to ask what they were... then I must ask if you've
ever watched G1.
Optim_1
I have. You're referring to the Ultimate Doom and Megatron's Master
Plan.
Primus
> I have. You're referring to the Ultimate Doom and Megatron's Master
> Plan.
Yep. I see it as an attempt to please me, as a "geewunner." They failed,
but at least an attempt was made.
Gustavo Wombat
In the first movie, nearly every Transformer is gray, taupe or silver
-- I found the fight scenes hard to follow, and for a movie that is
meant to be a spectacle, this is unforgivable. Add to that the
pointless hacker plot, Bobby Bolivia, etc.
The second movie just made no sense at all. And featured the racial
stereotype robots. And dogs humping. And Wheelie. And Agent Simmons
showing a complete misunderstanding of anatomy (there was no scrotum,
just balls). And Leo. And Autobots hunting and executing Decepticons
that weren't doing anything.
The third movie didn't have enough of the parents, and had the
absolutely terrible Rosie Huntington-Whitely who demonstrated just how
more wooden a female character could be. And John Turturro's
flamboyantly gay Agent Simmons was toned down and given some chick to
kiss. Mostly I just didn't buy Carly's "don't be Sentinel Prime's
bitch" speech (or any R H-W did, actually) and it poisoned the ending.
Also, Megatron could have just waited for a few minutes, let Sentinel
Prime kill Optimus, and then shot Sentinel in the back of the head.
So, of the three, I have to go with the second one. The other two were
bad, but ROTF was bad enough to be awesome.
Gustavo!
TigerMegatron
I think all 3 films make up pieces to one giant puzzle.
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On 24 juil, 14:57, Gustavo Wombat <GustavoWom...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> In the first movie, nearly every Transformer is gray, taupe or silver
> -- I found the fight scenes hard to follow, and for a movie that is
> meant to be a spectacle, this is unforgivable. Add to that the
> pointless hacker plot, Bobby Bolivia, etc.
>
I agree that the fight scenes was hard to follow but all three movies
have this problem. I had to follow the action by identifying
characters by their faction: red eyes for the bad guys and blue eyes
for the good guys (except Wheelie) and then try to figure out the
characters.
What I also liked about the first movie is that the special effects
and transformation sequences looked more real than in the other
movies. The close-ups of Optimus and Bumblebee transforming in the
first movie looked real and thrilling. I found the transformations
fake in the other movies especially all of Laserbeak transformations.
The physics of motion looked more real in the first movie too.
The first movie also had a better Transformers focus. At least it had
Sam's personal relationship with Bumblebee as the principal storyline
as well as the humans reaction to the Transformers presence. The other
movies focussed too much about Sam's daily life and his relationship
with his girlfriend. Agent Simmons had a role to play in the first
movie but was uneccssary in the other movies.
> The second movie just made no sense at all. And featured the racial
> stereotype robots. And dogs humping. And Wheelie. And Agent Simmons
> showing a complete misunderstanding of anatomy (there was no scrotum,
> just balls). And Leo. And Autobots hunting and executing Decepticons
> that weren't doing anything.
>
They may not have been doing anything at first glance but they were
still Decepticons who didn't declare themselves to be neutral and were
at war with the Autobots.
> The third movie didn't have enough of the parents, and had the
> absolutely terrible Rosie Huntington-Whitely who demonstrated just how
> more wooden a female character could be.
I liked the parents too. However, it would have been better if they
were in a separate movie with a Sam-type character as their son. I
would watch it. They do not belong in a Transformers movie, in my
opinion since the focus should be on Transformers and their
relationship with the humans.
The third movie focussed way too much about Sam's relationship with
his girlfriend, even more so than the first two movies such that it
was a chick flick with Transformers as a back drop. There are much
better chick flicks done that this although none have the hilarity of
Sam's parents and the actors who played them so convincingly.
And John Turturro's
> flamboyantly gay Agent Simmons was toned down and given some chick to
> kiss. Mostly I just didn't buy Carly's "don't be Sentinel Prime's
> bitch" speech (or any R H-W did, actually) and it poisoned the ending.
> Also, Megatron could have just waited for a few minutes, let Sentinel
> Prime kill Optimus, and then shot Sentinel in the back of the head.
>
I guess Megatron did not realize how cold-blooded Bay's Optimus Prime
can be. This is completely different than the Prime depicted in the
novelization. Like Zobovor in his review of the movie and others, I
was shocked and disappointed by the drastic change between the movie
and novel. I guess Hasbro does not care too much about the characters.
DC or Marvel Comics would not allow their superheroes to kill in cold
blood like Bay's Optimus Prime did.
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On 24 juil, 18:22, TigerMegatron <TigerMegat...@aol.com> wrote:
> Honestly
>
> I think all 3 films make up pieces to one giant puzzle.
I disagree. They are incompatable with each other especially all the
government secrecy. The first movie says that the first contact with
Transformers was Megatron buried in ice looking for the All Spark,
then the second movie says that humans have known that Transformers
have been on Earth for millenium and were not looking for Megatron or
the AllSpark but were simply trying to stop one of their own from
harvesting the Earth. Then the third movie says that the first human
contact with the Transformers was actually on the Moon decades later.
All this government secrecy was unnecceasry and could have been taken
out to make the three movies fit together. For example, just say that
the Fallen came to Earth after the All Spark was destroyed to harvest
the Earth (no need for the 13 Primes crap), and say that Sentinel
Prime was going to Earth in 2011 to join the Decepticons but something
went wrong and he crashed.
I. R. Caughn
> Which of the three Michael Bay movies is your favourite? To me, it is
> still the first one by far.
I agree... though "favourite" is a rather strong word... let's say
"easiest to tolerate"...
... and the opening scene with Blackout storming the SOCCENT base was
pretty bitchin'... all went downhill from there...
J (upon first viewing, was totally waiting for the Decepticon
helicopter to start chanting "wickedly lickety stickledly
wicket..."... yes, that was a shameless self-plug... sorry n' stuff)
I. R. Caughn
RoTF was inspired by the solar needle in "Changing Gears" and
Megatron's ressurrection was inspired by the stuff in between "More
Than Meets The Eye (Part 3)" and "Transport to Oblivion"
All of this infuriates me because George Arthur Bloom, David Wise and
Earl Kress are not credited as co-authors in any of the Bayverse
films. This is plagiarism, pure and simple.
J (or was "Changing Gears" a Donald F. Glut script?... must re-check
later...)
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> On 24 juil, 18:22, TigerMegatron<TigerMegat...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Honestly
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>> I think all 3 films make up pieces to one giant puzzle.
>
> I disagree. They are incompatable with each other especially all the
> government secrecy. The first movie says that the first contact with
> Transformers was Megatron buried in ice looking for the All Spark,
> then the second movie says that humans have known that Transformers
> have been on Earth for millenium and were not looking for Megatron or
> the AllSpark but were simply trying to stop one of their own from
> harvesting the Earth. Then the third movie says that the first human
> contact with the Transformers was actually on the Moon decades later.
I noticed that too. Hard to reconcile but I suspect lazy writing is the
cause...
t.k.
SteveD
<dece...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>I suspect lazy writing is the cause
It *is* a Bay film.
TigerMegatron
Optim-1,The reason I said all 3 micheal bay TF movies are one pieces
to a gaint puzzle is because they all feed of of each other.
DOTM didn't need a origin story because the 2007 movie had it.
the 2007 movie showed megatron & starscream as the most powerfullest &
in high leadership ranks. the ROTF movie showed the fallen as the
strongest decepticon leader in the film.
DOTM was a bad movie for megatron & starscream. as they were portrayed
as weak pieces of garbage,with diminished high ranks. they got pushed
ton the side lines,while sentinel & shockwave lead the cons to
victorious battles in the DOTM movie.
I just feel that all 3 micheal bay movies combined created a singular
decent long movie. like each movie was one third of the puzzle that
combined to form one complete puzzle/movie.
2007 was the origin story. ROTF showed everyone comfortable & getting
used to their surronding,then intruducing newbies in the mix. DOTM
showed the hardships of war & the climatic final show down battles
where key players died.