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The Top Ten Sexually Twisted Transformer Quotes!
#11: "I've got better things to do tonight than die!"
-- Springer, the Movie
#10: "Bumblebee, I can't interface with Optimus Prime!"
-- Ratchet, "SOS Dinobots"
#9: "Grimlock! Get your noodle out of my face!"
-- Kup, The Movie
#8: "Soundwave - prepare to recieve!"
-- Megatron, "Dinobot Island" part 2
#7: "Period!"
-- Cheetor
#6: "Pull my trigger, fleshling! PULL MY TRIGGER!!"
-- Megatron, US Comics #21
#5: "Call me Blowpipe 'cause I wanna blow those rebels away!"
-- Blowpipe, "The Rebirth" Part 2
#4: "Whoa, whoa! Nice mole! Uncle Rattrap just wants to interfaaaaace!"
-- Rattrap, "The Key"
#3: "Blow it."
-- Optimus Primal, "Other Visits" Part 2
#2: "So, "Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay!"
-- Scorponok, Headmasters dub
#1: "This is the last load! Get ready to pull out!!"
-- Megatron, "More Than Meets the Eye" Part Three
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This is so funny I just had to read it all 4 times that you posted it
too. :-)
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> With help from the fine folks at #wiigii!, I not-so-proudly
present....
>
> The Top Ten Sexually Twisted Transformer Quotes!
>
> #11: "I've got better things to do tonight than die!"
> -- Springer, the Movie
Top TEN, huh? ;)
<snip!>
Or how 'bout:
"Negative, Prime! I can't interface!"
--Cosmos, "Megatron's Master Plan"
or
"My weapon is depleted!"
--Dinobot, "Coming of the Fuzors, Part 2" (And just like a male, I
must say. One or two shots from their "weapon" and they've had it...
;) )
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Dammit, Rob. You can't have a list of sexually twisted lines without
including my all-time favorite Inferno line (from "Aftermath"):
"Royalty... you've COME for me!"
--DC; Coming my queen!
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> or
>
> "My weapon is depleted!"
> --Dinobot, "Coming of the Fuzors, Part 2" (And just like a male, I
> must say. One or two shots from their "weapon" and they've had it...
> ;) )
>
Ever heard of recharge time?
Geez....
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> #6: "Pull my trigger, fleshling! PULL MY TRIGGER!!"
> -- Megatron, US Comics #21
>
Wow. THAT is a classic.
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> #6: "Pull my trigger, fleshling! PULL MY TRIGGER!!"
> -- Megatron, US Comics #21
I was wondering if he had ever said "Pull my trigger!" I always use it
as a gag whenever I wear my Megatron T-shirt....I'll walk up to someone
who I *know* is a TransFan and use that line...now I have a direct quote
:) Thank you! :)
And these were a few that, as soon as I heard them, couldn't make myself
stop giggling for the rest of the episode:
"So, what exactly does your do-hickey do?"
--Optimus Prime, "The Master Builders", I believe. And that may
not be word-for-word what he said, but that's the gist of it :)
"What goes up, must come down....and the HARDER the better!"
--Starscream, I'm wanting to say "The Golden Lagoon", but I do
know there's a .wav file of this, so...and not a word from the
WWFF peanut gallery! ;)
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> Ever heard of recharge time?
> Geez....
Yes, I have... And I'll just say that, for that one reason, it's good
to be a woman. ;)
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I can't believe _no one_ has mentioned Rattrap's infamous, "Pussycat,
you really tickle my joystick."
Too obvious, maybe?
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Daniel : "Whoa, look at the size of it!"
HotRod : "Yep, It's a whopper alright!"
And also after HotRod puts Kup back together on Quintessa...
HotRod : "No way, you're just a little stiff."
> Duo Maxwell wrote:
>
> > Ever heard of recharge time?
> > Geez....
>
> Yes, I have... And I'll just say that, for that one reason, it's good
> to be a woman. ;)
Cripes, you're on a mean streak today, ain'tcha? :)
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> Cripes, you're on a mean streak today, ain'tcha? :)
I'm not being mean! At least, I wasn't *trying* to be mean! I just
meant that when it comes to sex, it's good to be a woman. :) Of course,
the nine-month-long result of it can be a little...off-putting...but
it's great while it lasts! :)
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Bwahaahahahaaa!! Yee ha! :)
Dinogrrl :)
Sexually slanted? Female-human-reproductive-cycle slanted maybe. :)
Dinogrrl :)
I would just like to say, I am still glad to be a guy. Ooooh yeah.
> Bwahaahahahaaa!! Yee ha! :)
Heh. Am I right or am I right? :) Guys... Poor dears have to endure
recharge time... ;) No wonder they're crazy! :)
Yes, boys. I'm kidding. Don't get yer knickers in a knot. :)
> I would just like to say, I am still glad to be a guy. Ooooh yeah.
Well, when it comes to this ONE issue, that's only because you don't
know any better, dearie. :)
But of course, in everything *else* in life, it's much easier and far
less humiliating to be a guy...
Really? Hmmm... How so? Girls don't get beat up in school to the extent that
they have to run away, literally! Girls don't have other girls put stickers of
male-male porno to their backs! (Trust me. it doens't feel good when they do
that to ya.)
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Well, Nightwing, correct me if Im wroung, but you don't know what it is like
for a guy any more than I know what it is like for a girl. Or do you have
something you would like to tell us.
> SilverRikBoltBakke wrote:
>
> > Cripes, you're on a mean streak today, ain'tcha? :)
>
> I'm not being mean! At least, I wasn't *trying* to be mean! I
> just meant that when it comes to sex, it's good to be a woman. :)
Ah, I thought you meant that recharge time was the one reason
being a woman is good - that you'll have some peace and quiet
for at least 10 minutes at a time. ;)
> Of course, the nine-month-long result of it can be a little...
> off-putting...but it's great while it lasts! :)
Hoist: "My career was enjoyable while it lasted. All 10 seconds
of it." Wonder what kind of movie he was *really* making? ;)
> Peace, Nightwind--Mind you, it's ONLY good thing about being a
> woman... :P
Aww, surely that can't be true?
Nonono, Rob, you forgot the best one of all.
<Snarl> You head the boss, Slag!
--US #78
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ROFL, I never noticed that typo before! That rules! (and to nitpick,
it's #74 :)
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Bah.
Rattrap during the Agenda, to Silverbolt "So, you find any new positions?".
And that one was MEANT to be innuendo!
>Duo Maxwell wrote:
>
>> Ever heard of recharge time?
>> Geez....
>
>Yes, I have... And I'll just say that, for that one reason, it's good
>to be a woman. ;)
>
""O_O
...
Did I just read that?!? ;)
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> "My weapon is depleted!"
> --Dinobot, "Coming of the Fuzors, Part 2" (And just like a male, I
> must say. One or two shots from their "weapon" and they've had it...
> ;) )
That's why they invented "unarmed combat" techniques. And the world
would definitely be a better place if more people acknowledged the
effectiveness of oral diplomacy... (smirk)
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capably murderous. -- Jane's Addiction, "Of Course"
We have a fair share of crud to take. We're picked on at school just as
mercilessly. Plus, guys don't have to go through a certain <ahem>
monthy cycle (which for some can be painful), and the results of
certain "intimate situations" leave you guys pretty happy, while we
stand a good chance of undergoing a certain nine-month period of time,
plus labor and childbirth (and just try to image pushing something out
of an opening that's not big enough for it!). Guys don't have to worry
about getting pregnant. But I'll stop now lest things get any more
graphic and I get waaaay more off-topic.
Anywho, back to the original purpose of this thread:
I seem to remember a line coming from Megatron that went something like
this: "Load me, Prime!" It was while he was in gun mode, but without
actually watching the scene, it doesn't really sound right :)
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Oh, crap, right! I was even READING that issue as I typed this. I am
stupid.
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That's the POINT, doofus. We're picking out the ones that AREN'T
SUPPOSED TO BE INNUENDO.
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Makes sense... Ok, enough of this. The on-topic part:
>I seem to remember a line coming from Megatron that went something like
>this: "Load me, Prime!" It was while he was in gun mode, but without
>actually watching the scene, it doesn't really sound right :)
Hmmm... Ttat episode was "Countdown to Exincton". Megaron: No time to argue,
prime, pick me up! Now LOAD ME!
Uh, Duo? THAT'S THE POINT. We're picking out TF quotes that weren't
SUPPOSED to be innuendos.
Back to the kiddie pool for you, Duo.
(X)
*reads Walky's post*
O_o
*reads self's reply to Duo*
o_O
. . .
Clone.
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a metal bat.
You're no clone of MINE!
...besides, look at me. /:)
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I used to think girls had it better than us for that reason - it seemed
like they didn't have to worry about their own gender being a bunch of
stupid jackasses all the time.
But as I got older and started really noticing how girls treat each
other, I realized that they deal with the same crap, only in a more
psychological form. Their fights tend to be more through words and
manipulations, and I've heard more than one woman speak enviously about
how guys work things out through simple physical means (see "Fight
Club"). Female rivalries are often more complicated, devious, and
emotionally scarring.
Of course, this is all generalization, and second-hand generalization
at that. There are exceptions to every rule, etc., etc., etc. But
this has been my observation so far, and anyone is welcome to educate
me if I'm wrong.
> Girls don't have other girls put stickers of
> male-male porno to their backs!
No, they're far more imaginative.
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> Well, Nightwing, correct me if Im wroung, but you don't know what it
is like
> for a guy any more than I know what it is like for a girl.
Nope, don't know *precisely* what it's like. But I *do* know that
men--all men--require that "recharge time." 'Tis biological fact, no way
around it. 'Tis also biological fact that women *don't* need "recharge
time," which is why I said that, in this ONE way, it's good to be a
woman. :)
>Or do you have something you would like to tell us.
No, I am most definitely female. Either that or I'm a freak of nature,
given that I have given birth. :)
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> Really? Hmmm... How so? Girls don't get beat up in school to the
extent that
> they have to run away, literally! Girls don't have other girls put
stickers of
> male-male porno to their backs! (Trust me. it doens't feel good when
they do
> that to ya.)
I'm sure it doesn't. :) And I don't mean to belittle what guys go
through, although physically...Well, I'm sorry, but you just can't come
close. :) I could point out all of the physical inconveniences of being
female, mostly related to our "beloved" menstrual cycles. I could point
out that while girls generally don't beat each other up, no, they DO
engage in some wicked psychological warfare that hurts a lot worse and
leaves many more scars than what generally results from a schoolyard
scuffle. And in the past, I would have said that a single visit to the
gynecologist EASILY puts women way ahead in the suffering/humiliation
game. :)
But now I know better. *Trust* me, there is *nothing* in the world more
humiliting than childbirth. I've been through lots of humiliation, both
public and private, in my time, but nothing else even comes CLOSE to
comparing. Not only is your body doing things that are entirely out of
your control, but there are all these people standing around you
thinking that it's the most wonderful thing in the world that you're
going through it...and half of them are staring fixatedly at your
crotch. :P
No, thank you. Not again.
Which, incidentally, is why I chuckle every time I see fic writers
trying to sic a reproduction method exactly like ours on the TFs. I
cannot imagine that the TFs would *want* to do it that way. :) At least
not the female ones. :) I firmly believe that the people who write that
stuff haven't actually been through the process, bless their hearts. :)
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Somewhere, Recharge is crying now.
Well, he's married anyhoo. At least his wife needs Recharge time...
Yeah, you're probably right. Then again I've also had women who've
had kids enthuse about the process. Me? Nuh-uh. Have no interest.
But onto the TF thing, obviously we can still come up with easier
processes where the female can carry the tf-ette without having the
equivalent of vaginal birth. But I've always had a question about the
processes proposed where the baby grows in an external container. If
tf's evolved as per other organisms, what came first? The tf or the
container? Even if they developed this process like a very advanced
form of Test-tube babies (an extension which we ourselves might reach
one day), it still implies that there was a previous reproduction
method, most probably centered within the body, and the 'grow it in a
bottle' method externalised it.
I've never liked the explanation that they just build themselves some
new tfs. This makes them too much like a piece of machinery, like
building a fridge at the local GE plant. It should not be that easy
to build a genuinley living creature, organic or mechanistic, like a
mechano set. Because tf bodies in my mind are just as complex a
system as human bodies, and to build one, if not impossible, would
take years or more. To build them quickly on a factory basis implies
they are no more complicated than what rolls of the line at Chrysler.
I don't like the idea of human style birth for them either, but
asexual budding is not a very good option either. It's quite possible
that sexual reproduction is a pre-requisite for developing sentience.
There is no such thing as sexual budding, and in order to produce a
suitably genetically varied population (unless you're going to bud in
the billions like bacteria) you need some form of sexual repro. This
doesn't mean actual sex, but some way of combining genes from two
different individuals. This could be done by saying all tf's are
genderless and have two of them share genetic material and pop off a
new one. But as most fans here perceive the characters as being
'male', I'm sure the idea of Jazz and Bluestreak sharing genes to make
a new recruit wouldn't sit to well for various reasons.
So, I like the idea of genuine genders, and as I am disaffected with
the 'factory build' model, I would propose some form of sexual
reproduction. Exactly how, I don't know. Maybe I should work on it.
Or maybe I should stop sleeping all day, cause I'm buggered if I know
where all this essay just came from! :)
Dinogrrl :) Sheesh, can I crap on.
Dang... Wow.
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>
>
> With help from the fine folks at #wiigii!, I not-so-proudly present....
>
> The Top Ten Sexually Twisted Transformer Quotes!
>
> #11: "I've got better things to do tonight than die!"
> -- Springer, the Movie
>
> #10: "Bumblebee, I can't interface with Optimus Prime!"
> -- Ratchet, "SOS Dinobots"
>
> #9: "Grimlock! Get your noodle out of my face!"
> -- Kup, The Movie
>
> #8: "Soundwave - prepare to recieve!"
> -- Megatron, "Dinobot Island" part 2
>
> #7: "Period!"
> -- Cheetor
>
> #6: "Pull my trigger, fleshling! PULL MY TRIGGER!!"
> -- Megatron, US Comics #21
>
> #5: "Call me Blowpipe 'cause I wanna blow those rebels away!"
> -- Blowpipe, "The Rebirth" Part 2
>
> #4: "Whoa, whoa! Nice mole! Uncle Rattrap just wants to interfaaaaace!"
> -- Rattrap, "The Key"
>
> #3: "Blow it."
> -- Optimus Primal, "Other Visits" Part 2
>
> #2: "So, "Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay!"
> -- Scorponok, Headmasters dub
>
> #1: "This is the last load! Get ready to pull out!!"
> -- Megatron, "More Than Meets the Eye" Part Three
> --
> Robert Powers of the Ever-Changing .sig
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> Yeah, you're probably right. Then again I've also had women >who've
had kids enthuse about the process. Me? Nuh-uh. Have no >interest.
Heh. That's because you're SMART! :) I mean, I can't argue with the
RESULT of childbirth, of course; I just have a problem with the whole
process of it. Surrogates! Surrogates are the way to go! :) Hire someone
who actually LIKES being pregnant and giving birth! Like my sister,
f'rinstance. :)
> But onto the TF thing, obviously we can still come up with easier
> processes where the female can carry the tf-ette without having the
> equivalent of vaginal birth.
Pop open a panel and WHOOMP! There it is? :) Sort of like a Caesarian
thing, perhaps... Still, that would entail being pregnant... Then again,
they ARE TFs. Maybe they could come up with a type of pregnancy that
doesn't involve nausea, vomiting, heartburn, mood swings like you would
not believe, being jolted awake four times a night by a swift kick to
your liver, kidneys, or, worse, your bladder, painfully swollen and
leaky...er, appendages...on your chest, AND an constant, endless stream
of potty trips. Get rid of all of that, and pregnancy wouldn't be
half-bad. :)
> But I've always had a question about the
> processes proposed where the baby grows in an external >container. If
> tf's evolved as per other organisms, what came first? The tf or the
> container?
I would guess that it would depend on your thoughts about the origin of
the species. The cartoon had a very "assembly line" feel to the creation
of new TFs. Yet, at the same time it gives us Elita-One and Co and quite
obviously links them all with male TFs. And then of course there's Arcee
and Springer and of course the various attachments on BW.
That always bugged me. If they reproduce by a method little different
than an assembly line, then what's the point of having genders? And I
believe they do have gender. I've seen it said here and there that TFs
don't have gender but they just look like they do. Hogwash! :P THAT
makes no sense. Besides, humans refer to them as "he" and "she." Other
species refer to them as "he" or "she." They refer to THEMSELVES as "he"
and "she." If they didn't have gender, why would they have two different
pronouns. Why not just refer to everyone as gender-neutral "it"s?
<Ahem> Anyway...Like I said it all kind of depends on which origin
theory you believe. You go by the cartoon, and you get the impression
that the container came first and there never was an egg. You go by the
comic and things get...uh, weird.... (BUDDING? Whose cockamamie idea was
THAT? Sheesh...) Me, I've come up with my own theory which is almost as
weird as the comics' :) That being that I think of the TFs as having an
organic origin, but not in the way you're probably thinking. So, to me,
genders make sense because it's what they had been used to and their
reproduction method would be perhaps a more efficient modification of
your standard human method. Hence, the egg came first. :) Though I would
stress that I *don't* imagine a method of reproduction that's really
analogous to ours...
> Even if they developed this process like a very advanced
> form of Test-tube babies (an extension which we ourselves might >reach
one day),
And a happy day that will be, as far as I'm concerned! ;)
>
> I've never liked the explanation that they just build themselves some
> new tfs. This makes them too much like a piece of machinery, like
> building a fridge at the local GE plant. It should not be that easy
> to build a genuinley living creature, organic or mechanistic, like a
> mechano set.
As I said, I totally agree. :)
> Because tf bodies in my mind are just as complex a
> system as human bodies, and to build one, if not impossible, would
> take years or more. To build them quickly on a factory basis >implies
they are no more complicated than what rolls of the line at >Chrysler.
Except for one crucial point. The TF that results...however it
results...is sentient. And, to me, the root of sentience is obviously
not the body but the mind. So I, personally, can ALMOST accept the idea
that their BODIES are produced in that way, a sort of simple
construction. BUT I cannot accept that their minds are created during
the same process.
And that's the aspect of the Great Reproduction Debate that *I* can't
reconcile. Where the HECK do their minds come from? I don't accept that
they're all operating on some sort of super-advanced computer program.
Granted, I don't know a heckuva lot about computer programming and AI
and all that. Nor do I really want to know, before anyone attempts to
edify me. But I DO know that, no matter how good AI is, human minds are
still better. And TF minds are better than human minds. Seems to me that
if all TFs do what they do and make the decisions they make based
solely on some sort of program, then they have no free will. And I don't
like that. And I really don't think it gibes with what we see in the
characters, anyway. If TFs operated simply on programming, then would
Blitzwing have done what he did at the end of "Five Faces of Darkness,"
as just one example? Don't think so. So while I can sort of see their
bodies being "mass-produced," I absolutely cannot accept that their
minds are created in that sort of artificial way.
Maybe I'm just too influenced by my humanity, but to me TF reproduction
CAN'T be as simple as building a body, taking it to visit Vector Sigma,
and having VS zap an entire personality into it, including memories.
(Remember, Silverbolt is acrophobic because he USED TO BE a low-level
flier. He REMEMBERS being that. Slingshot, too, remembers what he used
to be. Which suggests to me that the Aerielbots, at least, had sort of
dormant personalities BEFORE Vector Sigma ever got a hold of them...)
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, we've never seen the whole picture when
it comes to making TF "babies." I'm just not sure what the whole
picture would be...
> I don't like the idea of human style birth for them either, but
> asexual budding is not a very good option either.
Um...no. Not at ALL! :)
>It's quite possible
> that sexual reproduction is a pre-requisite for developing >sentience.
There is no such thing as sexual budding, and in order to >produce a
suitably genetically varied population (unless you're >going to bud in
the billions like bacteria) you need some form of >sexual repro.
And even bacteria will occasionally exchange genes, meaning that they,
too, can reproduce sexually...Or is that protozoans? Ach, where's the
bio teacher hubby when you need him...?
> This doesn't mean actual sex, but some way of combining genes >from
two different individuals. This could be done by saying all tf's >are
genderless and have two of them share genetic material and >pop off a
new one. But as most fans here perceive the characters >as being
'male', I'm sure the idea of Jazz and Bluestreak sharing >genes to make
a new recruit wouldn't sit to well for various reasons.
BWAHAHAHAHAH! :) Indeed not. ;) Though, if you'd used Bluestreak and
Prowl in that example, that WOULD explain a certain screen cap in my
archive... ;) It's Blueprowl! Or maybe Prowlstreak? :)
No, seriously, I don't have a concrete idea in my head of what TF
reproduction should be like, but I have vague ideas that it should
involve an exchange of some sort between two existing TFs (though not
*necessarily* two TFs of different genders... Heh...That should cause a
stir, if anyone's actually attempting to read this pile of disjointed
thoughts. :) ) in order to create a new one. In my mind, I'm thinking
that's what needed to produce a new TF mind, if not a new body as well.
The idea of the process being *exactly* like the human method of
reproduction is a little...well...mundane. Uncreative...though
occasionally amusing to read. :) I would think up something far more
exotic, personally. :) But what happens after that, in terms of
"gestation" is quite cloudy in my mind. I don't fancy the idea of
pregnant TFs (Though if I did, I'd make the males carry the kids! :)
HAH! Take THAT! :) ), but at the same time the idea of a little
container or vat or something where the "kid" develops just seems a
little...impersonal, though perhaps that's human bias showing.
> So, I like the idea of genuine genders, and as I am disaffected with
> the 'factory build' model, I would propose some form of sexual
> reproduction. Exactly how, I don't know.
I agree. And I'm in the same boat with the "how" part... :)
> Maybe I should work on it.
> Or maybe I should stop sleeping all day, cause I'm buggered if I >know
where all this essay just came from! :)
Heh. I've infected you with the Babble Virus. :)
> Dinogrrl :) Sheesh, can I crap on.
But we love you when you "crap on," DG! :)
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Yeah, That makes scince. I was just thinking, if TFs have no gender, and we see
that Optimus and Elita and what not, how come we never see Blur Streak and
Ironhide, or Cliffjumper and Bumblebee. Well? You see TFs must have gender.
Even in "The Search For Alpha Trion" we hear Shock wave say "female autobots".
I say if Shock wave thinks TFs have gender, I say TFs have gender. What then?
If the point of gender is sexual reproduction, then TFs must have some long
forgotten form of sexual reproduction. In G2 ish nine, we see that TFs have
DNA. THis also proves that TFs are more than just machiens. So all I am saying
is that, while at the moment there is no TF sexual reproduction, at some time
there must have been. Because, you know, Primus can oly do so much.
Hmmm... The way I always figured... They 'hook up', literally. Some data flies
thru, and a program is developed for the new tf. Then it's writen to a body.
That's all. But with Rob's latest dream, I don't wanna get into this argument
too much.
>
> > "My weapon is depleted!"
> > --Dinobot, "Coming of the Fuzors, Part 2" (And just like a male, I
> > must say. One or two shots from their "weapon" and they've had it...
> > ;) )
>
> That's why they invented "unarmed combat" techniques. And the world
> would definitely be a better place if more people acknowledged the
> effectiveness of oral diplomacy... (smirk)
>
That sorta sounds like this Record of Lodoss Dojinshi I read once..
> >
> > Bah.
> > Rattrap during the Agenda, to Silverbolt "So, you find any new
> positions?".
> >
> > And that one was MEANT to be innuendo!
>
> Uh, Duo? THAT'S THE POINT. We're picking out TF quotes that weren't
> SUPPOSED to be innuendos.
>
> Back to the kiddie pool for you, Duo.
Umm. no.
Why do I like that line?
BECAUSE IT WAS IN A DAMN KIDS SHOW.
I mean, for dirty lines it certainly doesn't compare to Helena Bonham
Carter's line in
Fight Club, "I haven't been fucked like that since grade school".
But the fact it was in there and was innuendo IN a kiddie show designed to
sell toys makes
it kick ass.
And maybe I am wrong, but I saw nothing about the dirty lines having to be
intended or unintended.
I need not say more....
<snip>
>
>I've never liked the explanation that they just build themselves some
>new tfs. This makes them too much like a piece of machinery, like
>building a fridge at the local GE plant. It should not be that easy
>to build a genuinley living creature, organic or mechanistic, like a
>mechano set. Because tf bodies in my mind are just as complex a
>system as human bodies, and to build one, if not impossible, would
>take years or more. To build them quickly on a factory basis implies
>they are no more complicated than what rolls of the line at Chrysler.
Personally, I like the idea of them being build in a special 'building
container', directly from their component *atoms*. The atoms are put
together to form molecules/components, then the components 'grow' in
the container, and when everythings ready the container opens and
releases the bot.
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>I know that everyone has probabally skewering every format possible so I
>hope this hasn't appeared yet.
>
>Optimus Prime
>"Hound, Sideswipe, you're both low in fuel, Ride with with me!"
>Hound
>"As you command Optimus!"
>
From TFTM:
Hotrod: "If you're gonna ride, Danno, ride in style!"
Heh - sounds good to me :)
>I would guess that it would depend on your thoughts about the origin of
>the species.
Yeah and the Primus followers would have grounds to disagree. But I
never liked the "God made them all" idea either. I much prefer some
type of evolution - I don't have a problem with mecha-organic
lifeforms evolving (almost wrote evolvo-ing....look out, the volvos
are evolving!!).
>Me, I've come up with my own theory which is almost as
>weird as the comics' :) That being that I think of the TFs as having an
>organic origin, but not in the way you're probably thinking.
Ooh - do you have any details on that? I've occassionally thought of
them as having quasi-organic components, and kinda took offense at the
reference to humans as carbon-based lifeforms, cause it's not like
these guys rean't going to have carbon in them too.
>Except for one crucial point. The TF that results...however it
>results...is sentient. And, to me, the root of sentience is obviously
>not the body but the mind. So I, personally, can ALMOST accept the idea
>that their BODIES are produced in that way, a sort of simple
>construction. BUT I cannot accept that their minds are created during
>the same process.
Oh agreement here. But I tend to be a luddite by linking the mind to
the body, mainly cause we can't separate the two (or at least seem
to), and damage to the 'brain' will damage the mind, or even destroy
it. So I see your point, but I tend to glue the two together a little
more. Yes, transformers via superglue! :)
>And even bacteria will occasionally exchange genes, meaning that they,
>too, can reproduce sexually...Or is that protozoans?
No, that's bacteria. I forgot that. But still. Asexual budding just
doesnt't happen in mulitcellular organisms.
>BWAHAHAHAHAH! :) Indeed not. ;) Though, if you'd used Bluestreak and
>Prowl in that example, that WOULD explain a certain screen cap in my
>archive... ;) It's Blueprowl! Or maybe Prowlstreak? :)
There you go reading my mind again :) I was going to use Prowl but
decided on another pair. And speaking of Blue and Prowl, the first
time I saw those two I always thought they were brothers or at least
half-brothers, with Prowl being the older. But anyway.
>I would think up something far more
>exotic, personally. :) But what happens after that, in terms of
>"gestation" is quite cloudy in my mind. I don't fancy the idea of
>pregnant TFs (Though if I did, I'd make the males carry the kids! :)
Well, that's perfectly possible and considering how things are done
with most animals on Earth, pretty darn exotic too. The only one
which does it is the Seahorse, although I would modify that and have
it possible for both genders to carry. Gestation doesn't bother me as
a specialized compartment could hold the 'infant' while a swarm of
nanites helped construct the body. Of course then when it pops out,
it's a question of whether it is capable of growth or has to jump
bodies, another idea that never endeared itself to me. I tend to see
the armour part as changeable and somewhat symbiotic, and the
underlying mainframe capable of growth. Both could grow as the child
does, so it's robot and alternate form are functional from the start,
but slowly get bigger. Besides, the idea of a mini 280ZX is too
irresistible. :)
>HAH! Take THAT! :) ), but at the same time the idea of a little
>container or vat or something where the "kid" develops just seems a
>little...impersonal, though perhaps that's human bias showing.
And I don't see a problem with human bias either. Of course you can
carry the similarities too far as to make them indistinguishable, but
of course we are better able to relate to processes and forms somewhat
similar to ours, it's only normal.
Well, I've eaten dinner but I'm still hungry, so now I'm off to eat a
bowl of 'Chocolate Mousse Fudge' icecream. :)
Dinogrrl :)
<snip>
>
> And maybe I am wrong, but I saw nothing about the dirty lines having
to be
> intended or unintended.
Sometimes the title of a thread is a dead giveaway...
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I promised myself I would stay away from this thread if I can help
it.... but a certain friend *cough*cough*Seeks*cough*seeks*cough*cough*
needs a favor, so here it goes....
From BW, Optimal Situation....
SILVERBOLT: What are you doing?
BLACKARACHIA: It's not what I'm doing; it's what I'm *un*doing!
--
"The Outtsyder", you *owe* me one, Seeks.... ;)
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Desire alone is not enough."
TRANSFORMERS, "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 2," 1984
=================================================
> > "So, what exactly does your do-hickey do?"
> > --Optimus Prime, "The Master Builders", I believe. And that may
> > not be word-for-word what he said, but that's the gist of it :)
> >
> >
> > "What goes up, must come down....and the HARDER the better!"
> > --Starscream, I'm wanting to say "The Golden Lagoon", but I do
> > know there's a .wav file of this, so...and not a word from the
> > WWFF peanut gallery! ;)
>
> I promised myself I would stay away from this thread if I can help
> it.... but a certain friend *cough*cough*Seeks*cough*seeks*cough*cough*
> needs a favor, so here it goes....
>
> From BW, Optimal Situation....
>
> SILVERBOLT: What are you doing?
> BLACKARACHIA: It's not what I'm doing; it's what I'm *un*doing!
>
Argh... Beast Wars is really getting beastier and beastier...
--
Thomas Hamann
*points to the title of the thread*
*flashes in big bold letters _SEXUALLY TWISTED_*
*walks off*
(X)
> "old because I am hard..." ...wait, that sounds contradictory! /:)
Maybe he was one of the lab rats for Viagra?
-Bobbi... who, and I'm not kidding, got an ad for the International
Journal of Impotence Research in my mailbox at school today...
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Fear is that little darkroom where negatives are developed.
-Michael Prichard
Um, guess again.... remind me to show you my nice lil pink slips from school
sometime. The ones they'd hand out blaming me for the problem whenever I got
sent home with a concussion.....
>Girls don't have other girls put
>stickers of
>> male-male porno to their backs! (Trust me. it doens't feel good when
>they do
>> that to ya.)
Nope, but a girl in 7th grade did call me up on the phone and ask me out...
While I was explaining to her in no uncertain terms that I'm not gay, her
friends were giggling in the background, listening in on another phone....
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