Oh, the wonderful community.
Kittie Rose
community. If you're sick of it, then fuck off and don't read this,
but I'd rather you pull the stick of apathy out of your ass(not saying
this about everyone, in case I get another angry email about Rik
Bakke, just in general towards a certain group) for once since I have
some damn hard evidence this time.
However, a wonderful gem recently -
http://www.thetaverntable.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1095
Keep in mind that many people posting in those forums are exactly the
mods I'm bitching about. I've no real reason to believe that the
others think any differently.
And continually, none of them defend their actions - just LOL U R GAY
shit you'd expect on 4chan, yet complain about the lack of "logic and
objectivity" in my posts(no doubt just because they're recognised them
as buzz words I'm in love with). And more of the "BATSHIT INSANE" type
stuff I grew to hate David Willis for too - despite the fact that I'm
the only one making real posts(which of course, means TL;DR, how
convenient).
Some of the comments are down right homophobic. They even tried to
organise a childish conspiracy against me.
Do you REALLY think I'm wrong to have a "Tirade" against these kind of
people? Do you really think I'm in the wrong to make them out to be
horrible people?
This is what the people that ban me from their forums are thinking.
This is why I was dead set against them in the first place, leading to
my bans - I could tell from the way they act the complete lack of
regard they had for others, and how much of a "Badass" they all felt
themselves to be. They're 4chan rejects, basically; so why the hell do
we except them with open arms?
I can't stress how much that this is not a "Personal" issue even
though these asshats have made it into one - I don't want *anyone* to
be torn into like that, but plenty of people are on various forums
because of bad moderation. They're just doing it more directly this
time.
Most of you dislike me, but you really should have some ethical or
moral standards here. There are certainly things that the movie
pushers do to the haters I'd *never* approve of being done to them.
I just want an end to this, not just for my own headache to cease but
so we don't have a community run by homophobes, trolls and idiots who
poke fun at people with disabilities.
~ KR
Autobus Prime
> Most of you dislike me, but you really should have some ethical or
> moral standards here. There are certainly things that the movie
> pushers do to the haters I'd *never* approve of being done to them.
KR:
Dislike you? I don't even know you. I don't make a habit of disliking
people I don't know. I do think you are getting too upset about this
stuff, more than is good for you. Yes, people can be jerks who do
the same things they accuse other people of, but it's not worth
fretting over so much. For your own sake, calm down and
try to distance yourself from the arguments. Read a good book,
go out and look for the Pleiades, that sort of thing. This online
thing is a diversion. It's fun; it can help us socialize and stave
off boredom; it can be interesting and even instructive, but in the
grand scheme of life, nothing we talk about here means as much as a
field of beans or a baby's laugh.
The only standards of USENET are the standards expected of polite
society, and the only enforcement is the willingness of people to
follow them. The only person whose willingness to do so I can control
is myself. Just try to be polite, ignore the obnoxious people as well
as possible, and know when to bail out. If you think somebody is
willing to listen, try to explain your point. If he doesn't get it,
don't
keep arguing. Argue with a fool and you make two.
Cordially yours:
Autobus Prime
w/minicon Farebox.
Kittie Rose
threads they have made previously.
I finally have the proof that several individuals really ARE terrible
individuals.
Why, exactly, should I "calm down"? I'm not even angry. I'm PLEASED.
Well, I'm angry too, but I'm always angry - so this is a marked
changed. I won't continue to be pleased if people turn a blind eye to
this, though.
Arguing with a fool doesn't make you a fool. But using a nice little
saying in place of real reasoning just might.
I just don't get why it seemingly would kill some of you to actually
care about the fact that this fandom is run by some horrible people.
"Holy fuck, how did you find that out? that was a site secret.
Alright, I have had enough of this. That, and I need to go to work and
really don't want to come home to a board on fire.
Kittie, I'm banning you. I really don't need to justify why except
that I don't like you. I am sorry you have a condition that affects
your ability to deal with people, but be sure that that is not the
reason I am banning you.
i will also lock this thread so we don't continue to laugh at you
without giving you a reason to respind.
We want you to go away. Don't come back, and don't re-register.
And do NOT e-mail me abou tthis.
I don't give a shit about you, and I have no use for what you have to
say to me. Ever.
Goodbye."
Maximus Prime is probably one of the most corrupt mods I've ever met.
He originally banned me on Seibertron for insulting his daugher - that
is, I pointed out that the movie wasn't aimed at his 7 year old
daughter, when we were discussing demographics. And no, I didn't do it
angrily, either. He took MASSIVE offense to this, which I took a
rational objection to, pointing him out that I meant no offense to his
daughter and he was over-reacting - that REALLY pisses me off.
Now he bans me simply because he doesn't like me. Not to mention
participated in one of the most horrid counts of bullying I've ever
seen. He has the NERVE to make me look like I'm the one in the wrong
when they made that fucking topic. And he doesn't seem to care to
understand what "social disorder" means - he's one of those shits that
thinks people are ALWAYS accountable for their actions and psychology
is a bunch of bull when it comes to actually effecting anything.
And this guy is a mod/admin on Seibertron, one of the biggest forums.
He is a terrible human being and should NEVER have been given modship.
Why does everyone turn a blind eye for this? You could change
something for a lot of people, improve something, if all you did was
cared for one damn second. Why do you not understand my frustration
that you don't? What COULD be done and what you all REFUSE to do? The
fandom wouldn't be beyond saving if people cared to save it.
Why should I not point this out? If someone does something wrong; why
should they not be held accountable?
Apathy disgusts me.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
not an ATT problem, where else am I going to post exactly? This is the
only unmoderated place. It's the only logical place to bring these
things to someone's attention.
Again, if people are just bad and wrong, this should be noted.
Otherwise nothing will change for the better. Imagine how much would
change if a few posters on Seibertron decided "Hey, why do you guys
have someone like this on staff?" Enough people do it, they can't do
anything. All they can do is bully people and single out people and
call them "Insane" for not thinking like that(if they even think at
all).
~ KR
Autobus Prime
> Arguing with a fool doesn't make you a fool. But using a nice little
> saying in place of real reasoning just might.
KR:
Perhaps. It's a good saying, though. The point of it is not that
arguing
with a fool /makes/ one a fool, but that a wise person should be wise
enough to know when his opponent is simply not receptive to reason.
Kittie Rose
Yeah; but the whole purpose of my posting in that thread was to show
them up for morons who can't reason. Do you really think I thought I
could change their mind? Like I said, they're horrendous human beings.
I'm not trying to change their mind; I want them looked down upon
because they deserve it.
And now I'm posting the result here.
If nobody cares, it was pretty much a waste of time. Though it is nice
to know I'm right now and again...
~ KR
Parallax
> Some of you have been getting TERRIBLY annoyed with my hatred of the
> community. If you're sick of it, then fuck off and don't read this,
Can do!
*PLONK*
Kittie Rose
Besides celebrating your apathy, you still posted.
Epic Fail.
not_avai...@yahoo.com
> Some of you have been getting TERRIBLY annoyed with my hatred of the
> community. If you're sick of it, then fuck off and don't read this,
> but I'd rather you pull the stick of apathy out of your ass(not saying
> this about everyone, in case I get another angry email about Rik
> Bakke, just in general towards a certain group) for once since I have
> some damn hard evidence this time.
>
> However, a wonderful gem recently -
>
>
> http://www.thetaverntable.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&...
Wow. So you're an Irish, "clinically-diagnosed" socially-retarded,
trannie (Female to Male?!) Transfan? HOT. ...HONK HONK.
Victoryleo
noticed your post/replies on ATT for the past few months. thus far
you seem like the average/normal TF fan on the internet. I noticed
you said you lived in the UK. it's always interesting to get a UK TF
toy/comic/cartoon/media updates once in a while.
Kittie rose you kinda remind me of a ATT-er named Blue-Jackal. Blue-
Jackal was also from the UK. Blue-jackal hasn't posted here in
years.
Anyways Since this is your thread,I've gotta ask 3 questions because
I'm curious.
(1) What exactly does kittie-rose stand for or where is it from? is it
a marvel X-Men female name? A old TF comic/cartoon human female name?
or?
(2)I noticed you had similar views & live in the UK Like blue-jackal.
I'm just curious are you & blue-jackal the same person?
(3) are you a male or female TF fan? I don't think you've ever stated
your gender here on ATT. IF you have then I missed it.
Thylacine 2000
> I just want an end to this, not just for my own headache to cease but
> so we don't have a community run by homophobes, trolls and idiots who
> poke fun at people with disabilities.
Says an undeniable troll who calls people "autistic" if they like
Bay's movie.
Your headaches will never cease. You will never encounter other
Transfans who don't make you furious, and you will never stop blaming
them for your own fury. You will never be happy, here or on any other
TF forum. That way you feel right now? That's forever.
It has not escaped attention that you're always asking Internet
strangers to make you feel better. "Stop using this argument--IT
MAKES ME MAD!" But you can't find the relief you're looking for no
matter how many caps you type in, can you, Kitty? Everywhere you look
there are those untermenschen who disagree with you and maybe even
like Bay's movie. Bet they even use sarcasm too. SO MAD. SO VERY
VERY MAD. STOP IT! STOP IT! STOP IT!
If you had the capacity to improve your own life, by learning how to
break the chain of emotional triggers that send you into these
scorched-earth freakouts, you would have done it already. You hate it
enough, if you COULD stop you would have. But you haven't, because
you can't. You don't understand human emotions, either those of
normal people or the more limited spectrum available to yourself. You
have learned just enough about your Asperger's to know when to invoke
it after people have condemned you for your cruel, abusive, bizarre,
borderline sociopathic behavior. Learning how to CHANGE that behavior
would do you a world of good and might even earn you a friend or two,
but if you're not there yet I highly doubt you ever will be, and sure
as hell you won't learn it from Internet strangers on a TF forum, no
matter how often and how plaintively you ask (well, imperiously
demand) that they make you feel better and more accepted.
That way you feel right now? That's forever. It's the way you have
felt uninterruptedly for about a year, and what have you done to
change it? What have you tried changing about yourself? Nothing.
Facing nonstop failure, what do you try? More of the same. And where
does it get you? Angrier, if possible.
Since August, I count at least 5 people who have asked you to leave
ATT forever. That's 4 more such requests than I recall having seen in
total in the prior ten years here, and, shit, let's add me to the pile
too, though I think it goes without saying. But I don't think you're
going to leave, because of the same unproductive cluelessness that has
kept you bouncing from one TF forum to another, even though you never
feel better at one than at any other and never ever will.
That way you feel right now? That's forever. As long as you keep
looking for fulfillment and validation in the form of having Internet
strangers make you feel better, THIS IS YOUR LIFE.
Autobus Prime
> Kittie rose you kinda remind me of a ATT-er named Blue-Jackal. Blue-
> Jackal was also from the UK. Blue-jackal hasn't posted here in
> years.
Deathy:
How, exactly? I really don't see any similarities. If Kittie Rose is
Blue
Jackal, then I am TrypticonX.
Cordially yours:
Autobus Prime
w/minicon Farebox.
Monkey monkey monkey!
Zobovor
> Do you REALLY think I'm wrong to have a "Tirade" against these kind of
> people? Do you really think I'm in the wrong to make them out to be
> horrible people? <snip> I finally have the proof that several individuals
>really ARE terrible individuals.
There are *lots* of people in the fandom who generally act poorly
towards other fans. This is just one of the core truths of the
universe that you have to accept. Like I said before, ten percent of
your life is what happens to you, and the other ninety percent is how
you react to it. Sure, you can choose to get up in arms about the
injustices that plague the fandom, but to what end? So you can be
angry about it all the time? (Maybe you're not angry *all* the time,
but my impression of you from your posts here is that your
frustrations with the fandom bother you a great deal of the time.)
>I just don't get why it seemingly would kill some of you to actually
>care about the fact that this fandom is run by some horrible people.
There are horrible people *in* the fandom, yes, but does anyone really
*run* the fandom? I mean, yeah, there are fans running the moderated
boards, but that's not the same thing. I feel like my fan activities
are very much my own choice and completely under my control. Nobody
tells me how to be a fan or what to be a fan of. I write fan fiction
whenever I feel like it and don't feel guilty if I leave stories
unfinished. I update my web site whenever the urge strikes me. Being
a fan is, in short, fun for me. Don't let other people dictate how
you feel.
>Why does everyone turn a blind eye for this? You could change
>something for a lot of people, improve something, if all you did was
>cared for one damn second. Why do you not understand my frustration
>that you don't? What COULD be done and what you all REFUSE to do? The
>fandom wouldn't be beyond saving if people cared to save it.
What, exactly, is it that you're proposing that we all do? Should we
all e-mail the moderators of the boards and demand that the mods
you're having trouble with be removed from power? What do you think
it is that we're refusing to do for you?
>Why should I not point this out? If someone does something wrong; why
>should they not be held accountable? Apathy disgusts me.
You're more than welcome to share your concerns, but a lack of
favorable responses doesn't necessarily suggest apathy. It's possible
some folks just don't agree with you. I realize you're very
frustrated, but my best advice for you is that ultimately, the only
thing you can control is your own actions. You can't expect to change
other people, no matter how strongly you believe that they should be
changed. (Well, unless you've got a Robo Smasher handy, I guess. I
hear those things are hard to come by, though.)
Zob
Suspsy
> Some of you have been getting TERRIBLY annoyed with my hatred of the
> community. If you're sick of it, then fuck off and don't read this,
> but I'd rather you pull the stick of apathy out of your ass(not saying
> this about everyone, in case I get another angry email about Rik
> Bakke, just in general towards a certain group) for once since I have
> some damn hard evidence this time.
Has it ever ONCE occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, the one to
blame for all your online woes is yourself?
Speaking as someone who, over the past decade, has spewed flames with
the worst of them, I can say that your behaviour ranks among the worst
I've ever encountered. You viciously and shamelessly attack people,
then turn around and cry the victim when they naturally and rightly
respond in kind. You represent the worst this fandom has to offer.
With regards to your shameless attempt to use Asperger's as an excuse,
let me tell you that I've worked alongside people with that condition,
and they are always held accountable for their actions. It's not a
"Behave Like A Maniacal Bitch For Free" card, so you might as well
never bring it up again.
The good news is that you have the power to change your attitude. You
have the power to accept that many fans genuinely like the Movie and
don't appreciate you attacking them for it. You have the power to make
amends and be permitted back on the forums you claim to loath, yet
can't seem to shut up about. You have the power to make yourself a
better person.
You can choose that path. Or you can continue to travel the one that
you're on, the one that will lead you to further humiliation and
rejection. Which will it be?
Suspsy
"We are all responsible for our own actions." -Megatron(BM)
Phillip Thorne
>Yeah; but the whole purpose of my posting in that thread was to show
>them up for morons who can't reason.
Ahem. What's that old adage about equines, rivers, and hydration?
>Do you really think I thought I could change their mind?
>Like I said, they're horrendous human beings.
They're horrendous *forum participants*. (Deriving from being
obsessive, cliquish fans.) There's a difference.
It's been pretty definitively shown that people (in general) don't
behave in e-fora as they do in face-to-face conversations. They let
their feelings run unchecked; they don't pause to consider if critical
content (especially emotional) has been lost through poor writing
before reacting to it; they post instantly, in the heat of anger, even
though speed is utterly unnecessary; they feel themselves to be
anonymous, and therefore unhampered by the rules of polite society.
If you can prove that they cheat on their taxes, plot the violent
overthrow of civilian governments, never phone their mothers, and kick
puppies, *then* I would agree that they're "horrendous human beings."
To paraphrase "Mystery Science Theater 3000": "Repeat to yourself /
it's an online chat / I should really just relax."
>I'm not trying to change their mind;
>I want them looked down upon because they deserve it.
Aha. You're vindictive. That way, I can only warn, lies madness.
MADNESS! If TV and cartoons have taught me anything, it's that the
plaintive refrain of the melodramatic villian brought low is "But they
deserved it!"
You're right on the cusp of paranoid melodrama, KR.
>And now I'm posting the result here.
>
>If nobody cares, it was pretty much a waste of time.
>Though it is nice to know I'm right now and again...
Well, see, there's your methodological problem: you're looking for
vindication through email. That doesn't work. Or at least, it works
only so far as you *believe* it works. Counter-participants are under
no obligation to comply with your emotional desire.
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FortMax
subject of various jokes. It is also no excuse to act like you've been
acting. *
Is short, you were banned from sites because you were acting like an
asshole. Even if Aspergers was an excuse, the mods are going to hold
you to the same rules as everyone else. And from what I've seen here
and on Teletraan I, you were the first one to flame. That's why you
were banned.
* I believe that I have full qualifications to make this statement as
I also have Aspergers.
Also, I thought Maximus Prime wasn't a Seibertron admin any more.
Grue
@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> Some of you have been getting TERRIBLY annoyed with my hatred of the
> community. If you're sick of it, then fuck off and don't read this,
> but I'd rather you pull the stick of apathy out of your ass(not saying
> this about everyone, in case I get another angry email about Rik
> Bakke, just in general towards a certain group) for once since I have
> some damn hard evidence this time.
Ah, Kittie. You've got to learn to control yourself. It's not what you
say, it's the way that you say it. Just in that paragraph alone, you're
begging for sympathy by cursing people out...the very people you're
asking for sympathy. Not a good idea.
If you wrote your posts in a clear, concise manner, stated your goals and
objectives, and opinions, then followed all of that up with facts for
support of your theories...people may agree with you or disagree with
you, but it wouldn't start a flame war or get your feelings hurt. Keep in
mind, when you present a theory, it's your responsibility to prove it
with facts and information, not the responsibility of others to disprove
it. You're the one trying to do the convincing, your audience is the ones
needing convincing.
I'll give you an example, in the style of Goofus and Gallant from
Highlights magazine:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
How *not* to post:
The movie sucks major balls. Anyone who says they like it must have rode
the short bus to school because they were fucking retarded or had autism
or something. Any real Transformers fan wouldn't have liked that horrible
pile of stinking runny shit. I'm surprised that kind of runny shit could
even stick to the film it's on. The people who claim to like this movie
who still say they are real Transformers fans should be tied up and have
their Transformers set on fire while they watch, then have all that
molten plastic poured into their eyes since they don't know what a good
movie is anyways.
How *to* post:
I really didn't enjoy the movie as much as I had hoped. For me, the lack
of characterization was probably the biggest flaw. I had always enjoyed
Transformers for the unique character traits that each one of the 'bots
displayed, and for me, there just wasn't enough development in that area,
especially for the Decepticons, whom I've always found to have the most
interesting character traits.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
In the "NOT" post, everyone else is the external target to you, and if
they do not agree with you, there must be something wrong with them.
That's going to insult and offend pretty much everyone who reads it. Even
people who may agree with you won't post a reply because they don't want
to be associated with you. The only responses you're going to get are
defensive flames.
In the "To" post, you accept your opinions as yours and yours alone, and
give reasons for your conclusions. In this example, discussion is
encouraged, as even people who *did* like the movie may express that it
did have a lack of character development, but that it didn't take away
from their enjoyment of the film, and other people who also felt the same
way as you would reply offering their agreement and support of your post
and your opinions.
See, if you wrote like example 2, everyone would reply to your posts in
an amicable fashion, and most people would probably even agree with you,
to some degree or extent, provided your theory and argument are based on
sound reasoning.
Remember, it's not what you say, it's the way that you say it. If it
helps, pretend like you're typing a letter or e-mail to your church
pastor, your mother, your grandmother, or somebody you respect and
admire. If you find yourself typing something you wouldn't ay to them,
then you shouldn't be typing at all. This thing you're writing is for
mass consumption, so you'd be best served by making it as appealing as
possible to as many people as possible.
Kittie Rose
> On Sep 26, 2:20 pm, Kittie Rose <wetfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Dude, you're the guy who called me "Unamerican". I'm not going to take
anything you say seriously.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
If they don't agree with me - then that's worse than apathy. I can't
see any reasonable defense for the amount of bullying in that thread -
and the amount of bullying in other forums towards others who aren't
fond of the movie/animated/beast machines/Hasbro or whatever.
All you really have to do is raise an objection wherever it happens.
I know some of you still go to the other forums.
It's not that difficult.
The only reason I'm banned from places, apart from my incredible
aspergers, is because I'm very often the only one doing what I do at
any one time. Several people with the same views expressing them in
several different ways makes it look like there's a bigger front.
It's not hard. All you have to do, when you see bullying, is say "No.
That's wrong".
It's called taking a moral stance on something. Even if your post ends
up getting deleted by some corrupt assjacket, at least you tried.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
> On Sep 26, 2:20 pm, Kittie Rose <wetfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Some of you have been getting TERRIBLY annoyed with my hatred of the
> > community. If you're sick of it, then fuck off and don't read this,
> > but I'd rather you pull the stick of apathy out of your ass(not saying
> > this about everyone, in case I get another angry email about Rik
> > Bakke, just in general towards a certain group) for once since I have
> > some damn hard evidence this time.
>
> Has it ever ONCE occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, the one to
> blame for all your online woes is yourself?
Did you even READ the fucking thread I linked to? The people that have
been causing my woes are a crowd of bigots and bullies and general
anti-intellectual fuck-ups.
Why should I presume I'm the one who's wrong?
> "We are all responsible for our own actions." -Megatron(BM)
Yes; because quoting a cartoon is more meaningful than psychology.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
Fortmax, if you knew anything about the Aspergers you claim to have -
you wouldn't be saying this. Either way, how . I can't believe you had
the nerve to make me look like
Aspergers is not a defense for YOUR behaviour. You are cruel, abusive,
for no just cause.
On the other hand:
http://www.brookdalecare.co.uk/www/asdinfo.php?mm=5&sm=16
* Repetitive and ritualistic activities
* Inflexible routines
* Resistance to change
* Poor ability to manage anger and frustration
* Severe anxiety
* Anti-social behaviour
* Finding appropriate help and understanding
* Frustration at own difficulties in explaining to others why certain
situations create insoluble problems
* Inflexibility in application of social rules, particularly where
these apply to themselves (I don't know how to make it any clearer
that, "Aspergers means following rules is difficult)
* Wanting to change but being unable to do so
* Difficulty in coping with social demands and situations
* Inability to be tactful - telling the literal truth all the time can
make someone very unpopular
* Being very vulnerable to teasing by those who take advantage of
their 'oddness' or literal interpretation of language and rules
Please tell me how these do not describe my behaviour? I don't see
"Control freak mod", listed there, however, you don't do what you do
out of anxiety - but an amoral smugness.
You and your board a complete fucking joke. If you really cared about
"Disruptive behaviour" there wouldn't be countless topics of hater
bashing. You ONLY payed attention to me after I challenged you
directly, and even then all I did was say the movie wasn't aimed at
your 7 year old daughter. That was laughably stupid and why you remain
the epitome of "Trigger Happy mod" in my eyes. You are not Judge
Dredd. You are not even qualified for what you do. You are TERRIBLE at
doing it.
You think that it's okay to ban someone "because you don't like
someone" on one forum and it doesn't affect on the integrity of your
modship on another forum? You think it's okay to treat someone
unfairly just because you in part "Own" the forum?
Your claim to have Aspergers now is incredibly convenient - you seem
to know nothing about the disorder. Whether you do have it or not,
you're still nowhere near knowledgable enough to make those claims and
it's blatant.
You're just another anti-intellectual moron who likes to think people
are always responsible for how they say everything so the hard-on you
get when banning people feels more justified.
If this Fandom had any real integrity, you wouldn't be a mod.
~ KR
Kittie Rose
> Kittie Rose <wetfl...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1190830841.754836.290640
I understand what you're saying and thanks for genuinely trying to
help instead of insulting.
The problem is that I find it very difficult to express myself like
that. I get extremely angry and I get a pushing feeling that doesn't
go away until I let it out. I really genuinely can't help it.
I don't think I'm wrong to be aggressive though - I think the problem
isn't just that I'm too aggressive, but others aren't aggressive
towards the right cause. Or maybe I mean "assertive".
Either way, whatever way I post, it's pretty obvious why I'm so angry
if you look at that thread.
I wonder if they're talking about me on that forum again because
"Fair's fair, she's insulting us..." only difference is they're
insulting me ultimately based on my forum issues, not because I'm a
godawful person who picks on a socially disabled person...
~ KR
Kittie Rose
> Aha. You're vindictive. That way, I can only warn, lies madness.
> MADNESS! If TV and cartoons have taught me anything, it's that the
> plaintive refrain of the melodramatic villian brought low is "But they
> deserved it!"
>
who do bad things SHOULD be looked down upon. Bullies and abusive
powers should be looked down upon.
I don't see what's so Villainous about this. It's just calling it
like it is.
Kittie Rose
damn stupid argument...
I apologise to FortMax for that. However, I don't apologise for
calling his argument a complete load of shit as it IS the exact same
as what Maximus Prime said, and he still has no idea about the
spectrum of Aspergers.
People generally do have reasons for the way they act. Just sometimes,
they're not very pleasant.
~ KR
Suspsy
> On Sep 27, 3:53 am, Suspsy <susp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 26, 2:20 pm, Kittie Rose <wetfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Has it ever ONCE occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, the one to
> > blame for all your online woes is yourself?
>
> Did you even READ the fucking thread I linked to? The people that have
> been causing my woes are a crowd of bigots and bullies and general
> anti-intellectual fuck-ups.
And so you thus concluded that all the people at Allspark, 2005, and
Seibertron are bigots and bullies as well, because they had the
audacity to like the TFs movie, because they refused to give in to
your furious demands that they embrace your POV and yours only, and
because they booted you out on account of your pitiful behaviour.
If it's bigotry and bullying you're seeking to expose, girl, you need
look no further than in a mirror.
> Why should I presume I'm the one who's wrong?
Putting aside the fact that you've been kicked off all the major TF
forums for starting flame wars, and the fact you've been starting
flame wars here on ATT from the moment you arrived, and the fact that
EVERY SINGLE FIGHT YOU'VE STARTED HAS ENDED UP WITH YOU LOSING BADLY?
No reason whatsoever!
> > "We are all responsible for our own actions." -Megatron(BM)
>
> Yes; because quoting a cartoon is more meaningful than psychology.
Psychology? What psychology? Certainly not from you.
Suspsy
"Ah me, such entertainment, yesssssssssssssss." -Megatron(BW)
Onslaught Six
> I understand what you're saying and thanks for genuinely trying to
> help instead of insulting.
>
> The problem is that I find it very difficult to express myself like
> that. I get extremely angry and I get a pushing feeling that doesn't
> go away until I let it out. I really genuinely can't help it.
>
> I don't think I'm wrong to be aggressive though - I think the problem
> isn't just that I'm too aggressive, but others aren't aggressive
> towards the right cause. Or maybe I mean "assertive".
>
> Either way, whatever way I post, it's pretty obvious why I'm so angry
> if you look at that thread.
>
> I wonder if they're talking about me on that forum again because
> "Fair's fair, she's insulting us..." only difference is they're
> insulting me ultimately based on my forum issues, not because I'm a
> godawful person who picks on a socially disabled person...
I'm having difficulty finding the exact post I want to respond to,
here. But I'm mostly just going to reiterate the same thing I've said
a thousand times.
Yes, maybe I'm apathetic--but I just do not see the point in getting
all riled up because some other people are being assholes on another
forum. I don't go to those forums for that very reason, in fact--
because they are generally populated by assholes.
Now, your whole thing there is that you want us all to look down upon
these people for the grave injustices they've caused against you.
There's two ways someone can go about this--they can be 'legit'
apathetic and just not care that these guys are being assholes, or
they can be like I am, and go "Well, yeah, they are, but there's
really nothing that can be done about it."
Now, sure. Maybe if I sat there and posted some stuff and got some
guys together and *really* wanted to put some time and effort into
this, I could force a change in some of these major forums. *Maybe.*
And it could be my own selfishness or something, but I'd much rather
sit here and work on my schoolwork or improving my guitar skills than
trying to overthrow the oppressive government of an Internet forum.
Yeah, these guys are being assholes. That's why I don't go to their
place, and why I'm not trying to change the way things are, because it
doesn't directly affect me and--perhaps more importantly--there are
many, many more assholes in the world than there are rational,
intelligent people, and as far as I know, that's not going to change.
We all have to deal with our share of unsavoury people--that's 'life.'
Now, you can get all riled up about it, or you can just go "Hey. Fuck
you." And that's the end of it.
Thylacine 2000
> On Sep 26, 10:42 pm, Thylacine 2000 <thytwot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 26, 2:20 pm, Kittie Rose <wetfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dude, you're the guy who called me "Unamerican".
Googlesearch says you're lying. Shocker.
What I said was that you are a *bigot*, who hates Americans for being
Americans, and who uses the very word "Americans" (or synonyms such as
"yanks") as slurs. And I stand by that. You should thank me for
pointing it out, honestly, since your bigotry is one of your LESS
extreme personality flaws.
Gustavo Wombat
I've left you as alone as I could, partly in hopes that you would just
calm down, and partly because I find you tiresome. But, I have a
moderately long process running right now, so why not?
> If they don't agree with me - then that's worse than apathy.
Wow. That's all I can say.
Wow.
Let me repeat that, just for emphasis. WOW.
> I can't
> see any reasonable defense for the amount of bullying in that thread -
> and the amount of bullying in other forums towards others who aren't
> fond of the movie/animated/beast machines/Hasbro or whatever.
I don't see that bullying towards people who like/dislike X, I see
people who have encountered you, found the experience unpleasant, and
now are filled with animosity towards you.
Actions have consequences. You piss people off, and then you get upset
when they are pissed off at you. What did you think would happen?
> The only reason I'm banned from places, apart from my incredible
> aspergers, is because I'm very often the only one doing what I do at
> any one time.
Your medical condition is not an excuse for your behavior. It might be
an explanation, but it is not an excuse.
Let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that your vicious,
vindictive, nasty egotistical personality is caused entirely by a
medical condition and that you have absolutely no control over it (a
claim that I would have trouble accepting, but let's just pretend).
If it is so severe that you cannot interact with other people at all,
then you really cannot blame the other people. Everyone else is not
obligated to put up with your behavior, whether it is caused by a
medical condition or not.
I have a bad knee, this does not mean that I can force other people to
play sports with me and let me drag down their team if I cannot keep
up. It means I have to find a team at my level. That's just life -- it
isn't always fair.
And you, unable to function with people socially, need to find a place
where people do function at your social level, or slow down enough
that your worst impulses can be kept in check.
I know a fair number of people who have been diagnosed with Asperger's
to one degree or another. And, yes, some of them are prone to odd
behavior and anger control issues, but they recognize that this is a
problem rather than wearing it as a badge of honor. When they piss
people off, they know it, and they later apologize -- they might not
be able to control their behavior at moment, but they can see how
their actions affect others, and understand that there are
consequences.
You don't do this. You claim that civility doesn't matter -- and
perhaps to you it doesn't (you filthy fucking cunt), but it does to
others. If you want to interact with others, you need to learn that
others value civility, and at least try.
(Did the phrase "filthy fucking cunt" leap out at you? Well, then
perhaps civility does matter to you after all)
--Gustavo
necrotron
"Kittie Rose" <wetf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1190830841.7...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Guess what Kit?
Here on ATT we don't give one flying fuck about the other boards. We judge
and are judged by our actions (postings), and responded to or ignored
accordingly.
If you are having a problem with these *other* boards, maybe it's time to
take a step or two back and relax a bit. Take a break from those boards.
Here, my dear, anything posted by you can be easily ignored by most
newsreaders with a simple setting change. So when I see a post subject that
starts with re: (which means I have the original poster on ignore and never
see the start of the thread) I know it's either one of Deathy's many alts
(or you at this point) and I can freely ignore it :)
So quit your pointless bitching. Life is not fair, and is full of chodes.
Once you prove to be an easy mark, people will deliberately goad you into a
heated response. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, this is a possibility
here? Did it occour to you that you brought this on yourself by previous
actions?
People are *not* going to forget the past. They are not going to forget
that you seem to be a raving nutcase with the occasional valid point clouded
in invective and insult. They are not going to treat each and every post
from you as a seperate entity in and of itself.
Now, they may be willing to *forgive* if you have a 180 degree attitude
change, and stop the goofy ranting. Much like Deathy has been somewhat
rehabilitated over time, it may be possible for you to gain a measure of
redemption over time. However, if you don't seem to care, realize that
here... you won't be banned, ever. You'll just be ignored by everyone not
using googlegroups.
Your opinions, however misguided some may be, are no greater or lesser than
anyone elses, regardless of what the groupthinkers believe. However, they
are not more or less stupid for holding them. In many cases they have
really good reasons for holding them... mostly based in fact. You clearly
don't let ignorance stand in the way of your having an opinion, and you may
find that on an arguable point you will have considerable opposition. This
is discussion. Some will disagree, maybe everyone will disagree. That is
why I wouldn't argue with you about toy distribution, I just told you to do
a bit more research. Your position was indefensible beyond your 'opinion'
and you wanted to fight about it so I withdrew to allow you to arm yourself
with some facts instead of feelings.
There was a time in the past when I was railed against as being ignorant,
and that my opinions didn't matter. That my speculation of what would
occour and how it may have come about were insane, and I was a jerk and a
"hater" for pointing it out. That I was a big meanie for insulting those
who insulted me. Oh well. I can live with it just as much as those who
live with being on what turned out to be the wrong side in the end. Eh,
life goes on.
As to your views of how good or poor the movie was, and how good or poor Bay
as a director is, I largely agree. Transformers the Movie is a marginal and
shiny film with a few good points, and which could've been much worse. Bay
is a hack who makes big money on marginally-written large-explosion-laden
summer blockbusters which is how he gets continuing work. Now what? You
can rant and rave about it to no end... but that is not going to change
anything or anyone else's mind. An opinion post on the internet changes
nothing, ultimately. People who disagree... they are just going to
disagree.
How about you leave it at that for a change?
Joe
Necrotron
Equal Opportunity Hater :)
Zobovor
> The only reason I'm banned from places, apart from my incredible
> aspergers, is because I'm very often the only one doing what I do at
> any one time.
I suspect the manner in which you convey your ideas is every bit as
important, if not more important, than the actual ideas themselves. I
really don't know enough about Asperger's syndrome to know whether
this is something you can control with medication or whether it's just
something you're stuck with, but people are still going to hold you
responsible for your own words. Explaining that you suffer from a
form of autism may help some people understand you, but it's equally
possible that people will believe you're using it as an excuse and
giving yourself permission to act freely without consequence.
> It's not hard. All you have to do, when you see bullying, is say "No.
> That's wrong". It's called taking a moral stance on something.
Let me offer some perspective here. I wasn't aware of your existence
until you started bombarding ATT with your numerous complaints about
the Transformers wiki and about the Wiigii folks and about the
assorted message boards from which you've been banned. I don't really
know you well enough to like or dislike you, but since I only hang out
on ATT, I see Kitty Rose as someone who's constantly angry at the
fandom and is always complaining about something. (Maybe that's not a
fair representation of who you really are, but it's the impression of
you that I've formed.)
My point is that perhaps you can see why people aren't exactly rushing
to champion your cause. You haven't given anyone any real reason to
want to do so. All you've really said, in a nutshell, is: "There are
other fans on other message boards who are upsetting me! Go get 'em,
guys!" (No offense, as Túrin used to say.)
Zob
FortMax
You seem to have mistaken me for someone else. I mostly visit here,
the Allspark, and Teletraan I, and occasionly post at other boards,
and I go by "FortMax" at every Transformers site I have an account at,
and usually have Thunder Clash's boxart as my av.
Look, I know what you were banned for at Teletraan I because I was
there when that happened and could look at the edit history to see
what you had posted, and you've been acting the same here. It doesn't
take a large leap of logic to claim that the exact same behavior got
you banned from Seibertron and The Tavern Table.
FortMax, who wiches he'd be mistaken for a mod more often
Victoryleo
Yeah because a moderator is the TF fan boy equivelant of a GOD or
having a bigger penis.
Thunder Magnificent!
> Yeah because a moderator is the TF fan boy equivelant of a GOD or
> having a bigger penis.
Only if somebody's a total loser in the first place...
t.k.
Kittie Rose
> On Sep 27, 10:49 am, Kittie Rose <wetfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 27, 3:53 am, Suspsy <susp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 26, 2:20 pm, Kittie Rose <wetfl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Has it ever ONCE occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, the one to
> > > blame for all your online woes is yourself?
>
> > Did you even READ the fucking thread I linked to? The people that have
> > been causing my woes are a crowd of bigots and bullies and general
> > anti-intellectual fuck-ups.
>
> And so you thus concluded that all the people at Allspark, 2005, and
> Seibertron are bigots and bullies as well, because they had the
> audacity to like the TFs movie, because they refused to give in to
> your furious demands that they embrace your POV and yours only, and
> because they booted you out on account of your pitiful behaviour.
This just proves me right. That's such a ridiculous strawman of the
situation. I'm pretty sure even in this thread, for the 23rd time,
I've clarified that it's nothing to do with liking the movie but
bullying others into liking it and being apathetic towards stopping
this.
It is the typical tactic of anassjacket to constantly spew out how
their opposition is intolerant of opposing viewpoints without any
evidence to back it up, even after it has been completely
disambiguated several times exactly what that person is opposing.
Conclusion; you are an assjacket.
You are using a strawman. You have to learn that it's WRONG to base an
argument on a logical fallacy. Reducing someone's argument to
propoganda-ish sounding filth is not a good tactic.
Why should I listen to a damn thing you have to say if you have to
twist, oversimplify and demonise my side of things just to make an
argument?
If you care so much about "pitiful behaviour", why does that in the
thread I linked to not bother you.
Or do you just not care if it's directed towards someone you don't
like?
>
> If it's bigotry and bullying you're seeking to expose, girl, you need
> look no further than in a mirror.
How am I bigoted? Who am I bullying?
Maybe your Strawman Earth-2 version of me.
Not to mention how much I hate over-used trites like OMIGOSH WHY DON'T
YOU JUST LOOK IN A MIRROR.
But I can say the exact same thing to you back, again! It goes on
forever. It's meaningless without a very specific context.
>
> > Why should I presume I'm the one who's wrong?
>
> Putting aside the fact that you've been kicked off all the major TF
> forums for starting flame wars,
Uh, most of whom are run by shitheads like the ones in the thread I
linked to.
I fail to see your point.
> and the fact you've been starting
> flame wars here on ATT from the moment you arrived,
There has been a context and reason for every single one of these
flame wars. A controversial person with controversial arguments will
inevitably start a flame war. If you don't like it, keep out of the
flame war.
The fact that you don't even make note of this fact, make no attempt
to even recognise that "starting a flamewar" isn't a serious crime
since it's often the fault of the people discriminating against an
unpopular viewpoint, shows that you are indeed one of those people,
discriminating against an unpopular viewpoint.
> and the fact that
> EVERY SINGLE FIGHT YOU'VE STARTED HAS ENDED UP WITH YOU LOSING BADLY?
> No reason whatsoever!
>
> > > "We are all responsible for our own actions." -Megatron(BM)
>
> > Yes; because quoting a cartoon is more meaningful than psychology.
>
> Psychology? What psychology? Certainly not from you.
Oh yeah, that's totally convincing.
A ridiculous amount of psychology, if not all in a sense, is dedicated
to the fact that people, indeed, are very often not responsible for
their actions.
Whatever you say to that, it's still a recognised science and holds
more weight than a quote from a VILLAIN in a CARTOON.
Does that suddenly become invalid just because someone you don't like
said it?
You really are a fuckuts.
>
> Suspsy
>
> "Ah me, such entertainment, yesssssssssssssss." -Megatron(BW)
Honestly; the fact that you attack me and not the people who, even if
you don't like my behaviour, are ten times worse in terms of anything
I could manage and most of whom don't suffer from a ravaging social
disorder as I do, just shows you up for being utterly and entirely
full of shit.
You have no interest in what's right, or wrong, only defending the
principles indoctrinated into you by the very people I'm bitching
about.
~ KR
Onslaught Six
> This just proves me right. That's such a ridiculous strawman of the
> situation. I'm pretty sure even in this thread, for the 23rd time,
> I've clarified that it's nothing to do with liking the movie but
> bullying others into liking it and being apathetic towards stopping
> this.
In 1996, Hasbro revamped the entire Transformers franchise with a
little thing called Beast Wars.
The fans hated it.
And then some of them watched it. And it was Good. So they started to
argue with the people who hated it.
Eventually, the BW fans won.
Unfortunately, that led to BW being hailed as the Greatest Thing Ever,
and when the fans of *it* got alienated by BM, we get constant
attempts to undermine that (So Cryotek and the
Quintessons...programmed the Oracle to tell Primal to reformat the
planet. Yes.) or erase it entirely (which I'm pretty sure what the IDW
BW comics are headed towards).
I mean, shit, we finally got a BW comic, and what do they do? Royally
shoehorn it onto prehistoric Earth *again* just for the sake of the BW
guys making a few fucking cameos.
But that's all the result of a bunch of fans who liked BW bullying
other fans who hated BW around the fandom.
The fans who didn't like BW and wanted to form their *own* group to
talk about old TFs eventually left and formed
alt.toys.transformers.classic.moderated (ATTCM.) And then it
eventually died. I suspect that's because most of the more vocal anti-
BW people grew up and moved on, or because vehicle TFs and G1 in
general fell bak into favour with the general fandom and with Hasbro.
But this kinda thing's been going on for over a decade. You accept
that some people are pushy assholes, and you try to avoid them if at
all possible.
David Willis
> and when the fans of *it* got alienated by BM, we get constant
> attempts to undermine that (So Cryotek and the
> Quintessons...programmed the Oracle to tell Primal to reformat the
> planet. Yes.) or erase it entirely (which I'm pretty sure what the IDW
> BW comics are headed towards).
That's not exactly true. The true Vector Sigma was, on occasion, able to
break through the Oracle shell program and do Actual Real Things. This is
how Primal Prime got his marching orders, and how, since the Quints seemed
unaware of the planet's "technorganic makeover), Primal's orders seem
genuine as well.
--David
www.shortpacked.com
Onslaught Six
> That's not exactly true. The true Vector Sigma was, on occasion, able to
> break through the Oracle shell program and do Actual Real Things. This is
> how Primal Prime got his marching orders, and how, since the Quints seemed
> unaware of the planet's "technorganic makeover), Primal's orders seem
> genuine as well.
Whatever. Wreckers sucks.
Joe Bryant
> go away until I let it out. I really genuinely can't help it.
A serious suggestion - write your ranty angry insulty post, let it all
out, read it a few times, breathe deeply, and then DELETE it, and
write a calmer, non-aggressive post that makes the same points, but in
a more socially-acceptable way.
This is what I sometimes do when people at work send me stupid
questions :-) I don't usually set OUT to do that, mind, but if I've
typed something stroppy then there's usually a moment or two before I
hit "send" where I have time to think "Hmm, possibly I should rephrase
that." It still feels good to let it all out, but you don't have to
share it with the world.
--
Joe
Suspsy
> This just proves me right. That's such a ridiculous strawman of the
> situation. I'm pretty sure even in this thread, for the 23rd time,
> I've clarified that it's nothing to do with liking the movie but
> bullying others into liking it and being apathetic towards stopping
> this.
Wow, the words are written in English, yet they utterly misrepresent
the situation. Tell me, is barefaced lying another side effect of your
"Aspergers"?
> If you care so much about "pitiful behaviour", why does that in the
> thread I linked to not bother you.
Oh, I read it. Unfortunately, citing examples of bad behaviour on
forums nobody's ever heard of, let alone gives two shits about, does
not in any way negate your bad behaviour in this fandom.
> > If it's bigotry and bullying you're seeking to expose, girl, you need
> > look no further than in a mirror.
>
> How am I bigoted? Who am I bullying?
For starters? People who like the movie, people who disagree with you,
people who aren't leaping to your immediate and blind defense, and
Americans. Google doesn't lie, my dear.
> Not to mention how much I hate over-used trites like OMIGOSH WHY DON'T
> YOU JUST LOOK IN A MIRROR.
Life just hates you, eh?
> The fact that you don't even make note of this fact, make no attempt
> to even recognise that "starting a flamewar" isn't a serious crime
> since it's often the fault of the people discriminating against an
> unpopular viewpoint
It's often the fault of the original poster making ill-informed,
unfair, and flat-out offensive comments.
> Honestly; the fact that you attack me and not the people who, even if
> you don't like my behaviour, are ten times worse in terms of anything
> I could manage and most of whom don't suffer from a ravaging social
> disorder as I do, just shows you up for being utterly and entirely
> full of shit.
Oh, piss off with that Aspergers crap already. If you're lying about
it, then you're an even more disgusting creature than you've lead
people to believe. And if you're telling the truth, you're a weakling
who uses her condition as an excuse for lousy behaviour.
Suspsy
"An engine is only as powerful as the fuel that runs it." -Greasepit