The Binaltech story so far

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Nevermore

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Dec 5, 2004, 1:36:20 PM12/5/04
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So, I've read translations of all the Binaltech story chapters and the
characters' bios (BTW, Doug, can it be you never translated Lambor's
profile? It's still missing from Ben's review), but there's still some
points that are either unclear to me or led to confusion among other
fans.

Here's the points that confused some people:

1) Is the Binaltech story supposed to be
a) The continuation of G1 season 2 and the prequel for TF:TM or
b) A continuation of pre-movie G1, with some post-movie elements
(Autobot City, the EDC), but will not necessarily result in the events
of TF:TM? Some people said Meister receiving a new body would rule out
his appearance in the movie, but according to his bio, his old body is
still intact (he's said to be one of the few bots not having been
affected by the Cosmic Rust).

2) Did Megatron launch his all-out war on Cybertron before or after
the Autobots on Earth were affected by the Cosmic Rust? I.e. were the
Autobots on Earth already low in numbers in the first place because
most of them had returned to Cybertron in order to fight Megatron, or
was the Cosmic Rust plague intended to prevent the Autobots from
returning to Cybertron? Therefore, were only a small number of
Autobots (those who remained on Earth) affected by the Cosmic Rust, or
were the Autobots' troops severely decimated?

3) Were the "damaged Decepticons" who received their own Binaltech
upgrade victims of the unpredictable Cosmic Rust as well, as some fans
speculated, or did the rebuilt Binaltech Autobots take them down when
they started to to fight back?

4) Does the GT system mean all four Smokescreen units are
independently acting individuals now, or is it one "real" Smokescreen
remote-controlling the others, ą la Optimus Prime's Combat Deck and
Roller?

If anyone knows more, be it because he has a better comprehension of
the translated texts or because he knows more about the story in the
first place - any help is appreciated. :-)

Keep in mind I'm *not* asking for spoilers about future story pieces
but *only* for clarifications on the chapters that are already out.

--
The ultimate Binaltech/Alternators resource page
http://www.binalternators.de/

Doug Dlin

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Dec 5, 2004, 2:57:33 PM12/5/04
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On Dec. 5, 2004, Nevermore wrote:

> So, I've read translations of all the Binaltech story chapters and the
> characters' bios (BTW, Doug, can it be you never translated Lambor's
> profile? It's still missing from Ben's review)

I'm sure I translated it; I'm not sure why it's not on the page. Ben's
been rather busy in RL lately, but I'll ask him about it.

> but there's still some points that are either unclear to me or led to
> confusion among other fans.

I can answer these to some extent, but I'll caution that the answers may
change pending input from Ichikawa-san.

> 1) Is the Binaltech story supposed to be
> a) The continuation of G1 season 2 and the prequel for TF:TM or
> b) A continuation of pre-movie G1, with some post-movie elements
> (Autobot City, the EDC), but will not necessarily result in the events
> of TF:TM?

My deduction is that it's closer to B, but I'll see if Ichikawa-san has
anything to add.

> 2) Did Megatron launch his all-out war on Cybertron before or after
> the Autobots on Earth were affected by the Cosmic Rust? I.e. were the
> Autobots on Earth already low in numbers in the first place because
> most of them had returned to Cybertron in order to fight Megatron, or
> was the Cosmic Rust plague intended to prevent the Autobots from
> returning to Cybertron? Therefore, were only a small number of
> Autobots (those who remained on Earth) affected by the Cosmic Rust, or
> were the Autobots' troops severely decimated?

Going by the first chapter of the BT story, a good portion of Autobot
forces had recently left to combat Megatron, but enough were left behind
that Earth should still have been well defended--until Swindle unleashed
his retailored version of Cosmic Rust on them. So a lot of Autobots
were off fighting on Cybertron, but there were still a lot left on Earth
who were affected by Cosmic Rust.

> 3) Were the "damaged Decepticons" who received their own Binaltech
> upgrade victims of the unpredictable Cosmic Rust as well, as some fans
> speculated, or did the rebuilt Binaltech Autobots take them down when
> they started to to fight back?

It seems fairly clear to me from Swindle's bio that the "damaged
Decepticons" were wounded in battles with the BT Autobots and EDC. They
were not victims of the Cosmic Rust weapon.

> 4) Does the GT system mean all four Smokescreen units are
> independently acting individuals now, or is it one "real" Smokescreen
> remote-controlling the others, ą la Optimus Prime's Combat Deck and
> Roller?

They're four copies of Smokescreen's personality, but all given life by
his single "soul." Effectively, they're all him, all alive and acting
independently. Their shared laser core is simply not stored within
their bodies.

Doug Dlin
apcog at hotmail.com

Doug Dlin

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Dec 18, 2004, 6:05:19 PM12/18/04
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Okay, just got a response from Ichikawa-san on this subject, so I can
post a detailed follow-up.

On Dec. 5, 2004, Nevermore wrote:

> 1) Is the Binaltech story supposed to be
> a) The continuation of G1 season 2 and the prequel for TF:TM or
> b) A continuation of pre-movie G1, with some post-movie elements
> (Autobot City, the EDC), but will not necessarily result in the events
> of TF:TM? Some people said Meister receiving a new body would rule out
> his appearance in the movie, but according to his bio, his old body is
> still intact (he's said to be one of the few bots not having been
> affected by the Cosmic Rust).

I thought it was B, but it turns out to be A. Ichikawa-san doesn't mind
if some fans consider the BT story to be an alternate universe.
However, he feels there's an overproduction of parallel worlds thanks to
the changes in mood and convenience of several other TF toy lines (like
the Micromasters), and he didn't want to be blithely supporting that trend.

So when he took on the job of writing the BT fiction, he firmly resolved
that the backstory would fit into the events of the G1 cartoon, even if
it couldn't essentially be the same world.

He knew from the beginning that this would be extremely difficult, if
not impossible, but he intended to find a solution somehow. The
progress of the story may produce a number of twists, but he is writing
the BT story with the ultimate goal that it will merge in with the
events of TF:TM. (Of course, he's still going to mix in other,
additional elements, "outsiders" like Count von Raini and such, so long
as they don't contradict those events.)

The difficulty of this task will doubtless be heavily influenced by the
choice of future BT/Alt characters, he says. His own current ideas
haven't been planned any further ahead than 2 or 3 characters past
what's currently on sale.

It looks like I was more attentive otherwise; he confirmed my answers
for questions 2-4.

Doug Dlin

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Dec 18, 2004, 6:47:29 PM12/18/04
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On Dec. 18, 2004, I wrote:

> However, he feels there's an overproduction of parallel worlds thanks to
> the changes in mood and convenience of several other TF toy lines
(like the
> Micromasters), and he didn't want to be blithely supporting that trend.

Slight correction/clarification here, owing to a bit of misunderstood
phrasing:

He feels that producers and authors of the TF fiction tend to use new TF
toy lines to overproduce parallel worlds because taking that approach is
convenient and/or it refreshes their mood in the project. For instance,
he finds the continuity between MICRON LEGEND and SUPERLINK to be rather
vague and believes it's because animation production staff decided just
to refresh their spirits by writing at least somewhat as if it were a
parallel universe. He's quite sorry to see such an unenthusiastic
attitude become so apparent.

Nevermore

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Dec 18, 2004, 6:41:00 PM12/18/04
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WARNING: Long post. Any corrections would be highly appreciated.

Note: This is meant as a more streamlined summary of the BT story with
only the things that are important for the story progress and/or are
meant as G1 nods.
Story summarized in chronolocial order, not in the order the various
pieces of information were published inside the respective story
chapters and character bios.
In cases of doubt, spelling of names taken from the Cartoon Bible
(http://transformers.winterchill.com/bible/bible.html) where available.
According to the author, Hirofumi Ichikawa, the BT story IS supposed to
fit in between Scramble City and TF:TM (aka Matrix Forever). That might
still change depending on the choice of future characters, but up to
this point, Ichikawa-san is trying to make everything fit in before the
movie and refrains from doing any drastic changes that can't be undone
later on (i.e. after the end of the "Binaltech" saga, whenever that's
going to happen).

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In the year 2003, over a decade after the end of season 2 of the G1
cartoon, humans and Autobots have formed an alliance. The Earth Defense
Command (EDC, from G1 season 3) has been formed, construction of
Autobot City ("Cybertron City" in Japan; first seen in TF:TM) has
begun, humans are about to make their first steps into outer space,
starting with a colony on the moon (the Lunar Colony was originally
mentioned in the G1 season 3 episode "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2";
in the original script of that episode, there was a line that was cut
from the final episode which established the colony as having existed
since 1997).

Meanwhile, Megatron had launched an all-out war on Cybertron, and many
Autobot warriors had left the Earth in order to prevent him from taking
over their home planet. However, some Autobots, led by Ultra Magnus,
decided to stay back on Earth in order to protect the planet and
Autobot City.

All of a sudden, the Combaticon Swindle unleashed a modified version of
the Cosmic Rust (from the G1 season 2 episode "Cosmic Rust") on the
Autobots. While a few of them, including Jazz (Meister) and Ultra
Magnus, were spared from the effects of the virus, most of the
Earth-bound Autobots, among them Smokescreen, Hound, Tracks, Sideswipe
(Lambor/Side Swipe), Bluestreak (Streak/Silverstreak), Sunstreaker and
Trailbreaker, were damaged beyond repair.

In order to counter the new Decepticon threat, the EDC launched an
emergency plan and initiated the long-planned project "Binaltech".
Supervised by the Autobots' mother computer Teletraan-1 (from G1 season
1 and 2), car manufacturers and research facilities around the world
started to build new bodies for the fallen Autobot warriors that
combined the latest of Earth's and Cybertron's technologies. The
Autobots' primary power sources are electro-cells (originally
introduced in the G1 season 2 episode "Traitor").

The first Autobot to be rebuilt in a new Binaltech body was Bluestreak,
but due to some problems with an unstable personality, the EDC
Inspection Bureau had him undergo a variety of tests until they gave
him clearance to return to active duty. Next up were: Smokescreen, in a
new body built by Fuji Heavy Industries, Inc. and STi (Subaru Tecnica
International); Sideswipe, in a new body built by the Daimler-Chrysler
Corporation's PVO-Team (Performance Vehicle Operations), whose main
operating computer is a "TORQ 3000" quantum processor developed by
Quantum Laboratories (Quantum Laboratories are from the G1 season 2
episode "Day of the Machines", where they created the computer TORQ
III); Hound, who totally loves his new body built by Daimler-Chrysler
and Hybrid Technologies Corporation ("High Technology Corporation" in
Japan; Astoria's company from the G1 season episode "The Girl Who Loved
Powerglide") and views it as the first step towards his goal of
becoming human himself one day; and Tracks, in a new body built by
General Motors and DuPont (GM's parent company), which now provides him
with the ability to change his body color from yellow to blue.

The newly rebuilt Binaltech Autobots were able to repel the Decepticon
attack, severely damage some of them and eventually drive them off the
planet. In the meantime, however, an evil underground organization,
calling itself the "Concurrence", was formed. Led by Count von Rani
(aka Iron Klaw from "G.I. Joe Extreme") and General Garrison Krieger
(aka General Blitz from "Sgt. Savage and his Screaming Eagles") and
financially backed up by Lord Chumley (from the G1 season 2 episode
"Prime Target") and Shawn Berger Jr. (from the G1 season 2 two-parter
"Megatron's Master Plan"), they sought to put a rift between the
human/Autobot alliance.

Shortly afterwards, Starscream, from a secret staging ground, contacted
his former ally Dr. Arkeville (from the G1 season 1 three-parter "The
Ultimate Doom" and the follow-up episode "Countdown to Extinction"),
who was also a member of the Concurrence, and the two of them agreed to
form an alliance. Arkeville combined his own "hypnochip" (also from
"The Ultimate Doom") with the Insecticon Bombshell's cerebro-shells and
thus managed to secretly bring several facilities participating in the
Binaltech Project under his control, in order to provide the damaged
Decepticon warriors with new bodies as well.

Therefore, while Symultech Industries (originally mentioned in the G1
season 2 episode "Trans-Europe Express") believed they were rebuilding
Sunstreaker, they actually built a new body for Dead End, who can no
longer combine with the other Stunticons into Menasor in this form and
now fears that he might have to revert to his old body some day.
Likewise, the body the Central City Institute of Technology (Central
City is a fictious city from the G1 season 2 two-parter "Megatron's
Master Plan") had intended for Trailbreaker (even including a force
field projector ["force barrier emitter" in Japan], which now had to be
left offline since it was never finished) ended up as the new body of
Swindle, who had managed to put himself on top of the waiting list of
Decepticons to receive a Binaltech upgrade, even though other
Decepticons were more severely damaged, and now can't merge with the
other Combaticons into Bruticus anymore either.

Since the EDC deleted the registration for the BT units the Decepticons
had acquired, they can't access electro-cell recharge facilities
anymore (the "recharge facilities" refer to the recharging chambers
from the G1 season 2 episode "Attack of the Autobots"), thus they use
stabilized "exponential generators" (Dr. Arkeville's invention from
"Countdown to Extinction") as their new primary power sources instead.

In order to counter the threat posed by the Decepticons' infiltration
of the project and their acquisition of the Binaltech technology, the
Autobots and the EDC quickly launched a number of counteroffensives:

The first of them was a sub-project, initiated by the EDC's Advanced
Technologies Development Bureau, named "Genetronic Translink" (GT),
headed by the Autobots' old associate Chip Chase (from G1 season 1 and
2). In order to enable a single Autobot to control several Binaltech
bodies at once, the GT technology involved an Autobots' "laser core"
(introduced in the G1 season 2 episode "Starscream's Brigade"), which
is the basis of his personality, being stored in "subspace" (a popular
concept among fans used to explain various aspects of Transformers
technology) and from there controlling the individual robot units via
"Translink ports". The first Autobot to test the new technology was
Smokescreen, who, now as Smokescreen GT, can operate up to four robot
bodies at once, although this amount of active units is saved as a last
resort for criticial situations.

The second Autobot to use the GT technology was Jazz, who had
originally not been affected by the Cosmic Rust. Regardless, he agreed
to have his brain transferred into a new body (built by the Mazda
Corporation) anyways in order to carry out secret operations. Using the
GT technology, Jazz can also remote-control a red duplicate of himself
he nicknamed "Zoom-Zoom". Zoom-Zoom isn't a fully sentient individual
yet, but Jazz has already started to give him dancing lessons whenever
time permits. Jazz himself, in turn, participated in a secret
investigation code-named "Operation: Carwash", intended to uncover the
extent of the Decepticons' infiltration of the Binaltech Project.

Meanwhile, the EDC's top agent, Dashiell R. Faireborn (better known as
Flint from "G.I. Joe", now also the father to EDC agent Marissa
Faireborn from G1 season 3), infiltrated the Concurrence's secret
headquarters in the Lunar Colony and found out the truth about the
Concurrence's agenda, the involvement of von Rani, Krieger, Chumley and
Berger, and also about Arkeville's brainwashing activities. After
confirming that no member of the BT project was actually working for
the Concurrence, he managed to send out a message to Ultra Magnus in
Autobot City, advising him to find a way to neutralize the effects of
the brainwashing. After finishing his transmission, Faireborn was
forced to flee in order not to get caught by the enemy. His fate is
still unclear at this point.

At the same time, on Cybertron, the war between Optimus Prime's
Autobots and Megatron's Decepticons was in full force when the
Decepticons used some primitive telepathic aliens known as the
"Unleasher" (NOT a G1 or other obscure reference - Hirofumi Ichikawa
confirmed they are entirely his own creation) in order to launch a
psychic attack on the Autobots. The attack affected all "Primitives"
(first identified as such in the G1 season 3 episode "Call of the
Primitives") and turned the Dinobots into rampaging savages.

After the Autobots had found themselves forced to take their comrades
out of commission, Grimlock regained consciousness and agreed to do
anything in order to be able to return to the battlefield. Thus,
Wheeljack rushed off to Earth and had Grimlock's brain being
transferred into a new body (built by the Ford Company's Specialized
Car Development Team) that combined all the improvements of the
previous Binaltech bodies, thus making him the "ultimate" Binaltech
warrior. Even though Grimlock hated his new body from the first minute
and took it out on the Ford developers even while still being rebuilt,
he decided to make the best of his situation and to continue fighting
alongside his fellow Autobots.

To be continued...

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Credits:
Story and bios written by Hirofumi Ichikawa
Technical data written by Fumihiko Akiyama
Based on translations provided by Doug Dlin (originally done for BWTF),
Fan to Fan and LagunaL8 from Ragnark: Logoff
Additional clarifications provided by Hirofumi Ichikawa and Doug Dlin
Iron Klaw and General Blitz originally identified by sdtessmann from
2005 Boards
Exponential generator originally identified by Thylacine2000 from 2005
Boards

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Sources:

The story (note: Doug Dlin's translations are author-approved):

Binaltech story chapter 1 (from Smokescreen's and Lambor's booklets):
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/intro.shtml
Fan to Fan translation (under "26 Sep 2003")
http://www.fantofan.jp/newsarchive2003.htm#sep

Binaltech story chapter 2 (from Streak's, Hound's and Dead End's
booklets):
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Binal-Tech is...")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/streak/booklet.shtml

Binaltech story chapter 3 (from Dead End's booklet):
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Birth of the Evil Binal-Tech!")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/deadend/booklet.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/deadend/bt-05profile2.jpg

Binaltech story chapter 4 (from Smokescreen GT's booklet):
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Binaltech Story: Chapter Four")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/smokescreengt/booklet.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-07/bt-07profile2.jpg

Binaltech story chapter 5 (from Meister's booklet):
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Operation: Carwash")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/meister/booklet.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-08/bt-08meister3.jpg
LagunaL8 translation from Ragnark: Logoff
http://www.ragnarklogoff.net/trans/article/BTjazzpg9-10eng.jpg

Binaltech story chapter 6 (from Swindle's booklet):
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Expose All of Evil's Designs!")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/swindle/booklet.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-09/bt-09swindle3.jpg

Binaltech story chapter 7 (from Grimlock's booklet):
LagunaL8 translation from Ragnark: Logoff
http://www.ragnarklogoff.net/trans/article/BTgrimlockpg9-10.jpg


The characters:

Smokescreen bio:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Tech Specs")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/smokescreen/review.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/smokescreen/bt-01profile.jpg

Smokescreen system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Page 9: System Description")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/smokescreen/booklet.shtml


Lambor bio:
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/sideswipe/bt-02profile.jpg

Lambor system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Page 10: System Description")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/lambor/book/index.shtml


Streak bio:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Tech Specs")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/streak/review.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/streak/bt-03profile.jpg

Streak system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Page Nine")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/streak/booklet.shtml


Hound bio:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Tech Specs")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/hound/review.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/hound/bt-04profile.jpg

Hound system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Page Nine: System Description")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/hound/booklet.shtml


Dead End bio:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Tech Specs")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/deadend/review.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/deadend/bt-05profile.jpg

Dead End system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "System Description")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/deadend/booklet.shtml


Tracks bio:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "BT06 Autobot Warrior")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/tracks/review.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/tracks/bt-06profile.jpg

Tracks system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Page Nine: System Description")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/tracks/booklet.shtml


Smokescreen GT bio:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Tech Specs")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/smokescreengt/review.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-07/bt-07profile.jpg

Smokescreen GT system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Page 9: (System Description)")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/smokescreengt/booklet.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-07/bt-07profile3.jpg


Meister bio:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Tech Specs")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/meister/review.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-08/bt-meister01.jpg

Meister system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Page Nine")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/meister/booklet.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-08/bt-08meister2.jpg
LagunaL8 translation from Ragnark: Logoff
http://www.ragnarklogoff.net/trans/article/BTjazzpg9-10eng.jpg


Swindle bio:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Tech Specs")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/swindle/review.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-09/bt-09swindle.jpg

Swindle system description:
Doug Dlin translation from BWTF (under "Page Nine")
http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/swindle/booklet.shtml
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-09/bt-09swindle2.jpg


Grimlock bio:
LagunaL8 translation from Ragnark: Logoff
http://www.ragnarklogoff.net/trans/article/BTgrimlockcard.jpg
Fan to Fan translation
http://www.fantofan.jp/photo%20gallery/binartech/bt-10/bt-10grimlock.jpg

Grimlock system description:
LagunaL8 translation from Ragnark: Logoff
http://www.ragnarklogoff.net/trans/article/BTgrimlockpg9-10.jpg


Additional background:
Q&A with Doug Dlin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/messages/d048c398ec6d55c0,98bf9756f39f3f23?thread_id=f9e1a23c204beefc&mode=thread&noheader=1#doc_98bf9756f39f3f23
More Q&A with Doug Dlin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/messages/c46c859ee25974d5,a10a85ba9c2f22e1,1645eefd7dc0d4d1,67536c7086e11ee9,d58618c77955d463?thread_id=156a8c077f2be06e&mode=thread&noheader=1#doc_67536c7086e11ee9
Clarification on the "Unleashers" by Hirofumi Ichikawa, fowarded by
Doug Dlin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/messages/aaeafed21cfb4a89,22f3d6157538f06f,3059b2a42a722171,bb0689837c2392fa,284dea9f25a645f6,4435769e3fd084bc,02fc455a13680c30,eb78222b1759b7b9,f1c8fd0647799610,d11533c2b7fafe50?thread_id=4cc0ba633ed3368a&mode=thread&noheader=1#doc_3059b2a42a722171
Clarification on continuity issues by Hirofumi Ichikawa, fowarded by
Doug Dlin
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/messages/d048c398ec6d55c0,98bf9756f39f3f23,601877bcc5a96132?thread_id=f9e1a23c204beefc&mode=thread&noheader=1#doc_601877bcc5a96132

Doug Dlin

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Dec 18, 2004, 8:52:55 PM12/18/04
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Very well compiled, Nevermore.

I'm still fairly sure that "Unleasher" refers to the primitive
telepathic aliens' attack, not the aliens themselves, but we'll see what
Ichikawa-san says.

Also, while von Raini and Krieger head the list of criminals and
terrorists involved in the Concurrence, I don't believe they were
specified as leaders. That doesn't mean you're wrong, per se, but it
does strike me as more speculative than you'd prefer for this summary.
Ichikawa-san may provide confirmation of their status within the
organization, but it wasn't in the officially published text that I know
of. Similarly, while Chumley and Berger do fund the Concurrence, they
are not THE sources of its money, but only two among others; Faireborn
just picked their names out because of their history with TFs.

Nevermore

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Dec 18, 2004, 8:54:05 PM12/18/04
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Some additions:

1) The "laser cores", though in fact first seen in "Starscream's
Brigade", were actually first mentioned in "Divide and Conquer". Thanks
to the charming Arcee from TF Archive (also known as LadySilverSnake
from 2005 Boards) for pointing this out.

2) David "It's Walky" Willis was the first to correctly identify
Swindle's head as a toy/cartoon hybrid head.

Nevermore

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Dec 18, 2004, 9:00:33 PM12/18/04
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Nevermore wrote:
> Some additions:

> 2) David "It's Walky" Willis was the first to correctly identify
> Swindle's head as a toy/cartoon hybrid head.

"toy/cartoon hybrid TRAILBREAKER head", I mean.

Nevermore

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Dec 18, 2004, 9:05:12 PM12/18/04
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Nevermore wrote:
> Some additions:

> 2) David "It's Walky" Willis was the first to correctly identify
> Swindle's head as a toy/cartoon hybrid head.

"toy/cartoon hybrid TRAILBREAKER head", I mean.

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Kil - Michael McCarthy

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Dec 18, 2004, 10:12:15 PM12/18/04
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Nevermore wrote...

>Some additions:
>
>1) The "laser cores", though in fact first seen in "Starscream's
>Brigade", were actually first mentioned in "Divide and Conquer".

Not quite correct.

What Starscream stole from the detention facility were termed "personality
components" and were never called "laser cores."

That term, "laser core," was only mentioned in "Divide and Conquer" and "The
Autobot Run."

It would not be unresonable to assume, however, that the terms may be
interchangeble, or that a TF's "personality component" contains it's "laser
core" within.


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Shin Hibiki

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Dec 19, 2004, 9:05:26 AM12/19/04
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"Nevermore" <tab...@t-online.de> wrote:

I really liked this post, Nevermore, but there's a fairly
substantial misconception being spread here:

>and Tracks, in a new body built by
>General Motors and DuPont (GM's parent company), which now provides him
>with the ability to change his body color from yellow to blue.

Regardless of what the Binaltech writers may have said, DuPont
is not the parent company of GM. DD once held a large stake in GM but
was forced to sell its position decades ago due to antitrust
proceedings.

- Shin Hibiki (in the interest of Binaltech-related trivia, note that
Ford does in fact hold a controlling stake in Mazda)

Doug Dlin

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Dec 19, 2004, 2:40:17 PM12/19/04
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On Dec. 19, 2004, Shin Hibiki wrote:

> "Nevermore" <tab...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> I really liked this post, Nevermore, but there's a fairly
> substantial misconception being spread here:
>
>>and Tracks, in a new body built by
>>General Motors and DuPont (GM's parent company), which now provides him
>>with the ability to change his body color from yellow to blue.
>
> Regardless of what the Binaltech writers may have said, DuPont
> is not the parent company of GM. DD once held a large stake in GM but
> was forced to sell its position decades ago due to antitrust
> proceedings.

Thanks for the heads-up. I just double-checked my translation, and the
mention was included as a footnote from the author, not part of the
final, published text. I guess he had old/inaccurate information sources.

Ethan Hammond

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Dec 20, 2004, 6:57:58 AM12/20/04
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"Nevermore" <tab...@t-online.de> wrote in message

>
> > Some additions:
> > 2) David "It's Walky" Willis was the first to correctly identify
> > Swindle's head as a toy/cartoon hybrid head.
>
> "toy/cartoon hybrid TRAILBREAKER head", I mean.

I thought he was just joking around.

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Nevermore

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Dec 20, 2004, 12:36:16 PM12/20/04
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In fact, it was actually Might Gaine of The Allspark who first drew the
Trailbreaker connection. However, David was the first to provide visual
evidence and at the same time bringing up Swindle's "hybrid" head from
TF:U #1.
Thus, both of them are going to be credited in the next revision of the
story once Jaguar has been released and his story translated.

BTW, for those who still don't buy the "Trailbreaker" thing, here's the
evidence:
http://shorterlink.com/?4C6G3I

Nevermore

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Jan 23, 2005, 9:41:32 AM1/23/05
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Kil - Michael McCarthy wrote:
> Not quite correct.
>
> What Starscream stole from the detention facility were termed
"personality
> components" and were never called "laser cores."
>
> That term, "laser core," was only mentioned in "Divide and Conquer"
and "The
> Autobot Run."

Coming back on this: Where exactly was that in "The Autobot Run"?

Kil - Michael McCarthy

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Jan 23, 2005, 2:12:58 PM1/23/05
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Nevermore wrote...

>
>Coming back on this: Where exactly was that in "The Autobot Run"?

During the fight between the Autobots and Devastator, Megatron yells out:
"Extinguish their laser cores forever, Devastator! Finish them!!!"


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Zobovor

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Jan 23, 2005, 3:04:03 PM1/23/05
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Nevermore wrote:

>Coming back on this: Where exactly was that in "The Autobot Run"?

During the fight near the end of the episode, Megatron says something like,

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