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Life Sux
harks back to the letter columns of the UK comic, back when Soundwave
was answering the letters (Yes, he was one of several Tfs to hold the
job, including Ratchet, Grimlock and Darkwind/Dreadwing/whatever).
Anyway, someone asked why nearly all the humanoid Tfs were drawn with
rather large humps on their backs, and Soundwave said that was where
they stored their weapons when transformed, which was fair enough, but
I'm just wondering how it links up with the subspace theory everyone
here seems to have agreed on, which works fine for me (It explains Tfs
shrinking and growing, and where Prime's trailer goes), but I'm curious
to see which one people will ignore, the one which appeared in the
comics, which makes it sort of canon (or does it?), or the one that, as
far as I know, we worked out ourselves, and which works a lot better.
Please respond to this, or yoyu'll bruise my ego irreparably, and I
don't think you want that on your conscience, do you?
Life Sux
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FlameStrike
think you want that on your conscience, do you?>>
Well, I could live with it. :-)
Even though you could probably figure out my answer by reading another thread
in this group, you could probably figure out that I would go with the fan
explanation. I don't accept the comics as canon, so what other option is
there.?
Besides, as you said, subspace explains a lot more as well.
FlameStrike
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Zobovor
>Hi, I was wondering whether letter columns are considered canon?
I'd place them in the same category as info we've gotten from the story
editors. Not quite canonical, but good as a secondary source of information.
>This harks back to the letter columns of the UK comic, back when >Soundwave
was answering the letters (Yes, he was one of several >Tfs to hold the job,
including Ratchet, Grimlock and >Darkwind/Dreadwing/whatever). Anyway, someone
asked why >nearly all the humanoid Tfs were drawn with rather large humps
>on their backs, and Soundwave said that was where they stored
>their weapons when transformed
Well, of course Soundwave would say that. That actually *Is* where his weapons
are stored, at least on the toy.
>I'm just wondering how it links up with the subspace theory
>everyone here seems to have agreed on
Subspace really doesn't apply to the comic books. It's a contrivance from the
cartoon show.
Zobovor, who wants to know what happened to Roller after Prime lost that video
game...
Prime Saber
> I'm curious
> to see which one people will ignore, the one which appeared in the
> comics, which makes it sort of canon (or does it?), or the one that, as
> far as I know, we worked out ourselves, and which works a lot better.
Some TFs do store weapons on their backs, like Star Saber does with
his sword's blade. Subspace can be used to explain the others who
don't or look like they can't.
Tony Li, the Prime Saber
Index page to the Japanese and Beast Wars Transformers, including
pictures, videos, and my own models of Galvatron and God Ginrai --
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Stanley Lui
>Hi, I was wondering whether letter columns are considered canon?
Doubt it, since I don't think later writers would bother to check the
letter columns for continuity info. Besides, in this case...
>This
>harks back to the letter columns of the UK comic, back when Soundwave
>was answering the letters (Yes, he was one of several Tfs to hold the
>job, including Ratchet, Grimlock and Darkwind/Dreadwing/whatever).
>Anyway, someone asked why nearly all the humanoid Tfs were drawn with
>rather large humps on their backs, and Soundwave said that was where
>they stored their weapons when transformed, which was fair enough,
... the US comics showed several times a Transformer storing their
weapon (magnetically?) on their hips. I don't know if the UK comic
ever depicted a TF taking a weapon from the humps on their backs...
>but
>I'm just wondering how it links up with the subspace theory everyone
>here seems to have agreed on, which works fine for me (It explains Tfs
>shrinking and growing, and where Prime's trailer goes), but I'm curious
>to see which one people will ignore, the one which appeared in the
>comics, which makes it sort of canon (or does it?), or the one that, as
>far as I know, we worked out ourselves, and which works a lot better.
As has been stated before, the comic and cartoon have vastly different
histories, facts, and even physics. One example is the Insecticons,
who only had size-changing abilities in the comics (and cloning
abilities in the cartoon).
Having said that, there's no reason to believe that just because
*some* Transformers store weapons in subspace, *all* Transformers
store weapons in subspace. Personally, I can see how both methods
would have advantages and disadvantages. You can't lose a weapon in a
subspace pocket, but such a storage method must surely use a lot of
energy.
> Please respond to this, or yoyu'll bruise my ego irreparably, and I
>don't think you want that on your conscience, do you?
I have a conscience?
Raksha
wrote:
>For some reason, Life Sux <life...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi, I was wondering whether letter columns are considered canon?
>
>Doubt it, since I don't think later writers would bother to check the
>letter columns for continuity info.
Especially when you have laughable responses like "Just because all
the TFs look male, doesn't mean some of them might not be female" or
even more laughably, "Transformers don't have gender." Though I did
like the bit about G1 Galvatron and his weakness for chocolate-covered
oil drums.... :)
>>Anyway, someone asked why nearly all the humanoid Tfs were drawn with
>>rather large humps on their backs, and Soundwave said that was where
>>they stored their weapons when transformed, which was fair enough,
>>but
>>I'm just wondering how it links up with the subspace theory everyone
>>here seems to have agreed on, which works fine for me (It explains Tfs
>>shrinking and growing, and where Prime's trailer goes), but I'm curious
>>to see which one people will ignore, the one which appeared in the
>>comics, which makes it sort of canon (or does it?), or the one that, as
>>far as I know, we worked out ourselves, and which works a lot better.
I never was totally fond of the "subspace theory," actually, though I
suppose it works nicely to explain mass and size changes for some
characters. Also, one can only assume that characters like Astrotrain
or Soundwave, who can carry a lot more on the inside than one would
think from the outside, have access to some kind of subspace pocket or
other-dimensional plane.
As for weapons, while it's true that different characters
probably have different methods for storing them (some don't store
them at all, but leave them mounted on their arms or shoulders), my
favorite theory of where the weapon goes is a Star-Trek-style
replicator. On one or two occasions you see weapons just materialize
in the characters' hands in the cartoon, and it certainly does look
like they've been "beamed" there by some personal matter-transport
system. So I've always imagined that the weapon's structure is saved
and stored in part of the TF's own cerebral circuitry, and the small
"replicator device" inside them can materialize or de-materialize the
weapon in response to a mental command. This means that when the
weapon is not in use, it's not actually being *stored* anywhere -- it
simply doesn't exist. Only its pattern is still saved - which can be
re-activated and re-formed using surrounding atmospheric molecules to
be re-structured into the solid form again when needed.
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Robert Powers
On Thu, 04 Nov 1999 01:50:49 EST, Raksha <Rak...@plumed-serpent.com> wrote:
>favorite theory of where the weapon goes is a Star-Trek-style
>replicator. On one or two occasions you see weapons just materialize
>in the characters' hands in the cartoon, and it certainly does look
>like they've been "beamed" there by some personal matter-transport
>system. So I've always imagined that the weapon's structure is saved
>and stored in part of the TF's own cerebral circuitry, and the small
>"replicator device" inside them can materialize or de-materialize the
>weapon in response to a mental command.
Wow.... I guess you really *have* never heard it all. That's a new one
to me... and I rather like it. Also explains why TFs never seem to have
to reload.
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