VINTAGE "REPRO" BOXES.....
JOEZETA
etc...
Someone correct me if im wrong...... Arent there PATENT/TRADEMARK
Rights owned by Hasbro Prohibiting People from REPRODUCING The
PROPERTY of HASBRO ??
I dont post much, but as a Vintage collector im DISGUSTED By all
the RIP OFFS of Vintage Joe Boxes....
I think it should all Stop.....And im sure a Call To Hasbro Corporate
office i can get someone with some of my contacts at Hasbro...
If you want Reproduction Boxes, Petition Hasbro Or the GIJOE CLUB to
make the boxes which are PROPERLY MARKED...
I also find it amusing how one guy who Copies boxes is Accusing another
guy who copies boxes - is Accusing HIM of stealing "HIS" Box....think
about stupid this sounds..
I Dont want to start a Heated Debate....but in my opinion HASBRO is
the only one that has the RIGHT to use there Artwork/Trademarks..
JOEZETA
DUG
man, well said....................................................DUG
tuski...@yahoo.com
tried to pass off a repro as an original. Which is altogether bad news.
I found out about it and I think it may have been one of mine because
this person has bought stuff like that from me in the past. He is now
blocked and I will never sell to him again. I also came in here to warn
the guys about this. Dennis Hindmon accused me of stealing his boxes. I
didn't. It is a good point though because how could I steal something
that he doesnt own. Regardless of all that I didnt use his 3rd and 4th
generation copies to make repro boxes. You cant. Regarding repros I
dont sell them anymore unless a collector comes to me and needs
something. I used to have an eBay store that had replicas in it. I dont
anymore. When Hasbro starting issuing the old packaging I stopped
making those. I did it because collectors wanted a box they normally
could not afford. Back in the old days when any boxed soldier went for
300.00+ collectors couldnt afford it but wanted to relive a past
Christmas moment. Also alot of collectors wanted to be able to store
their Joes in these boxes instead of using a plain cardboard box. I
agree with you from a collectors point of view. I would only display
originals. Hasbro could stop it if they wanted to but I believe that
even this kind of interest generates more people into the hobby and
keeps it going. I did this (replication) because I was a fan who wanted
to give something to other fans and not just out for a few bucks. Yes
it is wrong to infringe on the rights of others. I understand that.
Roy
Tanker
SHIRTS, repro clothes, stickers, and anything else thats underboard. I also
think that Hasbro should get some kind of fee for all the dealers that sell
the vintage stuff at higher prices than what they were bought for.....I also
think that the IRS should get its part for those that sell toys for much
highher than their original value......But hey, that the communist side of
me and not the capitalist side....
Dave
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wonder which is worse: collectors creating fringe products to keep Joe
alive, or Hasbro killing Joe last year (at least our 12" friend).
--MJ
tuski...@yahoo.com
lower than they paid for an item should Hasbro give them the money back
as well? If so I'm due at least a thousand but will take into
consideration the money I made from them.LOL As far as the IRS goes you
should pay your taxes but should the same item that is being sold over
and over again still be subject to tax? Should items that are old and
used be subject to tax? Some of the items that we consider
collectibles have been taxed and retaxed so many times over that the
government makes way more money on the item than the company who made
it. I've always felt that used merchandise should never be taxed
because when people buy used items it keeps stuff out of the landfill.
Roy
JOEZETA
There is a fine line on who should pay tax and who is exempt... For
instance someone who has a Store front, Someone who has a "Ebay
Store" , meaning they do this as a "Business" .
I Sell on Ebay from time to time, sometimes i may sell a Expensive
item....
BUT the difference with me is i spend alot more then i take in on my
"Hobby"
For instance :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14336&item=6062290973
This should be proof enough that im a "Collector" First.....as who
the heck can i sell this to ????
Basically if you do your Buying and selling as a Hobby to support YOUR
Hobby then your ok.....
As Far as the Repro Box market, i understand when back in the day it
was cool to have them. I too was one of the first Suckered by Hindmon,
and if he is reading this im sure he will remember....but thats long
ago....
Here it is,,,if your gonna make Repro Boxes , # 1 make them of good
Quality if not dont bother... and #2 MARK them as Repro , the Top
and Bottom, OR change something so its not exact as to the original.
OR lastly bring back Lonnie Hall sp ? who made the Best Boxes for
FRONTLINE.
JOEZETA
Tanker
sell it for 399$ in 2006 you owe the IRS for some of that. They were also
responsible for the autograph devaluing some years ago. But my point is
this, if you are against the guys that are making boxes then you need to run
the whole gambit and point the finger at EVERYONE who is breaking the
copyright laws from the maker to the seller to the buyer....to the little
guy who bought one and didn't know it.....EVERYONE.
Dave
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of that. I actually tried on three different occasions to make boxes
and failed miserably. I guess within a two year span. But I didnt want
to quit and I was doing this to see if I could. Not to sell at first
but just see If I could do it. It was a real trial and error nightmare.
I didnt want to just paste it onto cardboard and cut it up. I found the
best material and constructed it just like Hasbro did. Not an easy
task. Pretty tricky. Frontline was great.
Roy
tuski...@yahoo.com
Roy
Tanker
"thats copyright law violation they should pay", say what you just said.
Yeah sure you are going to get the Hindmons who don't care. They are
everywhere in our hobby...in every hobby...you close them out and make sure
everyone knows who they are .....but it is hard to find the guy that does
good and likes what he does and isn't out to screw loads of people for a
buck. Honestly, if you can provide a service to this hobby thats makes the
collectors happy and you are not out to say "screw you I got my buck" then
I'm for that guy.
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"JOEZETA" <joe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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JOEZETA
Tanker wrote:
> If I read it right.....I did......if you buy a Joe for 3.99c in 1968 and you
> sell it for 399$ in 2006 you owe the IRS for some of that. They were also
> responsible for the autograph devaluing some years ago. But my point is
> this, if you are against the guys that are making boxes then you need to run
> the whole gambit and point the finger at EVERYONE who is breaking the
> copyright laws from the maker to the seller to the buyer....to the little
> guy who bought one and didn't know it.....EVERYONE.
Dave if you want to get technical you would owe the IRS $ IF you
declare this as
"Income"
As i said if you show you buy enough for your "Hobby" then your
ok....its acceptable.
The IRS will not Bother you unless we are talking Big $ .
As Far as the Repro box issue. Im not pointing fingers anywhere,
just trying to get a handle on something that seems to have been
getting out of control with the Hobby at Times....
Joezeta
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"JOEZETA" <joe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jim M
joe...@aol.com says...
>
> Tanker wrote:
> > If I read it right.....I did......if you buy a Joe for 3.99c in 1968 and you
> > sell it for 399$ in 2006 you owe the IRS for some of that. They were also
> > responsible for the autograph devaluing some years ago. But my point is
> > this, if you are against the guys that are making boxes then you need to run
> > the whole gambit and point the finger at EVERYONE who is breaking the
> > copyright laws from the maker to the seller to the buyer....to the little
> > guy who bought one and didn't know it.....EVERYONE.
>
>
> Dave if you want to get technical you would owe the IRS $ IF you
> declare this as
> "Income"
>
> As i said if you show you buy enough for your "Hobby" then your
> ok....its acceptable.
>
> The IRS will not Bother you unless we are talking Big $ .
>
THe proper way is to keep track of what you purchase for your collection
and what you sell out of your collection, and the market value of any
trades you made. If the amount you sold is greater then what you
purchased then it is income and you owe tax on the difference. It also
works for trades, you are supposed to keep track of what you traded away
and what you recieved in trades, if you show that what you traded for
has a greater value then what you traded away, then you owe income tax
on the difference. Unfortunately while the require you to pay on money
you make, they don't allow you to take a loss unless you declare it a
business. In which case you may have to pay property tax on the net
value of your collection (that is what you paid not what the current
market value is, as then it is considered inventory). In addition,
ANYTIME you sell an item in your home state you may be required to
collect and pay sales tax. If you purchase an item from out of state you
may be required to pay a use tax on that item. (It's really the same
tax, but one is paid to the state by the seller, and the other is paid
by the buyer).
So it's such a small amount that you won't get caught right? Wrong, I
have had to pay back taxes (plus penalties and interest) on $35.00 that
the IRS claimed was unreported. It ended up to be about $40.00 that I
had to pay all told, not a great amount, but when you figure it is more
then the original amount in question, it got me to set up a spread sheet
to keep track of the money spent and collected on my "hobbies"!
Gordon Campbell
And I'm grateful to those suppliers that make it possible. Hasbro
certainly hasn't been stepping up to the plate. Heck, the only purchases
I make now are from the club or on ebay.
Yes, there are a few disreputable sellers out there that blow it for
everyone. But that is an issue between you and the seller.
actiontrooper
Hey Roy, how is that Superman insert Denny swore he sent you? The Pony
Express would have delivered it by now. His credibility would certainly
be intact. Frontlines boxes were indeed nice and appreciated. Thor
made boxes that looked far better than even the originals. Tuskin Toys
did make nice boxes that certainly looked retro. Even Denny's boxes,
if delivered, have a niche, since he has sold alot of difficult to
obtain rare boxes. The quality is in a different league, but still has
a place IF ACTUALLY DELIVERED. Best wishes all.