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When I stopped getting the flu shot, I stopped getting the flu ...(part 2:)

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William Gigantus

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Dear Parents: You are being lied to
http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/vaccinerewrite.html

From the late Livingwhole.org UPDATE: Pressure from this web site got
Livingwhole.org put back online (read this anyway, it's a good one)

Dear Parents,

You are being lied to. There are pharmaceutical companies who claim to
be acting in the best interests of your children, but they�re putting
your health and even lives at risk for the sake of profits. There are
some doctors, who, despite not being trained on the history of, lack
of science behind, adverse reactions, or additives in vaccinations,
refuse to read the package inserts and contrary scientific evidence,
and do not inform you of the true risks of a vaccine so you can make
an educated decision. You�re being lied to�because you�re told you�re
just a parent, and you don�t have a say.


They say that measles is a deadly disease. But it�s not�unless you
look at a fact sheet from the World Health Organization (cited in the
opposing article) which looks at measles rates globally. You know what
else is deadly in third-world countries? A sneeze. Do you know how
measles presents most of the time? A rash.

They say that chickenpox is a big deal. But it�s not.
Before the licensure of the vaccine, only 4 million cases of chicken
pox occurred annually and the varicella mortality rate was only 0.4
deaths per 1 million people. In the 25 years prior to vaccine
licensure, only 2,262 people died (about 90 people per year). Let�s
put that into perspective�more than 1,000 people die every year
falling down their stairs and 200 people die each year from
accidentally drowning. I think the real epidemic here centers around
your staircase.

They say the flu is dangerous. But it�s not.
The data on influenza statistics is a mess. Currently
influenza/pneumonia is the 9th leading cause of death. According to
the CDC�s National Center for Health Statistics, �influenza and
pneumonia� took 62,034 lives in 2001. Most people would hear that
number and run out and get a flu shot. Funny how they lump two
�illnesses� in together like that. What they should have said was
�61,777 people died from pneumonia and 257 from the flu and in only 18
cases was the flu virus positively identified.�

Since the flu shot is ineffective and often exposes one to the flu.
I�ll opt out and take my chances.

They say the vaccine prevents whooping cough. But it doesn�t.
According to the pertussis prevalence data, incidence of pertussis was
decreasing before the licensure of the vaccine in 1949. After
licensure pertussis incidences increased, stabilized, and then reached
a 50-year high in 2013. (Do check out the lovely chart on p. 64 here).
And now, the CDC admits they�ve discovered vaccine-resistant pertussis
and that children who receive the vaccine can become asymptomatic
carriers and spread the bacteria. What? So the vaccine is to blame for
the outbreaks occurring in an almost exclusively vaccinated
population? I�m shocked (okay, not really).

Here are your real options: increase your child�s chance of getting
(and spreading) whooping cough by getting a harmful, ineffective
vaccine associated with brain damage (DTP), one that may cause autism
and enhances the growth of parapertussis bacteria, which can cause a
typically milder strain of whooping cough (DTaP) or makes one an
asymptomatic carrier (Tdap). No thanks. I don�t want my child to get
pertussis (or give it to anyone else) so I�m running as far away as I
can from that vaccine.

They give credit to vaccines for eradicating diseases, but they
didn�t. Polio (licensed in 1955), hepatitis A (1995) and B (1991),
mumps (1967), measles (1963), and pertussis (1949), were all on the
decline before the vaccines were introduced. Small pox and pertussis
ultimately saw an increase in prevalence after the vaccine and rubella
and tetanus was practically nonexistent prior to the vaccine.
Mortality in all areas with all diseases were significantly decreased
before the vaccine came on the scene. Instead of looking at deceptive
CDC graphs that give credit where credit�s not due, try plugging in
the year of licensure on both prevalence and mortality charts and
discover where the decline occurred for yourself. (For prevalence of
polio refer to �Incidence of poliomyelitis in the USA from CDC, 1972
and for measles prevalence use healthsentinel.com).

What eradicated and decreased the prevalence of these diseases?
Considering �germs only live in environments conducive to their
growth,� the stark declines in disease can be attributed to better
living conditions, quarantine programs, hygiene, clean water, indoor
plumbing, and better access to acute care. But if you want, we can
pretend that maggots, parasites, microbes, and other germs don�t
respond to changes in their environment. They�d much prefer a clean
house to a rotting trash can.

They say vaccination is better than �natural infection.� But they�re
wrong.
Yeah, it completely makes sense that we are all born with immune
systems that have absolutely no clue how to function. Instead of
exposing ourselves to viruses in nature which build our immune systems
(like every other mammal) and give us lifetime immunity, we�ll expose
ourselves to the mutated, live, and attenuated viruses and harmful
additives in a vaccine, that may or may not work, and if it does only
affords temporary immunity. Makes complete sense.

They say that vaccines have been rigorously tested for safety and are
subjected to a higher level of scrutiny than any other medicine. But
they�re wrong.
Medical drug approval is rigorous and requires pre-clinical testing in
animals, an application and review, three phases of testing, and
another review before it is approved. Studies are usually done with
inactive placebos (like a sugar pill or saline solution) to determine
side-effects, and then later compared to other treatments for the same
disease, but not without passing the prior phase first. The dying
cancer patient who did not get into the clinical trial will not get
their hands on that experimental drug until it�s licensed and
approved. Period.

Vaccine approval is a cake-walk in comparison. Usually two small
studies (where test subjects are followed for a mere 5-15 days) are
all that a pharmaceutical company needs to have before approval is
granted (except in the case of the meningitis vaccine, which is being
distributed without a license and is not approved for use in the
United States). Most studies are not even done in this country � they
are done in other countries and disposable children in Africa. Oh, the
CDC conveniently leaves out the part about clinical trials being done
with prior vaccines, adjuvants, or complex vaccines.


Indeed, the FDA has never even spelled out in regulations the criteria
it uses to decide whether a vaccine is safe and effective for its
intended use. - Bruesewitz v. Wyeth LLC

They say doctors readily admit the side effects of vaccinations, that
side effects are well-known, and except in very rare cases, are �quite
mild.� Actually, most doctors haven�t read the package inserts, don�t
inform the patient of side-effects that go beyond �redness, pain, and
swelling at the injection site, dizziness, or fainting� and in all
actuality, they don�t have to because the U.S Supreme Court exempted
physicians and pharmaceutical companies from vaccine liability in
their infamous landmark case that declared vaccines to be �unavoidably
unsafe.�

So the side-effects of a vaccine are �quite mild� but the rash
associated with chicken pox isn�t? Tell that to the recipients of
rewards from the Vaccine Compensation Injury Act or the parents of
children listed on the VAERS database. Yeah, I know you got paralysis,
cancer, guillain barre, and your baby died of SIDS but hey�good thing
your baby didn�t get that 3-5 day flu people used to get or that ugly
red rash.

They say vaccines are safe. But they�re not.
The DTP vaccine caused brain inflammation and death in children. The
oral polio vaccine crippled children and adults with vaccine-strain
paralytic polio and caused cancer. The pertussis vaccine causes
pertussis, the MMR vaccine causes irritable bowel diseases and
neurological disorders, the flu shot causes paralysis, and they�re all
associated with hundreds of side-effects you can find by reading the
package inserts, court cases, and studies.

Until vaccines are subjected to double-blind placebo controlled
studies using an inert saline solution (the standard of evidence-based
medicine) and until the benefits outweigh the risks�they�re not safe.

They say MMR doesn�t cause autism. But it might.
Even the vaccine court has rule that evidence of a causal relationship
between autism and MMR exists and that MMR can cause brain
encephalopathy leading to permanent brain injury or death. Study after
study after study, vaccine inserts, and countless court cases have
confirmed this link. I don�t know about you, but I am not a fan of the
�inject now worry about it later� mentality and I certainly didn�t
choose my stance because I saw an unsubstantiated, inflammatory media
attack on Dr. Wakefield. It�s time to stop bashing Wakefield and start
addressing autism.

They say thimerosal in vaccines doesn�t cause autism, but it might.
There are over 15,000 articles in the medical literature describing
the adverse health effects of mercury exposure on the human body, so
it seems logical that one might be concerned. Although thimerosal has
been reduced or removed from most vaccines, it is still present in the
yearly influenza vaccine (unless you request one without) and was
present in three vaccines (DTaP, Hep b, and Hib) all of which either
listed autism, brain encephalitis, or neurological damage as possible
adverse reactions. Considering the most recent autism statistics are
from 2010 and aluminum was the replacement of choice for thimerosal �
the verdict is still out. Is replacing something harmful with
something harmful any better? We should probably make sure there�s no
chance of autism before we go injecting any neurotoxin into our
children.

They say a child gets more exposure to aluminum in breast milk and
that aluminum is safe. Wrong again.
A minute amount of aluminum (0.04 mg/L) may be present in breast milk
(which differs from mother to mother and goes through the digestive
tract and easily exits via feces), but 0.1 � 0.5 mg/L is present in
each dose of a vaccine and gets carried through the blood stream to be
eliminated by the kidneys. That�s alarming considering a baby doesn�t
obtain full kidney function until they are 1-2 years old and can�t
properly excrete aluminum. So a child gets 49 doses of various
vaccines injected into the bloodstream before age 6 and that�s not
concerning? Can you say, heavy metal toxicity?


Regardless, there is no logical justification for exposing a baby to
more of something that is harmful. Aluminum is classified as a
hazardous substance that triggers an immune system pathway response
associated with all sorts of chronic medical conditions like
allergies, eczema, lupus, inflammatory bowel disease, autism,
hyperactivity disorders, dysfunctional immune system, neurotoxicity,
diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, brain
encephalopathy, bone disease, and interferes with a variety of
metabolic and cellular processes in the nervous system. Here�s a good
read on the toxicological profile of aluminum.

They say that claims made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting
System (VAERS) and National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
(NVICP) don�t prove vaccines are harmful. But they do.
VAERS is a database that one can go to report an adverse reaction to a
vaccine. It is estimated that only 1% of the population actually
reports these side-effects. And it�s true, no �cause and effect�
relationship has ever been established between the millions of
reported side-effects and deaths associated with vaccinations. How
convenient, no �cause and effect� relationship was established in the
clinical trials either, or on any other pharmaceutical or
government-funded study. Doing otherwise would de-regulate the entire
billion dollar vaccine industry. Besides, its much easier to blame
your child�s brain encephalitis or post-vaccine seizure on the weather
anyway.

As for the NVICP, this program was founded because there was so much
tort litigation as a result of vaccine injuries that an attempt was
made to stabilize the vaccine market. There�s a tax on each vaccine
that goes into a fund to pay these claims which a petitioner will not
get compensated for unless their condition has no other proven cause
but the vaccine. �As of December 1, 2011, the program had awarded
$2.35 billion in 2,810 separate claims, including compensation for 390
deaths.� And so many people have reported the development of autism
post-vaccine that the Autism Omnibus Proceeding was established to
handle these cases.

Even the U.S Supreme Court recognizes vaccines have risks (including
death). Let�s get on board guys and stop ignoring the millions of
vaccine-injured children who live among us.

They say unvaccinated children put vaccinated children at risk. But
they don�t.
Yes, that�s completely logical. How about I take birth control so you
don�t get pregnant. Maybe I should run an extra mile too so you can
lose weight. Put your burger down�it�s going to go straight to my
butt. Seriously, if you�re vaccinated and you believe you�re protected
then you have nothing to worry about right?

They say unvaccinated children are causing outbreaks of �vaccine
preventable diseases.� But that�s impossible to prove and the opposite
could be true. Someone please tell me how one can scientifically prove
a disease outbreak is caused by an unvaccinated child, when the
�outbreaks� are occurring almost exclusively in the vaccinated
population? In some cases, vaccination rates have been at 100%. It�s
like trying to figure out which of your 600 cows pooped in the pasture
and coming to the ultimate conclusion that the cow poop came from your
chicken.

Now�we know from reading the studies and vaccine package inserts that
vaccines can cause the very diseases they�re designed to prevent. We
know from studies conducted on MMR that some children experience
vaccine-strain measles post-vaccination. We know that chicken pox
vaccine can cause chicken pox, Tdap can cause outbreaks of pertussis,
and the oral polio vaccine caused vaccine-associated paralytic polio.
We know that meningitis is a side effect on several package inserts
and that the old HiB meningitis vaccine was removed from the market
because it caused meningitis. We know that mumps outbreaks have
occurred in the fully vaccinated population. And finally, we know that
live-virus vaccines like yellow fever, MMR, and varicella shed and
that people who get inactivated viral vaccines can become asymptomatic
carriers.

Logically and scientifically, I am having a really hard time blaming
the chicken for the cow poop.

They say vaccine herd immunity exists. But it doesn�t.
Herd immunity 101: Herd immunity is the belief that if a certain
portion of the population becomes immune to a disease the rest of the
population will be protected from infection. Sounds great, except herd
immunity only applies to diseases derived naturally that give one
lifetime immunity. A vaccine is deemed effective if it introduces an
antigen but that antigen may not cause an antibody response but if it
does, won�t necessarily give one immunity, but if it does, only
provides temporary immunity. In other words, effective doesn�t equal
protective. You can have the antibodies and still get sick. Major
fail.

A.W. Hedrich, founder of the herd immunity concept found that a 68%
exposure rate was all that was needed (not 95% as people have been
mistakenly led to believe). By that definition, even if herd immunity
did apply to vaccinations we should not see outbreaks of any vaccine
preventable diseases especially in exclusively vaccinated areas. (For
more on herd immunity check out this article and this book).

They don�t believe the body�s immune system serves any useful purpose.
But it does. They say vaccines are one of the greatest public health
achievements but they�re not. They say injecting 49 doses of 14
vaccines by age 6 is safe, but it�s not. They believe vaccines are the
only way to prevent disease, but it�s not. They say �anti-vaccine
activists� aren�t educated and haven�t done their research, but just
because one comes to a different conclusion, doesn�t mean they
haven�t. They say vaccines are science-based, while ignoring
conflicting scientific studies.

So why are they lying to you? Pharmaceutical companies are doing it
for profit, and are scared out of their minds of the liability that
would fall upon them if vaccines were the admitted cause of any number
of medical conditions (think asbestos and tobacco litigation). The
government won�t question because of their conflict of interests and
profit margin. Some doctors don�t want to admit they�re wrong. Some
people are looking for someone to blame. A few people truly think
vaccines work and have made their choice but don�t think you have the
right to make yours. And some people�hate others who don�t vaccinate
more than they hate bad science.

Like the original article suggests, I too encourage you to educate
yourself. Of course there are parameters:

First, pretend that there is no split among the scientific community
on this issue. Next, pretend that the hundreds of brilliant doctors
and researchers who have spoken out against vaccines are all quacks.
Then, pretend that vaccines are the only drugs in the world that
conveniently have no harmful side-effects. And finally, if you don�t
know where to start, look to the media, people who haven�t done their
research, and internet blogs that spread nothing but hate towards
parents and their unvaccinated children.

As the original article quoted, an astrophysicist once said �The good
thing about science is that it�s true whether or not you believe in
it.� Great quote, but might I point out that sometimes people refuse
to acknowledge the real science because of what they believe.



The writer's web site livingwhole.org is now GONE despite it not
expiring until 2015 My guess? If the site comes back, it will be a
kooky psy op because the real owner is probably DEAD.
UDATE: Forum members have tried to contact the site owners with the
WHOIS information to no avail, they are getting only silence. We will
try to get ahold of them personally now that the site is back up, to
make sure it was not just an NSA cached ghost of the site that was put
back up and that the site owners really are OK.

William Gigantus

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Hey Hymie,
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The Diminishing Numbers of Alleged Dead in Auschwitz

====== (a.k.a. The Incredible Shrinking Holocaust) ========

9,000,000

Source: Cited by the French documentary, Night and Fog, which has been
shown to millions of school students worldwide.


8,000,000

Source: The French War Crime Research Office, Doc. 31, 1945.


7,000,000

Source: Also cited by the French War Crime Research Office.


6,000,000

Source: Cited in the book Auschwitz Doctor by Miklos Nyiszli. It has
since been proven that this book is a fraud and the "doctor" was never
even at Auschwitz, even though the book is often cited by historians.


5,000,000 to 5,500,000

Source: Cited in 1945 at the trial of Auschwitz commander Rudolf H�ss,
based on his confession which was written in English, a language he
never spoke.


5,000,000

Source: Cited on April 20, 1978 by the French daily, Le Monde. Also
cited on January 23, 1995 by the German daily Die Welt. By September
1, 1989, Le Monde reduced the figure to 1,433,000.


4,500,000

Source: In 1945 this figure was cited by another witness at the
aforementioned H�ss trial.


4,000,000

Source: Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially
acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial. This figure was also
reported in The New York Times on April 18, 1945, although 50 years
later on January 26, 1995, The New York Times and The Washington Post
slashed the figure to 1,500,000 citing new findings by the Auschwitz
Museum officials. In fact, the figure of 4,000,000 was later
repudiated by the Auschwitz museum officials in 1990 but the figure of
1,500,000 victims was not formally announced by Polish President Lech
Walesa until five years after the Auschwitz historians had first
announced their discovery.


3,500,000

Source: Cited in the 1991 edition of the Dictionary of the French
Language and by Claude Lanzmann in 1980 in his introduction to Filip
Muller's book, Three Years in an Auschwitz Gas Chamber.


3,000,000

Source: Cited in a forced confession by Rudolf H�ss, the Auschwitz
commander who said this was the number of those who had died at
Auschwitz prior to Dec. 1, 1943. Later cited in the June 7, 1993 issue
of Heritage, the most widely read Jewish newspaper in California, even
though three years previously the authorities at the Auschwitz museum
had scaled down the figure to a minimum of 1,100,000 and a maximum of
1,500,000. (see below).


2,500,000

Source: Cited by Rudolf Vrba (an author of various fraudulent accounts
of events he claims to have witnessed at Auschwitz) when he testified
on July 16, 1981 for the Israeli government's war crimes trial of
former SS official Adolf Eichmann.


2,000,000

Source: Cited by Leon Poliakov (1951) writing in Harvest of Hate;
Georges Wellers, writing in 1973 in The Yellow Star at the Time of
Vichy; and Lucy Dawidowicz, writing in 1975 in The War Against the
Jews.


2,000,000 to 4,000,000

Source: Cited by Yehuda Bauer in 1982 in his book, A History of the
Holocaust. However, by 1989 Bauer revised his figure to 1,600,000.


1,600,000

Source: This is a 1989 revision by Yehuda Bauer of his earlier figure
in 1982 of 2,000,000 to 4,000,000, Bauer cited this new figure on
September 22, 1989 in The Jerusalem Post, at which time he wrote "The
larger figures have been dismissed for years, except that it hasn't
reached the public yet."


1,500,000

Source: In 1995 this was the number of Auschwitz deaths announced by
Polish President Lech Walesa as determined by those at the Auschwitz
museum. This number was inscribed on the monument at the Auschwitz
camp at that time, thereby "replacing" the earlier 4,000,000 figure
that had been formally repudiated (and withdrawn from the monument)
five years earlier in 1990. At that time, on July 17, 1990 The
Washington Times reprinted a brief article from The London Daily
Telegraph citing the "new" figure of 1,500,000 that had been
determined by the authorities at the Auschwitz museum. This new figure
was reported two years later in a UPI report published in the New York
Post on March 26, 1992. On January 26, 1995 both The Washington Post
and The New York Times cited this 1,500,000 figure as the new
"official" figure (citing the Auschwitz Museum authorities).


1,471,595

Source: This is a 1983 figure cited by Georges Wellers who (as noted
previously) had determined, writing in 1973, that some 2,000,000 had
died.


1,433,000

Source: This figure was cited on September 1, 1989 by the French
daily, Le Monde, which earlier, on April 20, 1978, had cited the
figure at 4,000,000.


1,250,000

Source: In the book, The Destruction of the European Jews, by Raul
Hilberg (1985).


1,100,000 to 1,500,000

Source: Sources for this estimate are Yisrael Gutman and Michael
Berenbaum in their 1984 book, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp.
This estimate was later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of
the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on
September 8, 1998. The upper figure of 1,500,000 is (the new)
"official" figure as now inscribed at Auschwitz, with the earlier
figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from the memorial at the site
of the former concentration camp.


1,000,000

Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, writing in his 1989 book Auschwitz:
Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers. This is interesting since
he wrote his book to repudiate so-called "Holocaust deniers" who were
called that precisely because they had questioned the numbers of those
who had died at Auschwitz.


900,000

Source: Reported on August 3, 1990 11, by Aufbau, a Jewish newspaper
in New York.


800,000 to 900,000

Source: Reported by Gerald Reitlinger in his book, The Final Solution.


775,000 to 800,000

Source: Jean-Claude Pressac's revised figure, put forth in his 1993
book, The Crematoria of Auschwitz: The Mass Murder's Machinery,
scaling down his earlier claim of 1,000,000 dead.


630,000 to 710,000

Source: In 1994 Pressac scaled his figure down somewhat further; this
is the figure cited in the German language translation of Pressac's
1993 book originally published in French. Again, this is substantially
less than Pressac's 1989 figure of 1,000,000.


135,000 to 140,000

Source: This is an estimate based on documents held by the
International Tracing Service of the Red Cross. It is known that
International Tracing Service has a complete set of registration
documents. This is thought to include a complete set of roll-call data
which includes twice daily tallies of those who died. Although the
International Tracing Service of the Red Cross has such records, they
have never officially published an accurate count of those who died,
or even an accurate report as to exactly which documents they hold.
However, totals from these records have been obtained by various
interested parties.

The estimate of 135,500 is roughly corroborated by the "Auschwitz
death books." The death books themselves are wartime German camp
records, which were captured by the Soviets towards the end of the
war, and hidden in Soviet achieves, until released to the Red Cross in
1989.

The death books consist of 46 volumes which document each death at
Auschwitz (each death certificate consists of the deceased person's
full name, profession and religion, date and place of birth,
pre-Auschwitz residence, parents' names, time of death, and cause of
death as determined by a camp physician). The records for the most
important years, 1942 and 1943, are almost complete (there are also a
few volumes for the year 1941, but none for the year 1944 or January
1945 (when Auschwitz was evacuated)).

The Auschwitz death books contain the death certificates of some
69,000 individuals, of whom about 30,000 were listed as Jews.

Using all available wartime records from the various camps it has been
estimated that between 400,000 and 500,000 people died in the German
concentration camp system (from all causes).

END
===

I was inspired to repost this after the media initially estimated the
death toll on the WTC attack to be as high as 50,000 people.


AUSCHWITZ: The Death Count:

Recently the official Auschwitz death count has been very quietly,
some might say surreptitiously, reduced from four million to one
million dead Jews...or a seventy-five percent reduction... or an over
all reduction of fifty percent from six million to three million.
Strangly I haven't heard any rejoicing over the miraculous survival
of three million, formerly dead Jews -- have you?

It seems the 'holy' number of six million refuses to disappear. Truly
the total is greater than the sum of the parts...a veritable miracle!
Or are the expects just mathematically challenged ? Here is what
prompted the sudden reduction of Holocaust casualties. With the
dissolution of the former Soviet Union in 1991 the captured German
records of the Auschwitz industrial complex were released by the
Russians. Included were the 'Death Books', some 73 or 74 bound
volumes. Containing the death certificates and examining doctors'
reports on all deaths in the industrial complex.

The following figures should be of interest:

The camp closed in January of 1945.

The total death count was 73,137.

Of these 47,539 died from typhus (which the Jewish partisans bragged
that they had a hand in the introduction into the camps as part of
their war effort).

25,598 Died of 'natural' causes, (including suicide, execution for
sabotage, murder, theft of food and the like).

38,031 were listed as Jews on the death rolls.

END

===============================

I survived the Holohoax; now give me my damn money.

Holocaust Survivors Owed Billions - Study
http://rense.com/general75/denifal.htm

Holocaust survivors are still owed as much as $175 billion in
reparations, according to a new study.

The Jewish Political Studies Review in Jerusalem said European nations
had promised $3.4 billion in reparations, but only half of that had
been paid by 2005.

Only about 20 percent of Jewish assets have been returned overall,
according to the study, which was made public last Friday by Reuters.

The study said payments slowed after the United States stopped
pressuring Europe on restitution.

Holocaust survivors, many of them poor, are frustrated with the lack
of payments.

"Things are moving much too slowly," said Menachem Rosensaft,
founder of the International Network of Children of Jewish Holocaust
Survivors.

The Claims Conference said it would not comment on the report.
http://jta.org:80/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=6540

Palestinian Holocaust Museum offends Israelis
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine47.html

According tro a report published in the Los Angeles Times, March 16,
2001, "Snapshots, slingshots and other mementos at a West Bank exhibit
tell the stories of 100 people killed in the territories by Israelis."

With hundreds of "Holocaust" museum exhibits concerning Jewish
suffering from more than a half century ago open world-wide, the
planet's only exhibit dedicated to the victims of the Israelis is
facing harsh criticism. The LA Times reports that "Israeli critics say
the (Palestinian) exhibit is part of an effort to manipulate the
memory of the dead and portray Israelis as child-killers."

The exhibit displays the tan hiking boots once worn by Mohammed Durra,
a murdered 12-year-old. There is also the "roughly carved slingshot"
of a Palestinian boy, Fares Odeh, who used it to fling stones at
Israeli tanks, until he was shot in the neck. There is also unfinished
embroidery that Rahma Hindi, 54, was working on before she was killed
by an Israeli missile.

The tiny museum is funded by the Ford Foundation, and is intended to
help visitors remember the victims of Israeli power. "Why should they
remain anonymous?" asked Adila Laidi, director of the temporary
exhibit.

The Times reports that, "The exhibit, which opened in Ramallah in mid-
February and was expected to run for only two weeks, is now in its
fourth week thanks to hundreds of visitors. Organizers plan to take
their show to six cities in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, then on to
Jordan, Egypt and Europe.

"Laidi defended the show, saying: 'When many of these people died,
their mothers, friends and relatives did not have a chance to grieve.
This gives them an opportunity for closure."

The victims are catalogued in a 208-page dossier that the staff of the
nonprofit organization compiled. The report reflects the conditions
for Palestinians--many of the deceased lived in cramped and shoddy
refugee camps. Some of the victims were indigent.

Some of the people were killed by Israeli troops. But Harald Fischer,
a German, perished when an Israeli rocket detonated on him as he tried
to help his Palestinian neighbors. Then there is Bassam Bilbeissi, an
ambulance driver who was killed when he he tried to rescue 12 year old
Durra. His paramedic's uniform is part of the display. He leaves
behind 12 children.

...
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." -- what a big fat lie that turned out to be.



















































































































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In article <gvc4m91c1n5kmtmk0...@4ax.com>,
William Gigantus <bigw...@shtc.net> wrote:

> Source: This is an estimate based on documents held by the
> International Tracing Service of the Red Cross.

This is a very, very old lie. The Red Cross never offered
any estimate for the number of victims, and as it repeatedly
stated, it never had access to information which would have
allowed to estimate this number. See their reply below (item 4).

As to the number of victims, some documentary evidence; you
can find more in the train and deportation records.

1) In a report submitted to Himmler in May 1943, SS Sturmbannfuehrer
Franke-Gricksch wrote that so far 500,000 Jews have been murdered
in Auschwitz. The entire report can be found, e.g., in "Hitler
and the Final Solution", G. Fleming, University of California
Press 1984, p. 142-14 (this is 1943, remember, and the camp
continued to operate until January 1945).

2) In a memo written on September 8 1942, Kurt Prufer of the
firm "Topf and Sons" stated that Auschwitz officials are not
satisfied with a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day,
and "we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible".
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

Can you explain why a capacity of 2,650 corpses per *day*
was not sufficient for *one* camp?

3) The work assignment reports from the summer and autumn
of 1944 list up to 900 workers manning the camp's crematoriums
in full day and night shifts:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/labor-force/19440728/

900 workers, assigned to corpse disposal, in one camp. What
do you think this can mean?

4) The Red Cross stated -- in the clearest manner possible --
that it never had access to documentation which concerns
the total number of victims of the Holocaust, and that
it never tried to estimate this number:

"Consequently the ICRC considers it must make clear the fact that
it has never published -- or even compiled -- statistics of this kind
which are being falsely attributed to it. The work of the ICRC is to
help war victims, not to count them. In any case, how could its
delegates have obtained data for such statistics? They were able to
enter only a few concentration camps, and then only in the final days
of the war. Everything the ICRC tried to do for the inmates of those
camps, and what it finally managed to do, is related in its report
entitled 'The Work of the ICRC for Civilian Detainees in German
Concentration Camps from 1939 to 1945' (available in English, French
and German).

The same propaganda scheme has recently been making use of other
figures, namely the number of deaths recorded by the International
Tracing Service on the basis of documents found when the camps were
closed. Obviously this number bears no relation -- though the authors
of the propaganda pretend otherwise -- to the total deaths in
concentration camps; firstly because a considerable quantity of
documentary material was destroyed before the departure of the Nazi
administration, and secondly because many deaths were never recorded,
such as those which occurred in the extermination camps where records
were generally not kept."

Source: Bulletin No. 25 of the International Committee of the Red
Cross, 1 February 1978.


Cordially, Q.

TallHenry

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In article <ljtdhe$3m4$1...@pcls7.std.com>, HQ <hq-ob...@xxx.yyy>
wrote (to trailer-trash reject "William Gigantus"):

> 2) In a memo written on September 8 1942, Kurt Prufer of the
> firm "Topf and Sons" stated that Auschwitz officials are not
> satisfied with a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day,
> and "we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible".
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/
>
> Can you explain why a capacity of 2,650 corpses per *day*
> was not sufficient for *one* camp?
>
> 3) The work assignment reports from the summer and autumn
> of 1944 list up to 900 workers manning the camp's crematoriums
> in full day and night shifts:
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/labor-force/19440728/
>
> 900 workers, assigned to corpse disposal, in one camp. What
> do you think this can mean?

Are you bloody kidding? You're asking willy minimus about
numbers such as 2,650 and 900? Hell man, once you've gone
beyond 10 (or 20, if he's barefoot at the time), you've
lost him.

William Gigantus

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On Thu, 1 May 2014 12:09:18 +0000 (UTC), HQ <hq-ob...@xxx.yyy>
wrote:

>In article <gvc4m91c1n5kmtmk0...@4ax.com>,
>William Gigantus <bigw...@shtc.net> wrote:
>
>> Source: This is an estimate based on documents held by the
>> International Tracing Service of the Red Cross.
>
>This is a very, very old lie. ...<snip>

Yeah, I know, but it's not as old as you think.

Events that really happened are seldom denied.

I don't see anyone denying the Battle of the Bulge, the Sinking of the
Hood, or the Ass-kicking at Dunkirk - things that a lot of people wish
didn't happen, and plausibly would like to strike from the history
books and forget.

George Orwell, in all of his books and articles, never mentioned a
Holocaust of any kind or a specific or general Jewish plight. Racial
genocide is something Orwell would have known about and written about,
if it had happened.


Battle of the Bulge Remembered 60 Years Later
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2004/n12142004_2004121406.html.


Battle of the Denmark Strait, 24 May 1941 -- Sinking of HMS Hood
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-atl/batlt-41/bismk-c3.htm


Allied Defeat in the North: Retreat to Dunkirk
http://www.onwar.com/maps/wwii/blitz/1fdunkirk40.htm


Retro-Active History

Of the great Holocaust
Orwell didn't have a clue?
He died in 'Forty-nine
So this theory could be true:
The Holocaust happened
Around Nineteen Sixty-two


HOUSE OF ORWELL
http://www.faem.com/stano/houseof.htm
by Joseph G. Stano

The lavish, highly emotional reporting by the news media on the
opening of a new Holocaust Museum in New York City stands as a classic
example of Orwellian "doublethink," defined by George Orwell as
"...the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind
simultaneously, and accepting both of them." In this case, while
endlessly professing a passionate dedication to freedom of speech and
freedom of the press, the whole of the news media has routinely
censored any challenge to any part of that massive, undocumented,
unproven, and in some cases scientifically impossible, collection of
tall tales known as the Holocaust. Like the tyrannical "Party" in
Orwell's "1984", the "Holocausters can "...make the laws of nature."
And do it with the full support of the entire media.

It is a tactical blunder to build another Holocaust Museum at this
late date, when the Holocaust as presented to the American people by
the media has been long abandoned by some of its most ardent
supporters. Even the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Israel has long
abandoned the Holocaust that is fed to the American public daily -- if
not hourly -- by the whole of the American media. A cowardly news
media routinely censors well-documented history for "Hollywood
History."

As with Orwell's "Minitrue" (Ministry of Truth), the American news
media's "Memory Holes" are operating at full capacity. With each
passing year there is an ever increasing amount of "not newsworthy"
embarrassing truths to be shoved down media Memory Holes.
Unfortunately, these truths keep on coming back up!

Some of the not newsworthy "unmentionables" that simply won't stay
down:

Way back in 1960 the Yad Vashem was forced to acknowledge that there
were no "death camps" or "gas chambers" in all of Western Europe or
all of the German Reich, since all of these camps had been open to
inspection by scholars and scientists, and all of these camps were
determined to have been "work camps."

This presented several problems:

First of all, the United States executed more than 450 Germans, "In
the name of the United States and the American people." A great many
of whom were executed for operating "Death Camps" and "Gas Chambers"
in Western Europe and Germany -- where they didn't exist! To put it
mildly, this is a rather dishonorable page to add to the history of a
nation that professes to believe in justice.

Second problem: Five of the fabulous six million had been parceled out
to all the camps in Western Europe and Germany, with only one million
allotted to camps behind the Iron Curtain in Poland.

Orwellian solution: Simply pick up the 5 million mythical victims and
their mythical gas chambers and throw them over the Iron Curtain into
Poland where nosey scholars and scientists aren't allowed to go.

Or, in Orwellian arithmetic: Five from six equals six! Overnight,
Auschwitz went from "almost a million" to "four and a half million." A
rather astonishing fact that the whole of the American news media
found "not newsworthy." As would a declaration by the Holocausters
that the world was flat and the moon was a green cheese.

George Orwell called this Holocausters exercise "black-white,"or "the
ability to impudently claim that black is white in contradiction of
the plain facts."

The news media's response was perfect Orwellian "doublethink": A
groveling, servile acceptance of "the mutability of the past and the
denial of objective reality." Broken on the Holocaust wheel, for the
news media 6 minus 5 was now 6.

When execution expert Fred Leuchter went to Poland -- believing in the
Holocaust -- to examine the alleged "gas chambers," he found them to
be scientifically impossible. In fact, they were quite ridiculous.
However, to be certain, he took 20 forensic samples at all the alleged
"gas chambers." An independent laboratory in Massachusetts tested
these samples and confirmed his expert opinion that all the alleged
"gas chambers" had never been "gas chambers."

Professional Holocausters, the ubiquitous Karsfelds, were outraged and
demanded that the prestigious Krakow institute of Forensic Research in
Poland repeat the same tests and prove Mr. Leuchter was wrong. The
head of the institute led the team of scientists that took the samples
from the same places as Leuchter and they got precisely the same
results: no gas chambers! From the formerly loquacious and demanding
Karsfelds: SILENCE!

Both sides of the "gas chambers" issue got precisely the same
scientific results. If we were living in a free country where freedom
of speech and freedom of the press abound, the issue of "gas chambers"
would have been settled. Our free press would have fearlessly informed
the public of the truth. In George Orwell's tyranny of "Oceania," the
truth would have been a "Thoughtcrime." In our tyranny, the truth is
called "Anti-Semitic." In both tyrannies the craven news media cowers
in terror.

When forced to defend the ridiculous and impossible tales on file at
the Yad Vashem, the director stated that of the 20,000 testimonies of
"Holocaust survivors" that he had on file, at least half of them were
"unreliable." When pressed to define "unreliable," he said they simply
weren't true. In trying to justify these tall tales, he said "these
Jews wanted to be part of history so they invented tales or they
repeated tales they had heard."

Charming! These "unreliable" tales routinely appear in the news media
as holy writ and they are part of the Holocaust courses taught in our
schools. In Orwell's "Oceania," it's citizenry was routinely
indoctrinated with a daily "Two Minute Hate." American kids get a full
"One Hour Hate" in their schools, where they are taught to hate
Germans based on outrageous lies that even the Yad Vashem has
rejected.

We have executed people based on these "unreliable" tales and we expel
elderly people based on these "unreliable" tales whose only crime
might be serving their nation on the losing side of the Second World
War, or fighting the efforts of the Soviet juggernaut to overrun
Europe. More disgrace and dishonor for our unfortunate nation.

At long last, the Polish director of the Holocaust Museum at Auschwitz
has admitted something scientists and scholars had known for many
years: the infamous "gas chamber" shown the tourists at Auschwitz is a
complete fraud. lt was created out of an existing mortuary for all the
Jewish tourists who were demanding to see a "gas chamber."

The infamous Auschwitz "Death Camp" and all of its bizarre horrors
specifically created for the tourist trade will end up as a kind of
"Disneyland of the Doomed," where Jewish tourists can wallow in pure
Hollywood and call it history.

Recently, the Yad Vashem has tried to establish some credibility
amongst historians who have finally worked up the courage to challenge
all the many and varied tall tales and tourist exhibits. In a bold
move -- that only took fifty years -- the Yad Vashem has disavowed all
the tales of "human soap," and "lamp shades," and all the fantastic
products allegedly manufactured out of Jews.

In short, they obliterated a huge and profitable industry created by
an army of amateur and professional Holocausters. Gone are the little
bags of human fertilizer and the stuffing for mattresses. Gone are the
infinite variety of human leather products sold to a gullible public.
Like combat boots, belts, wallets, riding boots, purses, leather
riding jodhpurs, cavalry saddles and, lest we forget, driving gloves
made for the SS out of Jewish babies who were skinned alive. Remember,
these tales were only limited by the imagination of the Jew who
"wanted to be a part of history." I say, let them be judged by the
tales they created in the hate-filled filth between their ears. Like
Olga Lengyel of Five Chimneys of Auschwitz fame. Our charming Olga
created an industry at Auschwitz where Jews were turned
into...SAUSAGES!

Former New York City Mayor Ed Koch, who was instrumental in erecting
New York's very own house of Holocaust horrors for all the tourists,
created an industry where the terrible Germans chopped off all the
fingers of Jews and used them as electrical switches. Koch's tale
added, considerably to his stature as one of the most silly and
insufferable asses on the planet earth.

Not to worry, the body factories may be dead and buried at the Yad
Vashem, but the industry is booming in the United States. It's even a
growth industry where new and more fantastic tales pop up daily. Koch
may continue to flick his "finger switches" far into the future. I
wonder if he can think up an industrial use for all the private parts
that have obviously been removed from the entire American news media?
Orwellian maxim: The heresy of all heresies in a tyranny is common
sense. Ed "Fingers" Koch will never be a heretic.

The fall of the Soviet Union was a disaster for the Holocaust
business. The Russians turned over to the International Red Cross all
the German "Death Registers" they had seized in 1944 when they overran
Auschwitz in 1944. The Germans, with typical German efficiency, had
scrupulously documented all the deaths at Auschwitz. Not four and a
half million. Not even one million. It was slightly over 74,000 in
total. And that included everyone -- even the German staff -- who had
died at Auschwitz.

For the Holocaust researcher it can be quite amusing. It seems the
cruel and uncaring Germans recorded the name of every person who died
at Auschwitz; the maiden name of the person's mother -- a necessity in
identifying Jews having the same names; the town the person came from;
the reason for the death and other pertinent information. An effort
was even made to return the ashes of the deceased to his relative's.
With the water table at Auschwitz approaching that of a bog, cremation
was the only option. Jews have made much of cremation, a common
practice in Germany, without explaining what the Germans were supposed
to do with the dead when burial was impossible.

Recently, carefully labeled boxes of human ashes were discovered at
one of the crematoriums. I had a good laugh watching the professional
Holocausters lying through their teeth and rather nervously professing
absolute bewilderment as to why the Germans had so carefully preserved
the ashes of some Jews. A perfect non sequitur and a perfect Orwellian
denial of objective reality: "doublethink."

Simple justice demands that the Jews should be judged by the weight of
the lies they have lumbered on the German people. The greater, the
more vicious, the more vile the lie, the more loathsome the liar. I
defy anyone to find a litany of more vile, vicious and sadistic lies
in the pages of history.

At one time there were 19 slabs with raised letters in 19 languages
telling of the more than 4 million victims that died at Auschwitz.
Thanks to the efforts of the Polish Historical Society, the slabs at
Auschwitz have now had this bit of "Hollywood History" chipped off
them. A victory for historical truth in the Holocaust "numbers game!"

The Holocaust "numbers game" has been truly remarkable. I've kept tabs
on it over the past twenty years. Here are some of the claims by
professional Holocausters of the number of Jews killed by the terrible
Germans: Fifty million. 41 million, 36 million (Olga Lengyel), 26
million, 25 million (Kurt Gerstein and Oswald Pohl, both under
torture), 18 million, 12 million (Jew claim at the United Nations) and
the ever popular 6 million.

It's amusing to note that the cowardly and cringing American news
media have been given permission by the Holocausters to refer to the
"1.1" or "1.5" million victims at Auschwitz, "most of whom were Jews."
The 4.5 million has been dropped and no one in the entire American
news media noticed the horrendous crash. Pure Orwellian "Crimestop" as
practiced by the American news media: "The faculty of stopping short,
as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought."
Indeed, it would have been a serious "Thoughtcrime" and very
"Anti-Semitic" of the news media to notice anything.

The stampede is now on and a great many famous professional
Holocausters are desperately trying to salvage something of their
reputations by abandoning the fabulous 6 million for a number far
below 1 million. Even if we believe the 1.1 or the 1.5 million figure
imposed on the news media -- the truth is far below that -- it means
that even the most dedicated of professional Holocausters now
acknowledge that at least 3 million, half the Holocaust, never
happened!

For those who are not afraid to think, here are some rational numbers:
The Holocausters have forever claimed that Jews represented 20 percent
of all the prisoners in the Concentration Camps. Not true, it was
never that high. But, just for the sake of argument, let's use their
numbers.

Jews claim 3 million survivors and 6 million deaths for a total of 9
million Jews in the camps. If the Jews constituted 20 percent of the
prisoners in the camps, there must have been 45 million people in the
camps! Ya gotta be kidding, that's almost the pre-war population of
Italy and greater than the pre-war population of France. These are
numbers that only a bloomin' idiot could believe.

O.K. let's try it again: The Germans were signatories of the Geneva
Convention, so the International Red Cross had access to and inspected
ALL Concentration Camps throughout the war. I repeat, ALL THE CAMPS.
And they didn't see any policy of killing anyone. Nor did they see any
"gas chambers." According to the IRC the total number of deaths in the
camps did not exceed 300,000. The Germans claimed the number of deaths
at 250,000. With the fall of the Soviet Union the IRC was given access
to the "Death Registers" that the Russians had seized when they
overran the Concentration Camps. Having consulted the Death Registers,
the IRC revised the numbers of deaths in the camps down to 273,000. If
we accept the 20 percent figure claimed by the Holocausters, not more
than 55,000 Jews died in all the camps- NOT SIX MILLION!

Recently, the Holocausters forced the IRC to confess that they didn't
report all the abuse of Jews in the camps for fear that the Germans
might deny them access to the camps, or even overrun Switzerland. (Not
very likely.)

For those who can still think, that means that -- at long last -- the
Holocausters have acknowledged the fact that the IRC had access to all
the Concentration Camps during the war; had inspected all the camps
during the war; and the IRC knew of the conditions that existed in all
the camps during the war. In short, an acknowledgment of the expertise
of the IRC on the subject of Concentration Camps.

By forcing the IRC to confess to a "moral failure" by not reporting
any abuse of Jews in the camps, the Holocausters have no choice but to
accept the IRC's number of deaths in the camps at 273,000. Having
certified the IRC as experts in the matter the Holocausters are stuck
with their experts' findings.

Or, as George (Orwell) would have put it: "The heresy of all heresies
in a tyranny is common sense."

It's little wonder that those who instruct the Holocaust in our
schools and universities here in the United States stand basic
scholarship on its head by absolutely refusing to defend, in a free
and open debate, the course they are teaching. I know, I've challenged
the boys in the Holocaust business and watched them disappear in a
cloud of dust. Clearly a confirmation that they are teaching rubbish
that can't be defended.

The Holocaust is alleged to be history. How could it be? There are
literally thousands of subjects: civilizations, nations, peoples,
cultures and countless events that dedicated historians research,
carefully document and turn into thick tomes. Only when these tomes
are subjected to peer review, wherein every fact not proven is
challenged and adequately defended, can these tomes be regarded as
history.

This is not the exception, this is the norm. One cannot deny that
every facet of science is routinely challenged and must be proven.
Even the nebulous subject of religion is open to debate and there are
those who will passionately defend the impossibilities of the "Garden
of Eden," Noah and his bobbing ark, and Jonah and his bloomin' whale.
In defense of the impossible, the British Flat Earth Society still
fights on and they have even devised a rather sophisticated
mathematical formula to prove the earth is flat. A formula that has
puzzled some scientists because it seems to work! In a free society
where persons are allowed to think, one can question and challenge,
defend and attack, absolutely everything and anything in a search for
the truth. The non-debatable Holocaust stands quite alone as an
aberration and cannot claim any authenticity whatsoever. Even the Flat
Earth Society with their strange formula and their willingness to
defend their case presents more proof than the Holocausters case that
can be challenged with simple arithmetic. This latest Holocaust Museum
in New York City constitutes a frantic effort to substitute cement for
substance in the Holocaust, as if one can successfully prop up
outrageous lies with brick and mortar.

Even the best efforts of the American news media to censor the truth
will ultimately fail and the American people will see the Holocaust
for what it is: a monumental swindle lasting over fifty years, in
which the Jews have profited politically, financially and even
sadistically when our government punished, and even executed, hundreds
of innocent people based on lies.

From the very outset the Holocaust was a swindle. Justification for
the creation of a Jewish state was based on the Jewish contention that
Jews could not live in safety anywhere in Europe after the nations of
Europe permitted the Germans to establish "death camps" and "gas
chambers" in every European state. That's why 5 of the fabulous 6
million victims were originally spread across Western Europe to lumber
guilt on western nations and prove a case for an independent Jewish
state. The State of Israel was created on a foundation of lies and to
profit from lies is clearly a swindle. To swindle the world and gain a
nation is clearly the greatest swindle in history.

One must take note of the fact that all systems of law around the
globe share a common rejection of the retention of wealth or property
gained by dishonest means. The members of the United Nations were all
swindled when they created the State of Israel based on the lies of
the Holocaust. All nations that voted to create the State of Israel
now share the guilt of having taken lands from the unfortunate
Palestinian people based on lies. Empirical reasoning dictates that if
the U.N. had the power to "create" the State of Israel, the U.N. has
the power to "un-create" the State of Israel.

The solution to all the problems in the Middle East requires nothing
more than a U.N. vote to make Jerusalem an International City -- as it
should have been -- and the return of all Palestinian lands to their
rightful owners.

Of course, our craven, groveling politicians will probably veto
justice for the Palestinian people at the U.N. until the crumbling
House of Orwell comes crashing down under the weight of its outrageous
lies.

When this Holocaust house of lies collapses, the Jews of the United
States will earn the contempt and disgust of the American people for
having prayed on their kindness and compassion for power and profit,
while involving them in the punishment and even death of innocent
persons.

The Jews will certainly earn the anger of the American people with the
realization that generations of American children were taught hatred
and bigotry in their schools for the sadistic pleasure of Jews. Lest
the people forget, the American public will have all the tax supported
Holocaust Museums across this nation as constant reminders of the
greatest swindle in history.

I'm afraid the backlash will be awesome and it will encompass all Jews
living in the United States and most nations around the globe. It's
ironic, Jews who have eagerly practiced the collective punishment of
the German people for fun and profit for more than fifty years will
now endure the collective punishment of the world.

The Holocaust was limited only by the imagination of those creating
it, sustained by nothing more than the magic word "anti-Semitic" and
the willingness of the whole of the American media to censor the
truth. The backlash will certainly target the whole of the American
media, lowering all media types even further -- if that's possible --
in the eyes of the American people.

(This article was copied from the December 1997 issue of Liberty Bell,
POB 21, Reedy WV 25270.)









HQ

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In article <o445m9pmuvo7tb6m8...@4ax.com>,
William Gigantus <bigw...@shtc.net> wrote:

>> This is a very, very old lie. ...<snip>

> Yeah, I know, but it's not as old as you think.

It's quite an old lie, as is the rest of your article.
Nothing new in Holocaust denial for 20 years at least.

> Events that really happened are seldom denied.

Not true. The Turks and the Japanese routinely deny a lot
of stuff they did during WW1/WW2 respectively, and there
are other examples.

Now, if you want to deal with the facts, you can start with
the following, which you simply deleted from my previous
post. It's just a tiny sample, and it only concerns
Auschwitz, but it's a start:

1) In a report submitted to Himmler in May 1943, SS Sturmbannfuehrer
Franke-Gricksch wrote that so far 500,000 Jews have been murdered
in Auschwitz. The entire report can be found, e.g., in "Hitler
and the Final Solution", G. Fleming, University of California
Press 1984, p. 142-14 (this is 1943, remember, and the camp
continued to operate until January 1945).

2) In a memo written on September 8 1942, Kurt Prufer of the
firm "Topf and Sons" stated that Auschwitz officials are not
satisfied with a cremation capacity of 2,650 corpses per day,
and "we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible".
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

Can you explain why a capacity of 2,650 corpses per *day*
was not sufficient for *one* camp?

3) The work assignment reports from the summer and autumn
of 1944 list up to 900 workers manning the camp's crematoriums
in full day and night shifts:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/labor-force/19440728/

900 workers, assigned to corpse disposal, in one camp. What
do you think this can mean?


Cordially, Q.

The Revd

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In article <o445m9pmuvo7tb6m8...@4ax.com>,
William Gigantus <bigw...@shtc.net> wrote:

[flush]

Dear shiteating "Holocaust revisionists",

With your permission, one simple question... WHY deny?

Why deny the ONLY endeavor of your shiteating fuhrer
which was, relatively speaking, successful?

Let us look at what Shitler tried to achieve, and what
he succeeded in achieving.

He tried to conquer the world -- and his country was
devastated, occupied, and its history tainted forever.

He wanted a "Thousand Year Reich" -- and it lasted four
miserable years.

He tried to push the commies away from Europe -- and
eventually he brought them into Europe for 50 years.

He tried to nurture "Aryan Pride" -- and he ended up
bringing millions of Soviets dicks into the bodily
orifices of German women.

He tried to exterminate the Jews of Europe -- and, in
that at least, he was to a large extent successful.

Yet, you insist on denying the Holocaust... why? Why is it
that you are so determined to rob the crazy shiteater from
his ONLY achievement? Isn't he, after all, your fuhrer?

Dear shiteaters -- it just does not make sense.

William Gigantus

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REPEAT: Events that really happened are seldom denied.

Sink The Bismark

(Johnny Horton and Tilman Franks)

In May of nineteen forty-one the war had just begun
The Germans had the biggest ship that had the biggest guns
The Bismark was the fastest ship that ever sailed the seas
On her deck were guns as big as steers and shells as big as trees

Out of the cold and foggy night came the British ship the Hood
And every British seaman, he knew and understood
They had to sink the Bismark, the terror of the sea
Stop those guns as big as steers and those shells as big as trees

We'll find that German battleship that's makin' such a fuss
We gotta sink the Bismark 'cause the world depends on us
Hit the decks a-runnin' boys and spin those guns around
When we find the Bismark we gotta cut her down

The Hood found the Bismark and on that fatal day
The Bismark started firin' fifteen miles away
We gotta sink the Bismark was the battle sound
But when the smoke had cleared away
The mighty Hood went down ...

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In article <s555m99vg9fmeive9...@4ax.com>,
William Gigantus <bigw...@shtc.net> wrote:

> REPEAT: Events that really happened are seldom denied.

REPEAT: your claim is false.

Cordially, Q.

William Gigantus

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On Thu, 1 May 2014 18:34:28 +0000 (UTC), HQ <hq-ob...@xxx.yyy>
wrote:
Is there a statute-of-limitations on the Holocaust? How many
more phucking years do we have to put up with it?

Will there ever come a day when Jews are held accountable for
murder like the rest of us?

I won't see it in my lifetime, but will my children's children ever
see a time of "equal justice for all?"

Will my great grandson be able to call a Jew a liar without getting
fired from his job, or worse?

Will life forever be psyOped by Jews?

If not, how much longer?

I want to pencil it in on my calendar.

HQ

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In article <bm55m9hbhvjk29b5s...@4ax.com>,
> Is there a statute-of-limitations on the Holocaust? How many
> more phucking years do we have to put up with it?

Just answer questions 1-3 above... thank you.

Cordially, Q.

The Revd

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But minimus willy can't. He even consulted his brother, sister,
aunt, mother, father, grandfather and uncle, and all three
of them could not help either.

William Gigantus

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It doesn't make sense to me why Jews would pretend their *fictitious*
children got shot to subvert our Bill of Rights.

Hitler warned us about Jews. Thank you, Adolph.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Hitler was right
About the Jew

They start all the wars
They make us their whores
They call us their "cattle"
While we fight *their* battle


Pentagon JEW
http://www.911missinglinks.com/

Murdered with DEW
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/

Here is your CLUE:

Another Mystery Solved ... Simon Says: "Let's Roll."
http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims.htm

"If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower."
-- Adolph Hitler, Landsberg, 5 November 1925
http://www.hitler.org/

If Hitler had won there would be no Communism, no Zionism, no New
World Order, no Committee on Foreign Relations, no Bilderberg Group,
no Carlyle Group, no group sex, no 9-11's, no income tax, and no
corporate-military warpigs gassing us to death slowly with
chemtrails. ...

...and no Hebrew Homeland Security state-sponsored psyOps.

It's a Jewish thing ... we Goyim just don't understand.

====== From the "Hebrew Psy Op" file ======

Actors in Sandy Hook hoax are identified - 100% Jewish
http://www.examiner.com/article/actors-sandy-hook-hoax-are-identified

At the Sandy Hook shooting, we know there was no video, no photos, no
ambulance at the scene, no injured people, no bodies, no tears from
interviewed parents, friends and neighbors who turned out to be
actors, and the fire truck parked outside the school had a Detroit
sign on it.

Bizarre doesn�t begin to describe it. The victims are not children
from the school; the victims are all Americans from whom the
government is trying to take away their Second Amendment rights .

What appears to be a gigantic hoax, perpetrated by the government at
Sandy Hook, laid the groundwork for massive calls for gun control,
which, of course, will lead to gun confiscation. In an alarming
coincidence, just two weeks before, Attorney General Eric Holder
visited the Connecticut governor and launched Project Longevity, a
project for gun control against violence. How convenient.

Who would participate in this and why?

We now know the identities of at least two of the interviewed parents
at Sandy Hook. Nick and Laura Phelps were interviewed by Wolf Blitzer
of CNN. In the video Nick says they are outraged at the murders and
upset that the principal of the school was murdered. In the video,
you�ll see that he �says� they are outraged but doesn�t �portray�
outrage. As with all the interviews, there are no tears. He indicates
that the principal, Dawn Hochsprung, was a special person, and all the
parents knew that. I am definitely not expecting an Oscar nomination
for his performance as the mourning Nick Phelps. Nick looks as upset
as someone whose goldfish just floated to the top of the bowl.

In reality, the wife�s real name is Jennifer Greenberg Sexton,
daughter of Maurice Raymond Greenberg and her husband, Richard Sexton.
You can see in the photos, at the top of the article, that they are
indeed husband and wife, but they don�t live in Sandy Hook. They have
two daughters, Samantha and Emily. If you need to see more about
Jennifer and her extended family, some of whom are also actors at
Sandy Hook, click here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfScPPysADQ&feature=player_embedded

Maurice Greenberg, the father of Jennifer, was a baseball player and
later, the CEO of American International Group, ir AIG, from
1967-2005. He was awarded "CEO of the Year 2003" by Chief Executive
Magazine.

Greenberg is Honorary Vice Chairman and Director of the Council on
Foreign Relations and a member of David Rockefeller's Trilateral
Commission.

As more events unfold, this appears to be a sick sinister fraud on the
American people in order to foster anti-gun atmosphere. The real
question is, why is this family participating? Why is ANY American
participating?

A JEW WILL NEVER PASS UP A CHANCE TO BE EVIL, that's why.

The Revd

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William Gigantus

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On Thu, 1 May 2014 18:53:51 +0000 (UTC), HQ <hq-ob...@xxx.yyy>
Like eyewitness accounts, something written down on a piece of paper
is not scientific evidence.

=========== Behold! ============

�History is rewritten by the victors.�
- Winston Churchill
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/97949-history-is-written-by-the-victors

�History has many examples of myths that live a longer and richer life
than truth, and may become more effective than truth."
- George Orwell

The Anne Frank Diary Fraud
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=4297
By Charley Reese on January 12, 2010

When Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote Uncle Tom�s Cabin, she did so
prompted by the highest of motives. Yet she, herself, relates the
incident that when she first met Abraham Lincoln in 1863, he commented
�So you are the little woman who wrote the book that made this great
war!� ...

Hitler Diaries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Hitler's diaries discovered" � Stern's headline on 22 April 1983.
In April 1983, the West German news magazine Stern published excerpts
from what purported to be the diaries of Adolf Hitler, known as the
Hitler Diaries (German: Hitler-Tageb�cher), which were subsequently
revealed to be forgeries. The magazine had paid nearly 9 million
German marks (US $3.8m) for the sixty small books, plus a "special
volume" about Rudolf Hess' flight to the United Kingdom, covering the
period from 1932 to 1945. In April 2013 Stern publisher Gruner + Jahr
donated 58 volumes to the German Federal Archive in Coblenz. The House
of the History of the Federal Republic in Bonn and the Police Museum
in Hamburg received one volume each. The final volume had been
auctioned off in Berlin to an anonymous buyer, who paid 6,500 euros
for it in April 2004. [1]


Scientific evidence would be:

One - just one - "gas chamber" build before 1946.

I've done the research. The only "gas chambers" were build for the
tourists.

So you can say and write what you want to.

"It don't mean nothing."
- Army slang

"The Truth is heavy; therefore, few care to carry it."
- The Protocols of the Evil Elders of Zionism

William Gigantus

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When I stopped getting the flu shot, I stopped getting the flu.

Did you get a flu shot last year?

Did you catch the flu this year?

Seems like someone doesn't want this thread to stay on topic.

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/

Could it be: Trolls for big pharma?

HQ

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In article <4jq5m9507uk8lg90q...@4ax.com>,
William Gigantus <bigw...@shtc.net> wrote:

> Like eyewitness accounts, something written down on a
> piece of paper is not scientific evidence.

Actually it is, plus the fact that we have the physical
evidence (gas chambers with cyanide compounds on their
walls, mass graves).

But you're welcome to provide the "scientific evidence" for
WW1, or the bombing of Dresden, or...

> The Anne Frank Diary Fraud

Not again?

<quote>

In 1981, the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation submitted
Anne Frank's handwritten diaries to the Dutch State Forensic Science
Laboratory of the Ministry of Justice to determine their authenticity.
The State Forensic Science Laboratory examined the materials used--
the ink, paper, glue, etc.--and the handwriting and issued a report of
some 270 pages. "The report of the State Forensic Science Laboratory
has convincingly demonstrated that both versions of the diary of Anne
Frank were written by her in the years 1942 to 1944. The allegations
that the diary was the work of someone else (after the war or
otherwise) are thus conclusively refuted." Furthermore, that "despite
corrections and omissions..._The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank_ [i.e., the
published version of the diaries] does indeed contain `the essence' of
Anne's writings, and that there are no grounds on which the term
`forgery' can be applied to the work of the editors or publishers of
the book." <1>


1. Anne Frank, _The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank:_The_Critical_Edition_,
Prepared by the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation,
edited by David Barnouw and Gerrold Van Der Stroom, (New York,
Doubleday, 1989) p. 166.

</quote>


Cordially, Q.

Dänk 42Ø

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On 04/30/2014 08:47 PM, William Gigantus wrote:
>
> Dear Parents: You are being lied to
> http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/vaccinerewrite.html
> <snip pseudoscientific new-age oprah crap>

I was also paranoid about the flu shot, which is why I had never gotten
one before, not even during the 2009 swine flu epidemic when I traveled
to Europe and Asia. Then I caught H1N1 on a trip to Las Vegas several
months ago and was deathly ill for ten days. Someone caught it from me,
but they had gotten their flu shot, so they were better the next day.
Finally got the shot after I recovered, and while the flu season is
over, I haven't gotten the flu since getting it, which would not be
expected if your deranged conspiracy theory were true.


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William Gigantus

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On Fri, 02 May 2014 04:21:51 -0500, K Wills <comp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 01 May 2014 21:12:42 -0400, William Gigantus
><bigw...@shtc.net> wrote:
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>>When I stopped getting the flu shot, I stopped getting the flu.
>>
>>Did you get a flu shot last year?
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> Yes.
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>>Did you catch the flu this year?
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> No.
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>>Seems like someone doesn't want this thread to stay on topic.
>>
>>http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/
>>
>>Could it be: Trolls for big pharma?
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> Or, perhaps, your delusions aren't really worth all that much
>time to actually address.

You just did, so my delusions are really very important.

Which pharmaceutical corporation do you work for?

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/

William Gigantus

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On Fri, 02 May 2014 01:40:36 -0600, D�nk 42� <da...@headed2hawaii.net>
wrote:
"Conspiracy theory" is the secret CIA codeword for:

"Oh shit! They're on to us!"

Which pharmaceutical corporation do YOU work for?

http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/
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On 05/02/2014 02:39 PM, K Wills wrote:
> Do you hold the delusion that everyone works for a pharmaceutical
> corporation?

And he thinks the pharmaceutical corporations are controlled by the
international Jewish zionist conspiracy.

If there really is some toxic component in vaccines, why are the ones
who forgo vaccination the craziest?

I just checked out the vaccineresistancemovement.org website, and I want
to add my own personal conspiracy theory regarding autism. Autism
diagnoses among children are on the rise, which is supposedly evidence
that vaccines cause autism (because most vaccines are administered in
childhood). But remember that twenty or so years ago diagnoses of
"attention deficit disorder" aka ADD/ADHD were also on the rise, so much
so that many assumed that there must be some environmental cause, an
undiscovered toxin in the air, water, household cleaners, etc.

By the 1990s every other kid had been diagnosed with ADHD and put on
expensive mind-altering prescription drugs like Ritalin and Adderall.
Drug patents last for twenty years, and lo and behold, just as the
patents on Ritalin etc. began to expire, the number of newly diagnosed
ADHD cases began to drop. Around the same time a number of new and very
expensive drugs approved to treat "autism" were developed, followed by a
substantial increase in the number of new autism diagnoses. Vaccines
are being blamed for the increase, when in fact the increase is
imaginary and due solely to the corruption of doctors who accept
kickbacks from the drug companies.





William Gigantus

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On Sat, 03 May 2014 01:52:33 -0600, D�nk 42� <da...@headed2hawaii.net>
wrote:

>On 05/02/2014 02:39 PM, K Wills wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 06:24:55 -0400, William Gigantus
>> <bigw...@shtc.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 02 May 2014 01:40:36 -0600, D�nk 42� <da...@headed2hawaii.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/30/2014 08:47 PM, William Gigantus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Parents: You are being lied to
>>>>> http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/vaccinerewrite.html
>>>>> <snip pseudoscientific new-age oprah crap>
>>>>
>>>> I was also paranoid about the flu shot, which is why I had never gotten
>>>> one before, not even during the 2009 swine flu epidemic when I traveled
>>>> to Europe and Asia. Then I caught H1N1 on a trip to Las Vegas several
>>>> months ago and was deathly ill for ten days. Someone caught it from me,
>>>> but they had gotten their flu shot, so they were better the next day.
>>>> Finally got the shot after I recovered, and while the flu season is
>>>> over, I haven't gotten the flu since getting it, which would not be
>>>> expected if your deranged conspiracy theory were true.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Conspiracy theory" is the secret CIA codeword for:
>>>
>>> "Oh shit! They're on to us!"
>>>
>>> Which pharmaceutical corporation do YOU work for?
>>>
>>> http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/
>>
>> Do you hold the delusion that everyone works for a pharmaceutical
>> corporation?

No, I don't believe everyone works for a pharmaceutical corporation,
because I don't. All I know for sure is:

"When I stopped getting the flu shot, I stopped getting the flu."

>And he thinks the pharmaceutical corporations are controlled by the
>international Jewish zionist conspiracy.

Did a vaccine give you the ability to read minds. If so, I'll take
that one.

>If there really is some toxic component in vaccines, why are the ones
>who forgo vaccination the craziest?

Most nurses refuse to get a flu shot; therefore, most nurses are
crazy. Sure spook, I believe you.

About that international-Jewish-zionist-conspiracy:

Rockefeller is a Jew. I don't know about Bill Gates.

Sen Rockefeller: Let's Depopulate!!! Kill the Elders and Poison the
children!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3t8BC8XyTg


Bill Gates, " Vaccinate to Depopulate": His Logic Explained
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI1DRGcSets


Please don't forget.
You spooks make sure your children get their measles shot.


Measles Vaccine Likely Caused Death of Four Infants in Nepal,
Authorities Say
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/09/04/measles-vaccine-kills-infants.aspx
By Dr. Mercola

Four infants between nine and 14 months of age recently died within 24
hours of receiving their measles and DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and
tetanus) vaccines in the Doti area of Nepal, a small country between
India and China.

The children allegedly began vomiting profusely just hours after the
vaccination, and "developed a deathly pallor." Two more children were
hospitalized following their shots.

According to a recent report in The Himalayan1, the Doti District
Public Health Office (DPHO) has stated the primary investigation
suggests the measles vaccine was the cause of death. Other infants who
received other vaccines, but not the measles vaccine, have not
developed any life-threatening side effects.

"The vaccines that were administered to infants were not expired
though, said DPHO, adding that the vials of measles vaccines had
labels showing expiry date of September 2013," The Himalayan reports.
"...Kadamandau locals ...staged a sit-in in front of the hospital
demanding a thorough investigation and punishment to the guilty.
Doti-based human rights organizations also demanded that a probe be
launched immediately."

In response, the Child Health Division under the Ministry of Health
and Population has formed a committee to investigate the deaths. This
case is reminiscent of a story from 2010, when nine-month-old twin
girls in Ghaziabad, India died approximately 15 minutes after
receiving a measles vaccine. Similar deaths in two other regions in
the country were also reported at the time.

Vaccine-Related Deaths are Not Limited to Third-World Countries

A quick search of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)2
reveals nearly 5,100 vaccine-related deaths have been reported in the
U.S between 1990 and August 2012, as of this writing. The vast
majority of deaths � nearly 60 percent � occurred in children under
the age of three. Just over 360 of the reported vaccine-associated
deaths in the US have been related to any of the measles-containing
vaccines.

With adverse event information on over 70 vaccines included in the
VAERS database, it is a phenomenal tool that can help you easily
identify which vaccines are significantly associated with specific
side effects. It is important to know, though, that what is included
in VAERS is only a tiny fraction of the vaccine-related serious health
problems, hospitalizations, injuries and deaths that have actually
occurred in the U.S.

Studies have estimated that less than 10 percent, to as little as ONE
percent, of vaccine side effects are ever reported, so the true side
effects and deaths are easily FAR higher than the reported statistics
represent. This means there may have been anywhere from 3600 to 36,000
deaths that have occurred in the US alone after children or adults
received measles containing vaccines.

The truth is that, while vaccines may be touted as safe, ALL vaccines
and other pharmaceutical products carry a risk of injury or death.
This is something that the media or nearly every health professional
fails to make clear. Most take the position that everyone should be
forced to have mandatory vaccines to help eliminate disease, in spite
of the fact that there is no evidence to support this
one-size-fits-all strategy.

Last month, I interviewed Dr. Larry Palevsky, a former fellow of the
American Academy of Pediatrics and trained at the New York University
School of Medicine, about childhood vaccinations, in which he shares
the dire truth about the lack of safety of many childhood vaccines.
There are so many unanswered questions that it really boils down to a
roll of the dice as to whether the vaccine will ultimately protect you
or harm you.



Download Interview Transcript

According to Dr. Palevsky:

"I think that if you ask most of my colleagues where they get their
information, they will say that they read it from the American Academy
of Pediatrics, from the AMA, from the CDC, and in their journals. But
I would like to challenge most of my colleagues to look through the
studies themselves to actually see if the proper scientific studies
were done using a proper study group and a proper control group.

Were the ingredients in vaccines properly studied?
Is there a difference between being exposed to a virus, bacteria,
heavy metal or toxin through the air, food, your intestines and your
skin, versus when it's injected into your body?
Have we really looked at what happens to vaccine materials once
injected into a child? And is an antibody sufficient to provide
protection for a child against disease?
More and more studies are coming out to show that:

The proper studies haven't been done and antibodies are not the final
way in which your body is protected
There is a difference between how children process material through
air and food versus through injection
There are particles in vaccines that do accumulate in your body and
cause impairments in your immune system
There are particles in the vaccines that get into your brain and there
are foreign DNA particles that get into your body
For many health professionals it is a shock to discover that there is
such a lack of information on the safety and efficacy, and a mounting
degree of information that actually raises suspicions about the safety
and effectiveness of vaccines, and whether or not they have been
properly studied... [I]n my research of the vaccines, and of the basic
microbiology and virology that we're trained to know in our medical
training, I cannot understand how a vaccine with a virus can be safe."

MMR Vaccine has Long History of Being More Reactive than Other
Vaccines

There are vaccines that historically have been associated with more
side effects than others, and the combination measles, mumps and
rubella vaccine � MMR shot � is one of those.

The health risks associated with the MMR vaccine has been in the news
for about 15 years, and questions about the safety of the vaccine
recently re-emerged � at least in Europe � when the Italian health
ministry conceded that the MMR vaccine caused autism in Valentino
Bocca, a now nine-year-old boy, who suffered brain inflammation and
permanent brain damage after he was vaccinated.

According to his parents, the change in his behavior was immediate.
That same night he refused to eat, and he developed diarrhea during
the night. It quickly went downhill from there. While his parents
immediately suspected the vaccination, they were told this was
"impossible." Valentino progressively regressed, and received the
diagnosis of autism a year later. In the final analysis, the Italian
Health Ministry disagreed with the initial conclusion of the
pediatrician, conceding that the vaccine was indeed at fault.

It's well worth noting that this story was completely ignored by US
media, and serves as a potent example of how health information is
censored. Is it any wonder so many Americans are still in the dark
about vaccine hazards? Whether hearing about this case in the US media
would sway you to believe vaccines are risky or not, the fact is that
you were not even allowed to learn about it in the first place.

Get Informed Before You Vaccinate

No matter what vaccination choices you make for yourself or your
family, there is a basic human right to be fully informed about all
risks and have the ability to refuse to allow substances you consider
to be harmful, toxic or poisonous to be forced upon you.
Unfortunately, the partnership between government health agencies and
vaccine manufacturers is getting closer and closer. There is a lot of
discrimination against Americans, who want to be free to exercise
their human right to informed consent when it comes to making
voluntary decisions about which vaccines they and their children use.

We cannot allow that happen!

It's vitally important to know your legal rights and understand your
options when it comes to using vaccines and prescription drugs.

For example, your doctor is legally obligated to provide you with the
CDC Vaccine Information Statement (VIS) sheet and discuss the
potential symptoms of side effects of the vaccination(s) you or your
child receive BEFORE vaccination takes place. If someone giving a
vaccine does not do this, it is a violation of federal law.
Furthermore, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 also
requires doctors and other vaccine providers to:

Keep a permanent record of all vaccines given and the manufacturer's
name and lot number
Write down serious health problems, hospitalizations, injuries and
deaths that occur after vaccination in the patient's permanent medical
record
File an official report of all serious health problems,
hospitalizations, injuries and deaths following vaccination to the
federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS)
If a vaccine provider fails to inform, record or report, it is a
violation of federal law. It's important to get all the facts before
making your decision about vaccination; and to understand that you
have the legal right to opt out of using a vaccine that you do not
want you or your child to receive. At present, all 50 states allow a
medical exemption to vaccination (medical exemptions must be approved
by an M.D. or D.O.); 48 states allow a religious exemption to
vaccination; and 17 states allow a personal, philosophical or
conscientious belief exemption to vaccination. But vaccine exemptions
are under attack in a number of states, and it's in everyone's best
interest to protect the right to make informed, voluntary vaccination
decisions.

What You Can Do to Make a Difference

While it seems "old-fashioned," the only truly effective actions you
can take to protect the right to informed consent to vaccination and
expand your rights under the law to make voluntary vaccine choices, is
to get personally involved with your state legislators and the leaders
in your community.

THINK GLOBALLY, ACT LOCALLY.

Mass vaccination policies are made at the federal level but vaccine
laws are made at the state level, and it is at the state level where
your action to protect your vaccine choice rights will have the
greatest impact.

Signing up to be a user of NVIC's free online Advocacy Portal at
www.NVICAdvocacy.org gives you access to practical, useful information
to help you become an effective vaccine choice advocate in your own
community. You will get real-time Action Alerts about what you can do
if there are threats to vaccine exemptions in your state. With the
click of a mouse or one touch on a Smartphone screen you will be put
in touch with YOUR elected representatives so you can let them know
how you feel and what you want them to do. Plus, when national vaccine
issues come up, you will have all the information you need to make
sure your voice is heard.

So please, as your first step, sign up for the NVIC Advocacy Portal.

Internet Resources

I also encourage you to visit the following web pages on the National
Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) website at www.NVIC.org:

NVIC Memorial for Vaccine Victims: View descriptions and photos of
children and adults, who have suffered vaccine reactions, injuries and
deaths. If you or your child experiences an adverse vaccine event,
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Am 02.05.2014 02:46, schrieb William Gigantus:
r!� ...
>
> Hitler Diaries
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>
> "Hitler's diaries discovered" � Stern's headline on 22 April 1983.
> In April 1983, the West German news magazine Stern published excerpts
> from what purported to be the diaries of Adolf Hitler, known as the
> Hitler Diaries (German: Hitler-Tageb�cher), which were subsequently
> revealed to be forgeries. The magazine had paid nearly 9 million
> German marks (US $3.8m) for the sixty small books, plus a "special
> volume" about Rudolf Hess' flight to the United Kingdom, covering the
> period from 1932 to 1945. In April 2013 Stern publisher Gruner + Jahr
> donated 58 volumes to the German Federal Archive in Coblenz. The House
> of the History of the Federal Republic in Bonn and the Police Museum
> in Hamburg received one volume each. The final volume had been
> auctioned off in Berlin to an anonymous buyer, who paid 6,500 euros
> for it in April 2004. [1]
>

The signature of the so called 'Hitler diaries' reads 'F.H.' in a font
called 'Old English Gothic'.

My guess: 'F.H.' stands for 'Freud Hilton', what was the unofficial
nickname of the the Tavistock Institute in London.

This institute has another nickname: scriptwriter of the new World Order.

These diaries are actually scripts, produced by the Tavistock Warschool.
It has the form of 'I-perspective' and orders from London came in the
form 'I do ...', what is similar to a diary.

(Another famous pupil of that agent factory was apparently Stalin.)

But Hitler did not, what he was told, so the diaries do not match real
history.

Hitler never ever wrote anything himself. Even his book was written by
Hess. So why should Hitler write a diary?

And you would not fake it neither, since you would not fake, what is not
supposed to exist.

But these things do exist. So how did that happen?

It was obviously the KGB in Dresden, that wanted to give the West a
little kick. They found a way to bring it to publicity and even get some
money for their coup.




TH

Thomas Heger

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Am 08.05.2014 22:27, schrieb Thomas Heger:

> Hitler never ever wrote anything himself. Even his book was written by
> Hess. So why should Hitler write a diary?
>
> And you would not fake it neither, since you would not fake, what is not
> supposed to exist.
>


And you must not believe the story about Kujau! This guy cannot even paint.

Look at this:
http://www.kujau-archiv.de/van-gogh-by-kujau.html

This is a fake on kindergarden level, produced by Mr. Kujau.

So: if he cannot fake Van Gogh, why than would he fake Hitler's diaries?


TH

BDK

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>
> Am 02.05.2014 02:46, schrieb William Gigantus:
> r!? ...
> >
> > Hitler Diaries
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries
> > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> >
> > "Hitler's diaries discovered" ? Stern's headline on 22 April 1983.
> > In April 1983, the West German news magazine Stern published excerpts
> > from what purported to be the diaries of Adolf Hitler, known as the
> > Hitler Diaries (German: Hitler-Tagebï¿œcher), which were subsequently
Why are you babbeling about the "Hitler Diaries"? They were known and
proven to be fakes as soon as they appeared.

--
BDK- Head FUD-Master Blaster. Friend to all kOOkbashers.

Thomas Heger

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It was not me but 'William Gigantus', who started this subject.

The 'diaries' were in fact not diaries. But what were they?

The story we are told, is obviously wrong, too. It says, that Conrad
Kujau made them and sold them to the magazine 'Stern'.

Why is this story wrong?

Well, the story consist of too many things, that cannot possibly be
true. E.g. Kujau is NOT the 'king of art fakers', because he cannot even
paint. The 'diaries' came from within the GDR and Kujau lived in the
West of Germany. They 'diaries' are actually 62 volumes of handwritten
notes. When, how and why should Hitler write something like this.
This is so silly to assume, that not even Kujau could have come to that
idea. Maybe a little book would make some kind of sense, but not 62.

These diaries have imprinted golden initials 'F.H.', what obviously does
not say 'Adolf Hitler'. So what does 'F.H.' mean???

My guess is, that 'F.H.' is kind of code for the Tavistock Institute and
means 'Freud Hilton'.

The relation to this institute is found here:
http://www.greghallett.com/pages/Stalins-British-Training.html

Quote:
"Stalin's training in Britain included the Tavistock Freud Hilton,."

TH

BDK

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In article <bt32kj...@mid.individual.net>, ttt...@web.de says...
Yes, one of the biggest morons in usenet..

>
> The 'diaries' were in fact not diaries. But what were they?

They were fakes, created to make a profit.

>
> The story we are told, is obviously wrong, too. It says, that Conrad
> Kujau made them and sold them to the magazine 'Stern'.
>
> Why is this story wrong?

And why is it wrong? WTF is wrong with you?

>
> Well, the story consist of too many things, that cannot possibly be
> true. E.g. Kujau is NOT the 'king of art fakers', because he cannot even
> paint. The 'diaries' came from within the GDR and Kujau lived in the
> West of Germany. They 'diaries' are actually 62 volumes of handwritten
> notes. When, how and why should Hitler write something like this.
> This is so silly to assume, that not even Kujau could have come to that
> idea. Maybe a little book would make some kind of sense, but not 62.

The bigger the lie, the more likely the stupid people are to believe it.
>
> These diaries have imprinted golden initials 'F.H.', what obviously does
> not say 'Adolf Hitler'. So what does 'F.H.' mean???
>
> My guess is, that 'F.H.' is kind of code for the Tavistock Institute and
> means 'Freud Hilton'.

Where do you come up with these insane claims??
>
> The relation to this institute is found here:
> http://www.greghallett.com/pages/Stalins-British-Training.html

An OBVIOUS kOOksite, FFS!

>
> Quote:
> "Stalin's training in Britain included the Tavistock Freud Hilton,."
>
> TH

You need help very badly Thomas..

Thomas Heger

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Am 09.05.2014 16:18, schrieb BDK:

>> These diaries have imprinted golden initials 'F.H.', what obviously does
>> not say 'Adolf Hitler'. So what does 'F.H.' mean???
>>
>> My guess is, that 'F.H.' is kind of code for the Tavistock Institute and
>> means 'Freud Hilton'.
>
> Where do you come up with these insane claims??
>>


I was 'researching' this subject for quite a while. First I stumbled
over an auction of paintings by Hitler. They showed a signature and this
signature was different to that in 'Mein Kampf'.

This is odd, since it should be the same person. But I found, it cannot
be the same person (the German Kanzler and the Austrian painter). This
is strange, too.

So I tried to find evidence. The Austrian painter was gay, while the
German kanzler had several girlfriends (and no men).

Among his girlfriends was the nice of Winston Churchill, what I found
quite astonishing. So, what happened to that lady?

Well, allegedly she tried suicide and died later from the injuries. But
I think, that all these suicides were a fake and neither Hitler nor
Unity Midford actually died.

So they could still be a happy couple way after the war, e.g. in Argentina.

And yes, there are people that claim, Hitler have lived there, together
with Eva Braun and their kids.

There exist photos of Hitler and these kids (a girl and a boy). The girl
is very beautiful and looks remarkable similar to Clementine Hozier in
her younger age. This is in fact astonishing, since that was the wife of
Winston Churchill and the sister of Unity Midfords mother.

So I thought, 'Eva Braun' could be a false identity, too, but for Unity
Midford, while 'Adolph Hitler' was a fake identity for someone unknown.

This is now all 'family business' and related to the family
Spencer/Churchill.

Greg Hallit showed photos of the relation Churchill to Stalin and
mentioned the Tavistock Institute. From his website I have the hint it
is called 'Freud Hilton'.

Since I have tried to find any kind of meaning for 'F.H.' for a while, I
thought, that 'F.H.' stands for 'Freud Hilton'.


TH

BDK

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In article <bt4g40...@mid.individual.net>, ttt...@web.de says...
Wow, so much insanity for such a small post. You seem to have totally
lost any ability you had to filter out nonsensical claims. You just buy
into them, no matter how silly they are. like the above bullshit.

Get some help, dude.

Thomas Heger

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Am 10.05.2014 16:46, schrieb BDK:

>> Among his girlfriends was the nice of Winston Churchill, what I found
>> quite astonishing. So, what happened to that lady?
>>
>> Well, allegedly she tried suicide and died later from the injuries. But
>> I think, that all these suicides were a fake and neither Hitler nor
>> Unity Midford actually died.
>>
>> So they could still be a happy couple way after the war, e.g. in Argentina.
>>
>> And yes, there are people that claim, Hitler have lived there, together
>> with Eva Braun and their kids.
>>
>> There exist photos of Hitler and these kids (a girl and a boy). The girl
>> is very beautiful and looks remarkable similar to Clementine Hozier in
>> her younger age. This is in fact astonishing, since that was the wife of
>> Winston Churchill and the sister of Unity Midfords mother.
..
>
> Wow, so much insanity for such a small post. You seem to have totally
> lost any ability you had to filter out nonsensical claims. You just buy
> into them, no matter how silly they are. like the above bullshit.
>
> Get some help, dude.

Look yourself:

this is Hitler with his (alleged) kids

http://americainchains2009.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/hitlerdm_468x422.jpg?w=300&h=270

and this is a photo of Clementine Hozier:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Clementine_Churchill_1915.jpg


TH

Thomas Heger

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Am 10.05.2014 16:46, schrieb BDK:

>
> Wow, so much insanity for such a small post. You seem to have totally
> lost any ability you had to filter out nonsensical claims. You just buy
> into them, no matter how silly they are. like the above bullshit.
>
> Get some help, dude.
>
Well, if you like to help...

But as far as I can see it, you don't understand what is called the
'scientific method'.

This method contains the task of making up ones mind and try to find a
solution for a problem. Than this solution is criticised.

If it is wrong, than the idea is rejected, if not, than the hypothesis
is promoted to 'theory'.

But you'd have to find possibilities first, before you can disprove
them. So a hypothesis is not a priori a bad thing, even if it turns out
to be wrong. A hypothesis is just one part of this method.

So, you should not complain about apparently wrong ideas, but tell, WHY
an idea is wrong.


TH
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Am 10.05.2014 22:35, schrieb K Wills:

>>> It was not me but 'William Gigantus', who started this subject.
>>
>> Yes, one of the biggest morons in usenet..
>>
>
> What did morons do to you that you would associate them with the
> likes of William?
>
>>> The 'diaries' were in fact not diaries. But what were they?
>>
>> They were fakes, created to make a profit.
>>
>
> And they did make a profit. Heidemann sold them to Stern for over
> 9 million Deutsche marks. Kujau was paid only about 2.5 million DM.

The story 'smells'. If Kujau is such a poor painter, than why is he
'king of forgery'?

My guess goes like this:
These diaries were kept by some people of Hitler's staff as kind of
'ticket to freedom' and were exchanged with something and finally made
it into possession of the KGB.

The Dresden KGB tried to bring them into public and need someone, who
would buy them and publish them. This was Heidemann and the magazine
'Stern'.

The KGB in Dresden (where Putin was at that time) faked a certain
possible story and let Heideman 'find' them and bring them to the west.

The KGB, of course, knew their original purpose and bought one copy back
(later in the auction). They wanted to harm the UK by releasing them and
hoped, someone in the West would identify the real purpose, too. But the
western services fast started to cover this by a false forgery story.

This story does not hold water, so it was told over and over gain. So
people forget the story and believed what they were told.

I did not believe it, because I wanted to find evidence for the theory,
that Hitler was not the Austrian painter, but a British spy.

Spies need detailed plans and such orders could possibly come in the
form of sealed notebooks, written in 'I do ..' form. This would be the
diaries.

So we have a conspiracy, where western agencies in UK and Western
Germany were involved as well as big media. And they were able to
present someone, who would go to jail for them.

But still the story is implausible, but nobody worried, case closed and
the rest is silence.



>>> The story we are told, is obviously wrong, too. It says, that Conrad
>>> Kujau made them and sold them to the magazine 'Stern'.
>>>
>>> Why is this story wrong?
>>
>> And why is it wrong? WTF is wrong with you?
>>
>
> Heidemann sold them to Stern, not Kujau. That is what's wrong
> with the story.
>
>>> Well, the story consist of too many things, that cannot possibly be
>>> true. E.g. Kujau is NOT the 'king of art fakers', because he cannot even
>>> paint. The 'diaries' came from within the GDR and Kujau lived in the
>>> West of Germany. They 'diaries' are actually 62 volumes of handwritten
>>> notes. When, how and why should Hitler write something like this.
>>> This is so silly to assume, that not even Kujau could have come to that
>>> idea. Maybe a little book would make some kind of sense, but not 62.
>>
>> The bigger the lie, the more likely the stupid people are to believe it.
>
> Who ever forged them did such a poor job, few fell for it. Kujau
> was tried and convicted of the forgery. I don't recall if he ever
> admitted to doing them.
> He did use the conviction to his advantage. After being released
> from prison, he sold Genuine Fakes/Forgeries. He would copy the
> paintings of the masters.
> Thomas had linked to a site that shows pictures of some of these
> paintings. It's worth noting that the paintings shown were never
> intended to be exact copies of the originals.
> If Thomas is relying on the Genuine Fakes to support his claim
> that Kujau couldn't have forged the diaries, he's in for a tough sell.

If you fake some great artist, you'd have to be an excellent painter
yourself. Otherwise any kid can see, that a certain paining is false.

But Kujau's paintings are way to bad to be seen as real Van Goghs etc.

(He doesn't look that bright himself.)

So what is going on there?

Well, the fake is a fake itself! It is apparently a western cover story,
released to sweep something under the rug. That is the real purpose of
these books and their real origin.


>
> A treasure trove of work for the serious k00kologist to enjoy. I
> may actually buy some of the nutty stuff they're selling. I may find
> myself quite entertained.
>
>>> Quote:
>>> "Stalin's training in Britain included the Tavistock Freud Hilton,."
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>> You need help very badly Thomas..
>
> At least his posts are entertaining. Not all k00ks can hold such
> a claim.
> I'd like to know from where he got the quote. It's not on the
> page to which he linked.

I just copied the first finding of google for search string 'Tavistock
Stalin'.

Greg Halit I found after searching for Tavistock and Hitler. I do not
want to confirm his stories, but used some of his ideas.

The Tavistock Institute got into my focus because of the London bombings
at Tavistock Square, where I wanted to know, what 'Tavistock' means.

I think, that Hitler was in London. The reason to think so was a little
film with Hitler entering a car and a soldier saluting with the left
arm. How did that happen?

Reason: the film is swapped from left to right to cover, that the car is
for English streets.


TH

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BDK

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In article <bt7b0t...@mid.individual.net>, ttt...@web.de says...
In all the stuff I've read about Hitler, I've never, ever seen any claim
that he had any kids.
And?

>
>
> TH

BDK

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In article <bt7fan...@mid.individual.net>, ttt...@web.de says...
>
> Am 10.05.2014 16:46, schrieb BDK:
>
> >
> > Wow, so much insanity for such a small post. You seem to have totally
> > lost any ability you had to filter out nonsensical claims. You just buy
> > into them, no matter how silly they are. like the above bullshit.
> >
> > Get some help, dude.
> >
> Well, if you like to help...
>
> But as far as I can see it, you don't understand what is called the
> 'scientific method'.


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one, coming from you.

>
> This method contains the task of making up ones mind and try to find a
> solution for a problem. Than this solution is criticised.

Instead, you go to some kOOksite, read something, and believe it, no
matter how silly.

>
> If it is wrong, than the idea is rejected, if not, than the hypothesis
> is promoted to 'theory'.
>
> But you'd have to find possibilities first, before you can disprove
> them. So a hypothesis is not a priori a bad thing, even if it turns out
> to be wrong. A hypothesis is just one part of this method.
>
> So, you should not complain about apparently wrong ideas, but tell, WHY
> an idea is wrong.
>
>
> TH

That you can't see what's wrong with a lot of your claims is just too
funny.

BDK

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In article <p93tm9lum6nt5872g...@4ax.com>,
comp...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Fri, 9 May 2014 10:18:46 -0400, BDK <Con...@Worldcontrol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> It was not me but 'William Gigantus', who started this subject.
> >
> >Yes, one of the biggest morons in usenet..
> >
>
> What did morons do to you that you would associate them with the
> likes of William?

I was tired, and didn't think about hurting the morons' feelings. I
apologize to all the morons out there!

>
> >> The 'diaries' were in fact not diaries. But what were they?
> >
> >They were fakes, created to make a profit.
> >
>
> And they did make a profit. Heidemann sold them to Stern for over
> 9 million Deutsche marks. Kujau was paid only about 2.5 million DM.
>
> >> The story we are told, is obviously wrong, too. It says, that Conrad
> >> Kujau made them and sold them to the magazine 'Stern'.
> >>
> >> Why is this story wrong?
> >
> >And why is it wrong? WTF is wrong with you?
> >
>
> Heidemann sold them to Stern, not Kujau. That is what's wrong
> with the story.
>
> >> Well, the story consist of too many things, that cannot possibly be
> >> true. E.g. Kujau is NOT the 'king of art fakers', because he cannot even
> >> paint. The 'diaries' came from within the GDR and Kujau lived in the
> >> West of Germany. They 'diaries' are actually 62 volumes of handwritten
> >> notes. When, how and why should Hitler write something like this.
> >> This is so silly to assume, that not even Kujau could have come to that
> >> idea. Maybe a little book would make some kind of sense, but not 62.
> >
> >The bigger the lie, the more likely the stupid people are to believe it.
>
> Who ever forged them did such a poor job, few fell for it. Kujau
> was tried and convicted of the forgery. I don't recall if he ever
> admitted to doing them.
> He did use the conviction to his advantage. After being released
> from prison, he sold Genuine Fakes/Forgeries. He would copy the
> paintings of the masters.
> Thomas had linked to a site that shows pictures of some of these
> paintings. It's worth noting that the paintings shown were never
> intended to be exact copies of the originals.
> If Thomas is relying on the Genuine Fakes to support his claim
> that Kujau couldn't have forged the diaries, he's in for a tough sell.
>
> >>
> >> These diaries have imprinted golden initials 'F.H.', what obviously does
> >> not say 'Adolf Hitler'. So what does 'F.H.' mean???
> >>
> >> My guess is, that 'F.H.' is kind of code for the Tavistock Institute and
> >> means 'Freud Hilton'.
> >
> >Where do you come up with these insane claims??
>
> Now, now. Thomas does state it's a guess. Sure, it's an off the
> wall guess, but it's still a guess.
>
> >>
> >> The relation to this institute is found here:
> >> http://www.greghallett.com/pages/Stalins-British-Training.html
> >
> >An OBVIOUS kOOksite, FFS!
> >
>
> A treasure trove of work for the serious k00kologist to enjoy. I
> may actually buy some of the nutty stuff they're selling. I may find
> myself quite entertained.

Oh yeah, it's a really great site to intro someone to "kOOkology"

>
> >> Quote:
> >> "Stalin's training in Britain included the Tavistock Freud Hilton,."
> >>
> >> TH
> >
> >You need help very badly Thomas..
>
> At least his posts are entertaining. Not all k00ks can hold such
> a claim.
> I'd like to know from where he got the quote. It's not on the
> page to which he linked.

I would imagine some other kOOkpage, or the voices told him. All about
it.

BDK

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In article <atqum9pgi0dh650t9...@4ax.com>,
comp...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sun, 11 May 2014 07:12:24 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt...@web.de>
> wrote:
>
> >Am 10.05.2014 22:35, schrieb K Wills:
> >
> >>>> It was not me but 'William Gigantus', who started this subject.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, one of the biggest morons in usenet..
> >>
> >> What did morons do to you that you would associate them with the
> >> likes of William?
> >>
> >>>> The 'diaries' were in fact not diaries. But what were they?
> >>>
> >>> They were fakes, created to make a profit.
> >>
> >> And they did make a profit. Heidemann sold them to Stern for over
> >> 9 million Deutsche marks. Kujau was paid only about 2.5 million DM.
> >
> >The story 'smells'. If Kujau is such a poor painter, than why is he
> >'king of forgery'?
> >
>
> Who calls him poor? Who calls him king?
> His "Genuine Fakes" weren't supposed to be perfect forgeries. So
> far, I've only seen you link to a site that shows the fakes, complete
> with his signature on each painting.
>
> >My guess goes like this:
> >These diaries were kept by some people of Hitler's staff as kind of
> >'ticket to freedom' and were exchanged with something and finally made
> >it into possession of the KGB.
> >
>
> How were they able to acquire modern glue for the spine? Do keep
> in mind that the glue was found to have been manufactured in the
> 1980s, making it impossible to have been from the 30s or 40s.
>
> >The Dresden KGB tried to bring them into public and need someone, who
> >would buy them and publish them. This was Heidemann and the magazine
> >'Stern'.
> >
>
> Heidemann conned the people at Stern. This isn't in dispute.
>
> >The KGB in Dresden (where Putin was at that time) faked a certain
> >possible story and let Heideman 'find' them and bring them to the west.
> >
> >The KGB, of course, knew their original purpose and bought one copy back
> >(later in the auction). They wanted to harm the UK by releasing them and
> >hoped, someone in the West would identify the real purpose, too. But the
> >western services fast started to cover this by a false forgery story.
> >
>
> Your delusions don't make the story false.
> Very few fell for the con. The handwriting, when compared to
> known samples, is wrong. The glue is modern. And so on.
>
> >This story does not hold water, so it was told over and over gain. So
> >people forget the story and believed what they were told.
> >
> >I did not believe it, because I wanted to find evidence for the theory,
> >that Hitler was not the Austrian painter, but a British spy.
> >
>
> And you're still looking. You'll be doing so for the rest of your
> life, and finding what you've found to date: nothing.
>
> >Spies need detailed plans and such orders could possibly come in the
> >form of sealed notebooks, written in 'I do ..' form. This would be the
> >diaries.
> >
> >So we have a conspiracy, where western agencies in UK and Western
> >Germany were involved as well as big media. And they were able to
> >present someone, who would go to jail for them.
> >
>
> You will need evidence. That's where you find your delusions fall
> apart.
>
> >But still the story is implausible, but nobody worried, case closed and
> >the rest is silence.
> >
>
> The story is very plausible.
> And, anyone who sees the "Genuine Fakes" can see the painting are
> as advertised.
>
> >But Kujau's paintings are way to bad to be seen as real Van Goghs etc.
> >
>
> Have you ever seen the ones that were intended to pass for the
> originals? You've posted a link to a site that has pictures of his
> "Genuine Fakes." They were never intended to be exact copies. Kajau's
> signature on each one stands as proof of this.
>
> >(He doesn't look that bright himself.)
> >
> >So what is going on there?
> >
>
> You're trying to force a conspiracy where none exists. That's
> what's going on.
> While your posts are entertaining, they are not evidence of any
> conspiracy.
>
> >Well, the fake is a fake itself! It is apparently a western cover story,
> >released to sweep something under the rug. That is the real purpose of
> >these books and their real origin.
> >
>
> I await your evidence.
>
> >> A treasure trove of work for the serious k00kologist to enjoy. I
> >> may actually buy some of the nutty stuff they're selling. I may find
> >> myself quite entertained.
> >>
> >>>> Quote:
> >>>> "Stalin's training in Britain included the Tavistock Freud Hilton,."
> >>>>
> >>>> TH
> >>>
> >>> You need help very badly Thomas..
> >>
> >> At least his posts are entertaining. Not all k00ks can hold such
> >> a claim.
> >> I'd like to know from where he got the quote. It's not on the
> >> page to which he linked.
> >
> >I just copied the first finding of google for search string 'Tavistock
> >Stalin'.
> >
>
> Ok. You need to properly attribute this. As posted, it looks as
> if you got the quote from the page you linked to.
>
> >Greg Halit I found after searching for Tavistock and Hitler. I do not
> >want to confirm his stories, but used some of his ideas.
> >
> >The Tavistock Institute got into my focus because of the London bombings
> >at Tavistock Square, where I wanted to know, what 'Tavistock' means.
>
> It's a name. The man, whose name escapes me at the moment, who
> built Tavistock house, from where the square and institute get their
> names, named it such.
> The house was built in the early 1800s (1804?), long before the
> Nazis had anything to do with anything.
>
> >
> >I think, that Hitler was in London. The reason to think so was a little
> >film with Hitler entering a car and a soldier saluting with the left
> >arm. How did that happen?
> >
>
> There are a few possible explanations.
>
> - The soldier was nervous and made a mistake.
> - He was holding the door open with his right hand, leaving only his
> left hand available for the salute.
> - He was holding something in his right hand, leaving only his left
> hand available for the salute.

Or, he could have an injured right shoulder, as I had, that wouldn't
allow me to do a good Nazi salute for about 3 years. I could open a door
just fine with it though..

>
> I would need to see the film, or at least the scene you
> reference, to offer a more definitive opinion. You will, of course,
> link to it so that anyone interested can see for themselves.
>
> >Reason: the film is swapped from left to right to cover, that the car is
> >for English streets.
>
> Possible, but not overly plausible. Had Hitler been seen by
> British people in the streets of England, he would surely have been
> killed by a mob.

I think Thomas is one of those guys who thinks he sees people in places
they aren't like when George thought he saw Saddam Hussein on
"Seinfeld".
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Am 11.05.2014 23:14, schrieb K Wills:

>>>> I think, that Hitler was in London. The reason to think so was a little
>>>> film with Hitler entering a car and a soldier saluting with the left
>>>> arm. How did that happen?
>>>>
>>> There are a few possible explanations.
>>>
>>> - The soldier was nervous and made a mistake.
>>> - He was holding the door open with his right hand, leaving only his
>>> left hand available for the salute.
>>> - He was holding something in his right hand, leaving only his left
>>> hand available for the salute.
>>
>> Or, he could have an injured right shoulder, as I had, that wouldn't
>> allow me to do a good Nazi salute for about 3 years. I could open a door
>> just fine with it though..
>>
>
> Another possible explanation.
> I hope Thomas posts a link to the video, or at least the scene he
> references. This will allow for a more accurate guess, though it would
> still be a guess.



Once I find it again... But on YouTube there a millions of videos and
you cannot easily find a specific one.

I cannot recall the title, but it was about Unity Midford, that
introduced Hitler to the King.


TH

Thomas Heger

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Am 13.05.2014 06:45, schrieb Thomas Heger:
> Unity Midford, that introduced Hitler to the King

British history is very difficult.

But - as a rule of thumb - family ties and educations is important. So
we had to understand the connection between Churchill and the Nazis by
means of family connections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algernon_Bertram_Freeman-Mitford,_1st_Baron_Redesdale

Quote:
" Later he was considered to be one of the possible fathers of
Clementine Hozier (1885�1977), in the course of an affair with his
wife's sister Blanche.[4] Clementine married Winston Churchill in 1908"

Quote:
"In his closing years Lord Redesdale edited and wrote extensive and
effusive introductions for two of Houston Stewart Chamberlain's books"

That was this guy:
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Stewart_Chamberlain"
Among his kids was this person:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Freeman-Mitford,_2nd_Baron_Redesdale

This British aristocrat owned a goldmine in Canada. The stocks looked
like this:
http://ep.yimg.com/ay/scripophily/lucky-cross-mines-of-swastika-limited-toronto-canada-1914-10.gif

That Baron had six famous daughters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mitford_sisters.jpg#mediaviewer/File:Mitford_sisters.jpg

One left Lord Guiness for the leader of the BUF Sir Oswald Mosley.

The wedding took place at the 'leaders' home in Germany.

The question is now, if Uncle Winston was invited.



TH

BDK

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In article <btho6g...@mid.individual.net>, ttt...@web.de says...
>
> Am 13.05.2014 06:45, schrieb Thomas Heger:
> > Unity Midford, that introduced Hitler to the King
>
> British history is very difficult.
>
> But - as a rule of thumb - family ties and educations is important. So
> we had to understand the connection between Churchill and the Nazis by
> means of family connections.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algernon_Bertram_Freeman-Mitford,_1st_Baron_Redesdale
>
> Quote:
> " Later he was considered to be one of the possible fathers of
> Clementine Hozier (1885?1977), in the course of an affair with his
> wife's sister Blanche.[4] Clementine married Winston Churchill in 1908"
>
> Quote:
> "In his closing years Lord Redesdale edited and wrote extensive and
> effusive introductions for two of Houston Stewart Chamberlain's books"
>
> That was this guy:
> "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Stewart_Chamberlain"
> Among his kids was this person:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Freeman-Mitford,_2nd_Baron_Redesdale
>
> This British aristocrat owned a goldmine in Canada. The stocks looked
> like this:
> http://ep.yimg.com/ay/scripophily/lucky-cross-mines-of-swastika-limited-toronto-canada-1914-10.gif
>
> That Baron had six famous daughters:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mitford_sisters.jpg#mediaviewer/File:Mitford_sisters.jpg
>
> One left Lord Guiness for the leader of the BUF Sir Oswald Mosley.
>
> The wedding took place at the 'leaders' home in Germany.
>
> The question is now, if Uncle Winston was invited.
>
>
>
> TH

No Thomas, the question is..

How long until you are carted away to the 'bin??

Thomas Heger

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Am 14.05.2014 19:58, schrieb BDK:

>>
>> TH
>
> No Thomas, the question is..
>
> How long until you are carted away to the 'bin??
>

Don't be THAT rude..

You still do not understand me. The Nazi ideology is certainly not a
British invention, (neither a German). But there are other roots, that
are still hidden.

So: where did the Nazis actually come from?

My guess: it is more or less an international development, we find in a
lot of regions. They have built a network and that does exist to the
present day.

To identify such people I usually try to apply certain pictures. E. g.
there is a reference to Sparta and what is called Neoclassic
architecture. There I look for what is called a porticus. It has four
columns (or more) and a triangular roof. This triangle has certain
proportions and these proportions seem to be a sign.

(Other signs are bow-ties or the colours black and white.)

Anyhow. This seems to be related to 'Templarism' and ancient pagan cults.

This cult is used to turn moral standards around, to brutalise the
members of the inner circle. Once they are ruthless enough, they get
promoted to the next level.

My guess: Very evil doings required mass-casualties, preferred to the
'own-side'.

So we have to look for mass-losses of own personal, to find members of
such cults. E.g. Hitler was famous for loosing lots of soldiers by
apparently silly orders. The Africa-campaign was as stupid as was
Stalingrad.

Stalin was a ruthless sucker, too. He was extremely brutal and among the
many of his crimes was a famine in the Ukraine.

The Brits had Lord Kitchener, who had killed the Boers wifes and
children by starving them to death in what he called 'concentration
camps'. He was also responsible for the massacre of Obdurman.

These things are certainly immoral and require a special training for
the leaders, but are 'necessary' to keep the masses in check.

This brings us back to Spartans and old Greek. This society seems to be
the ideal, since it was a militaristic oligarchy and ruled by a small
class of super-rich families. The citizens of Sparta were soldiers and
the rest of the world were slaves.

This is more or less how the Nazis wanted to world to be - of course
with themselves as rulers.

Only the world does not function this way and people do not want to
become slaves.


TH
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