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David Martin

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Mar 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/13/99
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Since it is apparent that our kept press wants George W. Bush to be our
next president almost as much as they wanted Slick Willie in '92 and
'96, we will not likely be hearing very much about Baby Bush's sleazy
side. Never mind the family CIA ties with all their illegal drug
business, the sort of discussion we have here from DRCNet will also
probably be taboo for the mainstream media:

2. George Bush Jr. Hires Private Eye to Dig Up Own Past

George Bush Jr., eyeing the Republican nomination, has hired
a private detective to dig up dirt on the Texas Governor's
past as a pre-emptive measure designed to lower the
possibility of a mid-race bombshell. Bush, whose prior
troubles with alcohol use is legendary, swears that he has
been a faithful spouse, but has been less than forthcoming
when asked about long-rumored drug use, though he has
pointedly avoided denying such charges.

Asked whether he had ever used cocaine or marijuana by the
British paper "Scotland on Sunday," Bush said only "When I
was young and irresponsible, I was young and irresponsible."
Far from simple youthful indiscretion, however, Bush has
admitted that his "irresponsible" period lasted until his
40th birthday. Adding to the sense that he might not be
truthful about his drug use, Bush also advises that parents
lie to their own children about their experiences.

"The question is, have you learned from your mistakes," he
said. "The answer is yes. If I were you, I wouldn't tell
your kids that you smoked pot unless you want them to smoke
pot. I think it's important for leaders and parents not to
send mixed signals. I don't want some kid saying, 'Well,
Governor Bush tried it'."

Questions about Bush's drug use, his message and the impact
that it will have, both on his campaign and on his image
remain.

Rob Stewart, Communications Director for the Drug Policy
Foundation in Washington, DC, wondered how Bush could
maintain the inconsistencies between his own life and the
policies he adopts.

"Assuming that Governor Bush did in fact use illicit drugs,
one has to wonder whether he believes that he would have
benefited from being sent to prison. Judging by his obvious
success in politics, it would be difficult to argue that
prison would have been appropriate. The question, then, is
why he believes that other people, people whose parents are
not oil tycoons, ought to be incarcerated for their own
substance use or abuse. Is he sending the message that drug
use should only result in incarceration for those who get
caught? Or for those whose families don't have the
resources to send them to treatment, or hire expensive
attorneys?"

Sandee Burbank, Director of Mothers Against Misuse and
Abuse, takes issue with Bush's admonition to parents to lie
to their children.

"Governor Bush thinks that the way to keep youngsters from
using drugs is to lie to them. This shows extreme
disrespect for children's intelligence and natural desire to
protect themselves from harm. Parents who use lies,
exaggerations and scare tactics put themselves at tremendous
risk of losing credibility. These tactics can lead some
children to disregard serious warnings, thinking them more
of the same lies."

"MAMA thinks it is better to teach children skills to
evaluate the risks of all drug use and provide them with
accurate information about all drugs. This will serve them
far better than lies."
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JmG

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Mar 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/13/99
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David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote:

>Asked whether he had ever used cocaine or marijuana by the
>British paper "Scotland on Sunday," Bush said only "When I

David, it's a non-issue. Let's stay focused FOR A FUCKING CHANGE on things that
matter:

Education
Health Care
Environmental Quality
Military Preparedness

ANYTHING, in fact than someone's personal habits, wants and needs.

Jeff

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David Martin

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Mar 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/13/99
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Okay, if you insist, O foul-mouthed one, but you sure do sound a lot
like all those defenders of the current criminal in chief.

If Baby Bush has been a long-time user of illicit substances,
indications are that he was able to get them quite cheap, or even free,
through the good offices of his old man. Check out
http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/bush20.htm. And when one does something
with impunity that gets less privileged people sent off to the slammer
for long periods of time, just as when one lies under oath in a court
case, it goes beyond a mere matter of personal sexual affairs or the use
of recreational drugs by consenting adults. Here's what one of my
correspondents, one who is well-acquainted with the inside of the big
house, had to say:

Is the Governor a Felon?

There is plenty of action on the internet about George Bush Jr.'s
suspected use of illegal drugs. If it can be shown that George Bush Jr.
likely used illegal drugs he should be indicted for conspiracy to sell
drugs and subjected to the mandatory minimums of 5 years to life
depending on how much he bought, used, and encouraged others to use. In
addition the mandatory minimums would apply to how much his drug
supplier sold and his supplier sold. So, if George Bush, Jr. used
illegal drugs he is most likely facing a life sentence. Sound absurd?
Talk to those incarcerated for drug crimes.

In addition if President George Bush and his wife knew that George Bush,
Jr. was taking illegal drugs and did not report it to proper authorities
then they are part of the conspiracy and the same mandatory minimums
apply to them as they do their son.

Want truth in justice - THAT'S TRUTH IN JUSTICE.

JmG

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Mar 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/13/99
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David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote:

>> David, it's a non-issue. Let's stay focused FOR A FUCKING CHANGE on things that
>> matter:
>

>Okay, if you insist, O foul-mouthed one, but you sure do sound a lot

And then you dive right back in. What difference does it make if Baby Bush (I
*do* like the moniker) smoked or not? What is important is what he might do for
social security, education or foreign matters.

Jeff
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David Martin

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Mar 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/14/99
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And it's back to the old "character and criminality don't matter
argument," a veritable blueprint for tyranny. Haven't we had enough of
this sort of thing with the current criminal in chief?

The OldTimer

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Mar 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/14/99
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JmG wrote in message <36ed7540...@nntp.bestweb.net>...

>David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>>Asked whether he had ever used cocaine or marijuana by the
>>British paper "Scotland on Sunday," Bush said only "When I
>
>David, it's a non-issue. Let's stay focused FOR A FUCKING CHANGE on things
that
>matter:
>
>Education
>Health Care
>Environmental Quality
>Military Preparedness
>
>ANYTHING, in fact than someone's personal habits, wants and needs.
>
>Jeff
>


Yea, David. In case you missed it, Clinton has taken the things you seem
interested in off the table as issues. It seems he has made all that
acceptable behavior. Rejoice!

One of the most enjoyable things about being 65 is
watching the younger generations make the same
dumb mistakes, the same stupid assumptions,
buy the same political scams and fall for the same
societal gimmicks and not having a clue as to what
is really going on. The fun is seeing that look on
their faces, when the truth finally hits them.

The OldTimer


BILL

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Mar 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/15/99
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I wonder if he also wet the bed when he was a child or put chewing gum on
some school desk seat!

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David Martin wrote in message <36EA53...@erols.com>...


>Since it is apparent that our kept press wants George W. Bush to be our
>next president almost as much as they wanted Slick Willie in '92 and
>'96, we will not likely be hearing very much about Baby Bush's sleazy
>side. Never mind the family CIA ties with all their illegal drug
>business, the sort of discussion we have here from DRCNet will also
>probably be taboo for the mainstream media:
>
>2. George Bush Jr. Hires Private Eye to Dig Up Own Past
>
>George Bush Jr., eyeing the Republican nomination, has hired
>a private detective to dig up dirt on the Texas Governor's
>past as a pre-emptive measure designed to lower the
>possibility of a mid-race bombshell. Bush, whose prior
>troubles with alcohol use is legendary, swears that he has
>been a faithful spouse, but has been less than forthcoming
>when asked about long-rumored drug use, though he has
>pointedly avoided denying such charges.
>

>Asked whether he had ever used cocaine or marijuana by the
>British paper "Scotland on Sunday," Bush said only "When I

BILL

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Mar 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/15/99
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Firstly this post is nothing but innuendo - not fact. Secondly it is
referring to his school days when he was an admittedly too wild youngster.
What does this have to do with his character and performance as an adult in
more recent times?

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For discussion of Education, Political & Tax Reform
http://home.att.net/~wmech

David Martin wrote in message <36EBD4...@erols.com>...


>And it's back to the old "character and criminality don't matter
>argument," a veritable blueprint for tyranny. Haven't we had enough of
>this sort of thing with the current criminal in chief?
>
>JmG wrote:
>>
>> David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote:
>>

>> >> David, it's a non-issue. Let's stay focused FOR A FUCKING CHANGE on
things that
>> >> matter:
>> >

>> >Okay, if you insist, O foul-mouthed one, but you sure do sound a lot
>>
>> And then you dive right back in. What difference does it make if Baby
Bush (I
>> *do* like the moniker) smoked or not? What is important is what he might
do for
>> social security, education or foreign matters.
>>
>> Jeff
>> --
>> Bongo Boy thinks Christian fundamentalists are fundamentally wrong!
[www.bongoboy.com]
>
>

Deneen Sparks

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Mar 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/18/99
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On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:10:55 -0600, "The OldTimer" <t...@told.net>
squawked in alt.thebird.hippie:

>
>JmG wrote in message <36ed7540...@nntp.bestweb.net>...
>>David Martin <dcd...@erols.com> wrote:
>>

>>>Asked whether he had ever used cocaine or marijuana by the
>>>British paper "Scotland on Sunday," Bush said only "When I
>>

>>David, it's a non-issue. Let's stay focused FOR A FUCKING CHANGE on things
>that
>>matter:
>>

>>Education
>>Health Care
>>Environmental Quality
>>Military Preparedness
>>
>>ANYTHING, in fact than someone's personal habits, wants and needs.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>
>
>Yea, David. In case you missed it, Clinton has taken the things you seem
>interested in off the table as issues. It seems he has made all that
>acceptable behavior. Rejoice!
>
>One of the most enjoyable things about being 65 is
>watching the younger generations make the same
>dumb mistakes, the same stupid assumptions,
>buy the same political scams and fall for the same
>societal gimmicks and not having a clue as to what
>is really going on. The fun is seeing that look on
>their faces, when the truth finally hits them.
>
>The OldTimer

Now, if you could help us find a way to get the youth to listen and
STOP making those mistakes, you'd be a genuis - and probably saviour
of our world.


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JmG

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Mar 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/19/99
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edi...@thebird.org (Deneen Sparks) wrote:

>Now, if you could help us find a way to get the youth to listen and
>STOP making those mistakes, you'd be a genuis - and probably saviour
>of our world.

Youth will always make mistakes - it is how one learns. But we can take the
sting out of it by stopping our insistence of forcing blame, punishment and
negativity surrounding everything we, or they, do. We could nurture and build
rather than just say "no". Jeez, I'm sounding like a liberal. Heck, must mean
there's something to it.

The OldTimer

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Mar 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/19/99
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Deneen Sparks wrote in message <370688d4...@news.stc.net>...
>Now, if you could help us find a way to get the youth to listen and
>STOP making those mistakes, you'd be a genuis - and probably saviour
>of our world.


What??? And miss out on what fun there is left?

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