Watchdog Long Beach police officer on TV
SPD978
>
> erns...@usa.net wrote in message <6vdqs7$htm$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >Did anyone catch that TV show a few weeks (or maybe months) ago, where they
> >were interviewing a former Long Beach, CA police officer who has turned
> >himself into a watchdog for police brutality? I think they said he has a
> >Website, but I'm darned if I can figure out where it might be.
>
> You're referring to Diop Kamau, director of The Police Complaint Center. He
> and his organization conduct "undercover" operations to capture incidents of
> excessive force and unprofessional conduct by police officers. They run a
> website at: http://www.policeabuse.com/.
>
> Kamau's organization is essentially what the folks at alt.thebird.copwatch
> would like to consider themselves. Kamau actually knows what he's talking
> about (former police sergeant with a decent work record) and unlike
> "Copwatch," has had a few successful prosecutions. Of course, this entails
> more than sitting on your ass in front of a computer and whining...
>
> Kamau had a problem with racism and what he perceived as racism within the
> ranks of his department (Hawthrone PD, CA) and this peeked when his own
> father, a retired cop, was allegedly abused during a traffic stop. He began
> to conduct undercover operations against other departments (Long Beach for
> one) and got involved in disputes over racism within his own department.
> The rest is history...
>
> Kamau has uncovered a few legitimate cases of misconduct, although the
> majority of them involve "unprofessional conduct" which usually translates
> into telling someone off. Even while I concede that he has uncovered a few
> righteous cases, I must also say that in a few of the instances, I feel that
> Kamau has incited the incidents. I certainly won't cry when he takes a
> bullet through his head. :)
>
> GHalleck
Nice spin ghalleck.
Why would you dislike exposers off corruption?
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"If I remember correctly he was a probationary officer that was fired
for
substandard performance."
Sgt. Rock
>Kamau actually knows what he's talking
>about (former police sergeant with a decent work record)
I beg to differ here Halleck, I have some friends that worked with him
at
Hawthorn PD.
He was garbage.
There were also several newspaper accounts about this guy, the cop
formerly known as Don Jackson breaking peoples arms. he did
some real underhanded stuff & was about the be hammered when
he played the race card to save his ass.
Otherwise I agree 100%.
Sgt. Rock
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Go to the site.
Click on the picture of the LBPD and watch the video.
http://www.policeabuse.com/lbpdsh.mpg
Watch closely as the cop smashes the suspects head through a plate
glass window and the other cop starts to back away and look around
to see if anyone saw it.
Take a bow Long Beach.
spd978
I posted Diop's credentials below.
"He was garbage"- Sgt. Rock
I emailed your comments to him Rock.
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Diop Kamau
Bachelor's degree in Administration of Justice from
California Lutheran College 1980. Masters
degree in Criminal Justice at Penn State University
1994. Currently a McKnight Fellow completing a
Ph.D. in criminology at Florida State University.
Ten years law enforcement experience. One year
assigned to Ventura County juvenile and adult
correctional facilities. Two years as a deputy with the
Ventura County Sheriff's Department. Seven years
with the Hawthorne Police Department as a field
supervisor, detective and sergeant specializing
in undercover and sting operations. Advanced
certificate in Peace Officer Standards and Training.
Qualified instructor in Police Control Restraint
Techniques. Federal and California State qualified
expert on use of force, police report writing and
officer misconduct. Has testified before the California
State Assembly and United States Congress
on police practices.
Personal History
Diop Kamau, formerly known as Don Jackson, was
born on March 16, 1958 in Los Angeles,
California to Margie and Woodrow Jackson.
Margie was a nurse and the mother of six, including
Diop. Diop's father was a Los Angeles County
Sheriffs Deputy. Diop has four sisters and one
brother. Diop attended Birmingham high school
in the San Fernando Valley where he received
several awards for sports. Diop was captain of
his high-school wrestling and football teams. Diop
graduated from high-school in 1976 and attended
California Lutheran College in Thousand Oaks,
California. Diop expressed an early interest in
criminal justice issues and majored in administration of
justice while in college.
To support himself through college, Diop worked
two jobs during the day and cleaned floors for a
janitorial company at night. Diop joined the
Ventura County Sheriffs Department after graduating
college in 1980. During his employment Diop found
acts of racism a frequent occurrence at the
Ventura County Sheriffs Academy. Minorities were
targeted and washed-out by the staff often
without cause. Black recruits were subjected to
disparate discipline from their white counterparts
and racial taunting by white recruits were ignored
by the staff. Diop survived the Academy and
began working custody duty with his fellow recruits.
In 1982 Diop transferred from the Ventura County
Sheriffs to the Hawthorne California Police
Department where he would be closer to his family
and to get away from discrimination within the
Sheriffs department. Diop sought to rise above the
racism and continue toward his ultimate goal of
police chief. Diop worked a variety of assignments
including vice-narcotics, traffic enforcement, and
detectives. While a detective, Diop was promoted
to an undercover assignment on a
multi-jurisdictional task force. During his a
ssignment with the West Regional Burglary Team, Diop
was involved in the recovery of over 500,000
dollars in stolen property and 300 arrests. Diop took
three promotional exams while working with the
Hawthorne Police Department. He placed first on
each exam. Diop made sergeant faster than any
other officer in the department and he was the
youngest sergeant on the force at twenty-nine.
Diop received several awards for exceptional
performance in seven years with the Hawthorne
Police Department.
Despite his success as an officer, Diop
continued to witness many acts of racism
and brutality.
Shortly after his promotion Diop's fellow officers
engaged in a series of racists jokes. In January of
1987 he received a phony police report about a
black man passed out in a watermelon patch. On
one occasion a supervisor directed him not to
take a rape report on a black female victim. The
supervisor said that black women enjoyed being
raped and that he did not consider it a crime. Diop
filed a complaint against the officer. The officer,
was only given a written reprimand.
Diop became increasingly frustrated with the
overt racism he experienced and he found that the
racism increased after he became a supervisor.
Some Hawthorne officers even typed out racist
remarks over police computer terminals. In one
exchange an officers quipped, What's the definition
of the American dream? Thirty-thousand blacks
swimming back to Africa with a Jew under each
arm." Diop also found that white officers repeatedly
posted racist literature on the walls of the police
station. In February 1987 Diop filed a complaint
with the Chief of police.
Less then two months later, Diop's crises came
to a head when his father was detained by police.
Woodrow Jackson, still a sheriff deputy after
twenty-eight years, was traveling home with Diop's
sister and four nieces and nephews in a van. They
were stopped by the Pomona California Police
Department. The officers ordered Diop's sister and
children (all under 4 years old) out of the van
while directing a loaded shotgun into the passenger
window. With a shotgun and other weapons
aimed in her direction, Diop's sister was told
to lay prone on the ground with her 6 month old infant.
Diop's father was grabbed by the officers. Diop's
sister told the officers that her father had a heart
condition and begged them not to hurt him. Woodrow
Jackson explained that he was a police officer
and that he had identification in his pocket. The
officers did not believe him. Woodrow was lifted off
the ground and slammed face first into the curb.
He was then beaten by the officers. The officers
stopped their attack when Woodrow's police
identification fell from his pocket. Woodrow was
seriously injured. The officers had dislodged a
kidney apparatus previously placed in Woodrow's
side during surgery. Woodrow was recovering from
a heart attack at the time of the beating.
Afterward, the officers explained that Diop's
sixty-five year old father matched the description of a
twenty-five year old robbery suspect. They
told Woodrow Jackson that he should understand
because of his own police experience. Woodrow did
not understand. Although a complaint was filed
with the Pomona CA police department no officers
were ever disciplined. Five years later some of
the same officers were suspended for other acts
of abuse against citizens. After accepting the
officer's version of events a local court judge
dismissed Woodrow Jackson's claim for damages
against the Pomona Police Department.
After the attack Diop decided to go public with
his complaint of racism in police organizations. Diop
began speaking on issues of racism at universities
and community organizations. Diop also began
testifying as an expert witness against fellow police
officers in court. Diop organized and coordinated
the efforts of black officers in California to
combat racism. He formed an organization called Law
Enforcement Officers for Justice in 1988. The
officers began to protest and litigate against
departments that discriminated against black officers
and abused black citizens. Diop felt that there
were areas in Los Angeles where black men were
not free to travel. Diop began organizing
undercover operations against police departments
to expose police racism and excessive force.
Diop attempted a "sting operation" against the
Los Angeles Police Department in February of 1988.
Diop and six companions were stopped while walking
through the posh Westwood Village area of
Los Angeles. Diop was arrested by Los Angeles
Police officers who did not know he was a police
officer nor that he was being video taped. Diop
was charged with blocking a sidewalk. Charges
were later dismissed.
Diop planned a second sting against the Long
Beach California Police Department in 1989 on the
eve of the Dr. Martin Luther King holiday. Diop
invited a national news crew from the NBC Today
Show to follow. Shortly after arriving in Long
Beach Diop and a companion, driving a aging Buick,
were stopped by officers of the Long Beach CA.
Police Department. Diop was beaten and arrested
for resisting arrest and obstructing an investigation.
During the encounter the officer forced Diop's
head through a plate glass window. After the video
tape of the incident was released the officers
were charged with assault and falsifying police
reports. The jury deadlocked along racial lines. The
officers were never convicted. However, each
officer retired on a disability pension arranged for by
the Long Beach Police Department and city officials.
It was obvious that the lead officer, Mark
Dickey, had lied repeatedly in his police report
and in his interview with Long Beach Internal Affairs.
Nevertheless, the police department did not find
either officer guilty of any offense. The FBI and
Justice Department also cleared the officers of any
wrong doing in spite of the falsified police report
and the video taped attack.
Because of his investigation the California State
Legislature increased the penalties for falsifying a
police report from a misdemeanor to a felony and
every officer in the state is now required to attend
classes in racial sensitivity training. Diop continues
his advocacy and his investigations of police
abuse today. Diop formed the Police Complaint Center
(a non-profit organization) in 1994 to
document and track police abuse incidents across the
United States. Diop is now the Executive
Director of the Center. Diop has appeared on several
talk shows, debates and public forums to
educate the public about the pervasiveness of police
misconduct (see photos above.)
Diop is married to activist and actress Tyra Ferrell,
noted for her work in the films Boyz N The
Hood, White Men Can't Jump, Poetic Justice, and Jungle
Fever.
Diop and Tyra have one child, Amina Nataki Kamau. Diop
is currently a McKnight Fellow at
Florida State University, where he is completing
his Ph.D. in criminology.
GHalleck
SPD978 wrote in message <361C4C...@squonk.net>...
>GHalleck wrote:
How so?
>Why would you dislike exposers off corruption?
>
Because he is subjective in his "investigations" and it shows in his work.
He also contributes to the incidents of "abuse" that he reports.
Additionally, and I admit bias in this area, I think he had bigger fish to
fry and took the easy way out. By this, I mean that he can hang his hat on
at least some success as a cop and administrator....why not end racism and
abuse in police work by staying in a position to better effect it? It seems
that he had some difficulties in the areas of tact and interpersonal
communication (to give Rock some credit) and that this lead eventually to
his demise as an officer. I'm sure that the incident with his father lit
the candle in a big way. Strange how the undercover work started soon
afterward.
Now Kamau spends his time making money in this venture....much as many cops
turn to pursuits such as anti-law-enforcement private investigation, public
defender investigations, anti-LE "expert" witness work, etc, etc.... if he
sleeps at night, so be it. It's a personal choice. One that would choke
me.
>>I posted Diop's credentials below.
>
>"He was garbage"- Sgt. Rock
>
>I emailed your comments to him Rock.
>
Great. Tell him that I think he's a piece of shit too! :)
GHalleck
SPD978
Because you make a man enforcing the law out to be the bad guy because
he profiles cops.
> >Why would you dislike exposers off corruption?
> >
>
> Because he is subjective in his "investigations" and it shows in his work.
Just like cops do.
> He also contributes to the incidents of "abuse" that he reports.
Just like cops do.
> Additionally, and I admit bias in this area, I think he had bigger fish to
> fry and took the easy way out.
You sound like a sniveling doper or speeder. "Why aren't you after
the "real" criminals?".
> By this, I mean that he can hang his hat on
> at least some success as a cop and administrator....why not end racism and
> abuse in police work by staying in a position to better effect it?
Conflict of interest.
> It seems
> that he had some difficulties in the areas of tact and interpersonal
> communication (to give Rock some credit) and that this lead eventually to
> his demise as an officer.
From what I see the only conflict was with scumbag cops.
> I'm sure that the incident with his father lit
> the candle in a big way. Strange how the undercover work started soon
> afterward.
Not strange. Another dirty cop hater was born from the seeds planted
by the scumbag cops.
> Now Kamau spends his time making money in this venture....much as many cops
> turn to pursuits such as anti-law-enforcement private investigation, public
> defender investigations, anti-LE "expert" witness work, etc, etc.... if he
> sleeps at night, so be it. It's a personal choice. One that would choke
> me.
A dirty job, but someone has to do it.
> >>I posted Diop's credentials below.
> >
> >"He was garbage"- Sgt. Rock
> >
> >I emailed your comments to him Rock.
> >
>
> Great. Tell him that I think he's a piece of shit too! :)
>
> GHalleck
Done.
GHalleck
SPD978 wrote in message <361D95...@squonk.net>...
>
>Because you make a man enforcing the law out to be the bad guy because
>he profiles cops.
>
That was my point...that he IS a bad guy. That's not "spin" (implying that
I changed or distorted facts), it's opinion. And I defended the opinion by
articulating why he is a scumbag. Personally, I respect you more than him,
despite his success and "skill"....
>> >Why would you dislike exposers off corruption?
>> >
>>
>> Because he is subjective in his "investigations" and it shows in his
work.
>
>Just like cops do.
>
Here come a series of easy answers. "Just like cops do" is not an answer.
You can play "He did, she did" all you want but you're not addressing the
issues. In any case, when subjective police work becomes a problem, it's
addressed in court. When Kamau goes overboard, all that's remembered is the
cop's "misconduct." For instance, Kamau's group inserts itself into the
middle of a police action, with the intent of "starting something" and an
officer tells them to get bent....."disrespect" complaint. Give me a break.
He did the job and doubtlessly told people in the same instances to take a
flying leap. I know of NO cop that's so superior that he never becomes
human at times.
>> He also contributes to the incidents of "abuse" that he reports.
>
>Just like cops do.
>
Again, easy but not answering anything.
>> Additionally, and I admit bias in this area, I think he had bigger fish
to
>> fry and took the easy way out.
>
>You sound like a sniveling doper or speeder. "Why aren't you after
>the "real" criminals?".
>
Personally, I could care less about speeders. Dopers only become a problem
when they steal to support their filthy habits. I DO spend my time on real
criminals. Read on...
>> By this, I mean that he can hang his hat on
>> at least some success as a cop and administrator....why not end racism
and
>> abuse in police work by staying in a position to better effect it?
>
>Conflict of interest.
>
Wrong. Another easy and WRONG answer. It's easy to throw your hands up
into the air and rant. The world is filled with these types of
"problem-solvers." Thank God for those that have the courage to remain
around and effect REAL change through balanced and RATIONAL action!!
There is no "conflict of interest," although it's satisfyingly flippant.
Kamau had come aboard for the big win. He presents a portion of his
successes on his own web page. He obviously had taken the pill and come
aboard for the big (and largely PROHIBITIONIST) win!! LOL!! Did you miss
that part in your glee to defend him? :)
Kamau at one time was on the team and was proud to be there. He endured the
racism he percieved as long as things went his way. When he encountered a
moderate amount of personal conflict in his department, he buckled. He went
over the side when his father was stopped. I do not see where he affected
any change or endured any severe treatment for any amount of time or where
he made any effort to address the race issue, with the exception of filing a
complaint against a superior after an argument. Thank God for those still
working to address race issues within police departments.
>> It seems
>> that he had some difficulties in the areas of tact and interpersonal
>> communication (to give Rock some credit) and that this lead eventually to
>> his demise as an officer.
>
>From what I see the only conflict was with scumbag cops.
>
Then you take a misinformed, naive and simplistic view on things. You can
view Kamau as a Serpico style saint (funny how antis gravitate to these
types) but you might like to open your eyes wider before lining up. If you
think that Kamau did not contribute to his own problems and rationalize his
own conduct and that he did not use his movement as a tool of revenge, then
you are so very innocent! I would take whatever lumps he rightfully hands
the profession but at the same time keep him, his motives and the context of
his operations clearly in mind.
>> I'm sure that the incident with his father lit
>> the candle in a big way. Strange how the undercover work started soon
>> afterward.
>
> Not strange. Another dirty cop hater was born from the seeds planted
>by the scumbag cops.
>
The point was that his "concerns" for racism and police excessive force
sky-rocketed following a personal incident. He fired off his angry letter
to the chief and was soon trolling for cops undercover. Hello! Where was
this bitter resentment and concern for his fellow man while he was making
overtime stepping on dopers? By his own words, the incident DID NOT blossom
his concerns of racism. He claims that he always resented racism in police
work. Whatever.
>> Now Kamau spends his time making money in this venture....much as many
cops
>> turn to pursuits such as anti-law-enforcement private investigation,
public
>> defender investigations, anti-LE "expert" witness work, etc, etc.... if
he
>> sleeps at night, so be it. It's a personal choice. One that would choke
>> me.
>
>A dirty job, but someone has to do it.
>
The first accurate thing you've said.
>> >>I posted Diop's credentials below.
>> >
>> >"He was garbage"- Sgt. Rock
>> >
>> >I emailed your comments to him Rock.
>> >
>>
>> Great. Tell him that I think he's a piece of shit too! :)
>>
>> GHalleck
>
>
>Done.
Thanks. I don't anticipate any response from him though....he knows that I
know the real deal...........
GHalleck
SPD978
I certainly won't cry when he takes
> a
> >> >> bullet through his head. :)
> >> >>
> >> >> GHalleck
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Nice spin ghalleck.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How so?
> >
> >Because you make a man enforcing the law out to be the bad guy because
> >he profiles cops.
> >
>
> That was my point...that he IS a bad guy. That's not "spin" (implying that
> I changed or distorted facts), it's opinion.
He's a bad guy for profiling the profilers?
Have you been hanging out with Earl?
> And I defended the opinion by
> articulating why he is a scumbag. Personally, I respect you more than him,
> despite his success and "skill"....
What makes him a bad guy? Because he quit the brotherhood and is
using it against them?
> >> >Why would you dislike exposers off corruption?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Because he is subjective in his "investigations" and it shows in his
> work.
> >
> >Just like cops do.
> >
>
> Here come a series of easy answers. "Just like cops do" is not an answer.
> You can play "He did, she did" all you want but you're not addressing the
> issues. In any case, when subjective police work becomes a problem, it's
> addressed in court.
Court is too late. This is proactive hunting of bad cops. I see no
difference between targetting criminal cops and targetting dopers.
The same results would apply to both. A percentage of innocent will
be nabbed by the hunters whose livelihood depend on finding more of
the targets. Rules will be broken and justified by the result. You see
whether they are guilty or innocent it doesn't matter to the hunter.
If you want to rid society of bad cops the citizens must stand up
to each and every abusive cop, even if it sometimes requires a few
innocent careers and families to be destroyed.
It's Karma, you can't stop it. He is your collective seed sown,
coming back to his creator.
> When Kamau goes overboard, all that's remembered is the
> cop's "misconduct." For instance, Kamau's group inserts itself into the
> middle of a police action, with the intent of "starting something" and an
> officer tells them to get bent....."disrespect" complaint.
He has every right to interfere if he feels the cop is acting
unlawfully,
not if the cop allows it.
> >> He also contributes to the incidents of "abuse" that he reports.
> >
> >Just like cops do.
> >
>
> Again, easy but not answering anything.
I answered it, you don't like my assertion that cops will contribute
to the truthfulness of their incident reports.
> >> Additionally, and I admit bias in this area, I think he had bigger fish
> to
> >> fry and took the easy way out.
> >
> >You sound like a sniveling doper or speeder. "Why aren't you after
> >the "real" criminals?".
> >
>
> Personally, I could care less about speeders. Dopers only become a problem
> when they steal to support their filthy habits. I DO spend my time on real
> criminals. Read on...
>
> >> By this, I mean that he can hang his hat on
> >> at least some success as a cop and administrator....why not end racism
> and
> >> abuse in police work by staying in a position to better effect it?
> >
> >Conflict of interest.
> >
> Wrong. Another easy and WRONG answer. It's easy to throw your hands up
> into the air and rant. The world is filled with these types of
> "problem-solvers." Thank God for those that have the courage to remain
> around and effect REAL change through balanced and RATIONAL action!!
>
> There is no "conflict of interest," although it's satisfyingly flippant.
> Kamau had come aboard for the big win. He presents a portion of his
> successes on his own web page. He obviously had taken the pill and come
> aboard for the big (and largely PROHIBITIONIST) win!! LOL!! Did you miss
> that part in your glee to defend him? :)
I never defended him, I questioned you and provided data. You
misunderstood.
> Kamau at one time was on the team and was proud to be there.
Until he saw their true colors.
> He endured the
> racism he percieved as long as things went his way. When he encountered a
> moderate amount of personal conflict in his department, he buckled. He went
> over the side when his father was stopped.
Assaulted. For being balck and within forty years of the age of
the alleged suspect.
> I do not see where he affected
> any change or endured any severe treatment for any amount of time or where
> he made any effort to address the race issue, with the exception of filing a
> complaint against a superior after an argument.
No, his changes are made now.
> Thank God for those still
> working to address race issues within police departments.
Racial relations officers?
> >> It seems
> >> that he had some difficulties in the areas of tact and interpersonal
> >> communication (to give Rock some credit) and that this lead eventually to
> >> his demise as an officer.
> >
> >From what I see the only conflict was with scumbag cops.
> >
>
> Then you take a misinformed, naive and simplistic view on things.
You have the tunnelvision, not me. I can see that he has done some good
and possibly been over enthusiastic and caused more harm than good. It's
all that police training. He learned that targetted individuals need not
be guilty of anything, but because they are known to be bad guys, they
are
the target just the same.
Just like cops. Cops accept when they destroy a life by mistake.
He's no longer a cop so he's not allowed to wrongfully accuse any more.
> You can
> view Kamau as a Serpico style saint (funny how antis gravitate to these
> types) but you might like to open your eyes wider before lining up.
I never said he was a saint, I questioned why you thought a profiler
of criminals was a bad guy.
> >> I'm sure that the incident with his father lit
> >> the candle in a big way. Strange how the undercover work started soon
> >> afterward.
> >
> > Not strange. Another dirty cop hater was born from the seeds planted
> >by the scumbag cops.
> >
>
> The point was that his "concerns" for racism and police excessive force
> sky-rocketed following a personal incident. He fired off his angry letter
> to the chief and was soon trolling for cops undercover. Hello! Where was
> this bitter resentment and concern for his fellow man while he was making
> overtime stepping on dopers?
This would be known as the nepotism of law enforcement. When it was
convenient for him he enjoyed the power. When the power was used against
his family, he modified his nepotism to include his family over the
brotherhood. Once he stood against the cops for treatment of his dad,
his career was over. He would be an outcast forever, perhaps a few shots
in the back during a raid like the cop in Dallas. I counted three shots
minimum to his back and shoulder from the details given. At least two
from the vest and one from the shoulder.
> By his own words, the incident DID NOT blossom
> his concerns of racism. He claims that he always resented racism in police
> work. Whatever.
That's funny, because I have come to realize that individual racist
action is not a great problem. I believe it's the management of the
departments that are the problem.
> >> Now Kamau spends his time making money in this venture....much as many
> cops
> >> turn to pursuits such as anti-law-enforcement private investigation,
> public
> >> defender investigations, anti-LE "expert" witness work, etc, etc.... if
> he
> >> sleeps at night, so be it. It's a personal choice. One that would choke
> >> me.
> >
> >A dirty job, but someone has to do it.
> >
>
> The first accurate thing you've said.
>
> >> >>I posted Diop's credentials below.
> >> >
> >> >"He was garbage"- Sgt. Rock
> >> >
> >> >I emailed your comments to him Rock.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Great. Tell him that I think he's a piece of shit too! :)
> >>
> >> GHalleck
> >
> >
> >Done.
>
> Thanks. I don't anticipate any response from him though....he knows that I
> know the real deal...........
He knows you?
> GHalleck
GHalleck
SPD978 wrote in message <361E18...@squonk.net>...
>> >> >Nice spin ghalleck.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> How so?
>> >
>> >Because you make a man enforcing the law out to be the bad guy because
>> >he profiles cops.
>> >
>>
>> That was my point...that he IS a bad guy. That's not "spin" (implying
that
>> I changed or distorted facts), it's opinion.
>
>He's a bad guy for profiling the profilers?
Are you being dense for kicks? LOL. Three posts back I stated the
following, articulating why Kamau is a piece of dung:
"Because he is subjective in his "investigations" and it shows in his work.
He also contributes to the incidents of "abuse" that he reports.
Additionally, and I admit bias in this area, I think he had bigger fish to
fry and took the easy way out. By this, I mean that he can hang his hat on
at least some success as a cop and administrator....why not end racism and
abuse in police work by staying in a position to better effect it? It seems
that he had some difficulties in the areas of tact and interpersonal
communication (to give Rock some credit) and that this lead eventually to
his demise as an officer. I'm sure that the incident with his father lit
the candle in a big way. Strange how the undercover work started soon
afterward."
Now where did I mention anything about profiling?
>What makes him a bad guy? Because he quit the brotherhood and is
>using it against them?
>
Personally, it's not my cup of tea but I won't hang my hat on that to
justify my opinion of him...
>> >> >Why would you dislike exposers off corruption?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Because he is subjective in his "investigations" and it shows in his
>> work.
>> >
>> >Just like cops do.
>> >
>>
>> Here come a series of easy answers. "Just like cops do" is not an
answer.
>> You can play "He did, she did" all you want but you're not addressing the
>> issues. In any case, when subjective police work becomes a problem, it's
>> addressed in court.
>
> Court is too late.
In your opinion. Fortunately our system doesn't agree and you and I are
offered due process.
This is proactive hunting of bad cops. I see no
>difference between targetting criminal cops and targetting dopers.
That's a two edged-sword. Would you also like to see more law suits filed
by wrongly accused officers, like the recent decision regarding Steven Pagon
and Tawana Brawley (also add big-mouth Al Sharpton, Vernon Mason and Alton
Maddox). $345,000 from the guys and something like $170,000 from Brawley
(I briefly heard the Brawley part on the radio today) for defaming Pagon.
These suits are becoming more common place.
>The same results would apply to both. A percentage of innocent will
>be nabbed by the hunters whose livelihood depend on finding more of
>the targets. Rules will be broken and justified by the result. You see
>whether they are guilty or innocent it doesn't matter to the hunter.
>
That would be fair if every cop believed it was okay to ruin lives, right or
wrong. The vast majority of us try to be fair and operate under a belief in
jurisprudence and due process.
> If you want to rid society of bad cops the citizens must stand up
>to each and every abusive cop, even if it sometimes requires a few
>innocent careers and families to be destroyed.
>
Just wait and see what types you attract to law enforcement with policies
like that. When you remove the incentives that attract honest, hard working
people, you will be left with opportunists and mercenaries. Fortunately,
saner minds dictate policy.
> It's Karma, you can't stop it. He is your collective seed sown,
>coming back to his creator.
>
It's not my karma and it ain't coming back to me...
>> When Kamau goes overboard, all that's remembered is the
>> cop's "misconduct." For instance, Kamau's group inserts itself into the
>> middle of a police action, with the intent of "starting something" and an
>> officer tells them to get bent....."disrespect" complaint.
>
> He has every right to interfere if he feels the cop is acting
>unlawfully,
>not if the cop allows it.
>
>
I didn't say he didn't have the right...I said he was less than honorable.
You can do many legal things and still be scum.
>> >> He also contributes to the incidents of "abuse" that he reports.
>> >
>> >Just like cops do.
>> >
>>
>> Again, easy but not answering anything.
>
> I answered it, you don't like my assertion that cops will contribute
>to the truthfulness of their incident reports.
>
Yet, we were discussing my criticisms of Kamau. What some cops do has
nothing to do with Kamau and does not justify his over-zealousness.
Word it anyway you want.....you offered an argument and "data" that
supported his position and challenged mine.
>> Kamau at one time was on the team and was proud to be there.
>
>Until he saw their true colors.
>
This is the most disingenuous point you TRY to make! Hahaha!! The man was
a cop for ten years, indicating on his own web page that he encountered
incidents of racism in the academy!!! He worked in Narcotics! HELLO!!
LOL!!! You're killing me with this one!
>> He endured the
>> racism he percieved as long as things went his way. When he encountered
a
>> moderate amount of personal conflict in his department, he buckled. He
went
>> over the side when his father was stopped.
>
> Assaulted. For being balck and within forty years of the age of
>the alleged suspect.
>
Too bad you pick nits....the officers were cleared by multiple
investigations and in court.
>> I do not see where he affected
>> any change or endured any severe treatment for any amount of time or
where
>> he made any effort to address the race issue, with the exception of
filing a
>> complaint against a superior after an argument.
>
>No, his changes are made now.
>
Exactly my point. He took the easy path. Thanks for acknowledging it.
>> Thank God for those still
>> working to address race issues within police departments.
>
>Racial relations officers?
>
No silly, administrators, officers and other employees working in good faith
to correct the type of thinking that leads to racism. Quiet, courageous
people you'll never see on Nightline who take a stand on a daily basis to do
the right thing and convince others to do so. They don't quit or sue when
the going gets tough....they deal with it.
>> >> It seems
>> >> that he had some difficulties in the areas of tact and interpersonal
>> >> communication (to give Rock some credit) and that this lead eventually
to
>> >> his demise as an officer.
>> >
>> >From what I see the only conflict was with scumbag cops.
>> >
>>
>> Then you take a misinformed, naive and simplistic view on things.
>
> You have the tunnelvision, not me. I can see that he has done some good
>and possibly been over enthusiastic and caused more harm than good. It's
>all that police training. He learned that targetted individuals need not
>be guilty of anything, but because they are known to be bad guys, they
>are
>the target just the same.
>
> Just like cops. Cops accept when they destroy a life by mistake.
>
> He's no longer a cop so he's not allowed to wrongfully accuse any more.
>
This adds nothing but to confirm your bias to others. Do ANY cops do the
right thing as far as you're concerned?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Great. Tell him that I think he's a piece of shit too! :)
>> >>
>> >> GHalleck
>> >
>> >
>> >Done.
>>
>> Thanks. I don't anticipate any response from him though....he knows that
I
>> know the real deal...........
>
> He knows you?
>
Not personally but he knows ANY cop will know that his act is a BS one.
GHalleck
erns...@usa.net
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