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Ken (NY)

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On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:59:16 -0500, "Douglas Deaton"
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>
>James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com>
>
>> But if you liked my website, you ought to feel rather uncomfortable
>> when you arrest people like my son.
>
>I think we've gotten to the heart of the matter.
>
>Doug
>
I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are
anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has. It
is not the crime nor the cops who enforced the law whom they really
should blame, it is the moral weakness of the person who allowed
himself to commit the crime. But since they won't be honest enough to
put the blame where it belongs: on the criminal, that leaves only one
visible target - the poor cop.
Cordially,
--

Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department of Redundancy Department,
___________________________________
"I saw a cop fall to the ground, and then
I saw Jamal standing over him and firing
some more shots into him...I know who shot
the cop and I ain't going to forget it."
-- Eyewitness Robert Chobert
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http://www.cspc.org/books/thoughts/cop_killer.htm
http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/nov99/msg01862.html

RichaHovis

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Ken writes:
<<I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are
anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has. It
is not the crime nor the cops who enforced the law whom they really
should blame, it is the moral weakness of the person who allowed
himself to commit the crime. But since they won't be honest enough to
put the blame where it belongs: on the criminal, that leaves only one
visible target - the poor cop.
Cordially,
--

Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department of Redundancy Department,>>


Ken, sometimes I wondwer where you get your information.Personally, I think
you're shooting from the hip.

Okay, bud, one more time, and read my lips carefully: this is NOT an anti-cop
site.It deals with police abuses and police misconduct.If you can't handle the
fact that there are cops out there who are breaking the law, go ahead and live
in your little bubble.


I have found that most of the people I have talked to on this NG are
law-abiding people like myself who have even had to call the police on
occasion(not that it does much good where I live).

Even if an individual has broken the law, regardless of what they have done,
they still deserve to be read their rights, and they have the right to a fair
trial.They do not deserve to be bullied, shot or whatever, no matter how
horrendous their crime.

And please spare me the "poor cop" line.
I've seen more corruption and police misconduct in the past years than I care
to admit.

R.H.
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Mr Bubba

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Ken (NY) wrote in message... I've said this before: ALL of these

newsgroupers who are
anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has.

I think Ken meant "newsgroupers who are anti-cop", and I have seen some
lately myself in other NG's.

But just in case, I have lived the past 43 years without so much as a
traffic citation, yes I have made mistakes and done things that were wrong.
The two times I was arrested, were not for committing crimes (this was
proven in a court of law), I was arrested for complaining about the
inadequate investigation of a crime that was committed against me. I was
arrested because police officer's lied. A police officer completed an arson
report that did not even mention the evidence that he collected at the
scene, never even listed a suspect. A police officer investigating an arson
never even spoke to the suspect or verified his whereabouts that day. The
fire marshall was not notified of this arson. A trained arson investigator,
the police chief never even responded to the scene. This was blatant
dereliction of duty, and the motive, to protect the suspect...the officers
friend. So let's arrest the victim, let's harass his family, let's destroy
their lives with GOOD, HONEST, Law Enforcement, and commit more crimes in
the process, just because they complained.

Bubba (I am anti-"criminal cop")

James A. Donald

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On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:54:09 GMT, ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net (Ken
(NY)) wrote:
> I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are anti-cop
> have either committed a crime or have a relative who has. It is not
> the crime nor the cops who enforced the law whom they really should
> blame, it is the moral weakness of the person who allowed himself to
> commit the crime.

But in the vast majority of cases, these acts are not immoral, merely
forbidden. In particular, there is nothing morally wrong with
possessing a blade two and five eights of an inch long on a university
campus, which is the felony offense that my son was charged with.

The problem is that the police selectively and capriciously enforce
draconian laws that forbid all sorts of arcane and obscure things that
people are unlikely to know are illegal, and unlikely to obey if they
do know.

There are so many laws that everyone breaks them all the time, and
cops break them more frequently and more conspicuously than anyone
else, precisely because they can get away with it. Indeed most people
can get away with it, even when they are a famous musician and get
exposed as breaking them in the newspapers. These laws are enforced
unpredictably, capriciously, and unfairly. They are enforced against
people of the wrong race, against out of towners in small towns, and
against people who fail to show cops the respect that ignorant vicious
goons imagine is due to ignorant vicious goons. If George Bush was an
uppity nigger, he would be doing ten years for cocaine. If Clinton
had not been Good Old Boy, he would be doing several years for sexual
assault. The laws makes us all criminals, but the cops are the real
criminals, for when we break the laws we harm no one, but the cops
break laws, and do real damage to real people in the process.

--digsig
James A. Donald
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------
We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.

http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ James A. Donald

Mr Bubba

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James A. Donald wrote in message <39e16757...@nntp1.ba.best.com>...

>But in the vast majority of cases, these acts are not immoral, merely
>forbidden. In particular, there is nothing morally wrong with
>possessing a blade two and five eights of an inch long on a university
>campus, which is the felony offense that my son was charged with.

Interesting, recently my son, 15, entered the federal courthouse with his
mother. He didn't think about having his pocket knife with him, and he
approached the metal detector. The officer took the knife, and said; "any
good country boy always has his pocket knife with him, you can pick it up on
the way out". The blade was probably 3-31/2 inch, and it was a lockblade.
Obviously the officer being a professional knew that no intent, or motive
existed for this boy to commit a crime. This is also known as common sense,
some got it some don't.

http://Lake-Lure-Citizen.freeservers.com

James A. Donald

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James A. Donald wrote in message
<39e16757...@nntp1.ba.best.com>...
> > But in the vast majority of cases, these acts are not immoral,
> > merely forbidden. In particular, there is nothing morally wrong
> > with possessing a blade two and five eights of an inch long on a
> > university campus, which is the felony offense that my son was
> > charged with.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:21:19 -0400, "Mr Bubba" <mrb...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:


> Interesting, recently my son, 15, entered the federal courthouse
> with his mother. He didn't think about having his pocket knife with
> him, and he approached the metal detector. The officer took the
> knife, and said; "any good country boy always has his pocket knife
> with him, you can pick it up on the way out". The blade was probably
> 3-31/2 inch, and it was a lockblade. Obviously the officer being a
> professional knew that no intent, or motive existed for this boy to
> commit a crime. This is also known as common sense, some got it some
> don't.

Also known as selective enforcement. My wife is Vietnamese, my son
half Vietnamese. Davis university forcefully discourages Asian
students. On LA campus where he now goes, doubtless the police would
exercise common sense.

Similarly we observe that there is a large and increasing class of
people who are not subjected to the drug laws, much as in the closing
years of prohibition there was a large and increasing class of people
who were not subjected to the alcohol laws.

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James A. Donald
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Mr Bubba

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I agree, some law enforcement is operating in this manner. Just as in my 2nd
case, rather then arrest the neighbors husband for assault committed against
my wife, they selectively decided to arrest me for an alleged mere
statement.
This is also happening in the judicial process, as I'm sure your well aware.
Excellent links on your page.

Bubba

Bob

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I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are
anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has.
-- Spoken with the analytical mind of a cop.
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where people have a good time.

Debbie

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>From: "Mr Bubba" mrb...@bellsouth.net
>Date: 10/1/00 9:42 AM Central Daylight Time
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>
>
>Ken (NY) wrote in message... I've said this before: ALL of these

>newsgroupers who are
>anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has.
>
>I think Ken meant "newsgroupers who are anti-cop", and I have seen some
>lately myself in other NG's.

I can't understand how Ken could make such a stupid statement.
Debbie

Michael Zarlenga

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In alt.law-enforcement Bob <coac...@cybersurfers.net> wrote:
: I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are

: anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has.
: -- Spoken with the analytical mind of a cop.

Some have simply run into bad cops (brutal ones, perjurers,
etc) and remember them.

--
-- Mike Zarlenga

Sgt. Doe

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The "some" that Zarlenga mentions are mostly the "some" who receive
citations for speeding, stop sign, traffic light,insurance,Inspection
sticker, and safety movement violations.

Sgt. Doe


Peter H. Proctor

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In article <stg3iak...@corp.supernews.com> Michael Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> writes:
>From: Michael Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net>

>Subject: Re: DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BOY'S DEATH (Letters section from
>Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 04:25:46 -0000

I got my eyes opened when I kept running into obviously false
testimony ( especially faked crime lab stuff ) in cases I got involved in as
a forensics expert. Admittedly a biased sample--- if there were not a
question, I probably would not have become involved.

There is a lot of pressure on crime lab people to come up with the
"right" answer here in Houston. A few years ago, the head of the county DNA
lab got fired for not going along.

Dr P

Gomer

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> I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are
> anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has.

Well duh! Name one single person in the US who has NOT committed a crime
without paying their court determined penalty.

> is not the crime nor the cops who enforced the law whom they really
> should blame, it is the moral weakness of the person who allowed
> himself to commit the crime.

No, it is a system that makes everyone criminals.

> But since they won't be honest enough to
> put the blame where it belongs: on the criminal, that leaves only one
> visible target - the poor cop.

Can you be honest and admit you have violated laws for which you haven't yet
been punished?


James A. Donald

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On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 04:25:46 -0000, Michael Zarlenga
<zarl...@conan.ids.net> wrote:
> Some have simply run into bad cops (brutal ones, perjurers,
> etc) and remember them.

Here is my sample:

I have twice been a victim of crimes were it was reasonably feasible
to find the offender, where I knew approximately where the offender
lived, and could recognize him. The police showed absolutely no
interest in assisting. The police have never given me any protection
or assistance.

I have never been arrested, but I have committed innumerable
misdemeanors and felonies. However I have never committed any
felonies of the kind that people of my race and class (white,
affluent) get arrested for when we commit them. On several occasions
I was caught committing a prohibited act, and was let off, but I never
felt grateful for being let off, because there was nothing morally
wrong with what I was doing and lots of people, probably most police,
do similar things.

I have twice been bullied and threatened with arrest when I had done
nothing wrong, broken no law, and the police had no probable cause.

My son, who had done nothing morally wrong, was arrested for a crime
which he would probably not have been arrested for had he been white.

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Ken (NY)

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:21:19 -0400, "Mr Bubba" <mrb...@bellsouth.net>
ejaculated:

>
>James A. Donald wrote in message <39e16757...@nntp1.ba.best.com>...
>>But in the vast majority of cases, these acts are not immoral, merely
>>forbidden. In particular, there is nothing morally wrong with
>>possessing a blade two and five eights of an inch long on a university
>>campus, which is the felony offense that my son was charged with.
>

>Interesting, recently my son, 15, entered the federal courthouse with his
>mother. He didn't think about having his pocket knife with him, and he
>approached the metal detector. The officer took the knife, and said; "any
>good country boy always has his pocket knife with him, you can pick it up on
>the way out". The blade was probably 3-31/2 inch, and it was a lockblade.
>Obviously the officer being a professional knew that no intent, or motive
>existed for this boy to commit a crime. This is also known as common sense,
>some got it some don't.
>

>http://Lake-Lure-Citizen.freeservers.com
>
James also does not explain what kind of knife his son
possessed. In most states, gravity, switchblades, butterflies,
daggers, dirks and similar knives cannot be legally possessed. Blade
length is not a factor in some states.
If people have a problem with a certain weapons law, the
obvious options are:
1. do not carry those kinds of weapons,
2. have the law changed by your representatives in government, or
3. continue to posess illegal weapons and get arrested once in a
while.
Cordially,
--

Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department of Redundancy Department,

Mr Bubba

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Would a machete in a tool box be considered a concealed weapon, it could be
a weapon, it is concealed. Again common sense would say if this was a
farmer...hunter, this would be a tool, not a weapon. However if this person
had numerous convictions for assault with a weapon, maybe that might
indicate a different intent. Intent, motive, criminal record, all would be a
consideration before arrest. This again is called discretion, common sense.

Bubba
http://Lake-Lure-Citizen.freeservers.com
The TRIAL of a Lake Lure Citizen

Debbie

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Hey, this scenerio reminds me of something that happened to my nephew a couple
of years ago. He was 17 and was stilling "getting used to" the standard shift
in the old truck he had just bought. As he and his 14 yr old sister were
leaving the high school parking lot he was pulled over by the officer that
worked at the school. Apparently he didn't do such a good job of changing
gears and "burned out" as he left. Could have really been an accident or,
knowing how 17 yr old boys are, it could have been something he intended to do.
Anyway, the officer saw a bat in the bed of the truck and ARRESTED him,
charging him with UCW (Unlawfully carrying a weapon). Now this happened during
baseball season. When Michael tried to explain to the officer that he played
baseball the officer wanted to know why he wasn't at practice????? The kid
played on a city league, he didn't play for the school, and he practiced at
night. He was taken to jail, his ragged old truck was impounded and his sister
was left stranded. Needless to say the charges were dismissed, but of course
his parents were out the bond money, the attorney fees and let's not forget the
cost to get the ragged truck out of impound. I suppose they really were lucky
though...the officer didn't give him a ticket for burning out, he gave him a
WARNING! Go figure???
Debbie

mb

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"Ole Debbie has an SOB cop story for every thread doesn't she.
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Debbie

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>
>"Ole Debbie has an SOB cop story for every thread doesn't she.

Hey Boy Wonder, at least I don't post a bunch of "one liners" which appears to
be all your capable of. Bubba, oh excuse me, that's "Our Fearless Leader" to
you, is right about who you really are. He had you figured out from day one.


Debbie

Mr Bubba

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You mean...you didn't have anti-cop rally's, and a burning of the officer in
effigy. Debbie, "mb" would be ashamed of you.
Again...common sense, if the kid had just been involved in an altercation of
some sort, maybe. But a baseball bat, during baseball season is ridiculous.
That would be like arrestin me for a weapons charge for havin my shotgun
hangin in the truck durin deer season. Ya know, every truck has a shotgun
hangin in the back winder during deer season...think of the increased
revenue.

mb

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Hell Bubba, she has an SOB cop story in every pocket.
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Xenox Code

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Bob wtites:

<<I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are
anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has.:>>

And I said before, not in so many words, that you are full of excrement.

Get over it.

R.H.

Xenox Code

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Mb, in your last post, you quoted an entire post by Debbie and Bubba and never
really commented on either of them.

I can forgive your lack of writing skills, but what exactly is your point?

R.H.

Ken (NY)

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On 02 Oct 2000 22:00:46 GMT, xeno...@aol.com (Xenox Code) had the
unmitigated audacity to write:

You missed this right at the top of his post:


"Ole Debbie has an SOB cop story for every thread doesn't she."

The problem is that some people like to put their reply at the
top instead of at the bottom, where most people place them. It
certainly is confusing.
Sincerely,

Peter White

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"Ken (NY)" <ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net> wrote in message
news:39e2d1e1...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...

> On 02 Oct 2000 22:00:46 GMT, xeno...@aol.com (Xenox Code) had the
> unmitigated audacity to write:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey Ken! Now that you're retired I see that your response header has
changed. There's a pill for that, you know. :)

PW

Xenox Code

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<<On 02 Oct 2000 22:00:46 GMT, xeno...@aol.com (Xenox Code) had the
unmitigated audacity to write:

>Mb, in your last post, you quoted an entire post by Debbie and Bubba and never
>really commented on either of them.
>
>I can forgive your lack of writing skills, but what exactly is your point?
>
>R.H.

You missed this right at the top of his post:
"Ole Debbie has an SOB cop story for every thread doesn't she."
The problem is that some people like to put their reply at the
top instead of at the bottom, where most people place them. It
certainly is confusing.
Sincerely,
--

Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department of Redundancy Department>>

Audacity had nothing to do with it, Ken.I simply didn't know what he what he
was talking about.Everything that he wrote was cluttered together in one small
space.

mb

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The copy quote was unintentional and I'm not so damn impressed with you
skills either. The point was what I said, can you read?

"Ken (NY)" <ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net> wrote in message
news:39e2d1e1...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> On 02 Oct 2000 22:00:46 GMT, xeno...@aol.com (Xenox Code) had the
> unmitigated audacity to write:
>
> >Mb, in your last post, you quoted an entire post by Debbie and Bubba and
never
> >really commented on either of them.
> >
> >I can forgive your lack of writing skills, but what exactly is your
point?
> >
> >R.H.
>
> You missed this right at the top of his post:
> "Ole Debbie has an SOB cop story for every thread doesn't she."
> The problem is that some people like to put their reply at the
> top instead of at the bottom, where most people place them. It
> certainly is confusing.
> Sincerely,
> --
>
> Ken (NY)
> Chairman,

Debbie

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>Message-id: <8rdh17$4ec$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>

>
>The copy quote was unintentional and I'm not so damn impressed with you
>skills either. The point was what I said, can you read?
>"Ken (NY)" <ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net> wrote in message
>news:39e2d1e1...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
>> On 02 Oct 2000 22:00:46 GMT, xeno...@aol.com (Xenox Code) had the
>> unmitigated audacity to write:
>>
>> >Mb, in your last post, you quoted an entire post by Debbie and Bubba and
>never
>> >really commented on either of them.
>> >
>> >I can forgive your lack of writing skills, but what exactly is your
>point?
>> >
>> >R.H.
>>
>> You missed this right at the top of his post:
>> "Ole Debbie has an SOB cop story for every thread doesn't she."
>> The problem is that some people like to put their reply at the
>> top instead of at the bottom, where most people place them. It
>> certainly is confusing.
>> Sincerely,
>> --
>>
>> Ken (NY)
>> Chairman,
>> Department of Redundancy Department,

mb, with that cheerful attitude you should make lots of friends here.

Debbie

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<<The copy quote was unintentional and I'm not so damn impressed with you
skills either. The point was what I said, can you read?>>

You're not impressed with "you skills"?

You should be.
At least I use proper English.

Ken (NY)

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On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:17:01 GMT, "Peter White" <pet...@att.net> had

the unmitigated audacity to write:

>
>"Ken (NY)" <ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net> wrote in message
>news:39e2d1e1...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
>> On 02 Oct 2000 22:00:46 GMT, xeno...@aol.com (Xenox Code) had the
>> unmitigated audacity to write:

>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Hey Ken! Now that you're retired I see that your response header has
>changed. There's a pill for that, you know. :)
>
>PW
>

My response header was changing almost weekly until several
anti-cop-critics here in the bird, having lost some argument with me,
began to bitterly complain about my "ejaculated" blurb. Obviously not
being the type who submits to the whining of critics, I kept it there
in spite - until recently when I realized that nobody was pretending
to be offended by it anymore. I can return it at any time though if
there are enough requests.
Sincerely,
--

Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department of Redundancy Department,

Ken (NY)

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Yes, I got it and understood. I was replying to someone who didn't see
it up here. No offense intended.

On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:53:11 -0400, "mb" <x...@x.com> had the unmitigated
audacity to write:
>The copy quote was unintentional and I'm not so damn impressed with you
>skills either. The point was what I said, can you read?

RichaHovis

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Ken writes:
<<My response header was changing almost weekly until several
anti-cop-critics here in the bird, having lost some argument with me,
began to bitterly complain about my "ejaculated" blurb. >>(Snipped)

Nobody here has "lost" any arguments with you, Ken.

You are so full of yourself that you amaze me.

R.H.

mb

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Hey Debbie, there must be a conspiracy against me. Think so? You 'n Bubba
have me wondering. Hey .... shhhhh !!! I saw a cop on the way home from
work yeaterday....shhh ! I think he followed me all the way home. Shhhhh
.... Maybe he was going to wait for me to get out of the car in the dark and
beat me up ... Don't tell anyone. BOO !!!

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mb

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I knew you'd catch that...a TYPO, can you forgive me?
"Xenox Code" <xeno...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> <<The copy quote was unintentional and I'm not so damn impressed with you
> skills either. The point was what I said, can you read?>>
>

mb

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OK.

"Ken (NY)" <ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net> wrote in message
news:39f24132...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...

> Yes, I got it and understood. I was replying to someone who didn't see
> it up here. No offense intended.
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:53:11 -0400, "mb" <x...@x.com> had the unmitigated
> audacity to write:
> >The copy quote was unintentional and I'm not so damn impressed with you
> >skills either. The point was what I said, can you read?
> >"Ken (NY)" <ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net> wrote in message
> >news:39e2d1e1...@netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> >> On 02 Oct 2000 22:00:46 GMT, xeno...@aol.com (Xenox Code) had the
> >> unmitigated audacity to write:
>
> --
>
> Ken (NY)
> Chairman,
> Department of Redundancy Department,

Mr Bubba

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"mb" <x...@x.com> wrote in message ...


> Hey Debbie, there must be a conspiracy against me. Think so? You 'n Bubba
> have me wondering. Hey .... shhhhh !!!

The only conspiracy is the one in your little mind, why do you reference
only Bubba & Debbie? Are you specifically targeting an individual, is it
Bubba, or Debbie?

I saw a cop on the way home from
> work yeaterday....shhh !

"yeaterday" (git that tooth fixed) Neat, I see Police officer's all day
long. They are customers in my store...the police academy is right next
door. I appreciate their business as well as their opinions.

I think he followed me all the way home. Shhhhh
> .... Maybe he was going to wait for me to get out of the car in the dark
and
> beat me up

Beat you up, are you still in school "mb", you sound like maybe your in
third grade. Maybe you should call a police officer and report this.

... Don't tell anyone. BOO !!!

Hey, I see your wearin your halloween mask already!!! How cute...this year
your a JackÂ$$. Bet your mommy is proud.

Debbie

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>Subject: Re: DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BOY'S DEATH (Letters section
>from
>From: "Mr Bubba" mrb...@bellsouth.net
>Date: 10/4/00 1:34 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <PLKC5.8011$bg6....@news3.atl>
The more "mb" writes the more I think Bubba is on to something.
l
Debbie

Debbie

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>Subject: Re: DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BOY'S DEATH (Letters section
>from
>From: richa...@aol.com (RichaHovis)
>Date: 10/4/00 11:38 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20001004123827...@ng-fc1.aol.com>
You're right R.H., I don't recall anyone losing any arguments with Ken. Now,
when Ken loses an argument he just uses the ole kill file.
Debbie

mb

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Haaaaa , u got me Bubba, funny but it was a typo . :-)

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mb

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Look out Debbie, one is behind you.

"Debbie" <msdi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BOY'S DEATH (Letters section
> >from
> >From: "Mr Bubba" mrb...@bellsouth.net
> >Date: 10/4/00 1:34 PM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <PLKC5.8011$bg6....@news3.atl>
> >
> >
> >

Pete nospam Zakel

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In article <stg3iak...@corp.supernews.com> Michael Zarlenga <zarl...@conan.ids.net> writes:
>In alt.law-enforcement Bob <coac...@cybersurfers.net> wrote:
>: I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are

>: anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has.

>Some have simply run into bad cops (brutal ones, perjurers,
>etc) and remember them.

And don't forget that it is almost impossible to find someone who has
both not committed a crime and has no relatives who have.

-Pete Zakel
(p...@seeheader.nospam)

"Before borrowing money from a friend, decide which you need more."

Debbie

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>Subject: Re: DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BOY'S DEATH (Letters section
>from
>From: "mb" x...@x.com
>Date: 10/4/00 3:27 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8rg3sr$n1n$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>

>
>Look out Debbie, one is behind you.

Well, you were close. I have 2 sitting next to me as we read this NG, but
there's no one behind me.

Debbie

Debbie

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>Subject: Re: DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BOY'S DEATH (Letters section
>from
>From: "mb" x...@x.com
>Date: 10/4/00 3:26 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8rg3q6$1h6$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>

>
>Haaaaa , u got me Bubba, funny but it was a typo . :-)
>
Watch out, Bubba...looks like "mb" kinda likes you. Maybe he will stick with
the :) and not start signing "love you" like Brandi did to Ken.
Debbie

Dan Clore

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Oct 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/5/00
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Mr Bubba wrote:
> James A. Donald wrote in message <39e16757...@nntp1.ba.best.com>...

> >But in the vast majority of cases, these acts are not immoral, merely
> >forbidden. In particular, there is nothing morally wrong with
> >possessing a blade two and five eights of an inch long on a university
> >campus, which is the felony offense that my son was charged with.
>
> Interesting, recently my son, 15, entered the federal courthouse with his
> mother. He didn't think about having his pocket knife with him, and he
> approached the metal detector. The officer took the knife, and said; "any
> good country boy always has his pocket knife with him, you can pick it up on
> the way out". The blade was probably 3-31/2 inch, and it was a lockblade.
> Obviously the officer being a professional knew that no intent, or motive
> existed for this boy to commit a crime. This is also known as common sense,
> some got it some don't.

How true. When I was a kid (from about 7 on up) *all* boys carried
pocket knives, *all* the time. I recall once a junior high teacher asked
if any of us could loan him one to cut his fingernails (during class, of
course). By high school a store called Big B Surplus had a bunch of
four-inch lockblades, and that became the favorite knife of most of us
(a lot of us got many pocket knives -- I still have about forty). At the
time no one ever thought *anything* of this. I was a little surprised
when I went to university and got some strong reactions when people saw
that knife.... Then again, if a student brought a shotgun to school we
would have just thought he was going to go shoot cans in the field after
class.

--
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Dan Clore

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and Ssa in Ngovonyidj; alone Tho-og Yinsin in
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&c., &c.,"
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G*rd*n

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ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net (Ken (NY)):

| I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are
| anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has. ...

I doubt if you can know this. Of course, "anti-cop" is a
vague term. It could mean an anarchist who didn't believe
there should be cops in the first place, or someone opposed
to the Drug War (or some other crime of the government) who
might believe that there might be some legitimate function
for the police, but that their present behavior is repugnant.
If you're talking about people who have some personal animus
against the police which leads to ill-tempered remarks, it's
irrelevant to this discussion, since most of the people arguing
on the anti-Drug War (anti-police?) side have been reasonably
polite, especially given the magnitude of the evil they're
arging against.


Steve Furbish

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"G*rd*n" <g...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> ken4...@NOSPAMTHANKYOUusa.net (Ken (NY)):
> | I've said this before: ALL of these newsgroupers who are
> | anti-cop have either committed a crime or have a relative who has. ...
>
> I doubt if you can know this. Of course, "anti-cop" is a
> vague term. It could mean an anarchist who didn't believe
> there should be cops in the first place, or someone opposed
> to the Drug War (or some other crime of the government) who
> might believe that there might be some legitimate function
> for the police, but that their present behavior is repugnant.

Few people become motivated to participate deeply in issues that don't
strike close to home in some manner. Empathy might be for a family member, a
friend, or simply brought on by envisioning one's own potential problems
with a given law?

> If you're talking about people who have some personal animus
> against the police which leads to ill-tempered remarks, it's
> irrelevant to this discussion, since most of the people arguing
> on the anti-Drug War (anti-police?) side have been reasonably
> polite, especially given the magnitude of the evil they're
> arging against.

Some of the most violent people (criminals) I've ever had the good fortune
to lock up were quite polite once they recognized that they didn't have the
upper hand. So your point is?

Steve

Peter H. Proctor

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In article <egHD5.118982$NH2.9...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> "Steve Furbish" <sfur...@mediaone.net> writes:
>From: "Steve Furbish" <sfur...@mediaone.net>

>Subject: Re: DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BOY'S DEATH (Letters section from
>Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:26:02 GMT

>Few people become motivated to participate deeply in issues that don't
>strike close to home in some manner. Empathy might be for a family member, a
>friend, or simply brought on by envisioning one's own potential problems
>with a given law?

This implies that such right-wing establishment figures as (e.g. )
Milton Freeman, Willian F. Buckley, as well as George Schultz and his gang
of suspects at the Hoover institute are either dopers or fellow travelors<G>.
Fact is, many on the political right view the War on Drugs as just one more
failed gummit program.

Dr P.

Steve Furbish

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"Peter H. Proctor" <ppro...@proctorgamble.com> wrote in message
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> In article <egHD5.118982$NH2.9...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> "Steve
Furbish" <sfur...@mediaone.net> writes:
> >From: "Steve Furbish" <sfur...@mediaone.net>
> >Subject: Re: DON'T BLAME LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR BOY'S DEATH (Letters section
from
> >Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:26:02 GMT
>
> >Few people become motivated to participate deeply in issues that don't
> >strike close to home in some manner. Empathy might be for a family
member, a
> >friend, or simply brought on by envisioning one's own potential problems
> >with a given law?
>
> This implies that such right-wing establishment figures as
(e.g. )
> Milton Freeman, Willian F. Buckley, as well as George Schultz and his
gang
> of suspects at the Hoover institute are either dopers or fellow
travelors<G>.
> Fact is, many on the political right view the War on Drugs as just one
more
> failed gummit program.

It implies no such thing, Doctor. Unless "few people" suddenly equals ALL
people.

Steve

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