"I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93." - Dan Sullivan
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G > That was YOU wasn't it, Dan?
DJS3 > You know it was, grag,
G > Yep.
DJS3 > and you know I said it about YOU
G > Yes. Quite ironic, really.
DJS3 > Not really.
G > A guy named Dan who had 25 investigations
G > for child abuse and 5 Foundeds, one founded
G > for child sexual abuse, yet he thinks it's smart
G > to say "Where there's smoke there's fire."
G > about a guy who was once founded for NEGLECT?
G > That seems a tad ironic!
DJS3 > All my foundeds were reversed to unfounded.
Got proof?
DJS3 > YOUR founded CPS report for maltreatment
DJS3 > still stands and so do your convictions for
DJS3 > abusing your mentally ill ex-wife, grag.
Got proof?
DJS3 > How long was your girlfriend's daughter in the custody of CPS?
DJS3 > More that seven years, grag?
Don't you have the records, Dan?
DJS3 > because of all the maltreatment
DJS3 > you admitted you inflicted
G > Mostly the CAUSALITY for you is that
G > somebody had the audacity to question
G > your cultic authority!
DJS3 > I recall a lawyer on asCPS telling
DJS3 > you what you did was maltreatment.
DJS3 >
DJS3 > I happen to agree with him.
G > I see you used the term maltreatment.
DJS3 > That is the correct term, grag.
Correct for the Child Protection INDUSTRY
or correct for parents fighting them?
Sorta like how caseworkers call themselves
""Social Workers"" in every legal document, you mean?
G > That term replaced CAN as in a big snowball
G > of NEGLECT with a BB of ABUSE and
G > they then pretend that it's ALL ABUSE.
G >
G > NEGLECT is so overbroad that damn near
G > anybody could be ""FOUNDED"" for it.
G >
G > You once pretended to be a Family Rights
G > advocate, but you use the anti-parent rhetoric.
G >
G > You lump the slippery slope of NEGLECT
G > in with actual CHILD ABUSE.
G >
G > Is that something that a Family Rights
G > advocate would really do, Dan?
G >
G > How many Family Rights advocates would
G > lie or exaggerate about how good the
G > agency's case is against somebody?
DJS3 > No exaggeration necessary, grag.
DJS3 > Conclusion are all based on your own disturbing admissions.
G > Wait! You tried playing this in front of
G > Family Rights people in an attempt to
G > ridicule me and even though I was not
G > there to refute or rebut, NONE of them
G > fell for your puke and it actually BACKFIRED
G > on you MONTHS before I had any idea
G > it took place. Family Rights people asked
G > what is wrong with you!
G > You claimed yours is the ONLY way to win against CPS.
DJS3 > Disproving the allegation is the way to
DJS3 > prove the children weren't maltreated.
G > Is that really how the burden of proof works, Dan?
G > Guilty until proven innocent, Dan?
DJS3 > What is your experience with CPS, grag?
G > Is THAT why you argued so much against
G > the CONSTITUTIONAL DEFENSE, Dan?
DJS3 > No.
G > How do you prove a negative?
G > When the gyno finds nothing, the kid never
G > claims any sex or fondling, yet the caseworkers
G > (serrupticiously) mutter that the child still
G > could have been fondled, you don't see any
G > reason to invoke the US Constitution, right Dan?
DJS3 > Did you "invoke" the US Constitution in your case, grag?
The Judge said "That's for another court."
G > You also claimed that Kane is not Donald Lewis Fisher
G > a retired Oregon CPS caseworker living in Carson, WA.
DJS3 > Kane wasn't a CPS case worker.
G > He posted to usenet back in 1998 from
G > HIS state agency internet account!
G >
G > And ran the identical SHILL scam
G > to try to sell himself as an adoption
G > consultant, at least twice, a YEAR apart!
DJS3 > An adoption consultant who wasn't a CPS case worker.
When have caseworkers ever called themselves that?
He called himself other euphamisms for caseworker.
G > Commonplace on usenet NOW, but this
G > little con game was not as easily
G > recognized back in 1998.
DJS3 > Which "con game?"
He had a sock or shill account post a request for
help and then TA DA, our hero came ot the rescue!
The sock shill posts a message posing
as a bi-racial couple seeking to adopt a
multi-racial baby. Then TADA! Our hero
the ""Adoption Consultant"" advertises
his services.
It only stood out as a scam when it
repeated more than a year later using
the identical story, identical sock and
the identical answering account from
Donald.
DJS3 > on your girlfriend's
G > fiance'
DJS3 > Lisa Watkins only became your fiance'
DJS3 > AFTER her daughter was removed by
DJS3 > the authorities in Iowa.
G > On what are you basing this statement?
DJS3 > Information you posted, grag.
Got a LINK then?
G > And are you talking about the physical
G > removal for THREE WEEKS with no
G > court authority?
G >
G > Or the official legal ""removal"" three
G > weeks later?
DJS3 > The initial removal, which was done
DJS3 > with Lisa Watkins permission.
That would be quite a trick since she wasn't home!
As I thought, you just make stuff up!
DJS3 > seven year old daughter.
G > You had 20+ investigations and 5 of them were founded.
G > According to YOU, one of the Founded's was for CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE.
DJS3 > And every founded was reversed to unfounded because
DJS3 > there was never any maltreatment of any kind.
G > Tacit admission with "spin".
G > You DID say this, RIGHT?
Feb 2002
"I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93." - Dan Sullivan
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea&usg=AFQjCNECy0XezJzAEcvXC-FrFUm2wklcyw
G > You said you "have" no founded reports.
G > You physically threw the reports away, right Dan?
G > Just so you could say you don't "have" them?
DJS3 > I have all my records, grag.
G > I LOVE your ""strategic"" word games.
G >
G > I remember how you LIED when you said you
G > weren't kicked out of FightCPS or notified
G > that you were. When the owner and a
G > moderator showed up to say that you WERE,
G > you started to argue about the meaning of an
G > e-mail you were sent NOTIFYING you that
G > you were expelled for abuses. Suddenly you
G > had an e-mail that you had previously
G > denied even receiving, and you were
G > arguing the MEANING or validity of it!
DJS3 > You've got the information all wrong, as usual, grag.
G > Should I LINK and repost the old messages, Dan?
G > But your very acknowledgement of it
G > proved that you LIED.
G >
G > I believe you were FOUNDED 5 times
G > and worse, but I do not believe that you
G > got 5 FOUNDEDS reversed.
DJS3 > You can believe anything you want, grag.
G > You are both selective in your revelations and dishonest.
DJS3 > You haven't the brains of cow flop, grag.
G > You made several babies with a
G > freakin' mental case over YEARS.
G >
G > You KNEW she was a freakin' mental
G > case before you made babies with her.
G >
G > How did you meet your psycho ex-wife, Dan?
G >
G > Were you both in the same locked psycho ward?
G >
G > Is your current wife a mental case also?
G > How many babies did you make with the
G > freakin' mental case and how many with Susan?
G > I only ask because YOU claimed that the little
G > girl in your Puppet Bear Child Sexual Abuse
G > FINDING was 3 in 1993 by your statements
G > yet she does not show up on public records
G > and KLS shows up as 26 years old in 2009.
DJS3 > What does that tell you, grag?
G > That you were FOUNDED in 1993 for CSA of a 10 year old..
DJS3 > You are WRONG, as usual, grag.
Not until you explain why your 26 year old daughter
KLS shows up on public records while your 19 year
old daughter doesn't.
G > Was your sexual abuse victim actually 10 year old, Dan?
G > Why is there no 19 year old showing up on public records, Dan?
DJS3 > I'm sure there are millions of 19 year olds on public records,
grag.
But not your daughter who you said was 3 in 1993 and said:
Feb 2002 "My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
April 2004 "My daddy touched me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/d15f8e338226b780
July 2007 "My daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.foster-parents/msg/2d04c26b08f9f2b9
You said she was 3 when this investigation FOUNDED
you for Child Sexual Abuse in 1993!
Feb 2002
"I was founded for SA of my daughter back in '93." - Dan Sullivan
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea
Feb 2002
'The "credible evidence" was my (3 yo) daughter's statement that "My
daddy touches me with the puppet bear in the toilet." '
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.child-protective-services/msg/52b49e5611d619ea