You guys are too damn slow~
time to get a life
and even the background color is the same (it should have been changed
months ago). Still, no gallery, no META tags, no nofin'.
Question:
Why is this taking so long?
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> I see minor *text* updates on the site, yet all the graphics are the same,
> and even the background color is the same (it should have been changed
> months ago). Still, no gallery, no META tags, no nofin'.
Gallery was Russ' area, although I don't see him doing anything anytime
soon.
Majin is recoding the entire site *by hand*. This is not a quick process.
He had to learn nested tables to do it. They are not just text changes. He
is not using a packaged web design software that does all the coding for
him.
What color should the background be?
--Joey
stupid ass
Copy all the <head> <meta> <body color> tags.
Upload the graphics, update your code with the names.
Now, is that too hard? :O)
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"Joey Gambino" <should_be_MAC_beca...@alt-teens.org> wrote
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Nick Coons
> Majin is recoding the entire site *by hand*. This is not a quick
> process. He had to learn nested tables to do it. They are not just
> text changes. He is not using a packaged web design software that
> does all the coding for him.
This is how I always design sites, it makes the most efficient .html
files. If you need help with any of these, as always, let me know :-).
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Nick Coons
> > This is how I always design sites, it makes the most efficient .html
> > files. If you need help with any of these, as always, let me know > > :-).
> I wouldn't be bragging about your site, buddy. :^)
That's because you weren't the fortunate soul that was graced with the
ability to create it.
Besides, I never mentioned anything about *my* site, which I also did
not create.
Re:
Anywho, it looks really unprofessional. :*)
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Nick Coons
> You were talking about sites, therefore I assumed that you made your
> own. Anywho, it looks really unprofessional. :*)
Nope.. I haven't done sites in quite awhile. What looks unprofessional
about it?
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Nick Coons
> > Nope.. I haven't done sites in quite awhile. What looks
> > unprofessional about it?
> Mostly the graphics, bad optimization and design. :^)
Can you be more specific yet again?
Re:
1st.
It takes way too fucking long to load, and the load screen is shit! Add a
skip button.
2nd.
The Flash *lol* is ugly, the logo is ugly and the graphics are ugly.
3rd.
Your menu's suck ass, I doubt that anyone with less then 800x600 would even
see it.
Now, take what little ego you have left and hire someone better. :^)
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Garp
Re: <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
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>
> Now, take what little ego you have left and hire someone better. :^)
Now you take what little manners you had in the first place, and LEARN TO
USE THEM. Your insulting comment was completely uncalled for.
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- Charlie McCarthy (Edgar Bergen, 1903 - 1978)
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Re:
goat, bitch. :^)
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Garp
> Your assumptions about my posts are irrelevant to the subject, now go fuck
a
> goat, bitch. :^)
You're insults to Nick were completely irrelevant to the post, and were
uncalled for. Your post showed some appaling manners. Nick asked for
constructive advice about his companies website, not insults. Go fuck your
own goat. With manners like yours its probably the only thing in rl that
still acknowledges your presence.
Re:
You're the one that got the problems with his manners!
What you assume are bad manners are really every-day-words, this is how
people talk in rl, sorry to disappoint you, bitch.
Now go fuck my goat! *He's getting jealous of you always fuckin' the
chickens*
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Joey Gambino
you're gonna keep changing them, then build a new page for each one so they
can be properly compared by everyone in the group. We can't just change it
everytime you make something new. Every banner/background you've built, put
it on a seperate site and post it here so we can all look at each link and
decide which is the better.
Thank You!
"stupid ass" <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
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> http://home.att.net/~vtlt/alt-teens.html
>
> Copy all the <head> <meta> <body color> tags.
>
> Upload the graphics, update your code with the names.
>
> Now, is that too hard? :O)
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>
> "Joey Gambino" <should_be_MAC_beca...@alt-teens.org> wrote
> in message news:mPL85.204$sR1....@news-west.usenetserver.com...
> > "time to get a life" <easter...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:i1785.4747$cR2.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > I see minor *text* updates on the site, yet all the graphics are the
> same,
> > > and even the background color is the same (it should have been changed
> > > months ago). Still, no gallery, no META tags, no nofin'.
> >
> > Gallery was Russ' area, although I don't see him doing anything anytime
> > soon.
> >
> > Majin is recoding the entire site *by hand*. This is not a quick
process.
> > He had to learn nested tables to do it. They are not just text changes.
> He
> > is not using a packaged web design software that does all the coding for
> > him.
> >
Re:
:^)
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"Joey Gambino" <should_be_MAC_beca...@alt-teens.org> wrote
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Garp
Re: <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
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> Just give me access to the server and I'll update it my own fucking self.
It's the group's site. It should be up to the group to decide which banner
to use. Why don't you just follow Joey's suggestion instead?
Joey Gambino
just because *you* like it. Everybody has to have a say in it, bonehead.
"Re:" <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
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> Just give me access to the server and I'll update it my own fucking self.
Nick Coons
> 1st.
> It takes way too fucking long to load, and the load screen is shit!
> Add a skip button.
> 2nd.
> The Flash *lol* is ugly, the logo is ugly and the graphics are ugly.
> 3rd.
> Your menu's suck ass, I doubt that anyone with less then 800x600 would > even see it.
> Now, take what little ego you have left and hire someone better. :^)
Now I'm amused at how *you* call *me* unprofessional. The only decent
suggestion you made is to have a "skip" option at the beginning.
Nick Coons
> Excuse me?
> You're the one that got the problems with his manners!
> What you assume are bad manners are really every-day-words, this is
> how people talk in rl, sorry to disappoint you, bitch.
> Now go fuck my goat! *He's getting jealous of you always fuckin' the
> chickens*
You have lost what credibility you may have had.
Garp
> Hello...
>
> > 1st.
>
> > It takes way too fucking long to load, and the load screen is shit!
> > Add a skip button.
>
> > 2nd.
>
> > The Flash *lol* is ugly, the logo is ugly and the graphics are ugly.
>
> > 3rd.
>
> > Your menu's suck ass, I doubt that anyone with less then 800x600 would >
even see it.
>
> > Now, take what little ego you have left and hire someone better. :^)
>
> Now I'm amused at how *you* call *me* unprofessional. The only decent
> suggestion you made is to have a "skip" option at the beginning.
>
As a constructive point, the site does seem to be a bit slow...... Is that
flash animation really all that necessary?
Re:
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Re:
Anywho, everyone seems to like *all* my banners so you don't have anything
to worry about.
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"Garp" <garp_gray...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Re: <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
> news:OPl95.10090$cR2.7...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Just give me access to the server and I'll update it my own fucking
self.
>
> It's the group's site. It should be up to the group to decide which
banner
> to use. Why don't you just follow Joey's suggestion instead?
Re:
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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Re:
I do know what I'm talking about.
Just because I like to use the F word doesn't mean my arguments aren't
credible.!
HO!
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"Garp" <garp_gray...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Nick Coons <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
> news:3965FCC9...@dcs-home.com...
> > Hello...
> >
> > > 1st.
> >
> > > It takes way too fucking long to load, and the load screen is shit!
> > > Add a skip button.
> >
> > > 2nd.
> >
> > > The Flash *lol* is ugly, the logo is ugly and the graphics are ugly.
> >
> > > 3rd.
> >
> > > Your menu's suck ass, I doubt that anyone with less then 800x600 would
>
> even see it.
> >
> > > Now, take what little ego you have left and hire someone better. :^)
> >
> > Now I'm amused at how *you* call *me* unprofessional. The only decent
> > suggestion you made is to have a "skip" option at the beginning.
> >
>
> As a constructive point, the site does seem to be a bit slow...... Is
that
> flash animation really all that necessary?
Nick Coons
> As a constructive point, the site does seem to be a bit slow...... Is > that flash animation really all that necessary?
It's certainly not necessary, and it's probably not permanent. My
web-design guy is learning flash and experimenting with our site. I can
tell him he has to remove it and he will, that's my decision (or I can
remove it). But if he decides he wants to keep it, I'll have him add an
option. For instance, you can enter the "Flashed Site" or the
"non-Flashed Site", your choice.
Re:
public-high-school. :^)
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Re:
*Gives Terry a kiss on the forehead*
*chuckles at the mental image of Terry writing a perverted reply*
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> In article <962963282.28800.0...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Garp" <garp_gray...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Re: <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
> >news:%Eh95.9295$oh5.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>
> >> Now, take what little ego you have left and hire someone better. :^)
> >
> >Now you take what little manners you had in the first place, and LEARN TO
> >USE THEM. Your insulting comment was completely uncalled for.
> >--
>
>
> Looks like Guppy did NOT actually SEE that site.
> derF is a WiZard compared to THAT CRAP!!!!
> TeRRy
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that a bitch!
:^)
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"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <39664C9F...@dcs-home.com>, Nick Coons
> <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Garp!
> >
> >> As a constructive point, the site does seem to be a bit slow...... Is
>
> >> that flash animation really all that necessary?
> >
> > It's certainly not necessary, and it's probably not permanent. My
> >web-design guy is learning flash and experimenting with our site. I can
> >tell him he has to remove it and he will, that's my decision (or I can
> >remove it). But if he decides he wants to keep it, I'll have him add an
> >option. For instance, you can enter the "Flashed Site" or the
> >"non-Flashed Site", your choice.
>
>
>
> Oh Nick......!!!!!!!
> I am shocked that you would even admit to NOT doing your own site.
> At least derF does his own stuff....and ALL he has done is BeTTer than
> what I saw on your EXTREMELY FUCKING LONG LOADING site.
>
> MOST people do NOT want to hear some fucking MP3 that they are NOT
> interested in. If you ask derFie real nice, mayB he will give you a few
> pointers, and you can appear to be knowledgeable in your future posings.
> BUT....now that we ALL know that you do NOT do your own site, I would
> NOT talk SO MUCH SHIT!!!!
>
> Get a MAC.....even you might be able to understand it.
>
> TeRRy
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> In article <mvy95.520$bR6....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Re:" <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote:
>
> >Sorry Terry, no machine, even a Mac, can give people artistic skills,
aint
> >that a bitch!
> >:^)
> >--
>
> NOTE that I said łto UNDERSTAND IT˛ NOT to be able to USE it well.
> TeRRy
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Nick Coons
> > You have lost what credibility you may have had.
> I know, aint it great? :^)
Not for you. I am fairly indifferent about it, though.
Nick Coons
> See!
> I do know what I'm talking about.
> Just because I like to use the F word doesn't mean my arguments aren't
> credible.!
You made six claims and one of them was somewhat decent. Not a great
average.
Nick Coons
> You should fire your web-design guy, he obviously learned the skill in > a public-high-school. :^)
Not true.. he actually began learning it on his own only recently.
Most of the sites we create are business sites and/or ecommerce and have
little use for Flash. Learning Flash is more of a hobby for him.
Nick Coons
> Oh Nick......!!!!!!!
> I am shocked that you would even admit to NOT doing your own site.
> At least derF does his own stuff....and ALL he has done is BeTTer than
> what I saw on your EXTREMELY FUCKING LONG LOADING site.
> MOST people do NOT want to hear some fucking MP3 that they are NOT
> interested in. If you ask derFie real nice, mayB he will give you a
> few pointers, and you can appear to be knowledgeable in your future > posings.
> BUT....now that we ALL know that you do NOT do your own site, I would
> NOT talk SO MUCH SHIT!!!!
You seem to be under the impression that I don't create the site
because I am incapable. This would be like condemning Steve Jobs
because he didn't personally write the code for the MacOS.
I do not own the site.. it is not *mine*, per se. I am the President
of the corporation that does own the site. As the person in charge of
organizing and maintaining a corporation, it is not my job to design
websites, and it has no reflection on my capabilities. This is what
employees are for.
As far as my abilities, I'd be so confident as to claim that I am more
proficient with HTML, CGI (both Perl and VB), and JavsScript than anyone
else in this group.
Nick Coons
> Sorry Terry, no machine, even a Mac, can give people artistic skills, > aint that a bitch! :^)
Depending on the type of site being designed, artistic abilities may be
a moot point. I will be the first to claim that I am not an artist. I
am familiar with the software, but I can't draw worth crap.
Garp
> You should fire your web-design guy, he obviously learned the skill in a
> public-high-school. :^)
And you obviously learned your manners in a pig-sty.
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Garp
> In article <962963282.28800.0...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "Garp" <garp_gray...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Now, take what little ego you have left and hire someone better. :^)
> >
> >Now you take what little manners you had in the first place, and LEARN TO
> >USE THEM. Your insulting comment was completely uncalled for.
> >--
>
>
> Looks like Guppy did NOT actually SEE that site.
> derF is a WiZard compared to THAT CRAP!!!!
I have looked at the site, and I have suggested elsewhere what nick could
do, it does not mean that Derf should insult nick. There was no call for
it.
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> Re: <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
Re:
you would have learned that by now, goofball.®
BTW, he's Flash still sucks arse. :^)
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hello...
>
> > You should fire your web-design guy, he obviously learned the skill in >
a public-high-school. :^)
>
> Not true.. he actually began learning it on his own only recently.
> Most of the sites we create are business sites and/or ecommerce and have
> little use for Flash. Learning Flash is more of a hobby for him.
>
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designer is one of them, please take him out back and shoot him. :^)
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hello...
>
> > Sorry Terry, no machine, even a Mac, can give people artistic skills, >
aint that a bitch! :^)
>
> Depending on the type of site being designed, artistic abilities may be
> a moot point. I will be the first to claim that I am not an artist. I
> am familiar with the software, but I can't draw worth crap.
>
Re:
your company, therefore you should make some effort to hire someone with
*talent*.
BTW, just because you know how to code websites doesn't prove that you can
make one. It just proves that you've memorized some geek code.
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Terry!
>
> > Oh Nick......!!!!!!!
> > I am shocked that you would even admit to NOT doing your own site.
> > At least derF does his own stuff....and ALL he has done is BeTTer than
> > what I saw on your EXTREMELY FUCKING LONG LOADING site.
>
> > MOST people do NOT want to hear some fucking MP3 that they are NOT
> > interested in. If you ask derFie real nice, mayB he will give you a
> > few pointers, and you can appear to be knowledgeable in your future >
posings.
> > BUT....now that we ALL know that you do NOT do your own site, I would
> > NOT talk SO MUCH SHIT!!!!
>
> You seem to be under the impression that I don't create the site
> because I am incapable. This would be like condemning Steve Jobs
> because he didn't personally write the code for the MacOS.
>
> I do not own the site.. it is not *mine*, per se. I am the President
> of the corporation that does own the site. As the person in charge of
> organizing and maintaining a corporation, it is not my job to design
> websites, and it has no reflection on my capabilities. This is what
> employees are for.
>
> As far as my abilities, I'd be so confident as to claim that I am more
> proficient with HTML, CGI (both Perl and VB), and JavsScript than anyone
> else in this group.
>
Nick Coons
> Never hire someone that's doing something as a *hobby*. It would seem > that you would have learned that by now, goofball.®
I didn't hire him to do Flash.
> BTW, he's Flash still sucks arse. :^)
I disagree. The opening isn't perfect, but I like his small Flash
animation(s) within the site. And obviously he's getting better. You
should have seen what was there two weeks ago.
Nick Coons
> It's easy to spot web-designers that have no artistic skills, and your
> designer is one of them, please take him out back and shoot him. :^)
What have you based that on? Simply the opening screen?
Nick Coons
> Don't hide behind your position in the company, the website represents > you & your company,
I am not hiding, I am simply stating why I didn't personally design the
site.
> therefore you should make some effort to hire someone with *talent*.
You have very little information with which to base your judgement. He
designed my desktop (see on the website I've designated for desktops)
which is what we install standard on to new systems. I think it's
excellent.
> BTW, just because you know how to code websites doesn't prove that you > can make one. It just proves that you've memorized some geek code.
Memorizing code and being proficient in its use are two totally
seperate things.
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> Hello...
>
> > Never hire someone that's doing something as a *hobby*. It would seem >
that you would have learned that by now, goofball.®
>
> I didn't hire him to do Flash.
>
> > BTW, he's Flash still sucks arse. :^)
>
> I disagree. The opening isn't perfect, but I like his small Flash
> animation(s) within the site. And obviously he's getting better. You
> should have seen what was there two weeks ago.
>
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hello...
>
> > It's easy to spot web-designers that have no artistic skills, and your
> > designer is one of them, please take him out back and shoot him. :^)
>
> What have you based that on? Simply the opening screen?
>
Re:
See, you're missing the point, if I judge him on the site, so will everyone
else, but when they judge it - you will be judged with him. = Not good for
your company.
> Memorizing code and being proficient in its use are two totally
> seperate things.
Missing the point again, ey? Coding skills have nothing to do with *art*
skills, do you understand now?
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Nick Coons
> Let him get better on his own, that's what they have schools and
> internships for.
That's a contradictory statement. If he were attending schools and
internships to learn Flash, he wouldn't be getting better on his own.
I enjoy letting him use the site for practicing, because that means he
practices creating content that may be used for the site. It's
generally not a big deal, since the site itself generates little
revenue. Most of our sales and consultations come through word-of-mouth
and referrals, and our reputation is known. At this point in time, the
site has little impact on the business overall.
Nick Coons
> The site in whole, not just the Flash.
I happen to enjoy the layout and design of the site. And considering
that it is my decision (as you've pointed out), that seems to be what
matters.
Nick Coons
> > You have very little information with which to base your judgement.
> See, you're missing the point, if I judge him on the site, so will
> everyone else, but when they judge it - you will be judged with him. = > Not good for your company.
I agree.. and most others who have seen the site agree with my opinion
of it. Very few people visit the site, as it is not a concern at this
time.
If there comes a time when the site is used more heavily for our
business, we will begin relying on people's opinions such as yours.
> > Memorizing code and being proficient in its use are two totally
> > seperate things.
> Missing the point again, ey? Coding skills have nothing to do with
> *art* skills, do you understand now?
And artistic skills have little to do with creating a site, at least,
the sites we generally create.
You may be used to creating sites with simply HTML and graphical
content. That's great for a static site that's used simply for
referrence. When you get into sites that involve eCommerce, coding
becomes *essential*. We also create sites for our customers to update
themselves, customers that have never heard of FTP. We build web-based
editors for them so they can add press-release articles or change other
content without having to consult us.
With higher-end, larger, professional sites, the coding is much more
important than the artistic aspect.
Re:
> important than the artistic aspect.
See, anyone can code (see alt-teens.org - it shows that the designer only
has coding skills). On the other hand, view something like this
(halflife.net) were the designer has more art skills. / Most of the time you
will need 2 designers/ one coder and one art guy. Perhaps you should hire
another person?~
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> In article <jbM95.1335$%P.11...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Re:" <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote:
>
> >Let him get better on his own, that's what they have schools and
> >internships
> >for.
>
>
>
> The problem with this, is that the schools, do NOT pay him for doing a
> SHIT job.
> People that know NO BeTTer DO!!!!
> Hi Nick!!!!
>
> TeRRy
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Right now I'm working on finishing all my shit from the 99' LA AutoShow.
I've got about 200 *good* pictures from that alone.
So.
Just think what I could do if I left the house more then 2 times a year~:^)
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> In article <psz95.557$bR6....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Re:" <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote:
>
> >Well then. :^)
> >
> >--
>
> You know that I give you credit where you DESERVE IT!!!!
> And although you are NOT the BEST I have seen, you are BeTTer
> than....nickąs punk.
> TeRRy
> PS-A LOT BeTTer!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.shinygraphics.com
> >
> >"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:macviper-74909D...@news.earthlink.net...
> >> In article <mvy95.520$bR6....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> >> "Re:" <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Sorry Terry, no machine, even a Mac, can give people artistic skills,
> >aint
> >> >that a bitch!
> >> >:^)
> >> >--
>
>
> >>
> >> NOTE that I said łto UNDERSTAND IT˛ NOT to be able to USE it well.
> >> TeRRy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >http://www.shinygraphics.com
> >> >
> >> >"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:macviper-1886BB...@news.earthlink.net...
> >> >> In article <39664C9F...@dcs-home.com>, Nick Coons
> >> >> <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi Garp!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> As a constructive point, the site does seem to be a bit
slow......
> >Is
> >> >>
> >> >> >> that flash animation really all that necessary?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's certainly not necessary, and it's probably not permanent. My
> >> >> >web-design guy is learning flash and experimenting with our site.
I
> >can
> >> >> >tell him he has to remove it and he will, that's my decision (or I
> >> >> >can
> >> >> >remove it). But if he decides he wants to keep it, I'll have him
> >> >> >add
> >an
> >> >> >option. For instance, you can enter the "Flashed Site" or the
> >> >> >"non-Flashed Site", your choice.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh Nick......!!!!!!!
> >> >> I am shocked that you would even admit to NOT doing your own site.
> >> >> At least derF does his own stuff....and ALL he has done is BeTTer
> >> >> than
> >> >> what I saw on your EXTREMELY FUCKING LONG LOADING site.
> >> >>
> >> >> MOST people do NOT want to hear some fucking MP3 that they are NOT
> >> >> interested in. If you ask derFie real nice, mayB he will give you a
> >> >> few
> >> >> pointers, and you can appear to be knowledgeable in your future
> >posings.
> >> >> BUT....now that we ALL know that you do NOT do your own site, I
would
> >> >> NOT talk SO MUCH SHIT!!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Get a MAC.....even you might be able to understand it.
> >> >>
> >> >> TeRRy
> >> >> --
> >> >> ---
> >> >
> >> >
> >> --
> >> ---
> >
> >
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"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3966FAAE...@dcs-home.com>, Nick Coons
> <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote:
>
> >> Sorry Terry, no machine, even a Mac, can give people artistic skills, >
> >> aint that a bitch! :^)
> >
> > Depending on the type of site being designed, artistic abilities may be
> >a moot point. I will be the first to claim that I am not an artist. I
> >am familiar with the software, but I can't draw worth crap.
>
>
>
> Seems like your PAID designer can NOT either.
> TeRRy
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able to open any program on my computer without having to open files n'
shit.
BTW, like I said before/ I have a new HP keyboard (it's almost like the new
MS board) it has allot of customizable buttons that I use to open software.~
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"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <39678124...@dcs-home.com>, Nick Coons
> <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote:
>
> > You have very little information with which to base your judgement. He
> >designed my desktop
>
>
> ALL IT TAKES is to look at your desktop and we can see that he has NO
> FUCKING CLUE!!!!
> With all the claims you had of being able to do what I do on my MAC, as
> easily as I do, I have to wonder why you lay EVERYTHING out on that
> damned desktop???
> Is this just a thing you have (like my BITCH derF) so that you can show
> off all your software?
>
> A person who actually KNOWs HOW to D-FUCKIN-sign a site would KNOW
> BeTTer!!!!!
> Let me remind you to look at MINE once more!!!!
> And I was The ONE who Designed my OWN desktop.
> SHIT!!!! Like how HARD is IT?????
>
> As an added thought.....
>
> Let's have all the people who did NOT post a picture, go and VOTE for
> WHATEVER DeskTop that they feel looks The BEST!!!!
>
> If I was to lay out all the shit that I have in over 120 GIGs on 7 hard
> drives....right on my DESKTOP, it would look a whole LOT better than
> what ANY of you have, but since I can press a single key and call up
> ANYTHING that I want, I have to feel that I really like what I see when
> I look at My MAC!!!
> MAYBE once you learn how to store and file your programs, and other
> shit, you will be able to come up with a design that does NOT interfere
> with any & ALL items that you might deal with and want to have open on
> the desktop.
>
> OR.....you can get a MAC and enjoy the EASE of COMPUTING, and still be
> able to do ANYTHING that The LOWLY pc attempts.....
>
> TeRRy
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even mean?
Ugh
Oh and why would you save something to your desktop? That's just retarded, I
have *organized* folders for that shit.
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"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <xhT95.1996$%P.16...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Re:" <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote:
>
> >Terry, the reason I have everything on my desktop is because I like to be
> >able to open any program on my computer without having to open files n'
> >shit.
> >
> >BTW, like I said before/ I have a new HP keyboard (it's almost like the
> >new
> >MS board) it has allot of customizable buttons that I use to open
> >software.~
>
>
>
> I figured that YOU did that for this reason.
> It does seem to be a bit easier to see it ALL at ALL times.
> But personally, I hate to have to deal with a huge mess of icons that
> are laying out on the desktop.
> If I want to have something similar, I can open a folder and have it
> look the same.
> Then I can just click from THERE.
> But since I know of ALL the stuff I have on my drives, it takes little
> memorization to create a single shortcut to open whatever I want with a
> single keystroke.
> The thing I hate the most about desktop icons, is that they get
> completely in the way, when I am trying to save a file to that desktop.
> Or to do work on it....they all just simply become too overwhelming, and
> create confusion.
> If I did that with all the stuff I have, I would be completely LOST!!!!
> TeRRy
> --
> ---
Nick Coons
> See, anyone can code (see alt-teens.org - it shows that the designer
> only has coding skills). On the other hand, view something like this
> (halflife.net) were the designer has more art skills. / Most of the
> time you will need 2 designers/ one coder and one art guy. Perhaps you > should hire another person?~
HTML is not coding (that's what alt-teens.org is, right?), so it
doesn't reveal any of the designer's coding skills.
If anyone can code, why don't you code something and post it so I can
see? How about a JavaScipt Chat? You have to create the client, and
have it establish a TCP or UDP connection (your choice) to a server app
that you also have to write, making sure to monitor for new messages all
the time.
Or how about an eCommerce Site? You have to keep a user database so
that return customers don't have to re-enter their information, they can
login with a name and password. Create a database of items available
for purchase, and a search engine that will allow the user to find the
item they want; searchable by category, product name, or keywords. They
also be able to view their "shopping cart" at any point in time, and/or
proceed to the purchase. Then you have to accept a payment method
(check, credit card, etc), and have the site automatically email them a
confirmation notice with a link that they can click on that will bring
them back to the site so they can check the real-time status of their
order.
Can you do that? Somehow I don't think so.
Nick Coons
> > Let him get better on his own, that's what they have schools and
> > internships
> > for.
> The problem with this, is that the schools, do NOT pay him for doing a
> SHIT job.
> People that know NO BeTTer DO!!!!
> Hi Nick!!!!
I don't pay him to learn.. he does that on his own time. I simply give
him a place to post his "studies."
Nick Coons
> You know that I give you credit where you DESERVE IT!!!!
> And although you are NOT the BEST I have seen, you are BeTTer
> than....nickąs punk.
> TeRRy
> PS-A LOT BeTTer!!!!!
You do it, then. I want to see you create something in Flash. No?
You can't?
Nick Coons
> > You have very little information with which to base your judgement. > > He designed my desktop
> ALL IT TAKES is to look at your desktop and we can see that he has NO
> FUCKING CLUE!!!!
The desktop is very nice.. it's a matter of opinion, subjective. What
you think is nice, I think is crap. So what's the difference? The
difference is that *I* choose based on what I like, not what you like..
and that works out very well for me.
> With all the claims you had of being able to do what I do on my MAC,
> as easily as I do, I have to wonder why you lay EVERYTHING out on that
> damned desktop???
Everything? I have only a few icons on the far left-hand side of the
desktop. "Everything" that I use all the time opens up when my computer
starts up; that's how I set it up because that's how I like it.
> Is this just a thing you have (like my BITCH derF) so that you can
> show off all your software?
You may want to look again. I have only a few icons on my desktop.
That is hardly all of my software.
> A person who actually KNOWs HOW to D-FUCKIN-sign a site would KNOW
> BeTTer!!!!!
> Let me remind you to look at MINE once more!!!!
I have.. I only have one more icon than you do.
> And I was The ONE who Designed my OWN desktop.
It looks like you took it from a game.
> SHIT!!!! Like how HARD is IT?????
For someone who can't draw, it can be very difficult.
> As an added thought.....
> Let's have all the people who did NOT post a picture, go and VOTE for
> WHATEVER DeskTop that they feel looks The BEST!!!!
I'm not claiming that I would win that one. My priority is not to have
the best-looking desktop.. maybe when I was 12 it may have been.
> If I was to lay out all the shit that I have in over 120 GIGs on 7
> hard drives....right on my DESKTOP, it would look a whole LOT better
> than what ANY of you have, but since I can press a single key and call > up ANYTHING that I want, I have to feel that I really like what I see > when I look at My MAC!!!
It's all personal preference. For you, hotkeys may be easier; for
someone else, double-clicking an icon.
> MAYBE once you learn how to store and file your programs,
I've been doing that properly since I was 4.
> you will be able to come up with a design that does NOT interfere
> with any & ALL items that you might deal with and want to have open on
> the desktop.
The design I have does not conflict with any of that.
Nick Coons
> As a thought, you might want to hire people who are WAY slightly more
> capable.
His abilities are beyond your grasp of perception.
> And DUH....ole Stevie Jobs DID write THAT Code!!!!!
He did originally.. he does not currently.
> As for your <snicker> "claim".....I have yet to see the SLIGHTEST
> PROOF.
I will be glad to show you samples of my code.. do you have any
requests?
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Terry!
>
> > You know that I give you credit where you DESERVE IT!!!!
> > And although you are NOT the BEST I have seen, you are BeTTer
> > than....nickąs punk.
> > TeRRy
> > PS-A LOT BeTTer!!!!!
>
> You do it, then. I want to see you create something in Flash. No?
> You can't?
>
Re:
sites are designed.
BTW, I don't know shit about coding, yet I've designed plenty of websites
that are allot better then yours. :(
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> requests?
Give me to *code* to get in your pants. *wink* :^)
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Nick Coons
> I can do Flash,
Can you show me? I don't want a link, (you can link me to anyone's
site). I want you to create something in Flash and send it to me.
> see, there's just not point in using it they way your guy does.
There is, obviously he wouldn't've. How would you use Flash?
Nick Coons
> See, you're a very confused individual that doesn't understand how
> *real* sites are designed.
I'm not confused.. I'm very clear. A "real" website is a website that
exists in reality, as opposed to a fictional website portrayed on
television, for instance. And since I understand exactly how they are
designed, your statement is false.
> BTW, I don't know shit about coding,
In a previous message, you stated that anyone can code. What happened
to that claim?
> yet I've designed plenty of websites that are allot better then yours. > :(
Better for what? Your site serves a purpose. Our site serves an
entirely different purpose, and it serves that purpose well. If we
wanted our site to be "pretty", or we were interested in designing such
sites, I would have hired someone that knows how to make pretty sites.
We don't care about pretty sites.. pretty-site designing doesn't make
money. Most people that design such sites do it for themselves; they
don't hire someone else to do it.
Nick Coons
> > I will be glad to show you samples of my code.. do you have any
> > requests?
> Give me to *code* to get in your pants. *wink* :^)
Crys has that code; but I think she's reluctant share it :-).
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right? :^)
You goofball, you.
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Fred!
>
> > See, you're a very confused individual that doesn't understand how
> > *real* sites are designed.
>
> I'm not confused.. I'm very clear. A "real" website is a website that
> exists in reality, as opposed to a fictional website portrayed on
> television, for instance. And since I understand exactly how they are
> designed, your statement is false.
>
> > BTW, I don't know shit about coding,
>
> In a previous message, you stated that anyone can code. What happened
> to that claim?
>
> > yet I've designed plenty of websites that are allot better then yours. >
:(
>
> Better for what? Your site serves a purpose. Our site serves an
> entirely different purpose, and it serves that purpose well. If we
> wanted our site to be "pretty", or we were interested in designing such
> sites, I would have hired someone that knows how to make pretty sites.
> We don't care about pretty sites.. pretty-site designing doesn't make
> money. Most people that design such sites do it for themselves; they
> don't hire someone else to do it.
>
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"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3968ED00...@dcs-home.com>, Nick Coons
> <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Fred!
> >
> >> I can do Flash,
> >
> > Can you show me? I don't want a link, (you can link me to anyone's
> >site). I want you to create something in Flash and send it to me.
> >
> >> see, there's just not point in using it they way your guy does.
> >
> > There is, obviously he wouldn't've. How would you use Flash?
>
>
> The need was that you were to STUPID to see that there was NO NEED!!!
> TeRRy
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I can make a Flash movie in 3 hours, but Flash is only useful for toons and
multimedia.
I'm thinking of doin' an ALT.TEEnS .avi movie, but I'll need pic's of
everyone.............!#$
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"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3968D699...@dcs-home.com>, Nick Coons
> <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Terry!
> >
> >> You know that I give you credit where you DESERVE IT!!!!
> >> And although you are NOT the BEST I have seen, you are BeTTer
> >> than....nickąs punk.
> >> TeRRy
> >> PS-A LOT BeTTer!!!!!
> >
> > You do it, then. I want to see you create something in Flash. No?
> >You can't?
>
>
> I do not have Flash (no need)....but if you send me the MAC Application,
> I will be able to do something way better than you can, in less than 3
> days.
> TeRRy
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to hell and don't even know how to customize it, see my desktop/ IT ROOLZ!
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"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3968D965...@dcs-home.com>, Nick Coons
> <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote:
>
> >> A person who actually KNOWs HOW to D-FUCKIN-sign a site would KNOW
> >> BeTTer!!!!!
> >> Let me remind you to look at MINE once more!!!!
> >
> > I have.. I only have one more icon than you do.
>
>
> Unfortunately....ALL those ICONS (8 of them) are ALL hard drives.
> The few items that I use a lot are seen in the powerbar that I have on
> the top of the screen.
> The one on the bottom, only shows what programs are currently running.
> These are NOT "icons"
>
> Just makes you choke to admit that a MAC is better than you could ever
> be....huh?
> Look at ole PuP _ He also has a MUCH nicer desktop than you.
>
> Since you are <snicker> "in charge"....I can just imagine what people
> who come to your (lack of a better word) "office", would actually think
> about you, once they see that their kid has a better designed desktop.
>
> Nothing else to say......
>
> TeRRy
> --
> ---
Nick Coons
> > I will be glad to show you samples of my code.. do you have any
> > requests?
> I do not know code, so I could not comment on it.
That's all you've been doing is commenting on it. Not that I'm
claiming to just now realize this, as it was apparent long ago, but I
thought that you would be capable of a reasonable discussion (my
mistake).. you simply like to complain, whether you know anything about
the subject or not.. and more often it's not.
I'm bored of talking to you; you are unreceptive. When you have
something of content to say, I may respond.
> I would suggest derFie....but I am sure that he had much better things
> to do, and proof read for your site.
Plus he doesn't know any coding either.
Nick Coons
> Oh yes, so typical, *OUR SITE IS UGLY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE LIKES > IT!* right? :^)
> You goofball, you.
Oh yeah.. *that's* what I said..
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Terry!
>
> > > I will be glad to show you samples of my code.. do you have any
> > > requests?
>
> > I do not know code, so I could not comment on it.
>
> That's all you've been doing is commenting on it. Not that I'm
> claiming to just now realize this, as it was apparent long ago, but I
> thought that you would be capable of a reasonable discussion (my
> mistake).. you simply like to complain, whether you know anything about
> the subject or not.. and more often it's not.
>
> I'm bored of talking to you; you are unreceptive. When you have
> something of content to say, I may respond.
>
> > I would suggest derFie....but I am sure that he had much better things
> > to do, and proof read for your site.
>
> Plus he doesn't know any coding either.
>
Nick Coons
> No need for coding skills to design web-sites, stupid. :^)
We've already been here. You like going in circles, don't you?
Garp
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> See!
>
> I do know what I'm talking about.
>
> Just because I like to use the F word doesn't mean my arguments aren't
> credible.!
>
That's where you're wrong. Using fuck in every sentence or even every other
word betrays a profound lack of intelligence and vocabulary, that you are
forced to use such expletives to try and get the point across, whereas
anyone with and finesse in the English language does not have to rely on it.
--
Garp
"Intelligence is almost useless to the person whose only quality it is."
- Alexis Carrel (1873 - 1944)
http://garp.homepage.com
Garp
> You should really shut your stupid mouth about *manners* you sexist pig.
Ohhhh that's hard. Realy hard. You couldn't think of any good way to cover
the reality of my statement, and come up with a decent insult, so you
bluster about by using the old 'sexist' card. Gosh that really hurts. So
hard. I don't think I can cope with the pain.
Re:
fucker................
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"Garp" <garp_gray...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Re: <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
> news:P0s95.9945$oh5.7...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > See!
> >
> > I do know what I'm talking about.
> >
> > Just because I like to use the F word doesn't mean my arguments aren't
> > credible.!
> >
> That's where you're wrong. Using fuck in every sentence or even every
other
> word betrays a profound lack of intelligence and vocabulary, that you are
> forced to use such expletives to try and get the point across, whereas
> anyone with and finesse in the English language does not have to rely on
it.
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"Garp" <garp_gray...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Re: <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote in message
> news:f0F95.816$%P.7...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > You should really shut your stupid mouth about *manners* you sexist pig.
>
> Ohhhh that's hard. Realy hard. You couldn't think of any good way to
cover
> the reality of my statement, and come up with a decent insult, so you
> bluster about by using the old 'sexist' card. Gosh that really hurts. So
> hard. I don't think I can cope with the pain.
>
Re:
*good doggy*
Now go fetch yourself a brain. :^)
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Garp
> Read some of your own posts you stupid mother fucker............
And again.... this is just getting tooo scary.....
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Garp
> Dickwad.~
>
help!!!! he's scaring me!!!!
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"*TeRRy*" <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <mpda5.3598$%P.29...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Re:" <vit...@shinygraphics.com> wrote:
>
> >Hey, don't diss the PC desktop, it's cool, but some of the users let it
go
> >to hell and don't even know how to customize it, see my desktop/ IT
ROOLZ!
>
>
> OH?????
> You added YET ³ANOTHER ONE² ???
> Perhaps my suggestions of MAC ease of use....has helped you to clean IT
> off, and make it more able to to be utilized by a normal person???
>
> So that would be DeskTop #8 ???
>
> TeRRy
> --
> ---
Nick Coons
> Just by posting some CODE....IT does NOT mean that YOU know how to do
> IT, or that YOU actually did IT.
> With all the programs that do about anything a person wants without
> code, this is quickly coming a useless art.
> EVEN *I* could post that shit, and not even know what I posted.
I'll explain every line if you'd like.
> YOU can even get a printout of CODE that could make you look ALL SO
> WONDERFUL to people who do NOT know that most web-design programs will
> also give you a text file for whatever you want.
You cannot get programs that will write code such as that for you.
> I would trust derFie, to do a BeTTer web site....than him (or u).
Then you have misplaced your trust, but I'm not surprised.
Re:
> You cannot get programs that will write code such as that for you.
You can, however, get a 12 year old to do that (among other things :)).
> > I would trust derFie, to do a BeTTer web site....than him (or u).
> Then you have misplaced your trust, but I'm not surprised.
*whips out pp and starts waving it in Nicky's direction*.
Garp
> Hi Terry!
> You cannot get programs that will write code such as that for you.
*cough* Jamba *cough*
Re:
> *cough* Jamba *cough*
*cough* Cock-sucka' *cough*
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Nick Coons
> > You cannot get programs that will write code such as that for you.
> You can, however, get a 12 year old to do that (among other things
> :)).
You're right about that.. because I did that stuff when I was 12.
Nick Coons
> > You cannot get programs that will write code such as that for you.
> *cough* Jamba *cough*
??
Re:
shut it already.
Coding has little to do with *web-design* because most designers will use
Dreamweaver/Fireworks to create a site then give it a to a code-monkey like
your-self to clean up the code.
See coders don't understand design, they only understand coding, coders
don't do anything but clean up the designers code and make code that the
designer requests.
OK?
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"Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Fred!
>
> > > You cannot get programs that will write code such as that for you.
>
> > You can, however, get a 12 year old to do that (among other things
> > :)).
>
> You're right about that.. because I did that stuff when I was 12.
>
Re:
>
> ??
Sokay, it's his nickname for the 12 yearold boy down the street that codes
his sites and gives him blow jobs. ; )
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Nick Coons
> Coding is an extremely easy skill to learn, therefore I think you
> should shut it already.
Heh.. coding is extremely *difficult* to learn. Since you don't know
anything about coding, I also wouldn't expect you to make an accurate
assessment of it's difficulty.
> Coding has little to do with *web-design* because most designers will > use Dreamweaver/Fireworks to create a site then give it a to a
> code-monkey like your-self to clean up the code.
You seem to be under the impression that the term "web-design" means
only the *look* of the site, and this is not the case. In that sense, I
understand what you are saying. But commercial sites have much more to
them than the way they look. The code behind the site is what counts in
cases such as that, and the actual look of the site becomes a trivial
matter.
> See coders don't understand design, they only understand coding,
> coders don't do anything but clean up the designers code and make code > that the designer requests.
> OK?
The graphic artist and coder often work together to create the site,
one is not a subsidiary of the other. But rather, both of those people
(or a group of those people) work for the client.
Nick Coons
> > I'll explain every line if you'd like.
> I can just see your minimum wage + 5? person, rushing to type a reply.
He is handicapped, in a wheel-chair, has little use of his hands, and
types with a pen in his mouth. I don't think he'd be eager to type that
much.
> > You cannot get programs that will write code such as that for you.
> They might not WRITE the code, but they can make a site as good or
> BETTER than you have.
You seem to be off-base on what we're discussing. We are not talking
about pretty websites. Obviously you can get programs that will assist
you with that as opposed to writing HTML. For anyone that is fluent in
HTML, this is of little advantage. For anyone that doesn't understand
how to layout a site, such programs will not be of much use.
As for search engines, eCommerce, auto-updates, and quite a few other
things.. you cannot get programs that will write these for you. You
can, however, find free source that other people have written; but
that's only useful if you already know how to code and want to save
time.
> ANY of derFie's site's are WAY BeTTer than the one you posted.
If you're serious about that, why don't we take a poll and settle it?
First, we need a somewhat objective set of criteria and a grading
scale. Any volunteers?
Re:
Hi Monkey!
> Heh.. coding is extremely *difficult* to learn.
LOL!
> Since you don't know
> anything about coding
I know enough to know it's not difficult to learn.
> You seem to be under the impression that the term "web-design" means
> only the *look* of the site
That's what *design* is, goofball.
> The code behind the site is what counts in
> cases such as that
> and the actual look of the site becomes a trivial
> matter.
Your fantasies are irrelevant to the subject. :^)
First the designer designs the site, then he lets the code-monkey do the
rest. That's how it works, not the other way around.
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Garp
> Hi Garp!
>
> > > You cannot get programs that will write code such as that for you.
>
>
> ??
>
It's a program that'll create Java code for you.
CalPup
> "Nick Coons" <ni...@dcs-home.com> wrote i
> > > ANY of derFie's site's are WAY BeTTer than the one you posted.
> > If you're serious about that, why don't we take a poll and settle it?
> > First, we need a somewhat objective set of criteria and a grading
> > scale. Any volunteers?
> I chuckle @ your challenge. :^)
Well, choke on.
I went through it.
Navigable. The important thing.
Thought it as good as any commercial site of its class.
The flashshot was cute & nicely done.
Loaded up right nicely. (But then I do have a Mac, y'know);
Useful, except for not being able to see what NIck'd charge me
for an Atholon. ;)
Just an impartial opinion,
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Nick Coons
> Your fantasies are irrelevant to the subject. :^)
Then why are you the one posting them?
> First the designer designs the site, then he lets the code-monkey do
> the rest. That's how it works, not the other way around.
You apparently have no clue how it works. How many commercial sites
have you been involved in the development of?