Silly American Laws...
The Ragin Philosopher
statutory RAPE (yes, thats the word I hear used), just because I'm an adult
(18). BUT, if its 17, and 14, their is no problem whatsoever, does anyone see a
problem with this? (there's only 2.5 yrs difference in both cases).
Another stupid law IIRC (I'm not sure on this one) - if two minors are caught
having sex, ONLY THE BOY is guilty of a crime WTF???
U know, us younger people 15+ aren't mindless drones that can't tell when we
WANT to do something and when we don't. Theres many girls that take advantage
of guys, the same way guys can. Is a 14 year old girl mentally retarded, with
no mind of their own?
Then there is the drinking age issue (21 instead of 18, yet driving is
16, instead of 18, Huh??) Why is someone responsible enough to drive, or be
tried for murder as an adult, but their not responsible enough to drink???
What's with all these weird interpretations and/or laws. Biologically, there's
no reason that a healthy 16 year old can't drink, reasonably. If you can drive
at 16, I say drink at 16.
There are probably more (you can go to jail for enjoying a bagel in the metro
train), but these really stand out.
RP aka Madrox II
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> You know if I happen to have a girlfriend who is 15, I can go to JAIL for
> statutory RAPE (yes, thats the word I hear used), just because I'm an adult
> (18). BUT, if its 17, and 14, their is no problem whatsoever, does anyone see a
> problem with this? (there's only 2.5 yrs difference in both cases).
Depends on the state, my friend. Taking MN as an example (both because
it's my home state and because the law is actually pretty
understandable), and using the scenario you provided: If your
girlfriend is at least 13 but less than 16 and you are more than 48
months (4 years) older, it's a sexual offense. What's permissible with
regard to 16-18 year-olds is less clear. From the laws on the books, it
appears that it's not rape unless you have a "significant relationship"
(translation: father/teacher/priest, etc.--I think) with them and that
it doesn't matter how much older one is, but according to my friend's
father, who is a lawyer, if you're over 21, you can get into trouble
for messing around with someone under 18 (even though the AOC is 16). I
don't think I'd risk it. Anyhow, like I said, it depends on the state
(and country). All this crap is available at www.ageofconsent.com, so
you can look it up for yourself.
> Another stupid law IIRC (I'm not sure on this one) - if two minors are caught
> having sex, ONLY THE BOY is guilty of a crime WTF???
I don't know about this, but I'll bet that it, too, falls under state
jurisdiction.
> U know, us younger people 15+ aren't mindless drones that can't tell when we
> WANT to do something and when we don't.
Don't overestimate your maturity. I thought I was pretty mature at your
age, too, but when I look back now, I realize that I was NOT.
> Theres many girls that take advantage
> of guys, the same way guys can. Is a 14 year old girl mentally retarded, with
> no mind of their own?
If she is, it doesn't matter how old the guy involved is. It's a sexual
offense regardless.
> Then there is the drinking age issue (21 instead of 18, yet driving is
> 16, instead of 18, Huh??) Why is someone responsible enough to drive, or be
> tried for murder as an adult, but their not responsible enough to drink???
I don't drink, so it doesn't affect me directly, except to be a
nuisance in dealing with going places with my older friends, but I
think that the age will, eventually, be lowered. Also, you should
probably lose the "responsible enough to drive" clause, as many people
feel that they AREN'T. Use "old enough to fight and die for your
country," instead--it's much more convincing.
> What's with all these weird interpretations and/or laws.
You're the one with the weird interpretations. Instead of shooting from
the hip, why not try to find out the *real* reasons behind them?
> Biologically, there's
> no reason that
"Biologically"!? Who says the law is based on biology? That's a pretty
weak argument.
> a healthy 16 year old can't drink, reasonably.
Hey, look! You've answered your own question. Actually, it should say
"a 16 year old won't drink reasonably," but close enough. (And yes, I
know that not all 16 y.o.'s have the same maturity level, but I think
the majority of them could stand a couple more years of experience
under their belts before allowing them free reign where alcohol is
concerned.)
> If you can drive
> at 16, I say drink at 16.
That's some pretty messed up logic. For one, who says that you *should*
be driving at 16? Maybe the countries with a higher driving age have it
right. For two, what does a 16-year-old *need* to be able to buy
alcohol for? (A: Not a thing.)
-chance
EatAFreakingShoe
>statutory RAPE (yes, thats the word I hear used), just because I'm an adult
>(18). BUT, if its 17, and 14, their is no problem whatsoever, does anyone see
>a
>problem with this? (there's only 2.5 yrs difference in both cases).
ya, i had a gf that was 16 when i was 18 and her friends who didn't like me
tried to get me charged with rape..it was a mess but my gf smoothed it out with
the cops and never talked to her friends again =\
the astroprojecting dragonfly goddess
Philosopher <mad...@aol.comWWFrocks> writes
>You know if I happen to have a girlfriend who is 15, I can go to JAIL for
>statutory RAPE (yes, thats the word I hear used), just because I'm an adult
>(18). BUT, if its 17, and 14, their is no problem whatsoever, does anyone see a
>problem with this? (there's only 2.5 yrs difference in both cases).
I thought that it was the same with a 17 and 14 y/o. I can understand
that, because the younger is not legally old enough to have sex, and so
the older has to be done for something. Rape is just a good excuse.
>Another stupid law IIRC (I'm not sure on this one) - if two minors are caught
>having sex, ONLY THE BOY is guilty of a crime WTF???
Yeah. Only the guy gets done. But, hey! The girls don't mind..
I think it sucks.
Another on is that you can be married, have a child, drive and have a
full time job, but you still can't buy or rent a video classified as
(18).
B Hud
deal. The bottom line: 16 yr olds will drink; are they responsible enuff?
Looking back, IO can say HELL NO. Ditto with 17-20. 21 is cutting it tight,
but dont look for it to be reduced. IT's very easy: If a state were to do
that, they would lose their federal highway money. No one's gonna throw tha
tchange away so a few kids can drink.
Only for a limited time... <cha...@bigfoot.com.xremovex> wrote in message
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> The Ragin Philosopher had these two cents to give...
> > You know if I happen to have a girlfriend who is 15, I can go to JAIL
for
> > statutory RAPE (yes, thats the word I hear used), just because I'm an
adult
> > (18). BUT, if its 17, and 14, their is no problem whatsoever, does
anyone see a
> > problem with this? (there's only 2.5 yrs difference in both cases).
>
> Depends on the state, my friend. Taking MN as an example (both because
> it's my home state and because the law is actually pretty
> understandable), and using the scenario you provided: If your
> girlfriend is at least 13 but less than 16 and you are more than 48
> months (4 years) older, it's a sexual offense. What's permissible with
> regard to 16-18 year-olds is less clear. From the laws on the books, it
> appears that it's not rape unless you have a "significant relationship"
> (translation: father/teacher/priest, etc.--I think) with them and that
> it doesn't matter how much older one is, but according to my friend's
> father, who is a lawyer, if you're over 21, you can get into trouble
> for messing around with someone under 18 (even though the AOC is 16). I
> don't think I'd risk it. Anyhow, like I said, it depends on the state
> (and country). All this crap is available at www.ageofconsent.com, so
> you can look it up for yourself.
>
> > Another stupid law IIRC (I'm not sure on this one) - if two minors are
caught
> > having sex, ONLY THE BOY is guilty of a crime WTF???
>
Oliver Nightingale
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In article <19991007232523...@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
mad...@aol.comWWFrocks (The Ragin Philosopher) wrote:
> You know if I happen to have a girlfriend who is 15, I can go to JAIL for
> statutory RAPE (yes, thats the word I hear used), just because I'm an adult
> (18). BUT, if its 17, and 14, their is no problem whatsoever, does anyone see
a
> problem with this? (there's only 2.5 yrs difference in both cases).
>
> Another stupid law IIRC (I'm not sure on this one) - if two minors are caught
> having sex, ONLY THE BOY is guilty of a crime WTF???
>
> U know, us younger people 15+ aren't mindless drones that can't tell when we
> WANT to do something and when we don't. Theres many girls that take advantage
> of guys, the same way guys can. Is a 14 year old girl mentally retarded, with
> no mind of their own?
>
> Then there is the drinking age issue (21 instead of 18, yet driving is
> 16, instead of 18, Huh??) Why is someone responsible enough to drive, or be
> tried for murder as an adult, but their not responsible enough to drink???
> What's with all these weird interpretations and/or laws. Biologically,
there's
> no reason that a healthy 16 year old can't drink, reasonably. If you can drive
> at 16, I say drink at 16.
>
Joey Gambino
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Rico Suavè
The Ragin Philosopher <mad...@aol.comWWFrocks> wrote in message
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> You know if I happen to have a girlfriend who is 15, I can go to JAIL for
> statutory RAPE (yes, thats the word I hear used), just because I'm an
adult
> (18). BUT, if its 17, and 14, their is no problem whatsoever, does anyone
see a
> problem with this? (there's only 2.5 yrs difference in both cases).
It's not rape unless the girl puts in a claim. You can do what you want,
just make sure she wont get pissed at you later..
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The furby is out there. . .
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Joey Gambino <gam...@alt-teens.org> wrote in message
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> Not if you are the one representing said country. America is just fine
for
> me.
>
The Bearded Lady
<gam...@alt-teens.org> writes
>Not if you are the one representing said country. America is just fine for
>me.
everywhere you go saying "like yeah!" and 8 y/o's going to there
parents, "can we get my pokemon now?".
But everything is soooooo cheap!
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Well mine are even worse!"
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> Not really. Notice Louisiana finally gave in to the 21 yrs old to drink
> deal. The bottom line: 16 yr olds will drink; are they responsible enuff?
> Looking back, IO can say HELL NO. Ditto with 17-20. 21 is cutting it tight,
> but dont look for it to be reduced. IT's very easy: If a state were to do
> that, they would lose their federal highway money. No one's gonna throw tha
> tchange away so a few kids can drink.
Did I say that individual states would change the ages without respect
to the federal gov't's wishes? No. To repeat myself, I think the age
will, eventually, be reduced. My guess is that it'll eventually be 18
or 20. When? I don't know, but I'll bet it'll happen sometime down the
line.
As for a 20-year-old not being responsible enough to drink--criteria,
please?
-chance
Bat3072
us as idiots. If we spent as much time worrying about kids having guns as we
do about who's getting laid our schools would be safe.
Brent
Only for a limited time...
> Yea, we are pretty fucking stupid in this country.
Speak for yourself.
> The rest of the world views
> us as idiots.
That's debatable.
> If we spent as much time worrying about kids having guns as we
> do about who's getting laid our schools would be safe.
Because everyone knows worrying is SUCH a productive activity...
-chance
Jonnie
> Not really. Notice Louisiana finally gave in to the 21 yrs old to
> drink
> deal. The bottom line: 16 yr olds will drink; are they responsible
> enuff?
> Looking back, IO can say HELL NO. Ditto with 17-20. 21 is cutting it
> tight,
> but dont look for it to be reduced. IT's very easy: If a state were
> to do
> that, they would lose their federal highway money. No one's gonna
> throw tha
> tchange away so a few kids can drink.
Speaking from my own personal experience I was mature enough to drink at
16 (which is as far as i know the legal age over here in Holland). Not
being allowed untill you're 21, yet being allowed to drive at 16 imo is
really silly.
I guess it's all a matter of priorities and education.
Cars aren't that expensive in america and the traffic isn't as dense as
it is in Holland, so a teen wrecking a car isn't that big a deal. As for
the alcohol, educating kids and letting them experience it for
themselves teaches more that waiting untill they're 21 can ever do.
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<Jon...@panic.et.tudelft.nl>wrote:
>B Hud wrote:
>
>> Not really. Notice Louisiana finally gave in to the 21 yrs old to
>> drink
>> deal. The bottom line: 16 yr olds will drink; are they responsible
>> enuff?
>> Looking back, IO can say HELL NO. Ditto with 17-20. 21 is cutting it
>> tight,
>> but dont look for it to be reduced. IT's very easy: If a state were
>> to do
>> that, they would lose their federal highway money. No one's gonna
>> throw tha
>> tchange away so a few kids can drink.
>
>Speaking from my own personal experience I was mature enough to drink at
>16 (which is as far as i know the legal age over here in Holland). Not
>being allowed untill you're 21, yet being allowed to drive at 16 imo is
>really silly.
>I guess it's all a matter of priorities and education.
>
>Cars aren't that expensive in america and the traffic isn't as dense as
>it is in Holland, so a teen wrecking a car isn't that big a deal. As for
>the alcohol, educating kids and letting them experience it for
>themselves teaches more that waiting untill they're 21 can ever do.
well said.
klaatu
>> 16 yr olds will drink; are they responsible enuff?
>> Looking back, IO can say HELL NO. Ditto with 17-20. 21 is cutting it tight,
>Donna:
>Hey I know a wad of people over 40 who are no more responsible than a
>bunch of crazy-assed frat boys when it comes to booze. Age is moot.
<applause> agreed.
>>Jonnie:
>> Speaking from my own personal experience
>>I was mature enough to drink at 16
>>(which is as far as i know the legal age over here in Holland).
>In Europe kids are brought up with it, no sweat, right?
>> I guess it's all a matter of priorities and education.
>>
>> Cars aren't that expensive in america
>> and the traffic isn't as dense as it is in Holland,
>Donna:
>You don't live in Pinellas county Fla. Highest
>population density in the country, I think. Lotsa retirees too.
>Man are they deadly on the road: Katie Bar The Door...
<cheers and shouting> yes !
age is about as relevant as shoe size.
individual competence is all.
Paige
everything else is at 18... most people leave home and work or go to uni
at around 18 BUT the student allowance and loan schemes relate to your
parents income until you are 25!! So basically we aren't considered
adults until we're 25...?
Jonnie wrote:
> Speaking from my own personal experience I was mature enough to drink at
> 16 (which is as far as i know the legal age over here in Holland). Not
> being allowed untill you're 21, yet being allowed to drive at 16 imo is
> really silly.
> I guess it's all a matter of priorities and education.
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Jonnie <Jon...@panic.et.tudelft.nl> wrote:
> B Hud wrote:
>
> > Not really. Notice Louisiana finally gave in to the 21 yrs old to
> > drink
> > enuff?
> > Looking back, IO can say HELL NO. Ditto with 17-20. 21 is cutting
it
> > tight,
bunch of crazy-assed frat boys when it comes to booze. Age is moot.
>
at
> 16 (which is as far as i know the legal age over here in Holland).
In Europe kids are brought up with it, no sweat, right?
>
> I guess it's all a matter of priorities and education.
>
> Cars aren't that expensive in america and the traffic isn't as dense
as
> it is in Holland, You don't live in Pinellas county Fla. Highest
population density in the country, I think. Lotsa retirees too. Man are
they deadly on the road: Katie Bar The Door...
> --
> a.k.a. Calis the Eagle of Krondor.
>
> 'Be afraid of him. Be very afraid. He is not what he seems. He is
> the Eagle of Krondor, and wise men keep out of sight when he flies
> above'
>
>
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<Jon...@panic.et.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>Speaking from my own personal experience I was mature enough to drink at
>16 (which is as far as i know the legal age over here in Holland).
16 for beer and wine and stuff
18 for hard liquor
Dani
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drink other stuff. I like to do things I enjoy and breathe air. I have a name and
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I am outside, and in my pants is a small African colony where I breed laces and
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something 16 year olds generally lack.
Russ wrote:
> The Ragin Philosopher wrote:
>
> > Then there is the drinking age issue (21 instead of 18, yet driving is
> > 16, instead of 18, Huh??) Biologically, there's
> > no reason that a healthy 16 year old can't drink, reasonably.
>
> Are 16 year olds known for drinking reasonably? Or just to get drunk?
>
> Has a 16 year old's liver finished forming?
>
> Russ