it's that hated subject again...
Julia K.
help me out
Do you believe in love? does it even exist? if it does, WHAT THE HELL IS
IT? (meaning, is there a specific definition, "characteristics" if you
please...)
Xcalibur
No. I believe that everyone has their own perfect soulmate... Whether or not
anybody actually finds their's is another matter...
>does it even exist?
Probably not. I think that once upon a time somebosy understood what love
was... But then the word started getting thrown around so now whenever
somebody feels strongly about somebody else... It's called love/
Chicamojo
I for one believe love is when your boyfriend(or girlfriend) is driving a car
and you are in the passenger's seat. if someone was to put a gun to his(or
her) head -say they were hi jacking you, or something- if you decide to put
your head up against theirs and die if they died, then its true love.
If you dont, its just puppy love then.
M-A-L
Chicamojo
to tell is, if you truly care about them, your face can turn from any frown to
a smile when thy appear, you long all day for a kiss, hug, or their sweet
caress, and if you think about them atleast once a day, and you are happy.
then you love that person
this can be in a sexual or non swexual way.
get it now??
thats only my opinion though.
Id loive to hear other explanations of it though.
Bring it,
M-A-L
HoL
I hope it exists.
[HoL]
Happiness lies within one's self,
and the way to dig it out is cocaine.
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JuJuB210
a feeling. I know that it is a great feeling, like the best in the world (that
is if they love you back). I don't know what the signs are, since everyone is
different, but I know that you won't to be with them all of the tiime, and that
their little flaws don't really matter, because you love the whole picture of
them (and everything about them)
TIFFANY AUSTIN
world. It can take you to the top of the highest mountain and throw you
to the bottom of the deepest canyon. It will nourish you and it will
starve you. It can fill you with the sweetest emotions and leave you
with only emptiness. Worth it? You be the judge.
Julia K.
HoL wrote:
> sounds pretty vauge
>
but then again... if you can write out a definition of love and such for it NOT to
sound vague, you're really good :)
HoL
> a feeling. I know that it is a great feeling, like the best in the world (that
> is if they love you back). I don't know what the signs are, since everyone is
> different, but I know that you won't to be with them all of the tiime, and that
> their little flaws don't really matter, because you love the whole picture of
> them (and everything about them)
sounds pretty vauge
--
LiyLak
You cannot have an emotion (or should i say understand it) without its
opposite.
> does it even exist?
yup yup, i believe so
> if it does, WHAT THE HELL IS
>IT? (meaning, is there a specific definition, "characteristics" if you
>please...)
Hmm,* trust*, compassion, understanding, reality, forgiveness, openess, passion
(not neccessarily in a physical sense, but that is one of the outlets).
Leigh
HoL
> sound vague, you're really good :)
better than good....
=) possibly love is just a vague feeling.
i've said it many times.. we have one word for love, other races have up to four or
five.
Lexa Dear
love...
Does it even exist?
*Of couse it does, it's everywhere... I do believe it exists in different
varriations however (ex/ it's possible to love your best friend, your cat and
your significant other equally... you just love them differently)
If it does, WHAT THE HELL IS IT?
*"He who does not see the faults of his beloved as virtues does not love" I
think that says it all. If you can still love a person after knowing and
accepting their faults then it's real love. I think some people run into
problems when they think they know a person well enough to know most of their
faults when in fact they really haven't even begun to know the persons
virtues.
Okay, that's all I've got to say. 'Night all! ;)
~Lexa~
Iris of Autumn
help me out
IT? (meaning, is there a specific definition, "characteristics" if you
please...)
Juila K.
******well...all I have to say..is that If Love doesn't exist.....what do
or die emotion is this that I feel when I lay in my lover's arms, and when
he is away, why do I lament for his eventual (though painstakingly slow)
return? If this isn't Love, why do I covet this enigmatic being so much?
one more thought....a free former, i suppose...******
Poem.from Matt.
Trees are blowing and galaxies are forming
You, my cosmic destiny, luster in my soul
and create balance in my life
Violet tears fall to a warm shore
but my love, I will always catch them for you
For you are my royalty, and I am a servant of love and protection.
Verse.from Iris.
voice of reason, call for me tonight.
lend me your ears, oh mistresses of flight
shall i be boring you for all eternity
with praises of such wonderment
as i glance upon he.
Him, with features fair and broad
finest smiles of all the land
Broadcasing his endearment to me
Pledging his love, for all with eyes to see.
What more to gather from this, little ones
What more to shed further kisses upon, this late winter’s eve
a moment paused, when we each held each other’s gaze
we saw ourselves in each other’s face
and then doth known, what we had yet to embrace
cradled our fears, and found love’s first sweet taste.
Iris, of Autumn.
ian phillips
love, erotic love and everyone seems to say love when they mean dotage,
armour, lust, desire, like. Do you know how other races differentiate their
words for love?
HoL wrote in message <36510D7F...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au>...
Julia K.
ian phillips wrote:
> I guess we have some of forgotten or unused words - agape love, platonic
> love, erotic love and everyone seems to say love when they mean dotage,
> armour, lust, desire, like. Do you know how other races differentiate their
> words for love?
>
> Ian,
> ian.ph...@dial.pipex.com
>
In Russian, there are a few words for the different... extents, maybe... of
love--as in LOVE, obsession, desire, like, etc. The different kinds of love
usually involve the actual single word "love" with something added to it
(sometimes... usually you just have to figure out from the context).
Praseodymium 59
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|their little flaws don't really matter, because you love the whole picture
of
|them (and everything about them)
Yes, loving means forgiving. It also means that you'll do anything for the
happiness of the person you love... Even if doing that can hurt yourself,
either in a physical or psycological way.
I believe that I already know how to distinguish true love from the fake
plastic one - I almost commited suicide when I realized that my life didn't
make any sense without her.
Then I thought for a while and I understood that my life (our lives) don't
mean shit. Period.
OK, now I'm rambling...
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Praseodymium 59 http://nepenthe.fsn.net praseodymium59[at]nepenthe.fsn.net
"Love's a pile of shit that one day you ingest, digest, and have to
evacuate a year and a half later"
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TIFFANY AUSTIN
TiShiEgiRl
1) Your heart beats faster when you
hear their name
2) Your body melts when you are in their arms
3) They are the only one that you want
to be with
4) No one else is even worth looking at
5) You would walk 3 miles in the snow just to
see them
6) You will do everything in your power
to make them happy
7) When someone asks for your
number, you say "you
can call my
boy/girl friend and get it from
them
8) When every romantic thing makes
you think of them
9) When you cry when you won't see
each other for awhile
10) You go to sleep thinking about them
11) You wake up thinking about them
12) You want to spend every moment
with them
13) You don't mind if all they want to do is
cuddle
14) Silence doesn't bother you
15) They are not only your lover, but
your best-friend
16) You can tell them anything
17) You can go to the movies and
actually WATCH the movie
18) They are always there for you
19) They are there when times get
rough
20) When you say "I LOVE YOU" and
mean it
if you ask me I think if there wasn't love the world would end
HoL
> help me out
> Do you believe in love?
yes
> does it even exist?
yes, see answer to question one.
> if it does, WHAT THE HELL IS IT?
> (meaning, is there a specific definition, "characteristics" if you
> please.)
This is a brief (i'm not joking actually...) overview of what i actually
think it is... yeah right.
Pragmatic HoL:
Love is a name given to any emotion which allows you to feel happiness
from another thing. Adjectives can be placed before the word to better
define it, but as a singular, i think this definition is close.
Cynical HoL:
Its an evolutionary advantage. It allows the human race to do alot less
damage to itself. This detracts from the feeling because, as an evolutionary
advantage it is a set of chemical reactions designed to make us fuck and
preserve life. There is nothing spiritual about it, nothing special or
unique.
Empirical HoL:
I don't have a fucking clue.
Scientific HoL:
It is a set of states of chemical equilibrium in the brain. Certain
electro-chemical reactions stimulate us to feel 'something' for someone.
This doesn't detract from love however... Its still the same thing.
Lonely HoL:
Its when someone understands you.
Love Struck HoL:
You look into there eyes and its just there. The reasons for it don't
matter. Only those eyes matter. You both feel it... both of you...
Victorian HoL:
Its when you will sacrifice your life for someone.
Depressed HoL:
I will never know.
Romantic HoL:
Its when two souls touch and spin as one. When time seems to stand still
and nothing matters except you and them. It doesn't matter what they feel
for you, but they will feel the same... your soul mates. Its the reason.
Funky HoL:
Oh its like when you can both laugh together and have a great time. You
can chat for ages and just feel 'right' with someone. Happiness i guess.
Blue Movie HoL (often refered to as Sick Fuck HoL):
Its when you want someones body. You want to hold them and make them
feel good. Its when you fuck. Love in forms other than lust isn't worth a
mention.
Christianity HoL:
Its what i feel for my god. Its commitment and being a good family
member. Its marriage.
Anarcho-Libertarian HoL:
Its what can make the system as it stands crumble to the ground! ITs
what can make the human race all smile and live happily. Its not monogomous!
Hippy HoL:
Its the thing me and my commune do...
Spiritualistic HoL:
Its a connection between to souls. An unsaid understanding and being. It
comes from when we were all one, and you find your 'other half'.
Epic Fantasy Novel HoL:
Its when someone walks into a room, and you see them, for the first time
and its there. You know THEY are the ONE.
Esoteric HoL:
It doesn't need to be defined, it doesn't need to have words placed upon
it. I just, i just want to know it.
Delicate HoL:
Its when someone wraps their arms around you and you feel safe.
RetroReflective HoL:
It isn't easy. It isn't expectative. It isn't tangible. It isn't always
happy. It isn't always true. It isn't easy to find. It isn't easy to hold.
It isn't always fun. It isn't always what you expect. It sometimes comes
from the places you least expect it. It sometimes just appears. It often
comes diguised and hidden. It often is big, bad and abusive. Its something
most of us want, but only some of us find. Its something only a few of us
actually want.
Shakespearian HoL:
Juliet: The window let day in, and let life out.
HoL:
I don't know, but i think i love someone, and they could tell me
tomorrow they don't feel the same for me, and i'd smile and tell them 'thats
okay.'
Louka
> Victorian HoL: Depressed HoL: Romantic HoL: Funky HoL: Blue Movie HoL (often refered to
> as Sick Fuck HoL): Christianity HoL: Anarcho-Libertarian HoL: Hippy HoL: Spiritualistic
> HoL: Epic Fantasy Novel HoL: Esoteric HoL: Delicate HoL: RetroReflective HoL:
> Shakespearian HoL:
I'm impressed
> HoL:
> I don't know, but i think i love someone, and they could tell me
> tomorrow they don't feel the same for me, and i'd smile and tell them 'thats
> okay.'
you sick fuck ; p
TIFFANY AUSTIN
Josh
without love? Hmm? I believe that love can mean many things, from
romantic love to friendship, paternal love, etc. Each has its own
value, price, and purity attached to it. By that I mean that each has a
certain strength, risk associated (not always proportional to the
strength, as most people believe!), and purity, which would be how
"right" it feels (I don't know how to say that more clearly--it's just
as important.)
When we talk about givers and takers, we're talking about people who
give and take one thing: love. Sure, maybe they take a compliment
without giving a thank-you, but when you get right down to it they're
taking love. The problem is that there are a lot of takers. If you
believe nothing else I say, believe that it is more gratifying to be a
giver (I've been both at certain times, just like everyone). So love is
a VERY general thing, but...
I believe that most people are concerned with the mystery of romantic
love. I think that comparing it to a rose is a perfect analogy. You
don't try to count the petals on a rose, you just admire it as a whole.
If I have ever experienced real love, and I think I have, it was when I
met a girl in eighth grade. Now why did I? I have no idea. I was just
walking along, minding my own business, and then -bam-. It makes
absolutely no sense at all, and I've spent innumerable hours for the
past two years trying to figure it out.
That being said, thinking for two years about romantic love (I never
asked that girl out by the way =(. ), I've come to accept several things
about it. People who have the intelligence to analyze their pain (I
think that sensitivity is just about equal to intelligence) rarely
posses the wisdom to stop doing it (this was so in my case--I thought
about it for way too long). It's sort of like getting a huge cut and
then, without bandaging it, sitting their and staring at it. It hurts,
doesn't it?
Another thing I've come to accept is that there is some sort of general
thing that comes together for true love. It's like overtones of a
fusion of all their characteristics: mental, physical, etc. etc. -- sort
of like a musical chord perfectly in tune. Now, just as intonation is
based upon a trained ear, so our background influences, slightly, our
idea of our perfect partner.
Lastly, there are many things I sort of have only vague answers for.
Like love is close to hate. What's that mean? I'm almost tempted to
believe that it was someone with shallow thinking attempting to be
profound. However, my best explanation for this is that when you see
someone, the main feelings they've instilled in you come bubbling to the
top. And if you love someone, you're vulnerable... and if everyone's
imperfect, you're going to get hurt... and if you're going to remember
that when you see them... then you're going to hate them... I guess.
I've experienced this, but was it hate, or just hurt? Dunno.
Also, do you only have one shot at true love? I hope not. That would
really mess me up. I'm only 15 years old. I don't know. Complacency
does not appeal to me, but neither does misery. And then, if I don't
know someone completely, how can I be sure that my ear isn't hearing
false pitches in their chord? If those last statements are unclear, I'm
sorry, but I'm tired so I'm going to stop writing. I just had to say
some of this stuff cause it's hard to sit someone down and tell them it
all. Ya know what I mean?
Julia K. wrote:
>
> I'm just curious about people's opinions on this subject... so please
> help me out
> Do you believe in love? does it even exist? if it does, WHAT THE HELL IS
> IT? (meaning, is there a specific definition, "characteristics" if you
> please...)
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> you sick fuck ; p
Your starting to get the picture? *smiles*
LiyLak
>This is a brief (i'm not joking actually...) overview of what i actually
>think it is... yeah right
wow. are there enough HoL's??? What would satanic HoL say? (curious)
Leigh, who was very amused
She who fights hardest for what she wants will prevail against all odds. That
is a promise and a threat. Watch the shadows, for that is where I am.
Silence
Silence
HoL wrote:
<snip>
> HoL:
> I don't know, but i think i love someone, and they could tell me
> tomorrow they don't feel the same for me, and i'd smile and tell them 'thats
> okay.'
I think that this is your best explanation of love. Anyway... :)
Silence
sile...@earthlink.net
HoL
Satanic HoL:
Love who you will.
Thelimic HoL:
Love is the law, love under will.
Louka
Oh believe me, I already had the picture... *kiss*
HoL
>
> Oh believe me, I already had the picture... *kiss*
pictures speak a thousand words... and every single one of my thousand
would be spent expressing some very strong feeling for a certain person
at the moment.
*platonic kiss on the cheek*
something is happening to me *fear*
NTSD
There was a certain time when classes between people were very strongly
defined. And then came the period in history when classes really started to
break down and all sorts of things became possible. Those who had been
raised in a certain world came to find that, that world no longer exists,
in most people's hearts and souls, and to the general public. Now we simply
accept things that come their way and are prepared to live in a life, where
the bubble can burst in any large or small way at any fortuitous moment. We
all face complicated issues involving honor, duty, loyalty, and affairs of
their own hearts. And we can not easily control our own emotions or subdue
them.
Human emotions don't change with the passage of time. Even these days, we
still have the hopeless romantics and spiritual notions, that don't always
have a great deal to do w/reality. When it comes to the affair of the
heart, we are trapped in some sort of romantic novel. Many of us believe
that if you truly love someone, love will win out. But true love doesn't
always overcome all odds. And that will never change, no matter how many
years pass by. The best love is the predicament where you lose yourself.
However many people lose themselves in the idea of love, not the actual
consciousness, or unconsciousness, of love itself. When this happens the
emotional one, visualizes the world that they want to get lost in, and then
they create it, themselves, and generate their feelings, w/o actually
feeling them. This is where the mind plays tricks and forces itself to
believe that the love is there when in substantiality it's not.
Basically what i'm saying is, is that so many people hope for love that
they end up creating something that cannot kneel to marvel to true love
itself. Love comes around mor ethan once for some. but what if things just
keep getting more intense. for example you think you are in love but
realize now you really know what love is. is this a never-ending chain?
The things that you hope for the most, are that you can somehow produce
another world and that others will be able to believe in it, and you can
some way come to life and exist to others as you exist to yourself. That's
the fantasy---that you've created something, rather someone, that can truly
exist. A world, a society, a whole other place and person that you can
depend on. A couple of good minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years,
even decades. Something to remember.
"Love can sometimes be magic. But magic can sometimes...just be an
illusion."
"The greatest happiness of life is the conviction that we are loved --
loved for ourselves, or rather, loved in spite of ourselves."
Josh
is "in love" with Rosalyn, he's really just infatuated, which is what
you're describing. And I enjoyed your post; there was plenty to think
about. Thanks for the insights!
--
Praseodymium 59
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HoL wrote in message <36554BC6...@cygnus.uwa.edu.au>...
|Pragmatic HoL: Cynical HoL: Empirical HoL: Scientific HoL:
|Lonely HoL: Love Struck HoL: Victorian HoL: Depressed HoL:
|Romantic HoL: Funky HoL: Blue Movie HoL (often refered to as Sick Fuck
HoL):
|Christianity HoL: Anarcho-Libertarian HoL: Hippy HoL: Spiritualistic HoL:
|Epic Fantasy Novel HoL: Esoteric HoL: Delicate HoL: RetroReflective HoL:
|Shakespearian HoL:
HoL, this post of yours is great! I liked it so much I'm going to print it
out and
stuck it on my bedroom wall so that I can read it once in a while!
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Praseodymium 59 http://nepenthe.fsn.net praseodymium59!at!nepenthe.fsn.net
"Masochistic Pras: I love them, but they never love me. So I chase them
around for over 2 years, I cry myself to sleep, I walk for hours without a
destination, their faces mocking my mind in my head."
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HoL
> |Pragmatic HoL: Cynical HoL: Empirical HoL: Scientific HoL:
> |Lonely HoL: Love Struck HoL: Victorian HoL: Depressed HoL:
> |Romantic HoL: Funky HoL: Blue Movie HoL (often refered to as Sick Fuck
> HoL):
> |Christianity HoL: Anarcho-Libertarian HoL: Hippy HoL: Spiritualistic HoL:
> |Epic Fantasy Novel HoL: Esoteric HoL: Delicate HoL: RetroReflective HoL:
> |Shakespearian HoL:
>
> HoL, this post of yours is great! I liked it so much I'm going to print it
> out and
> stuck it on my bedroom wall so that I can read it once in a while!
Thanks! =) heheh i had fun writting it.
Louka
> would be spent expressing some very strong feeling for a certain person
> at the moment.
>
> *platonic kiss on the cheek*
>
> something is happening to me *fear*
Jeez... and there was me thinking that the internet was a place far from reality!
Brian Clark
Love is something that you feel, something you know is just so right
that for it to be wrong corrupts reality. Its when you and someone else
can jsut be so happy in each others prescence that you wouldn't rather
be anyone else. Its when you notice the way their eyes can jsut kind of
read your soul, so they know your moods as good as you do. Its when you
can tell that person something and you know that you can be comfortable
with them knowing. Love just is.
Taking from HoLs Idea
Confused Brian:
"I havent the slightest idea what love is, and I am not sure if I ever
will.....*sob sob*"
I got a computer. She got a car. How's that for being born under a bad
sign?---Ferris Bueller's Day off
HoL
What, the internet ISN'T reality?!?!?
jesus h. christ.
Blood stained thighs and
eyes dialate
and contemplate
their lonely disposition.
and positioned there;
roadkill.
Praseodymium 59
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Josh wrote in message <36581C7D...@saxophonestny.lrun.com>...
|Yeah, Shakespear said the same thing in "Romeo and Juliet." When Romeo
|is "in love" with Rosalyn, he's really just infatuated, which is what
|you're describing. And I enjoyed your post; there was plenty to think
Do you mean that if you "love" someone but that someone doesn't "love" you
back, there's no love in there? Are you saying that's just infatuation? :-/
A person can truly love another, even if that's not a mutual feeling. And
that person can love someone so much that they won't quit loving them, even
if that love is only making them suffer... It's as if we're addicted to
this drug... It kills us but we won't stop having it.
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"Life means meaninglessness Love is what measures Universe's eternal
reverberation"
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