Re: Accelerating the end of usenet?
SteveD
>Vale, fellow bobs. I fear we may be entering the end of the usenet
>world as we know it.
Nah, Usenet will be around for decades yet, even if only run between
enthusiasts and amateurs. And given that Google's shown an interest in it,
it might get boosted for even longer.
-SteveD
Jasper Janssen
>Yet another knee jerk reaction on a highly emotive subject
>
>http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23846139-5014239,00.html
>
>Note the line about "removing Newsgroups from our online service".
I especially like: "After ISPs initially ignored the investigators'
complaints, the attorney general's office threatened charges of fraud and
deceptive business practices. The companies agreed to cooperate and began
weeks of negotiations.
The ISPs also agreed to contribute more than $US1.1 million ($1.16
million) to help New York combat the spread of child pornography. "
a) fraud and deceptive business practices? Que?
b) Nice. Threaten with specious lawsuits and extort a million bucks.
Jasper
Gene Sullivan
> Vale, fellow bobs. I fear we may be entering the end of the usenet
> world as we know it.
Film at 11?
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Kevin Goebel
<jasper....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 11 Jun 2008 04:49:53 GMT, DaZZa <da...@deadspam.com> wrote:
>>Yet another knee jerk reaction on a highly emotive subject
>>http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23846139-5014239,00.html
>>Note the line about "removing Newsgroups from our online service".
>I especially like: "After ISPs initially ignored the investigators'
>complaints, the attorney general's office threatened charges of fraud and
>deceptive business practices. The companies agreed to cooperate and began
>weeks of negotiations.
ISP: "Bugger off." (Bobs start log files of AG department surfing and
reading habits.)
AG: "Do it or else!"
ISP: "Ok, let's start with Deputy DA Buttwipe. He downloaded 85 Gb of
alt.binaries.sexstarved.goats, posted 191 times on MySpacey from his "sexy
HS Senior" account. Next there is Deputy DA ScroteCheeks...."
AG: "Let's negotiate!"
>The ISPs also agreed to contribute more than $US1.1 million ($1.16
>million) to help New York combat the spread of child pornography. "
>a) fraud and deceptive business practices? Que?
el cheapo Pr0nPruf WebSafe freeware doesn't block teens using evil
newsreader/ftp/im programs to download nastypics via Internet connection.
>b) Nice. Threaten with specious lawsuits and extort a million bucks.
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in
here!
Kevin Goebel
SteveD
<roger+at...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>SteveD wrote:
>
>>Nah, Usenet will be around for decades yet, even if only run between
>>enthusiasts and amateurs. And given that Google's shown an interest in it,
>>it might get boosted for even longer.
>
>Yeah, it's a great place for Google to fill with spam. Just as email is
>becoming.
Just wait for Google Filter (tm)!
The founders of Google have said that they got into search as a path to
AI, and it would probably take an AI to do a perfect antispam job.
-SteveD
Peter Corlett
[...]
> The founders of Google have said that they got into search as a path to
> AI, and it would probably take an AI to do a perfect antispam job.
I substantially reduced my spam problem without using an AI: I just told my
mailserver to reject all mail from hosts with rDNS of *.google.com.
SteveD
>SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> mumbled:
>As the number of running servers decreases, as more and more ISP's
>discontinue running them, there's going to reach a critical mass where
>Usenet ceases to exist.
>
>I just don't know how far off that is.
Given that a Usenet feed stripped of all unnecessary crap (binaries, spam)
is not likely to get *too* much larger at too fast a pace, and given that
it may actually be declining as people use other things, and given the
continual increase in bandwidth and storage available to the home user, I
wouldn't be surprised to see long-time posters start running News servers
on their home boxes.
Not to mention that as long as there is a demand for it, there will always
be paid Usenet access services, even if they're running overseas.
Combining Usenet with Bittorrent might make for an interesting
distribution cloud.
-SteveD
Kevin Goebel
>Yet another knee jerk reaction on a highly emotive subject
>http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23846139-5014239,00.html
>Note the line about "removing Newsgroups from our online service".
>Now, I don't know if they're referring to hosted newsgroups, or access
>to newsgroup via readers, but either way, I suspect the end is nigh.
>A whole 88 different newsgroups containing images of the nature being
>actioned against. 88 out of - 20000? 30000?
>Fscking nanny-state morons. Don't fight the cause - fight the symptoms.
>Vale, fellow bobs. I fear we may be entering the end of the usenet
>world as we know it.
If I were in the mood to distribute contraband content, I would put it on a
web server behind the facade of a political or religious blog, and have
compartmentalized spy-cell style lists of backup domain names distributed to
readers in case the primary server was compromised. If nothing else, the
gubbermint would soon wind up paying extra to hire people to wade through
all the "legitimate" crap to try to find the contraband.
Kevin