Chimps and AIDS
Ostrich! <)
developed first in chimps, then spread to humans, I'm left
with questions. It's being claimed that the disease was
transmitted to humans initially when Africans ate infected
chimps. Surely Africans cook their food? Wouldn't cooking
destroy the virus? One's left to speculate as to whether
the initial infectees might have been satisfying other
appetites with the chimps...
-Ostrich! <")
Ace Lightning
in parts of Africa the following custom was (and
perhaps still is) done as a special experience:
a group of hunters would capture a chimp or similar
small ape, or a monkey. the creature would be
restrained, and the top of its skull removed.
then all participants took turns eating spoonfuls
of the brain, while the victim was still alive.
i believe part of the concept was to try to *keep*
the victim alive as long as possible. this was
considered a great delicacy. it was also something
daring and forbidden to sell as an adventure to
jaded Europeans and Americans looking for a perverse
thrill.
retroviruses are quite plentiful in infected
nervous-system tissues...
scrapie
Ace Lightning <acelig...@monmouth.com> wrote:
> Ostrich! wrote:
> > It's being claimed that the disease was
> > transmitted to humans initially when Africans ate infected
> > chimps. Surely Africans cook their food?
Certainly not. They're ignorant savages, after all. In fact,
Africans didn't have fire until they were taught to build them
by the European colonists. This is why Prometheus is a European,
not an African myth.
> > Wouldn't cooking destroy the virus?
Sure - but I was watching Nightline a few nights ago, and one
thing they don't do is cook the meat before they dress it. Now,
after a hard day of hunting, you don't wind up with pristine,
unbroken skin - and not one of the ignorant savages that I
saw had the good sense to wear latex gloves while dressing
the carcasses.
> > One's left to speculate as to whether
> > the initial infectees might have been satisfying other
> > appetites with the chimps...
Perhaps on *dead* chimps. Chimps are a) very fucking strong
and b) social. Trying to satisfy yourself with a live chimp
would likely see you torn limb from limb by either your
partner or the other members of its social group. Even
hitting a single chimp with a tranq dart is apparently hard
to do, because you'll likely be attacked by the undrugged
remainder of the troop.
> in parts of Africa
(snip brain consumption.) Is this done in Africa, too? I knew
of it as an Asian delicacy.
> retroviruses are quite plentiful in infected
> nervous-system tissues...
As are prions - the agents that cause mad cow disease, and retain
their infectivity in the face of heating and most chemical disinfection.
Have a gander at the ingredients in some of the health food nostrums
on the market just now. A number of them contain pituitary and
hypothalamus extracts. That is, brain extracts.
ObHealthFoodStore: I was looking for something very specific
at a health food store recently, and made the mistake of explaining
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no idea what I was talking about, but took this as an invite to
start a conversation. I don't remember how, but he brought the death
penalty up. He was so strongly in favor of it that I quickly realized
trying to have a conversation about it was pointless. He learned
his debating skills during the Dukakis-Bush campaign, apparently; one
of his questions involved "well, dude, what would you do if some
psycho raped and murdered your baby daughter?"
I turned from the ingredients list I'd been trying to scan, looked
him in the eye, and told him "Why, I'd tip him twenty dollars and
ask for a copy of the videotape."
He recoiled visibly, stammering "what did you say?" To help him out,
I repeated it verbatim.
ObT: he was so fucking stupid that he tried to continue the
conversation.
-Peter
"here, buddy, try a bottle of your fucking smart pills and see if
you can recognize 'this discussion's over, pinhead' next time
someone tells you as much..."
scr...@cyberpass.net
edg...@my-dejanews.com
Ostrich! <") <ost...@fysh.org> wrote:
> It's being claimed that the disease was
> transmitted to humans initially when Africans ate infected
> destroy the virus?
Yes, I think cooking would kill the thang. I watched one report
and thought the handling/butchering of the carcass was
when the transfer took place.
obT:
If memory serves, there was some talk, early on, about
the disease having been passed to humans from buggering
the critters. Cheetah, cum!
obT-imagery:
As they discussed the source, the camera follows a monkey
hunter. Three or four dismembered corpses in carrying
cases made from green sticks. A couple good close-ups.
...but I said " it's not big, it's not clever,
but I do most of my thinking with it."
~Lee Melton~
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Stephen Wells
alr...@ix.netcom.com(Alraune) wrote:
> >
> I read a seemingly plausible article years ago in (I think) Rolling
> Stone which proposed that HIV was spread from primates to himans when
> the polio vaccine was disseminated in Africa in the late Fifties. The
> weakened polio virus was cultured in the blood of the green monkey,
> rather than that of humans. This was because it was readily available
> and worthless otherwise (except to the monkeys), not just because the
> scientists thought it a good joke. The monkeys were also carrying HIV,
> which was passed along to the inoculated chillun.
>
Green monkeys are where you go for Ebola, not retroviruses- and the
demographics of the whole HIV thang don't fit with polio-inoculation.
One thing you can say for HIV- in a couple of decades, the whole
'overpopulation in the Third World' argument is going to look like a bad
historical joke. Just because AIDS kills people in slow motion doesn't
mean that it isn't going to thin out the population on a grand scale.
--
Mieulx est de ris que de larmes escrire,
Pour ce que rire est le propre de l'homme.
-Alcofribas Nasier
scrapie
Alraune wrote:
>
>I read a seemingly plausible article years ago in (I think) Rolling
>Stone which proposed that HIV was spread from primates to himans when
>the polio vaccine was disseminated in Africa in the late Fifties.
RS or possibly Spin, '87 or '88 IIRC. There was a letter to Nature at
around the same time that made the suggestion as well. Then again, at that
point, Peter Deusberg was still making good criticism of an HIV/AIDS link,
too. Since then, Deusberg's turned into more than a bit of a crank on
the topic of "HIV doesn't cause AIDS," since most of the legit beefs he
had with the theory have been addressed, but he discovered that his odd
idees fixe got him quite the following in parts of the HIV+ community.
(Y'see, if HIV doesn't cause AIDS, then you don't have to take your
expensive and toxic antivirals. Moreover, you're only taking them
because of a Big Gummint Conspiracy.)
Since then, though, a lot more AIDS viruses have been sequenced, and
it's pretty clear that this chimp virus is closer to HIV than the
green monkey virus is. Also, they've recovered some material from sera
collected in Africa in 1959 that are pretty solidly HIV sequences,
pushing the clock back to the point when even the Black Helicopter
Crowd didn't have access to DNA techniques for making Evil Bugs.
Not that this stops the alt.conspiracy mill for a moment, mind you.
>If the article was correct, and we'll never know, it truly illustrates
>the principle that no good deed goes unpunished. If Jonas Salk were
>alive today, I'd kick his ass.
Tell you what, you can still kick his ass, and the asses of the FDA folks
who fucked up on making sure that Cutter Labs was doing the vetting on
the polio vaccines correctly. I forget how many folks got a batch of the
Salk vaccine with just plain polio in it rather than weakened-enough-not-to-
be-infective polio, but it was enough to get three or four people kicked
out of the FDA and Cutter Labs shut down outright once the lawyers were
done trotting out the Crippled And Dead Chilluns. Man, talk about your
lawyer wet dream of a case.
-Peter
scr...@cyberpass.net
For those of you with the propeller-driven headgear collection from
Geeks'R'Us, have a look at www.nature.com for the skinny on the new
results, and a posting of the paper on isolating HIV from '59.
The sample was collected in Kinshasa. Mebbe if we just nuked Kinshasa,
we'd all be better off - I seem to remember Kinshasa as an important
Ebola World Tour launch point, don't I?
Louise R. Howard
Stephen Wells <sa...@deathtospam.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> One thing you can say for HIV- in a couple of decades, the whole
>'overpopulation in the Third World' argument is going to look like a bad
>historical joke. Just because AIDS kills people in slow motion doesn't
>mean that it isn't going to thin out the population on a grand scale.
I doubt it. People die in droves in 3rd World countries as
a matter of habit. And they just make more and more and more.
I cannot imagine any disease short of Smallpox that
can make a major dent in the poverty->babies->more poverty cycle
and they just wiped that one.
Keep the Faith,
Louise
Stephen Wells
(Louise R. Howard) wrote:
Have you seen the figures on infection rates in central Africa?
Seriously, this is population-reducing stuff.
ObT: Shepley the Aids Saint from Gibson's 'Virtual Light'. Though I
think 'Idoru' is better.
Lee Melton
I don't know why, but when the AIDS virus first became prevalent, I wondered
how it had come into being. The genetic engineered germ warfare agent, the
man buggering ape theory just didn't ring true. It occurred to the around
the time of HIV and AIDS being discovered, we were also researching organ
transplants. Now if we can learn to suppress the immune system (to prevent
the organ being rejected), why can't nature find a way...
Just my thought.
ObT: There used to be a slimming dietary supplement in the UK called
Ayds...just thought the association of being HIV+ and slimming was a little
close to the mark...I can just imagine the adverts.
"I'm <insert slimming celebrity's name>, and since I've had AIDS, I lost 56
pounds, in just over two months."
Kind of tough crash diet, but hey, the gaunt look was so fashionable, it
might catch on.
Lee
Citizen Ted
(Stephen Wells) wrote:
> Have you seen the figures on infection rates in central Africa?
>Seriously, this is population-reducing stuff.
Puh-lease. Do you think any retrovirus is going to catch up
with the negroid libido?
Those people are going to continue exploding in population
until Mother Theresa rises from the grave and admonishes them to put a
goddamn rubber on their anteater-dicks. Even then, I doubt those
backward shines will figure out how to use the damn things.
Let's face it: five centuries of colonial technology and
industrial charity have failed to pull Africa out of the sewer. It's
time we wrote off our losses and isolated the whole continent with
strings of F/A aircraft and ocean-going battle groups.
If anybody pokes their head out of their filthy hovel, we'll
blow it off with some high-velocity rifle rounds. In time, some
scumbag like Kaddafi will unite the continent under one moronic flag,
whereupon we'll have no political problems just gassing the whole
fucking mess from border to border.
Shit, man, that'd be a tax burden I'd gladly support!
- TR
"Visualize voluntary human extinction!"
- The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
http://www.vhemt.org
Lenore Levine
> Puh-lease. Do you think any retrovirus is going to catch up
>with the negroid libido?
Snark! Have you ever slept with any?
Based on my limited experience, the _German_ libido is a
lot more like it. Krauts do have their inhibitions, but
they tend to be about money, not sex.
Lenore Levine
ObTasty: Actually, my ex was so cheap he wouldn't pay for
toilet paper. So I bought the Charmin, and he used old
newspapers to cut his own.
--
We're almost equals
I purr to show I love you
Want to smell my butt?
-- from _Cat Haiku_
Io
>
> ObTasty: Actually, my ex was so cheap he wouldn't pay for
> toilet paper. So I bought the Charmin, and he used old
> newspapers to cut his own.
Er- You gotta be shitting me, Lenore!
Io- had to do it...
Stephen Wells
Ted) wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:52:39 +0000, sa...@deathtospam.cam.ac.uk
> (Stephen Wells) wrote:
>
>
> > Have you seen the figures on infection rates in central Africa?
> >Seriously, this is population-reducing stuff.
>
> Puh-lease. Do you think any retrovirus is going to catch up
> with the negroid libido?
>
[snip Conradian 'exterminate all the brutes!']
I think HIV is in with a good chance of hitting the big-time as a
demographic modifier. The perspective from the US (falling AIDS death
rate, multidrug therapy etc.) does not fit the African situation (half the
population dying of Slim).
I'm optimistic about HIV as an agent of Uncle Chuck without any need
for expensive and messy active genocide programs.
William Hamblen
: Tell you what, you can still kick his ass, and the asses of the FDA folks
: who fucked up on making sure that Cutter Labs was doing the vetting on
: the polio vaccines correctly. I forget how many folks got a batch of the
: Salk vaccine with just plain polio in it rather than weakened-enough-not-to-
: be-infective polio, but it was enough to get three or four people kicked
: out of the FDA and Cutter Labs shut down outright once the lawyers were
: done trotting out the Crippled And Dead Chilluns. Man, talk about your
: lawyer wet dream of a case.
Salk vaccine (shot in the arm variety - at least when I got it) is killed
virus. Sabin vaccine (little sugar cube - at least when I got - yeppers,
both) is weakened virus. I don't know if Dr. Sabin's ass is still above
ground to be kicked or not. Some people whose immune systems aren't up
to snuff get polio from the Sabin vaccine anyway.
Io
> of India, and we'll end the tour with some good old bareback assfucking in
> Thailand. Complimentary 3TC/Crixivan cocktails will be served on the plane.
>
> - The Carrot
Just the plane?!?! What about those cool overland Mercedes Tour
Trucks??
Camping, A.T. style...
Io
The Carrot
sa...@deathtospam.cam.ac.uk says...
> I think HIV is in with a good chance of hitting the big-time as a
>demographic modifier. The perspective from the US (falling AIDS death
>rate, multidrug therapy etc.) does not fit the African situation (half the
>population dying of Slim).
Is that really the case? From what I've read (and granted, I'm not a great
intellectual) I thought that one of the biggest problems with estimating AIDS
rates in Africa was a lack of testing for HIV; sure, the coons are dropping
like flies, but then again they've ALWAYS been dropping like flies. It seems
to me that estimating HIV infection rates by sampling whores in Zaire and the
truckdrivers who fuck them isn't going to give you accurate figures about the
infection rate in the general population. If someone knows otherwise and can
point me in the right direction, please let me know as I'd love to be
proven wrong on this matter; hope springs eternal.
I'd love to see a massive depopulation of Africa and parts East for a number
of reasons, chiefly because I believe it would be good for the environment if
there weren't throngs of starving wogs eating endangered species while
chopping down every tree in sight.
It'd also make for some way cool footage on CNN.
ItSankGetOverIt
highest AIDS rate per capita on the entire continent (and hence, the
world). The unusually high rate of infection has been traced to a common
witch-doctor practice of injecting (with genuine Western hospital
syringes-thought to be "magic" I suppose) blood from green monkeys into
mens genitals in order to enhance sexual potency. Green monkeys are known
to be a host organism of HIV.
I guess we can chalk up this particular AIDS cluster to Uncle Chuck and
his frequest visits to Satan's Wildlife Safari and Theme Park.
Diese Tür muß geschlossen bleiben!
Dr. Binky
(Stephen Wells) wrote:
>In article <36bb1803...@news.nas.com>, ham...@omit.nas.com (Citizen
>Ted) wrote:
>
> [snip Conradian 'exterminate all the brutes!']
>
> I think HIV is in with a good chance of hitting the big-time as a
>demographic modifier. The perspective from the US (falling AIDS death
>rate, multidrug therapy etc.) does not fit the African situation (half the
>population dying of Slim).
I read recently that the estimated world population for 2050 had
actually been reduced by 400 million to make up for AIDS deaths.
Obt: 400 million. At least someone out there's having sex...
--
Dr Binky Doctor...@hotmail.com
'Higher beings from outer space may not want to tell us
the secrets of life, because we're not ready.
But maybe they'll change their tune after a
little torture.'
-Jack Handey
book...@my-dejanews.com
alr...@ix.netcom.com(Alraune) wrote:
> I read a seemingly plausible article years ago in (I think) Rolling
> Stone which proposed that HIV was spread from primates to himans when
> the polio vaccine was disseminated in Africa in the late Fifties. The
> weakened polio virus was cultured in the blood of the green monkey,
> rather than that of humans. This was because it was readily available
> and worthless otherwise (except to the monkeys), not just because the
> scientists thought it a good joke. The monkeys were also carrying HIV,
> which was passed along to the inoculated chillun.
That's a crock of shit. Some nigerian butt-fucked a chimp 50 or a 100 years
ago, that's how it all got started. Haven't you heard of the NAMCLA (North-
African Man-Chimp Love Association)?
bOokBOy
Ob.T.
Coming out of the rest room at work the other day, after taking a nice long
leak induced by a 7-11 "Super Big Gulp" I began walking down the stairs back
to my office when all of a sudden, another couple of ml of the golden stuff
starts dribbling down my leg. Went all the way down to my right shoe since I
was wearing boxers and baggy pants. Must of forgotten to shake, either that
or I need a new prostrate.
Steve Daniels
on Mon, 08 Feb 1999 06:53:55 GMT, book...@my-dejanews.com said:
>Must of forgotten to shake, either that
>or I need a new prostrate.
And that gesture of humility would have done what?
--
Love me . . .
love my dog.
PsYcHo
>I have reviewed the surveillance tapes, and have discovered that
>on Mon, 08 Feb 1999 06:53:55 GMT, book...@my-dejanews.com said:
>
>>Must of forgotten to shake, either that
>>or I need a new prostrate.
Remember,if it's more than 3 shakes it's a wank
PsYcHo
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>
> How to turn $6 into $6,000!
>
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>
<snip>
> #6) Jeff Wheaton 201 Woodhampton Drive, White Plains, NY 10603
>
Heh! This one actually used his real name and e-mail address.
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