Hero McVeigh to be Cannonized Saint Timothy in 14 hours...
GRay
breaths...
Bastards.
--
GRay-
Take out the trash for mail.
"I'm just an ignorant gin-swilling hag .." mellee, ADB, 5-20-2001
Dan Drake
wrote:
>And the Supreme Court has denied a request to videotape his last
>breaths...
Bastards indeed. At least I'm gonna get my first hit in the AT dead
pool, so fuck the lot of you and PLEASE, no fucking whining about how
McVeigh should have been disqualified as a choice and all that. The
rules are clear; death reported on AP newswire. Anyone who didn't
pick him, IMHFO, is a twat.
ObT: Nuts, my disgusting adopted stray tomcat who some of you may
remember, is going strong. The day before yesterday, his catch
included a mouse (eaten with obvious relish), a house finch (eaten), a
large garter snake (rescued and released by me) and a large toad
(played with and eventually killed, but not even nibbled at - smart
cat!).
--
Dan Drake
Nathan Nagel
did you find him sitting there lazily licking it with a satisfied yet
dazed expression on his little cat face? now *that* would be a smart
cat.
nate
Paul Atreides
<1ov7it8pisdsn4eau...@4ax.com>:
>On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:45:32 -0400, GRay <"gray"@fuck
>you.trash.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>And the Supreme Court has denied a request to videotape his
>>last breaths...
>
>Bastards indeed. At least I'm gonna get my first hit in the AT
>dead pool, so fuck the lot of you and PLEASE, no fucking whining
>about how McVeigh should have been disqualified as a choice and
>all that. The rules are clear; death reported on AP newswire.
>Anyone who didn't pick him, IMHFO, is a twat.
Since it looks like my personal wet dream of a militia strike to
free McVeigh and spirit him off to North Carolina where he can hide
out with Eric Rudolph ain't gonna happen, here's the predicted
winners for tommorow:
1) Dave Hall, who by the way, was the only person to pick McVeigh
before he gave up his appeals. So, Dave gets props for that.
2) Catherine Elkins
3) Dan Drake
4) Squid
5) C-Lo
It looks like the only other death row inmate, Mumia Abu Jamal is
going to take every appeal he can get, so I don't think he'll
feature. Unless Jello Biafra freaks out and pops a cap in his ass.
--
Paul Atreides
atre...@sover.net
http://www.sover.net/~atreides/atdp2001/
hogsbreath
"Paul Atreides" <atre...@sover.net> wrote in message
news:90BCDE1A4atr...@209.155.56.91...
> Since it looks like my personal wet dream of a militia strike to
> free McVeigh and spirit him off to North Carolina where he can hide
Your Supreme Royal Highness Paul:
Don't be too sure that the militialoons aren't planning
something kooky just yet! Here's a URL that was posted
on a "patriot" webring. It seems after readin it that there are
several looneys in Michigan who want to join McVeigh's
magic needle party at a later date: www.pbn.4mg.com
Only in Amerika eh? I just freakin love it.
xoxo on the AT Papal Ring.
Nanook of the North
"hogsbreath" says...
>Don't be too sure that the militialoons aren't planning
>something kooky just yet! Here's a URL that was posted
>on a "patriot" webring. It seems after readin it that there are
>several looneys in Michigan who want to join McVeigh's
>magic needle party at a later date: www.pbn.4mg.com
>
>Only in Amerika eh? I just freakin love it.
The 'Hillary's Markings' page is a good example. What a bunch of fuckin' loons.
Repeating some of the 'NASA Faked Moon Landing Pictures' shit just confirms it.
Why the fuck would a lunar module weighing a few thousand pounds need millions
of pounds of thrust to land on a relatively-low-gravity body? Dumbshits.
ObT: Weird dream last night where I was on a business trip to Vegas, had my
3-year-old with me, and was trying to find out how to score some kinky sex
without facing an abandonment charge for the sprog. Must be spring cleaning
time in my subconscious....
Robert
Paul Atreides
<n34V6.3476$Il5.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>:
>
>Don't be too sure that the militialoons aren't planning
>something kooky just yet! Here's a URL that was posted
>on a "patriot" webring. It seems after readin it that there are
>several looneys in Michigan who want to join McVeigh's
>magic needle party at a later date: www.pbn.4mg.com
>
>Only in Amerika eh? I just freakin love it.
Maybe a philosophy similar to that of Arab terrorists will arise in the US: if
you die while striking a blow against The Beast you get a harem full of chix
in the afterlife. Harness some of that angry, narrow-eyed teenage redneck rage
that the media has been so breathless about.
ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?" has been a game that my co-workers and I have
been playing recently. You have a hydrogen bomb, a big one in a Ryder truck
and the nutty teenage terrorists to plant the thing and die in the blast. Kind
of like that Tom Clancy novel I can never remember the title of. Where would
you nuke? I orginally went for the pathetically unorginal "Washington DC
during the State of the Union address." It was pointed out that we'd just
elect 535 more people and come back stronger than ever. So, I changed mine to
"Los Angeles, during the Oscars." Or Emmys, or certainly the Grammys. Another
colleague wanted Disney World, during peak tourist season A third wanted to be
Lex Luthor and plant it in the San Andreas Fault. So, where would YOU nuke to
strike the greatest blow against the US?
--
Paul Atreides
atre...@sover.net
ATDP 2001: http://www.sover.net/~atreides/atdp2001/
Nanook of the North
>ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?" has been a game that my co-workers and I have
>been playing recently. You have a hydrogen bomb, a big one in a Ryder truck
>and the nutty teenage terrorists to plant the thing and die in the blast. Kind
>of like that Tom Clancy novel I can never remember the title of. Where would
>you nuke? I orginally went for the pathetically unorginal "Washington DC
>during the State of the Union address." It was pointed out that we'd just
>elect 535 more people and come back stronger than ever. So, I changed mine to
>"Los Angeles, during the Oscars." Or Emmys, or certainly the Grammys. Another
>colleague wanted Disney World, during peak tourist season A third wanted to be
>Lex Luthor and plant it in the San Andreas Fault. So, where would YOU nuke to
>strike the greatest blow against the US?
Hmmmmm. Madison Avenue strikes me as a good place to start, but the fact that
(assuming the bomb was big enough) all of Manhattan would be wiped suggests that
they wouldn't appreciate the choice of target (coulda been NYSE, any number of
other things). It'd have to be somewhere that many Americans would cheer the
bombing of.
So I'd say right smack in the middle of the Bay Bridge, between SF and Oakland.
Disneyworld would certainly be my second choice; but only *after* I've taken the
kids there once. Yeah, I'm a hypocrite, so sue me.
ObT: Having had the foresight to do such a thing in OK City at about 7 am CDT
today....
Robert
Nathan Nagel
I like the Emmys, also Disney world, just because I don't really have
anything against the US, just all the stupid people that live here.
Ideally you'd want to hit an area with lots of stupid people but a low
concentration of people you'd actually want to hang out with,
post-apocalypse.
I'm trying to think of something better than Disney World, and I just
can't. Maybe Talladega or Daytona on race day ? (I mean the Daytona
500, not the 24 Hours of Daytona which is a respectable event.) I'd
like to take out the K-Mart/Home Depot strip mall near my house too,
every time I have to drive through that parking lot my pulse rate goes
way up before I even get in the store because of all the fucking
mouthbreathing morons that seem to permanently inhabit the place. but I
think a nuke would probably be overkill, a few tactical high explosives
should do the trick.
I don't know, where to large quantities of inbred morons tend to
congregate? Strike there. Also anywhere where there's lots of
telemarketing firms. The country will be better off for it.
nate
(not feeling very charitable today, already got my fill of stupid people
and it's barely afternoon)
aemilia
up compelled to spew forth:
>So, where would YOU nuke to strike the greatest blow against the US?
NORAD (although I think it is even impenetrable to nuclear weaponry)
aemilia
Nathan Nagel
>
> >I don't know, where to large quantities of inbred morons tend to
> >congregate? Strike there. Also anywhere where there's lots of
> >telemarketing firms. The country will be better off for it.
>
> to do significant damage to the inbred population.
>
Save Appalachia, i've got a soft spot for the area - beautiful country
and the GF's dad grew up there, so she's still got family there (how she
ended up half Japanese is another story for another time) and besides,
*my* family is in western PA and, if the winds turned around backwards,
would probably get clobbered by fallout. And as you say, there's not
enough people there to make it worthwhile.
> I'm not really familiar with inbred areas. I live in New England,
> which is so dense, population-wise, that inbreeding is highly
> unlikely.
>
> I'd also say Africa (stop begging us for food when you spend money on
> weapons -- re: Ethiopia vs. Ertitrea <sp?>), but apparently the AIDS
> crisis is taking care of any internal problems in Africa.
>
> I'm not of the generation that has any fear of communism, so there
> goes bombing North Korea, Vietnam, or any of the other good locales of
> Uncle Karl's Sun 'n' Fun Starvation Game.
>
> I realize I'm out of the U.S. now.
>
> Could always go like Fight Club and bomb the hell out of Wilmington,
> Delaware. (Why are credit card companies concentrated there???)
>
Now there's a smashing idea. I could use a little help right now...
nate
> -- j.a.l.
>
> ObT: That feeling like, "Am I going to vomit? Am I going to vomit?"
> Sprog #1 is sick, and Sprog #2 is probably next. I'm there already.
> Fuck.
>
> Jessica Lavarnway
> j...@lavarnway.mv.com
> http://www.mv.com/ipusers/lavarnway/jal/
> He is YOUR god, they are YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell.
Nanook of the North
>> ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?" has been a game that my co-workers and I have
>can't. Maybe Talladega or Daytona on race day ? (I mean the Daytona
>500, not the 24 Hours of Daytona which is a respectable event.) I'd
>like to take out the K-Mart/Home Depot strip mall near my house too,
>every time I have to drive through that parking lot my pulse rate goes
>way up before I even get in the store because of all the fucking
>mouthbreathing morons that seem to permanently inhabit the place. but I
>think a nuke would probably be overkill, a few tactical high explosives
>should do the trick.
I like the Daytona 500. Wal-Mart HQ would be good, too, now that I think of it.
>
>I don't know, where to large quantities of inbred morons tend to
>congregate? Strike there. Also anywhere where there's lots of
>telemarketing firms. The country will be better off for it.
Uhhh, 'lots of telemarketing firms' would likely be Montreal, esp. if you mean
the boiler-room ripoff artists. Of major Canadian cities, I wouldn't wanna nuke
Montreal. Toronto, maybe. Vancouver, if you could do a neutron bomb, sure.
If you want your K-Mart/Home Depot strip mall taken out, I suggest you talk to
the people at www.earthliberationfront.org.
ObT: The conversation I got into with the autist after watching an Oz program
about man-eating crocs before Saturday night's Stanley Cup Final game 7. The
kid's got serious potential, I tell ya.
Robert
--
From the messy desk of RobNorth 62°27'N 114°22'W (give or take)
I'm of the opinion that the majority of people in this country would
happily ignore Jews being herded into gas chambers as long as the TV
cable wasn't interrupted. - Ken Strayhorn
michael thompson
Glubdamned Promise Keepers convention. 50 or 60 thousand reborn
fundamentalists. The only bad part would be them thinking that it was
just Jeezus come to take them home. Braise the Lard!
hogsbreath
> ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?" has been a game that my co-workers and I have
> been playing recently. You have a hydrogen bomb, a big one in a Ryder
truck
> and the nutty teenage terrorists to plant the thing and die in the blast.
Kind
> of like that Tom Clancy novel I can never remember the title of.
Was just reading on www.drudgereport.com about McVeigh's last
statements before meeting The Needle. One piece said, I quote:
-------------
Instead of making an oral statement, McVeigh, 33, issued a copy of the 1875
poem "Invictus," which concludes with the lines: "I am the master of my
fate; I am the captain of my soul."
-------------
Curious me, who bombed out of English Literature in
college, decided to do a search for sites with the word
"Invictus" on google.com
You'd have think I opened a door to Timmy's now-rotting
bean. Be sure to check out the downloadable games with that
name. Paul, your OBT above has been confirmed.
Matt Olson
I don't *think* anyone's tested Cheyenne Mountain against nukes.
How 'bout the greater Seattle area? IMHFO, North Merkin society
would collapse completely within 72 hours if the yupper classes
were deprived of Microsoft and Starbucks.
ObT: I thought I'd gotten the plug out of it last night in the
shower, but the pimple on my chin's all crusty and oozing pus.
Scab made for a light, tasty afternoon snack, though.
ObGuns: Would you need slugs in a shotgun to penetrate drywall,
or would a sufficiently heavy load of buckshot do?
Cheers,
Matt
--
Razors pain you / Rivers are damp / Acids stain you / And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful / Nooses give / Gas smells awful / You might as well live.
-- Dorothy Parker, "Resume"
K.J. Seefried
wrote:
If you mean the Cheyanne Mountain facility, a direct hit will still
take it out. I suspect driving a hydrogen bomb filled truck up to the
gate would qualify as direct, assuming you could get within miles of
the place (hint: you probably couldn't).
Since NORAD is only marginally relevant to national defense now that
the cold war is over, I doubt that this would qualify as a "greatest
blow". We're an awful lot more concerned about economic damage these
days.
?
>Since NORAD is only marginally relevant to national defense now that
>the cold war is over, I doubt that this would qualify as a "greatest
>blow". We're an awful lot more concerned about economic damage these
>days.
Er the cold war aint over, just swept under the carpet.
You remember all those treaties to get rid of nukes?
Guess what the nukes are still there.
ObT: And the russian ones aint rotting in silos like clancy loves to write.
--
Chris Dukes
"... this is also the dawn of a new error." -- Shrubya's inaugural speech
FromTheDes...@stukafox.com
> Kind of like that Tom Clancy novel I can never remember the title of.
"The Sum Of All Fears"
> Where would you nuke?
1) EMP burst directly over NYC at opening of market on April 14.
2) Whatever that town is in West Virginia where all electronic
transactions are cleared, on a Friday before Christmas.
4) Elk Grove, California
5) Oakland, CA, provided there was a strong onshore flow.
6) The school that taught me how to count.
> Lex Luthor and plant it in the San Andreas Fault.
Would accomplish exactly squat.
StukaFox
--
The most important question of 2001 will be 'Why aren't you fucking FURIOUS?'
Gerald Belton
<robn...@my-deja.com> wrote:
<what would you nuke?>
>I like the Daytona 500. Wal-Mart HQ would be good, too, now that I think of it.
Nukes are nice, very showy and all.
But I was told once that a determined terrorist organization could
bring the US to its knees using a dozen men armed with .22 rifles. It
may be bullshit, but I was told that taking out 10 to 12 key points in
the power transmission grid would cause blackouts over nearly all of
the continental U.S.
Gerald
--
http://www.beltonphoto.com
"...marvelous photos!" -- Debbie Gillaspie, Curator, Chicago Jazz Archive
Nanook of the North
ol...@csu304.cs.ualberta.ca says...
>How 'bout the greater Seattle area? IMHFO, North Merkin society
>would collapse completely within 72 hours if the yupper classes
>were deprived of Microsoft and Starbucks.
Another good thought. Well done.
>
>ObGuns: Would you need slugs in a shotgun to penetrate drywall,
>or would a sufficiently heavy load of buckshot do?
I don't have any personal experience in this area, but the various paramedics et
al. on this group have regularly told of buckshot penetrating drywall after
suicides. I suspect that if you didn't make the shot go through any intervening
targets (such as your skull), just about any decent-sized shot would go through
at least one layer of drywall, if not 2 or 3. Sorta depends on your
application, though, eh? Obviously, the heavier the shot, the more momentum
each projectile will have (assuming that the total weight of shot in shells is
roughly constant from slug to BB), as the v will be the same, but the m is
bigger.
Note that even a golf ball can penetrate pretty well at the right speed.
(Feature on CBC's National News last week on a Canajan who's the 5-time world
long-drive champion, regularly pegging 380 yds. with his 1-wood; he put a golf
ball through a piece of particle-board, and the damn thing still flew 150 yds.)
And I bet a 12-ga. slug weighs more than your average golf ball, and most
certainly goes a fuck of a lot faster, too.
ObT: Thinking of all the things Matt could be tempted to try based on his query,
and coming to the conclusion that there's not a single legal, non-injurious
purpose among them.
Robert
--
From the messy desk of RobNorth 62°27'N 114°22'W (give or take)
Look, tell you what, we'll eat her, if you feel a bit guilty about it
after, we can dig a grave and you can throw up into it.
- Monty Python's Flying Circus
Benjamin Jacoby
> How 'bout the greater Seattle area? IMHFO, North Merkin society
> would collapse completely within 72 hours if the yupper classes
> were deprived of Microsoft and Starbucks.
Yes, Microsoft is good. LA during Oscars is nice...in fact ANY
location in the people's republic (CA) would consititute a public
service to the Yew Ess.
Just call me selfish, but I'd choose to take out all that traffic
in the yuppie suburbs in the north end of my town. I figure
even if I somehow didn't get warned in advance like the ATF
in the Murrah bldg, it'd still be WORTH it just to clean out all
those SUVs with cell-phone talkin' drivers.
> ObGuns: Would you need slugs in a shotgun to penetrate drywall,
> or would a sufficiently heavy load of buckshot do?
Depends how far away you are. Note that we did a test for our
gun classes with a SOLID wood door and every caliber went completely
through it! (Fired from about 10 feet) The shotgun (not even buckshot!)
really ripped a fine 2" or 3" hole in the door and splintered it a lot!
For drywall, pretty much assume that there are no walls there at all
as far as firearms of ANY kind are concerned. Remember this as far
as your neighbors, kids and wife are concerned when "protecting"
your home.
Bill
> Er the cold war aint over, just swept under the carpet.
> You remember all those treaties to get rid of nukes?
> Guess what the nukes are still there.
> ObT: And the russian ones aint rotting in silos like clancy loves to write.
Billy Bob Clinton told the great American unwashed a few years ago that there
were no Russian missiles targeting the US anymore. Well it seems that those
systems have a cute little feature. If one is launched with out a target, it simply
reacquires the last previous target that was in its memory.
Michael Weber
: ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?" has been a game that my co-workers and I have
: been playing recently. You have a hydrogen bomb, a big one in a Ryder truck
: and the nutty teenage terrorists to plant the thing and die in the blast.
DC would be my first choice, but they'd just come back, so it would have
to be somewhere in California. Unfortunately, picking ONE spot there would
be a toughie...
Oh yeah, one of the useless NE states, like MA or NH would do too.
Matt Olson
> ObT: Thinking of all the things Matt could be tempted to try
> based on his query, and coming to the conclusion that there's
> not a single legal, non-injurious purpose among them.
Not entirely true; I've been sorely tempted to do a master's
thesis on "Efficient simulation of rigid-body penetration",
which would satisfy my desires to play video games (gotta
research the existing work in the field, doncha know) AND
shoot things. Particularly satisfying would be getting a
grant to shoot plate-glass windows with automatic weapons.
But that wasn't what I had in mind, of course.
Cheers,
Matt
--
"Do you have a point, or are you saving it for a special occasion?"
-- David P. Murphy being irritable in the scary devil monastery
K.J. Seefried
wrote:
>
>Er the cold war aint over, just swept under the carpet.
Er yes it is, at least in every sense that the Walter Lippman-coined
term "cold war" indicated.
Why is this? Because the old "cold war", by definition, extends the
principle of a superpower nuclear facedown to include economic,
ideological and political warfare with the goal of world domination
for one or the other ideology without resorting to actual conflict.
I doubt anyone could harbor the fallacy that Russia poses a serious
economic threat to the US for the foreseeable future, or that the
Russians are still a superpower. And just try and sell Communism as a
desirable political system these days. As far as world domination,
the Russians have de facto given up attempting to control much of
their own country, much less trying to control the world.
Kleptocracies have a very difficult time projecting power beyond their
borders.
Sorry...every credible observer rightly called the US-Soviet(Russian),
Truman-era born "cold war" dead a decade ago.
>You remember all those treaties to get rid of nukes?
Vividly. Your point? Oh, nevermind...
>Guess what the nukes are still there.
No shit.
The fact that the Russians (and other former Soviet satellites) are
nuclear capable does not mean that the superpower-versus-superpower
"cold war" in any real sense exists any more. Period. Are they a
threat? Sure, in the same sense that every other nuclear-capable
country is a potential threat. This is not the same thing as a "cold
war"; we are not in a cold war with Pakistan, for example. Unlike the
"cold war" era, economics now play the central role in "behavior
modification" between the US and Russia, not nukes.
If you've really got a hard-on to find someone to declare a "cold war"
on, look to the Chinese. Of course, with a slim nuclear delivery
capability and without any blue-water navy to speak of, it's pretty
tough to envision a threat scenario equivalent to the old Soviet
machine. In any case, here again economics is the pivotal policy
effecting the two countries behaviors, rhetoric aside.
>ObT: And the russian ones aint rotting in silos like clancy loves to write.
Evidence? Oh, nevermind...
Ed Clarke
>x-no-archive: yes
>Hilton Head, South Carolina. The gulf stream would contaminate the entire
>Eastern Seaboard with fallout.
>And, also, you know, it would kill all the golfers.
Hoover dam with a small man carried fusion device. The smaller ones
described on that H bomb site are less than 150 pounds. Just drop it
over the edge of the dam on the water side. You'd remove that big
lake and contaminate the water supply for much of the southwest US.
That'd start a water war between Arizona and California at least, not
to mention Nevada and Vegas.
If you're going for smaller weapons, simply take out the aquaducts going
to LA with a small nuke. Use 25kg bags of cobalt chloride as a tamper
to make life interesting for people trying to restore water to the city
before they all die of thirst.
Phelps
Atreides) wrote:
> ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?" has been a game that my co-workers and I have
> been playing recently. You have a hydrogen bomb, a big one in a Ryder truck
> and the nutty teenage terrorists to plant the thing and die in the blast.
> Kind of like that Tom Clancy novel I can never remember the title of. Where
> would you nuke?
Hong Kong. It's a force multiplier. Paint it red white and blue, get a
novelty horn that plays Yankee Doodle Dandy, and drive it right up to a live
worldwide broadcast. Beijing would, to quote the sainted General Turgison, "go
absolutely ape", and take out most of the western seaboard. Even if all their
long range missiles shit the bed, they could probably still get Taiwan, Japan
and Haiwaii. We would launch about 30% of our capacity at China, turning
eastern Asia into one big sheet of glass. If we are lucky, India would launch
on Pakistan and China both, Pakistan would retaliate on India, and Israel would
nuke anyone who's ever looked at them cross-eyed. Russia is a toss up -- with
luck, some Colonel somewhere would launch and things would get real interesting
here.
There would be thousands of megatons detonated, fallout everywhere (the chink
and other Asian bombs would be very dirty, I'm sure) and with luck, the networks
would get it all on tape, and the Internet would reroute to get all of the
coverage onto alt.tasteless. I mean, we ATers don't know what to do with dozens
of nukes. We just need to get the pros like the Red Chinese and NORAD handle it
for us.
obT: Getting treated for radiation poisoning by Nurzy
Phelps
--
"I express many absurd opinions. But I am not the first man to do
it; American freedom consists largely in talking nonsense."
-- Edgar Watson Howe, 1926
Citizen Ted
>ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?"
I thought about this one for some time, and I cannot decide
between my two fave targets:
1) Orlando, Florida, during the busiest tourism day. Sadly,
this would probably mean the vaporization of thousands of auslanders
who have no blame in the whole thing, but it would be worth it to
watch as hundreds of thousands of flabby, boisterous, noisy dickthrobs
and their squalling, obnoxious, pampered brats sublimate instantly
from meatbags to carbon particles.
2) Los Angeles, California, any old time - I don't care. The
very thought of all those overstuffed industry people, redundant
business executives, no-account Messican cutthroats, mouthy negroid
gang-bangers, filthy street losers, primped gold diggers and
empty-headed go-getters all disappearing in one artful masterstroke is
enough to make me spooge my BVD's. Let's face it - we'd have nothing
to lose but a few decent deepwater docks and a handy highway route to
San Diego.
- TR
- painstakingly leeching deuterium from seawater.
Brendan Keith
>
> Hilton Head, South Carolina. The gulf stream would contaminate the entire
> Eastern Seaboard with fallout.
>
Oh, good choice. That's where my wife's lover lives.
--
Brendan Keith
Dave/Kristin Hall
: If you're going for smaller weapons, simply take out the aquaducts going
: to LA with a small nuke. Use 25kg bags of cobalt chloride as a tamper
Probably wouldn't do much. Keep in mind a couple things:
1) LA keeps some reservoirs in the LA basin to allow for aquaduct "problesm"
2) The aquaduct has been hit many times in the past - it's always up within
a day or two. The last I recall was in the mid 80's when the accumulated
slippage of a fault line snapped the pipe. 'Twere back up in something like
24 hours. Mind you, a nuke would do much more damage, but my point is that
LA gets *right on* that problem. If replacing 10's of feet takes a mere
day, I can't imagine that replacing a mile would take more than a couple
months - enough to cause everyone some real heartache, but I doubt enough to
cause anyone to die/move.
3) LA has multiple aquaducts - which one are you going to hit?
My personal choice for location to hit? Hmmmm.... I might go with LA. It
would do justice to the place and it would significanly impact the economy
of the US. But I'd catch fallout. Bad.
Hmmmm....
The Glen Canyon Dam (top of the Colorado chain in the event I got the wrong
dam!) would be nice. 'Twould likely cause a chain reaction failure of all
the Colorado river damns. This would take out a huge chunk of the West's
power generation capability (thus resulting in the long term loss of
potentially millions of jobs in California, thus resulting in all those
assholes moving out of the LA basin for other parts) and I wouldn't have
to personally watch fallout rain from the sky.
Nahhhhh......
I've got it: Mecca. Let the ragheads think the doilyheads did it and watch
the fireworks from a distance. Oh, what a show indeed!
--
David Hall
Ridgecrest Municipal Paintball Field?
- http://www.ridgenet.net/~thehalls/Field
Jamie Debra Weisman
> On 11 Jun 2001 15:32:49 GMT, atre...@sover.net (Paul Atreides) woke
> up compelled to spew forth:
>
> >So, where would YOU nuke to strike the greatest blow against the US?
>
The annual meeting of the Christian Coalition. What the hell, the
bastards would all smile blissfully in their last milliseconds, thinking
they were being raptured.
Stupid fucks.
Victor
"I shit on your filthy god, and I remind you that your impish prayers fall
on the deaf ears of a universe bereft of your silly anthropomorphic deity,
you fucking moron."
- Citizen Ted
Nathan Nagel
Eh, I'd go the other way around, and set up the Ay-rabs for nuking
Jerusalem. I've got lots of Arab friends and they are all uniformly
pleasant and friendly, except if you say something like "I've got to go,
i'm late for Hebrew class" - course you can't really blame them after
the Jews bugged out for about 2000 years, and then came back and
expected the place to be just like they left it.
nate
Bill
> 2) The aquaduct has been hit many times in the past - it's always up within
> a day or two. The last I recall was in the mid 80's when the accumulated
> slippage of a fault line snapped the pipe. 'Twere back up in something like
> 24 hours. Mind you, a nuke would do much more damage, but my point is that
> LA gets *right on* that problem. If replacing 10's of feet takes a mere
> day, I can't imagine that replacing a mile would take more than a couple
> months - enough to cause everyone some real heartache, but I doubt enough to
> cause anyone to die/move.
Yeah they would have to cut down on watering the median strips on every
other day. Even when LA is claiming their worst drough in years they are
unwilling
to stop watering the median strips?
numb...@nowhere.com
ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?"
Lemme see now.
First off, I'd start with Ottawa. get rid of all the
parasites in the House of Commons and
all their hangers-on in the Senate. The PM, who is
about to retire, has just brought
forward a bill to raise the salaries of
MP's and the PM by a whopping
42%. When was the last
time any working schmoes like me
could arbitrarily award themselves such
a raise? Bleh. Nothing like a good
house-cleaning (pun intended) to
set things right, eh? There's lots of
glass in downtown Ottawa. Why not
turn it into something really useful,
like tritium-based, cobalt-fired fine crystal?
I'd try to target just Ottawa and Hull.
Leave outlying Kanata alone. It's too important
to Canada's emerging IT/high-tech sector.
Next, Quebec City. Turn the bleatings and
whinings of those froggy, separatist bastards
into just so much hot, empty vapour (which is
what it is to begin with, anyway). "Put another
Froggie in the crematorium, all you get from
nuking Frogs is ashes, ashes" (sung to the
tune of "Put another nickel in the nickelodeon...")
Finally, I'd nuke Vancouver, nice as it is.
It's become home to a bunch of loopy
leftist NDP'ers. (NDP = New Democratic
Party, very very socialist and pink.) They'd go
from pink to blood red on the inside, charred
black on the outside. Like a good piece of
Cajun-flavoured salmon steak.
On my list of subsidiary targets would be
some of the Indian reserves. Oh, not getting
enough money from John Q. Taxpayer, eh?
We'll fix that. Here, bend over. I've got
a nice 10-megaton cobalt-tipped suppository
that will cure your alcohol-besotted
distemper. Permanently. Don't worry,
I'll make sure I don't tear any inflamed,
syphilitic haemorrhoids in the process. As
an added bonus, I'll add a smallpox lube
to the suppository.
(How do you get fifty Indians into a telephone
booth? Tell 'em there's a two-four of
Labatt's Blue inside!)
I know Western Canadians like Nanook and Matt Olson
would just love to blow away Hogtown (aka Toronto, Trahna,
The Big Smoke). But I'd rather they didn't, because
I'd prefer to stay upwind of any fallout, thanks
very much.
If I couldn't find suitable launch platforms, (eg.
Inter-Provincial Ballistic Missiles) I'd send in squadrons
of CF-105 Arrows to do the job.
ObT: Being unable to come up with a suitable
ObT.
Nearwidow
"Citizen Ted" <enoi...@omit.home.com> wrote in message
news:3b289dc6.12419802@news...
: On 11 Jun 2001 15:32:49 GMT, atre...@sover.net (Paul Atreides) wrote:
:
:
: >ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?"
:
: I thought about this one for some time, and I cannot decide
: between my two fave targets:
:
: 1) Orlando, Florida, during the busiest tourism day. Sadly,
: this would probably mean the vaporization of thousands of auslanders
: who have no blame in the whole thing, but it would be worth it to
: watch as hundreds of thousands of flabby, boisterous, noisy dickthrobs
: and their squalling, obnoxious, pampered brats sublimate instantly
: from meatbags to carbon particles.
It's ok, TR. I know of a great shelter at KSC and the SD has clearance or
at least a passcard. I'll pick up the chosen few here in the south--no
children of ATers, just the ATer, sorry MikeM--and we'll weather the storm
and come out to pick the pockets of the dying.
P
All I have to do is dream........
Nanook of the North
>> been playing recently. You have a hydrogen bomb, a big one in a Ryder truck
>>and the nutty teenage terrorists to plant the thing and die in the blast.
>> where would YOU nuke to strike the greatest blow against the US?
>
>
Hell, the SLC temple would probably survive a blast. Thing took 40 years to
build, and has one hell of a massive foundation. Most you'd probably have to do
is replace all the windows.
Besides, there's a pretty good succession system in place for the church; you'd
pretty much have to nuke during a general conference to try to wipe out the
leadership, and even then, there are usually a few on assignment elsewhere in
the world who could then take over.
Better, though, would be over Provo/Orem, where you'd nuke the worst of the Utah
Mormons. You know, the ones who figure that because their
great-great-great-grandpappy dragged a handcart and five wives across the Great
Plains, they're going to heaven and you're not.
Orson Scott Card, the well-known Mormon SF/fantasy writer, remembers being
appalled at the racism he found as a kid in Utah. His wife was born in CA, then
moved to Utah; she'd never heard the word 'nigger' in church until after the
move.
Yeah. Provo/Orem. SLC is actually the least-Mormon-ridden part of Utah, with
about 50% non-Mormons. You'd lose Novell, but there's worse things.
ObT: Haven't seen the news yet...I'll letcha know if anything comes up.
Robert
--
From the messy desk of RobNorth 62°27'N 114°22'W (give or take)
On the day when there was a full chamber-pot under the breakfast table I
decided to leave. The place was beginning to depress me.
- George Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier
Nanook of the North
>
> - TR
> - painstakingly leeching deuterium from seawater.
>
Of course, 'enough' might be 'enough to make your local hydro company sit up and
take notice'.... Just tell 'em you're running a marijuana growing op, and if
they're good fellas, they'll shut up after you give 'em a few doobs for the
road.
How much deuterium do you need for a good fusion device, anyhoo? A dozen kilos
or so? Lithium's useful, too, and cheap; in fact, aren't a lot of fusion
devices just old-fashioned fission bombs surrounded by lithium deuteride?
Just guessing here. Gotta do the old
http://google.com/search?q=fusion+bomb+how-to
Robert
--
From the messy desk of RobNorth 62°27'N 114°22'W (give or take)
Great tits are the largest members of the tit family, growing to around
14cms in length. They are similar in appearance to blue tits, but they
have a black cap instead of blue, and also have a large black stripe
running down the breast. - http://www.uksafari.com/greattits.htm
Nanook of the North
says...
>
>On 11 Jun 2001 15:32:49 GMT, atre...@sover.net (Paul Atreides) wrote:
>
>ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?"
>
>Lemme see now.
>If I couldn't find suitable launch platforms, (eg.
>Inter-Provincial Ballistic Missiles) I'd send in squadrons
>of CF-105 Arrows to do the job.
>
history, and Diefenbaker, under pressure from Eisenhower, trashed the program.
Fuckin' idiots. Canada's best aerospace engineers all moved to the States and
helped y'all put a dozen guys on the moon.
Fuck, that was a nice plane. You could probably build it again from the
original specs, beef up the avionics to 21st-century standards, and it'd still
be competitive as shit. Needs a fuck of a long runway, IIRC, but aside from
that.... Sigh.
ObT: The way Dief brownnosed Ike so bad; almost as bad as Mulroney and Reagan.
I prefer Canajan leaders who know how to tell the Yanks to fuck off, like
Trudeau. Trudeau may have been an asshole, but he didn't ever put his nose up
anyone else's.
Robert the nationalist
--
From the messy desk of RobNorth 62°27'N 114°22'W (give or take)
That's the one, single redeeming quality of this newsgroup.
It prepares you for your daughter's boyfriends.
- Jonathan Blaque, regarding alt.tasteless
aemilia
(Acetylcholinesterase Inhibitor) woke up compelled to spew forth:
>Some Latinos like to call it Aztlan, and think that the Mexicans are
>re-conquering the land the US ripped off from them in 1840, but the
>truth is as much the reverse -- LA is going to come to culturally
>dominate Mexico, spreading a culture which speaks Spanish but is as
>crass, brawling, seducing, and overpowering as AmeriKKKan English
>culture.
Antonio Villairagosa (who just lost the race for LA mayor last week)
was a member of Aztlan as a yoot in college. James Hahn (the winner in
the race) brought that out about a week before the race. He started
appealing to all the xenophobic republicans (the only remaining two
candidates were democrats, talk about a tough choice for the GOP) by
intimating that Villaraigosa advocated the military insurgence against
California and returning it to Mexico. I think it got whitey so scared
that the republicans actually got out and voted for a DEMOCRAT! Hahn
won 56-44%.
Never underestimate the power of racism folks....whitey likes their
maids and gardeners and nannies, but they don't want them to rise up
and hack them to death with their hoes and kitchen knives. Keep 'em
subjugated, I say.....
aemilia (who loves LA with all its tastelessness y yo hablo espanol
tambien, es un requisito en Los Angeles.)
Matt Olson
> (How do you get fifty Indians into a telephone
> booth? Tell 'em there's a two-four of
> Labatt's Blue inside!)
Heh.
> I know Western Canadians like Nanook and Matt Olson
> would just love to blow away Hogtown (aka Toronto, Trahna,
> The Big Smoke). But I'd rather they didn't, because
> I'd prefer to stay upwind of any fallout, thanks
> very much.
Fuck that; Calgary's higher on my target list than Tronna. Full
of fucking annoying people, it is. And I want to napalm most of
Edmonchuk's suburbs; well, to tell the truth, I'd like to napalm
most of the world's suburbs.
Hell, just cooking off some napalm in a field somewhere would be
fun -- hey kids, look at the pretty black and orange flower!
Wouldn't get me much friendship from the locals, I imagine, as
we've been having a pretty dry summer and the associated forest
and grass fires.
Hey, napalm a bush crew. As they stagger around like little
screaming pyres, bumping into trees and shrubs and leaving
behind little puddles of jellied gasoline (ObWeaponry: is it
still jellied gas?), they just spred the flames faster, and they
can die knowing that the fire that's going to destroy their home
town grew faster because of their actions. (Although I suspect
that "AUUUGH! FUCK! I'M ON FIRE! AUUGH! PAIN! HURTS!" would
be higher in their thoughts. Whatever; I'm not particular.)
Cheers,
Matt
--
"My Sister Was Murdered for Her Unborn Baby, and All I Got Was This Bloody
T-shirt"
-- Rev. Syd Midnight, alt.tasteless
aemilia
up compelled to spew forth:
>Yeah they would have to cut down on watering the median strips on every
>other day. Even when LA is claiming their worst drough in years they are
>unwilling
>to stop watering the median strips?
We need something to create oxygen. If you're in the hood, all the
trees have been chopped down in the yards (they impede with your line
of fire, you know) and the grass has been killed by the hoopdees up on
blocks, and the shines pissing on the lawn from their porches of those
beautiful old turn of the century bungalows that they have let go to
shit, because they were doing nothing but drinking their 40s of
8-ball. Then again, if there is no oxygen, maybe the wetbacks and
shines will suffocate, and we can come back and restore those amazing
houses.
This should be in ADFP, but I drive through the hood a lot, and to see
these 100+ year old houses that have so much charm and character go to
ruin is really heartbreaking. There aren't a whole lot of historical
buildings in LA left, as the earthquakes or bulldozers take them all.
Now they are trash filled, cockroach ridden hovels that house 5
families. It depresses me.
aemilia
John Gilmer
> Next, Quebec City. Turn the bleatings and
> whinings of those froggy, separatist bastards
> into just so much hot, empty vapour (which is
> what it is to begin with, anyway). "Put another
> Froggie in the crematorium, all you get from
> nuking Frogs is ashes, ashes" (sung to the
> tune of "Put another nickel in the nickelodeon...")
>
If you must take out Quebec City use the people killing neutrol bomb.
Take out the other big French Speaking city there (Mont something)
beth
>
> Since it looks like my personal wet dream of a militia strike to
> free McVeigh and spirit him off to North Carolina where he can hide
> out with Eric Rudolph ain't gonna happen,...
Well if they really want to do something good for the country, they can
come to NC and rid us of that plague that is Jesse Helms. We aren't all
stupid fucking rednecks like Jesse is---really we aren't.
beth
Nathan Nagel
I found an MP3 once of what was purportedly Stephen Hawking rapping
(through his voice synth of course) - the name of the track? "Why won't
Jesse Helms Just Hurry Up And Die" I almost pissed my pants... I'll try
to find a URL for ya
nate
Nathan Nagel
Actually it was surprisingly easy to find once I knew what I was looking
for
http://www.mchawking.com/music.html
enjoy
nate
leed_25
Paul> ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?"
Redmond, WA
Bigassburger
> And the Supreme Court has denied a request to videotape his last
> breasts <squirt>
Last breasts???.....tell me more about the timmys big bomb...mmmmm...slurrp!!
Bigassburger
8========D~~~~~~~~<squirt>
A.Lizard
<lee...@my-deja.comREMOVE> wrote:
Unfortunately, every terrorist in the world knows that he'd be
doing the US a major favor by doing this. The eventual boost to
user productivity would result in the USA as a whole, in effect
making a fairly substantial profit on the deal no matter what it
cost to clean up the mess.
Though the aftermath would certainly make for an interesting year
or so.
Anybody smart enough to build an atomic bomb is also smart enough
to know this. Redmond is safe from nuclear terrorism.
A.Lizard
obT: moving to Redmond to stop worries about being nuked.
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john_th...@yahoo.com
wrote:
>>
>> >So, where would YOU nuke to strike the greatest blow against the US?
>>
>> NORAD (although I think it is even impenetrable to nuclear weaponry)
>
>I don't *think* anyone's tested Cheyenne Mountain against nukes.
>
No they wouldnt, but it designed to be impenitrable to nuclear
bombs detinated on it.
>How 'bout the greater Seattle area? IMHFO, North Merkin society
>would collapse completely within 72 hours if the yupper classes
>were deprived of Microsoft and Starbucks.
>
>ObT: I thought I'd gotten the plug out of it last night in the
>shower, but the pimple on my chin's all crusty and oozing pus.
>Scab made for a light, tasty afternoon snack, though.
>
>ObGuns: Would you need slugs in a shotgun to penetrate drywall,
>or would a sufficiently heavy load of buckshot do?
>
>Cheers,
> Matt
>--
>Razors pain you / Rivers are damp / Acids stain you / And drugs cause cramp.
>Guns aren't lawful / Nooses give / Gas smells awful / You might as well live.
> -- Dorothy Parker, "Resume"
john_th...@yahoo.com
<robn...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>ObGuns: Would you need slugs in a shotgun to penetrate drywall,
>>or would a sufficiently heavy load of buckshot do?
>
>I don't have any personal experience in this area, but the various paramedics et
>al. on this group have regularly told of buckshot penetrating drywall after
>suicides. I suspect that if you didn't make the shot go through any intervening
>targets (such as your skull), just about any decent-sized shot would go through
>at least one layer of drywall, if not 2 or 3. Sorta depends on your
>application, though, eh? Obviously, the heavier the shot, the more momentum
>each projectile will have (assuming that the total weight of shot in shells is
>roughly constant from slug to BB), as the v will be the same, but the m is
>bigger.
>
Yes definately goes throught walls, even bird shot will easily pass
thru at such close ranges.
>Note that even a golf ball can penetrate pretty well at the right speed.
>(Feature on CBC's National News last week on a Canajan who's the 5-time world
>long-drive champion, regularly pegging 380 yds. with his 1-wood; he put a golf
>ball through a piece of particle-board, and the damn thing still flew 150 yds.)
>And I bet a 12-ga. slug weighs more than your average golf ball, and most
>certainly goes a fuck of a lot faster, too.
>
>ObT: Thinking of all the things Matt could be tempted to try based on his query,
>and coming to the conclusion that there's not a single legal, non-injurious
>purpose among them.
>
>Robert
>--
> From the messy desk of RobNorth 62°27'N 114°22'W (give or take)
>Look, tell you what, we'll eat her, if you feel a bit guilty about it
>after, we can dig a grave and you can throw up into it.
> - Monty Python's Flying Circus
>
john_th...@yahoo.com
<jwe...@emory.edu> wrote:
I think it should be legal to kill anyone who says they are christian,
after all you are doing them a favour getting them off earth and into
heaven!
Chemwonk
"aemilia" <aemilia...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eaicitct8mb5imiak...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:07:34 GMT, wor...@dworley.ne.mediaone.net
>
> Antonio Villairagosa (who just lost the race for LA mayor last week)
> was a member of Aztlan as a yoot in college. James Hahn (the winner in
> the race) brought that out about a week before the race. He started
> appealing to all the xenophobic republicans (the only remaining two
> candidates were democrats, talk about a tough choice for the GOP) by
> intimating that Villaraigosa advocated the military insurgence against
> California and returning it to Mexico. I think it got whitey so scared
> that the republicans actually got out and voted for a DEMOCRAT! Hahn
> won 56-44%.
>
I strongly suspect that it was more the aroma of Clinton that Hahn managed
to hang on Villaraigosa than any great fear of the barrio population. I only
saw the contest from far out in 'fly-over' country, but virtually all of the
coverage that I saw found some way to work in the fact that Villaraigosa
petitioned Clinton for the pardon of some convicted drug dealer. Lets face
it, any combination of your name + Clinton + convicted drug dealer's name in
the same sentence is going to be enough to bring the GOP faithful out to
vote against you no matter what your politics, ethnicity, gender, etc are.
--
Chemwonk
"safely assumed to be carcinogenic"
Nearwidow
an explosive device makes ridiculous it's use for that purpose, as other
substances may be easily acquired which deliver more bang for the buck.
You could blow up a city block with stuff you bought at the supermarket for
$4 or less.
xXx
Disgruntled P
--Something I've been meaning to mention: Timmy was murdered by an
overdose, not a cannon blast. (geddit? geddit?)
"Nanook of the North" <robn...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:9g5am...@drn.newsguy.com...
: In article <3b289dc6.12419802@news>, enoi...@omit.home.com says...
:
Rev. Syd Midnight
>
> On 12 Jun 2001 17:59:39 -0700, leed_25
> <lee...@my-deja.comREMOVE> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Atreides <atre...@sover.net> writes:
> >
> > Paul> ObT: "Where Would You Nuke?"
> >
> >Redmond, WA
>
> Unfortunately, every terrorist in the world knows that he'd be
> doing the US a major favor by doing this. The eventual boost to
> user productivity would result in the USA as a whole, in effect
> making a fairly substantial profit on the deal no matter what it
> cost to clean up the mess.
>
> Though the aftermath would certainly make for an interesting year
> or so.
This got me thinking. I count 3 decent ways for a multi-billionaire to
die: a) In bed, probably not asleep; b) Huddled inside a heavily guarded
germ-proof vault, surrounded by jars of their own urine; and c) Sanding at a
sparking control panel and laughing maniacally whilst alarms blare and
guards scurry about with sub-machineguns, and a British spy says something
clever and shoots them with a bazooka. We've seen disappointingly little of
c) in recent times, even though the record-setting numbers of people wealthy
beyond imagining.
I prefer my plutocrats to be open with their thirst for conquest. I like
the way Bill Gates will sometimes appear on a giant Big Brother-style
Jumbotron in front of an audience, but I'd feel better if he'd have bought
the Mir Space Station, or bought one of those cheap little African nations
to make Microsoft a nation-state.
If I ever become one of the worlds richest people, you can bet that my
plans will include a lair in a volcanic island, spiffy stormtrooper
uniforms, and a giant satellite with unspecified functions, at the very
least. And 25% off all our products if you swear a Loyalty Oath.
--
Rev. Syd Midnight - Remove TREET from my address to reply
"There's nothing wrong with me that years of therapy and psychotropic
medications wouldn't fix."
-- Alraune
Nanook of the North
says...
>
>The cost of the active ingredients in lithium requisite to the creation of
>an explosive device makes ridiculous it's use for that purpose, as other
>substances may be easily acquired which deliver more bang for the buck.
>
>You could blow up a city block with stuff you bought at the supermarket for
>$4 or less.
>
Indeed, Timmy's 2.5 kt bomb scared the shit out of people. But a 1 kt nuclear
device would leave even more fear around, roughly proportional to the rem count
of the neighbourhood. (The rescuers in OKC didn't have to worry about radiation
exposure when they went in to dig out bodies.) How would people be feeling
about Timmy's Adventure if firefighters had been dropping like flies from
leukaemia et al. over the last six years?
ObPedant: Timmy's Adventure apparently cost $540 for the fertiliser (108 x 50
lb. bags at $5 a pop) and $3000 for the racing fuel that Nichols bought as an
accelerant. (See http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/28/mcveigh.press/.) IMHO, it would
have been easier to just buy as many sticks of dynamite as there were bags of
fertiliser, stick one stick [huh-huh] into each bag, buy again as many blasting
caps (or fewer, given that igniting a few bags would've been enough to set the
rest off), rig up some fuse and a timer, and boom!
To increase the damage to the building -- Timmy apparently wanted the whole
thing to come down, not just half of it -- buy some steel plate, say 1/4" thick.
Lay it down on the floor of the truck, on the wall separating the cab from the
cargo area, and then slanted upwards from half-way up that front wall to about
half-way back on the ceiling of the truck. That would have likely done a decent
job of directing more of the blast towards the target, and less of it towards
the ground or through the cab (i.e. away from the target) or just plain straight
up into the air through the roof of the cargo area.
Imagine a UHaul 24' truck with a capacity of 6500 lb and dimensions of about 20'
by 7' by 8'. 20'x7'x1/4" for the floor is about 1400 lb, 5'x7' for the front
wall is about 350 lb, two 8'x20' pieces at another 1400 lb each for the sides,
and a sloping piece of 11'x7' for the top is about 700 lb, for a little over 2.5
tons of steel. Say $250 a ton, say $700 to buy the steel.
Fertiliser: Apparently NH4NO3 is up to $250 a ton, so two tons would be $500.
I've heard motor oil is sufficient to mix with the fertiliser, and the rate of 1
qt. per 8.5 lbs has been mentioned. So two tons would need about 500 quarts,
say another $500.
Dunno how much dynamite, blasting caps, and fuses are, but can't be that much.
Another $500, tops.
So; rent the truck, load 'er up, and boom! $2500 bucks max for an improved
TimmyBomb. Maybe a few sandbags to lay on top of the slanted steel plate to
keep it in place (even if the five plates were welded together, anything that
kept the top plate from flying up during the explosion would help). If you're
really cheap, get one of those credit cards that you're always getting
applications for, fill it out in the name of some dead person with a PO Box in a
state you've never visited before in your life, make a few months' worth of
legit purchases on it, then buy everything on the credit card. Wouldn't even
need to pick up the bills from the PO Box if you just paid off the card with
money orders mailed to the right address and kept good track of your purchases.
Hmmmmmm. Maybe I got a bit carried away up there. Just forget everything I
wrote.
ObNotT: Of course, I would never advocate doing such a thing. That's for
Americans.
Robert
--
From the messy desk of RobNorth 62°27'N 114°22'W (give or take)
I looked at him as I hung up the phone and explained that I hadn't seen,
heard, or in any other way sensed that he was choking his chicken, but
now that he'd enlightened me with that information, I was thoroughly
repelled, thank you. - Jeff Justin
A.Lizard
<robn...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>In article <m4VV6.358536$ho6.21...@news5.aus1.giganews.com>, "Nearwidow"
>says...
>>
>>The cost of the active ingredients in lithium requisite to the creation of
>>an explosive device makes ridiculous it's use for that purpose, as other
>>substances may be easily acquired which deliver more bang for the buck.
>>
>>You could blow up a city block with stuff you bought at the supermarket for
>>$4 or less.
>>
>Yes, but there's the fear factor.
>
>Indeed, Timmy's 2.5 kt bomb scared the shit out of people.
you mean 2.5 ton , don't you? Oklahoma City is still there, much
as we might wish otherwise.
>But a 1 kt nuclear
>device would leave even more fear around, roughly proportional to the rem count
>of the neighbourhood. (The rescuers in OKC didn't have to worry about radiation
>exposure when they went in to dig out bodies.) How would people be feeling
>about Timmy's Adventure if firefighters had been dropping like flies from
>leukaemia et al. over the last six years?
Nuclear terrorists would be considerably less popular than they
are now. Proposing to duplicate this feat might get one chased by
angry mobs.
>ObPedant: Timmy's Adventure apparently cost $540 for the fertiliser (108 x 50
>lb. bags at $5 a pop) and $3000 for the racing fuel that Nichols bought as an
>accelerant.
Wouldn't diesel oil puchased at any gas station have been just as
effective and a lot cheaper? The old DuPont Blaster's Handbook
recommended it. Or did the racing fuel purchase get Mr. McVeigh a
snazzy free bumper sticker or something?
[sni]
>job of directing more of the blast towards the target, and less of it towards
>the ground or through the cab (i.e. away from the target) or just plain straight
>up into the air through the roof of the cargo area.
Search term: "shaped charges"
[snip]
>
>Fertiliser: Apparently NH4NO3 is up to $250 a ton, so two tons would be $500.
>
>I've heard motor oil is sufficient to mix with the fertiliser, and the rate of 1
>qt. per 8.5 lbs has been mentioned. So two tons would need about 500 quarts,
>say another $500.
You might be able to get it free by posing as a "black market"
recycling operation or even get a service station to pay to take
it off their hands. (with the implication that you'd be dumping
it onto somebody's farm or into a convenient storm drain) The
ANFO doesn't care if the motor oil additives are up to date and I
doubt it matters if the oil is clean.
[snip]
>legit purchases on it, then buy everything on the credit card. Wouldn't even
>need to pick up the bills from the PO Box if you just paid off the card with
>money orders mailed to the right address and kept good track of your purchases.
Don't know if the "American Express / 7-11 Gift Card" is
available in CA yet, but... imagine a rechargable debit card that
bills through AmEx *with no name attached to the account*.
Service charge 4% taken at time of payment, i.e. you pay $52 to
put $50 into the account. For more info, go to
http://www.7-11.com and poke around until you find the FAQ. A
Canuck might need to have an American buy this for them.
The bad news about the card is;
1. If you get ripped off, AmEx won't help you even if you're
willing to admit to making the purchase.
2. Finding places that'll take AmEx is getting harder all the
time.
3. You can't pay for porn with AmEx.
4. This card is sufficienly unusual that if you put $1000 on the
card, you will probably be remembered.
5. If it's a physical item, you still have to have it shipped
somewhere and take physical delivery. I don't know about Canada,
but to rent a private mailbox in the US now requires ID (fake is
OK, of course) and filling out a USPS form. Presumably, this is
to make it harder to buy mail-order porn.
>Hmmmmmm. Maybe I got a bit carried away up there. Just forget everything I
>wrote.
About what?
Sergeant Oglethorpe "X-NoArchive" Preston
RCMP
>ObNotT: Of course, I would never advocate doing such a thing. That's for
>Americans.
Too bad you're not in Parliament. I'd love to see US Senator
Dianne Feinstein's take on explosive information posted to the
Internet *by elected public officials". Perhaps she'd try to get
her fellow Senators to declare war on Canada for putting
objectionable information on the Internet. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
` A.Lizard
>Robert
obT: Buy our "Mad Bomber" 100 Kg Pu239 package while this offer
lasts and get a free Britney Spears video
Benjamin Jacoby
> You could blow up a city block with stuff you bought at the supermarket for
> $4 or less.
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Think of all those ignorant children surfing the net who
need a proper education!