HOLY JESUS H. GLUB! There goes the neighborhood...
Syd Midnight
towers just collapsed. They also nailed the Pentagon too.
Rumor I heard is that it was the Palestinians.
In any case, the carnage is beyond belief. The devastation is immense.
Unfortunately, I had just finished masturbating when I caught the news..
gonna have to wait an hour or two to *really* enjoy the show.
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A.Lizard
<s...@malignant.melanoma.org> wrote:
> Holy living fuck. They finally did it. One of the World Trade Center
>towers just collapsed. They also nailed the Pentagon too.
To point out something obvious, somebody missed an opportunity.
You think we have chaos *now*?
The two terrorists who hijacked the planes that flew into the WTC
could have flown them into the White House and the Capitol
building. The timing could have been such as to make sure that
the President and Congress was inside.
At this point, a *nuclear strike* could be organized against any
major terrorist organization and against any government stupid
enough to do anything but turn their asses over with relative
ease.
If they had taken out the US government, getting well enough
organized to do this could have taken months.
As I see it, somebody gave the US a hotfoot.
With little more effort, that somebody could have caused major
damage adequate to postpone retribution for a very long time. . .
whoever it is who's chortling in satisfaction at the TV right now
is probably going to be paying for his mistake.
> Rumor I heard is that it was the Palestinians.
The Taliban have *already* said, "It wasn't us."
The problem with guessing who did ... anybody know of any heads
of major terrorist organizations who are personally suicidal? The
US is essentially at war with somebody who has attacked us with
"weapons of mass destruction".
All I can say at this point is that I hope none of our people got
caught in the blasts.
A.Lizard
obT: NOBODY credibly claims responsibility.
obT2: the good news ... nobody is going to blame this on
terrorist bomb info available via THOSE EVIL Internet sites.
obT3: the bad news ... look for more anti-crypto legislation FOR
OUR OWN GOOD from the idiots in Congress. Like this couldn't have
been planned over the phone.
> In any case, the carnage is beyond belief. The devastation is immense.
>Unfortunately, I had just finished masturbating when I caught the news..
>gonna have to wait an hour or two to *really* enjoy the show.
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Top Sirloin
wrote:
>The Taliban have *already* said, "It wasn't us."
Our response should be "Too fucking bad. Prepare to reap the whirlwind
of being guilty by association - it's payback time".
Scott Johnson
"I made the best gains of my life when I dumped
the "oh me so tired" crap and started getting on
with it for real." -Bryce Lane
Lorri
>
> Holy living fuck. They finally did it. One of the World Trade Center
> towers just collapsed. They also nailed the Pentagon too.
>
Both are now piles of rubble. I heard on the radio (before they suddenly
went off the air....WSB 750 AM in Atlanta....) that over 50,000 people
work(ed) in the WTC.
I believe I'd just bulldoze in some dirt and put a slab on it.
> Rumor I heard is that it was the Palestinians.
>
> In any case, the carnage is beyond belief. The devastation is immense.
> Unfortunately, I had just finished masturbating when I caught the news..
> gonna have to wait an hour or two to *really* enjoy the show.
>
I'm thinking China. They're the only country that's really pissed at us,
AND has the capability to orchestrate something like this.
Spare a thought for Atlanta, we have the CDC, the Federal Reserve,
Dobbins AFB, and other secret shit.
From CNN: The Sears Tower in Chicago, the UN in New York, and the CDC
here in Atlanta have been evacuated. CDC has created and are preparing
bioterrorism teams. The NY Port Authority has closed all bridges and
tunnels into the city. Bellevue Hospital is command central for handling
casualties.
There goes the NYSE and NASDAQ, so our economy is fucked. The plane in
the Pentagon took out Army offices, so military has been affected. I
just hope these bastards didn't read the most recent Popular Mechanics
and get any funny ideas about E-Bombs.
Lorri
Buying canned goods, toilet paper, and Cheez-Its
A.Lizard
(Top Sirloin) wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:14:41 GMT, A.Lizard <alizard[spam]@ecis.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The Taliban have *already* said, "It wasn't us."
sorry, apparently, that should have been "bin Laden"... I was out
of the room with the TV in it and my roommates didn't hear it
correctly the first time.
Interesting thing is:
"Osama bin Laden has warned of an "unprecedented attack" on US
interests three weeks ago, according to Abdel-Bari Atwan, an Arab
journalist with access to the Saudi dissident. Meanwhile Abu
Dhabi television said a Palestinian group claimed
responsibility."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550201,00.html
nothing useful in the one english language Abu Dhabi newspaper
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/ I've found so far.
>Our response should be "Too fucking bad. Prepare to reap the whirlwind
>of being guilty by association - it's payback time".
Before nuking the bastards, the missiles really should be pointed
in the right general direction first, otherwise they won't have a
whole lot of deterrence value for anybody who:
1) is considering pulling off their own major terrorist strike
2) anybody who lives within several miles of anybody who is
plotting a major strike.
The real value of a nuclear response to this would be the people
in category 2.
A.Lizard
>
> Scott Johnson
> "I made the best gains of my life when I dumped
> the "oh me so tired" crap and started getting on
> with it for real." -Bryce Lane
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Jon Hartley
wrote:
<<Snip>>
>"Osama bin Laden has warned of an "unprecedented attack" on US
>interests three weeks ago, according to Abdel-Bari Atwan, an Arab
>journalist with access to the Saudi dissident. Meanwhile Abu
>Dhabi television said a Palestinian group claimed
>responsibility."
The sooner that this gets corrected to 'Osama BEEN Laden but is now
fucking dead', the sooner the world will be a better place.
Jon (Very Angry) Hartley
Matt Olson
>
> The two terrorists who hijacked the planes that flew into the WTC
> could have flown them into the White House and the Capitol
> building. The timing could have been such as to make sure that
> the President and Congress was inside.
Oh, look, you've read Tom Clancy too. How nice.
> The problem with guessing who did ... anybody know of any heads
> of major terrorist organizations who are personally suicidal? The
> US is essentially at war with somebody who has attacked us with
> "weapons of mass destruction".
Huh? If someone nuked, gassed or slimed New England I have yet to
hear of it.
> All I can say at this point is that I hope none of our people got
> caught in the blasts.
Dumb idea. You Merkins start glassing bits and pieces of the Middle
East, and every raghead on the planet's going to be gunning for you.
Lots of yobs with AK-47s out there. OTOH, you do something a bit
more subtle, and start whacking terrorists pretty much at random
while publicly proclaiming how much you believe that Islam is a
fairy tale^W^Wreligion of peace and understanding, and you might
actually accomplish something. (MiniObT: Looks like I've read
Clancy too.)
> obT3: the bad news ... look for more anti-crypto legislation FOR
> OUR OWN GOOD from the idiots in Congress. Like this couldn't have
> been planned over the phone.
"The message was encrypted with sophisticated are-oh-tee-thirteen
cypher technology."
ObT: What the hell am I thinking? You guys start nuking the camel
jockeys, they cut off oil exports, and Alberta's economy does the
exponential-growth boogie. Hey, Dubya, Yasser says you're a queer!
Cheers,
Matt
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"Don't touch me, you strange man!"
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Top Sirloin
wrote:
>>Our response should be "Too fucking bad. Prepare to reap the whirlwind
>>of being guilty by association - it's payback time".
>
>Before nuking the bastards,
Screw nuking them, let's just drop off Hillary Clinton, PETA, and
Jesse Jackson.
-Scott Johnson
"There is nothing, I think, more unfortunate than
to have soft, chubby, fat-looking children who go
to watch their school play basketball every Saturday
and regard that as their week's exercise."
- John F. Kennedy, 1962
scrapie
wrote:
>Syd Midnight wrote:
>>
>> Holy living fuck. They finally did it. One of the World Trade Center
>> towers just collapsed. They also nailed the Pentagon too.
>I believe I'd just bulldoze in some dirt and put a slab on it.
Betcha they'll rebuild posthaste to prove we aren't cowed by Evillll.
That's expensive real estate - ain't no one in NYC who'll seriously
countenance pissing away that much dough for a memorial. Not like OKC
where they have plenty of open dirt to build on.
>> Rumor I heard is that it was the Palestinians.
>>
>I'm thinking China. They're the only country that's really pissed at us,
>AND has the capability to orchestrate something like this.
>
I've been hearing the Palestinians are cheering, no surprise there.
I've also heard Bin Laden as the prime candidate - the Guardian (UK)
is quoting someone from the middle east who interviewed Our Boy Osama
lately saying "something sweet is coming, just you wait."
Me, I'm skeptical it was furriners.
This is so close to duplicating a scene from a Clancy novel that I
can't help but wonder if it ain't domestic. I don't know how popular
Tom is out in the sand pits, but I know he's popular with the Tin Foil
Hat brigade in the heartland.
I was also interested that Vlad the Exploder was one of the first in
the gate with the expressions of condolence - Putin is widely believed
to have engineered the explosions of two? three? four? apartment
blocks in Moscow and other Russkie towns to justify rolling back into
Chechnya.
Man, that tape that they're playing of the plane kissing the backside
of the WTC is special. I hope someone's working on the video capture
and the T-shirt already.
Oh, and I just got a very, very interesting heads-up on the plane in
PA: probably we took it ourselves. A passenger got into a lav with a
cellphone and called 911 to report the hijack. I'm sure that got
passed quickly up the food chain, and I'll bet as soon as the DC tac
air wings heard about it, they were ordered to take that puppy out
before it found a good place to burrow. That or the pilot did it his
own self, but it sure seems like whoever was boarding these planes had
pilots with them as part of the team.
-Peter
scr...@cyberpass.net is a truly dead address, but it's one a few folk
may remember.
The *MIGHTY* (yet modest) Two Tub Man
wrote:
>I'm thinking China. They're the only country that's really pissed at us,
>AND has the capability to orchestrate something like this.
It was the sneaky yellow Japs and you better start nuking them now!
Tub
mhirtes
The Chinese want to get into the WTO like crazy ass. Why would they want
to blow up the WTC for?
--
"Who's driving? Oh my God! Bear is driving!! How can that be?????"
A.Lizard
Olson) wrote:
><BLINK> Quoth A.Lizard (alizard[spam]@ecis.com):
>>
>> The two terrorists who hijacked the planes that flew into the WTC
>> could have flown them into the White House and the Capitol
>> building. The timing could have been such as to make sure that
>> the President and Congress was inside.
>
>Oh, look, you've read Tom Clancy too. How nice.
Sure, I'll admit it... I consider it extremely probable that the
planner of the attack *also* read Tom Clancy.
Just for the record, I enjoy the guy's books. I also consider
them miltary-oriented science fantasy... based on the unrealistic
premises that "the system works" and "US military technology
works as well as the glossy pamphlets distributed by aerospace
contractors say they do"... So I tend to laugh in the wrong
places.
>> The problem with guessing who did ... anybody know of any heads
>> of major terrorist organizations who are personally suicidal? The
>> US is essentially at war with somebody who has attacked us with
>> "weapons of mass destruction".
>
>Huh? If someone nuked, gassed or slimed New England I have yet to
>hear of it.
You don't have to nuke every city in the US to qualify. Though I
do admit that the use of an airplane full of people for this does
give the somebody responsible bonus points for creativity.
>
>> All I can say at this point is that I hope none of our people got
>> caught in the blasts.
>
>Dumb idea. You Merkins start glassing bits and pieces of the Middle
>East, and every raghead on the planet's going to be gunning for you.
You are making an assumption here. That all ragheads are suicidal
idiots who like nothing better than a burst of nuclear sunshine
to wake up to.
Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan,
said in reaction to the news of the terror attacks that "we want
to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain
and we hope that the courts find justice."
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/usattack.htm
"Another group suspected is the Democratic Front for the
Liberation of Palestine, but the group has denied an early report
it was behind the attacks."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,550224,00.html
That's two groups who have checked in to indicate that they don't
want to be atomized today. I suspect that every major terrorst
group will be doing the same thing as soon as they can find news
media not too busy to take their calls.
>Lots of yobs with AK-47s out there. OTOH, you do something a bit
>more subtle, and start whacking terrorists pretty much at random
Most people don't *get* subtle. "Don't fuck with the US"
punctuated with mushroom clouds is a message most people will
understand. The idea behind an appropriate response to this kind
of attack isn't revenge, it's *education*. We want the next
terrorist leader *anywhere* who proposes this kind of action to
be shot dead by his own bodyguards or lynched by his neighbors on
the grounds that a nuclear blast can ruin one's entire day.
>while publicly proclaiming how much you believe that Islam is a
>fairy tale^W^Wreligion of peace and understanding, and you might
>actually accomplish something. (MiniObT: Looks like I've read
>Clancy too.)
>> obT3: the bad news ... look for more anti-crypto legislation FOR
>> OUR OWN GOOD from the idiots in Congress. Like this couldn't have
>> been planned over the phone.
>
>"The message was encrypted with sophisticated are-oh-tee-thirteen
>cypher technology."
Are you trying to get the US Feds mad at you or just Adobe Corp?
Note: a couple of anon remailer sites have already shut down.
(from politech)
>ObT: What the hell am I thinking? You guys start nuking the camel
>jockeys, they cut off oil exports, and Alberta's economy does the
>exponential-growth boogie. Hey, Dubya, Yasser says you're a queer!
Mr. Arafat has already publically denounced the action.
A.Lizard
obT: a major terrorist organization delivers the asses of the
people they consider responsible to a US Embassy somewhere in the
Arab world.
obT2: they'll be in no condition to explain their actions.
>Cheers,
> Matt
Matt Olson
> On 11 Sep 2001 16:37:55 GMT, ol...@csu401.cs.ualberta.ca (Matt
> Olson) wrote:
> >Oh, look, you've read Tom Clancy too. How nice.
>
> Sure, I'll admit it... I consider it extremely probable that the
> planner of the attack *also* read Tom Clancy.
Yep. I'm just sick of people quoting bits of _Debt of Honor_ at me
and expecting me to delight in their cleverness. Chalk it up to
stress.
> >Huh? If someone nuked, gassed or slimed New England I have yet to
> >hear of it.
>
> You don't have to nuke every city in the US to qualify. Though I
> do admit that the use of an airplane full of people for this does
> give the somebody responsible bonus points for creativity.
No, but you *do* have to use nuclear/radiological, chemical, or
biological (live or toxin) weapons to qualify as "weapons of mass
destruction". Just a big fucking bomb (or plane) doesn't cut it.
So if the States sticks by their stated policy of no-first-use (and
I'm not especially confident that they will), nobody's going to be
lobbing nukes around.
On the other hand, you can fit plenty of conventional bang into a
Tomahawk.
> >Dumb idea. You Merkins start glassing bits and pieces of the Middle
> >East, and every raghead on the planet's going to be gunning for you.
>
> You are making an assumption here. That all ragheads are suicidal
> idiots who like nothing better than a burst of nuclear sunshine
> to wake up to.
No, I'm assuming that if we take that Subgenius' idea and glass
Mecca, the Islamics are going to be a bit upset. If we leave
religion out of it, something useful might happen.
> >"The message was encrypted with sophisticated are-oh-tee-thirteen
> >cypher technology."
>
> Are you trying to get the US Feds mad at you or just Adobe Corp?
Both of 'em.
"Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Well, *I* can decrypt *double* rot-13 in my
*head*!"
ObT: No-first-use goes out the window, and the Yoo Ess starts the
ball rolling with some of CDC's goodies.
Cheers,
Matt
--
Matt "Mommy! Where's Fluffy?" Olson, C/Perl/OpenGL/Unix ninja
"My Sister Was Murdered for Her Unborn Baby, and All I Got Was This Bloody
T-shirt"
-- Rev. Syd Midnight, alt.tasteless
Roberta Hatch
>ObT: Current estimates are placing the toll at 15K, which is only 10
>or 15 times the yield of the current Palestine Follies. An area which
>has less than 1/10 of the population of the US. (IIRC)
A lot less than one-tenth. The population of Israel is roughly
six-million. Double that figure so that Gaza and the West Bank are
included and you get roughly one-twentieth the population of the US.
Now I admit that the attacks on the World Trade Center were
a good score. The one on the Pentagon was stupid. Even they did
manage to take out the Big Guys, so what. There are plenty of other
people that are able to take their places, and plenty of other buildings
to take the place of the Penagon.
I would have made the target a little further south. Norfolk,
Virginia to be exact. Plenty of nice big juicy targets to nail there.
There's the D&S Piers. 'D' standing for destroyer and 'S'
for subamarine. Probably could have taken out several boomers and
their missiles. Each boomer carrying 24 misslies, and each missile
carrying up to five warheads; as well as the boats' reactors. Now
that would have been a big mess.
Or, at the nearby Norfolk Naval Station, I'm sure there must
have been at least one or two nuke powered carriers in port to choose
for an impromptu, Nip-style, landing.
Bobbi
---
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Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, CA (This space for rent)
Lorri
>
>
> ObT: No-first-use goes out the window, and the Yoo Ess starts the
> ball rolling with some of CDC's goodies.
>
An interesting observation in light of the fact that a certain
organization that provides server space to the CDC's biowarfare servers
might be visited in the extreme near future by a technician who is going
to access some highly important information on said server.....
Oh, a little bird told me...
Lorri
crato
news:o7lsptgqs9lkb2kr2...@4ax.com:
> You don't have to nuke every city in the US to qualify. Though I
> do admit that the use of an airplane full of people for this does
> give the somebody responsible bonus points for creativity.
Actually, I'd like to read the technical specification for this new-fangled
"Ayatollah" class cruise missle. The two points that I'd have thought
insurmountable would be the requirement for the price being close to that
of a couple of airline tickets and a terminal guidance system impervious to
conventional electronic countermeasures. Very impressive and on a
shoestring budget. Pentagon planners take note...
Speaking of which, any word on Zeno yet? Although I'm all for any ATer
going out and spreading their genes, I'd hate to hear that his were spread
this way.
Crato
ObQuestionForDaveHall: I sat down with my trusty calculator to do the
kinetic energy yield on the new Ayatollah cruise missle. I then realised,
just how in the fuck do you calculate the energy in flaming fuel rushing
down stairwells filled with screaming bankers?
What's your guess on what the energy dump was to the buildings? And should
you count the BTU's in the rendered fat in the final equation?
Phil Arnold
> There's the D&S Piers. 'D' standing for destroyer and 'S'
>for subamarine. Probably could have taken out several boomers and
>their missiles. Each boomer carrying 24 misslies, and each missile
>carrying up to five warheads; as well as the boats' reactors
No boomers in Norva unless things have changed recently. The boomer pen is
down in Kings Bay/Savannah, GA IIRC. Based on the preliminary nooz reports,
we have sortied 6 of our 12 carriers.
Nimitz is just finishing dry-dock at Newport News getting a new reactor core
last I heard, and will transit to SD sometime this month.
Washington is underway for NYC, joining the Kennedy.
Enterprise and CVW-8 are in the Persian Gulf.
Vinson and CVW-11 are in the IO.
Stenis and Constellation are underway WestPac.
(And just so nobody has a pisser, this is all public info from
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/.www/status.html and msnbc.com)