Most Americans Believe...*WHAT*?!
Non scrivetemi
>Surveyed Americans Believe in Biblical Truth
>Sixty percent ... believe in the Genesis account of creation, which
>tells us that God created the universe in six days.
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Just curious. Is that how the survey question was posed, to wit:
"Do you believe the biblical Genesis account of creation, which
tells us that God created the whole Universe in six solar days?"
I mean, you didn't stipulate earth days, solar days, or whatever,
but you implied it by not otherwise quantifying what a day means.
Sure, fundamentalist Christians will reply "we just don't know",
"nobody knows" etc., and yet they believe it's true nonetheless.
It's like they're saying "I don't know much about the bible, or
what was going on in the minds of its divinely-inspired authors,
but I believe everything the bible says anyway." It's like they
shun knowledge as if all higher learning were evil or "Satanic".
What Atheists call "nonsense", the fundies call "devil-worship".
I sincerely doubt that 60% of so-called "Americans" believe that
God Created His whole infinite and eternal Universe in six solar
days! But if they do, they read the Genesis account from dumbed-
down English versions. Serious Christians should be reading from
the Vulgate, and the LXX, and in the same Spirit of the original
authors and translators. If they read from the original texts in
Hebrew (with smatterings of Aramaic) and Greek, they rely on the
dumbed-down English translations. For example here's Exodus 3:14
(I think of Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum". We see where he got it):
"dixit Deus ad Mosen ego sum qui sum
and said Zeus toward Moses, I am that I am.
ait sic dices filiis Israhel
and He said Thus say to the children of Israel,
qui est misit me ad vos"
I AM is sending me toward you.
Why do the fundies have such a hard time with ancient names for
the One and only Supreme God of heaven? Names like Theos, Zeus,
Deus, Jupiter, Jehovah, also used in the intensive singular of
the definitively plural Elohiym. Very same God, many different
names in many different languages in many different times upon
the earth. Like the Greek phrase "kuriov o yeov o pantokratwr",
literally, "the Dominant one Theos Almighty" (ref. Apocalypse,
Revelation 4:8, 19:6, 21:22), Lord God Almighty, it all means
the same One Universal Creator of the Universe, our heavenly
father. So why do fundies have a problem with names like Zeus,
Theos, Jupiter, or Jehovah? Different names for the same One,
True God of the Universe, also known as The Emperor of heaven.
Keeping that in mind, read Genesis 1:1-31 and 2:1-4, literally
translated from Jerome's Latin Vulgate, interlinear, (Elohiym):
(SOLIS)
"in principio creavit Deus caelum et terram terra
in the beginning created Zeus the heaven and the earth. earth
autem erat inanis et vacua et tenebrae super
however to be inane and vacuous, and tenebrosity was upon
faciem abyssi et spiritus Dei ferebatur
the face of the abyss. and the spirit of the Gods did approach
super aquas dixitque Deus fiat lux et facta
upon the waters. and said Zeus Let there be light, and was made
est lux et vidit Deus lucem quod esset bona et
to be light. and did see Zeus the light, that it was good. and
divisit lucem ac tenebras appellavitque
divided He the light from the tenebrosity, and appellated Him
lucem diem et tenebras noctem factumque
the light Day, and the tenebrosity Night. and this was
est vespere et mane dies unus" --Genesis 1:1-5
to be evening and morning, day one.
(LVNE)
"dixit quoque Deus fiat firmamentum in medio
and said likewise Zeus Let there be a firmament in the midst
aquarum et dividat aquas ab aquis
of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
et fecit Deus firmamentum divisitque aquas quae
and made Zeus the firmament, and divided He the waters which
erant sub firmamento ab his quae erant super
to be below the firmament from those which to be above
firmamentum et factum est ita vocavitque
the firmament, and it was made to be thus. and called
Deus firmamentum caelum et factum est vespere et
Zeus the firmament Heaven. and it was to be evening and
mane dies secundus" 6-8
morning, day second.
(MARTIS)
"dixit vero Deus congregentur aquae quae
and said in verity Zeus Let them be congregated the waters which
sub caelo sunt in locum unum et appareat
are under the heaven, to be in locality one, and let to appear
arida factumque est ita et vocavit Deus aridam
aridity, and this was to be thus. and called Zeus the arid land
terram congregationesque aquarum appellavit maria
Earth, and the congregation of the waters appellated Him Seas.
et vidit Deus quod esset bonum et ait
and did see Zeus that it was a good thing. and He said
germinet terra herbam virentem et facientem
Let be germinating the earth the herb virescent and to be making
semen et lignum pomiferum faciens fructum iuxta genus
seed, and the tree pomiferous making fruit near to the genus
suum cuius semen in semet ipso sit
of it, whose seed in itself of his very own kind is to be,
super terram et factum est ita et protulit
upon the earth, and it was to be thus. and brought forth
terra herbam virentem et adferentem semen iuxta
the earth the herb virescent and producing seed near to
genus suum lignumque faciens fructum et habens
the genus of it, and the tree making fruit and having
unumquodque sementem secundum speciem suam et vidit
each one sowing after the species of it. and did see
Deus quod esset bonum factumque est vespere et
Zeus that it was a good thing. and this was to be evening and
mane diestertius" 9-13
morning, day third.
(MERCVRII)
"dixit autem Deus fiant luminaria in firmamento
and said moreover Zeus Let there be luminaries in the firmament
caeli ut dividant diem ac noctem et
of the heavens, in order to divide the day from the night. and
sint in signa et tempora et dies et
they shall be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and
annos ut luceant in firmamento caeli
for years, in order that the lights in the firmament of the heavens
et inluminent terram et factum est ita fecitque
also to illuminate the earth, and it was to be thus. and made
Deus duo magna luminaria luminare maius ut
Zeus two great luminaries, the luminary greater in order that
praeesset diei et luminare minus ut
to be ruling the day, and the luminary lesser in order that
praeesset nocti et stellas et posuit
to be ruling the night. also the Stars, and from their position
eas in firmamento caeli ut lucerent
to be advancing in the firmament of the heavens, in order to shine
super terram et praeessent diei ac nocti
over the earth, and to be ruling the day and also the night,
et dividerent lucem ac tenebras et vidit
and to be dividing the light from the tenebrosity. and did see
Deus quod esset bonum et factum est vespere et
Zeus that it was a good thing. and it was to be evening and
mane dies quartus" 14-19
morning, day fourth.
(IOVIS)
"dixit etiam Deus producant aquae
and said furthermore Zeus Let be producing the waters
reptile animae viventis et volatile
the creeping creature breathing with life, and those volant
super terram sub firmamento caeli creavitque
above the earth under the firmament of the heavens. and created
Deus cete grandia et omnem animam viventem
Zeus the whale great, and every creature breathing with life
atque motabilem quam produxerant aquae in
and indeed able to move, which have produced the waters in
species suas et omne volatile secundum
the species of them, and all that are volant after
genus suum et vidit Deus quod esset bonum
the genus of them. and did see Zeus that it was a good thing.
benedixitque eis dicens crescite et
and He gave benediction to them, saying Be crescive, and
multiplicamini et replete aquas maris
multiply, and become replete in the waters of the seas,
avesque multiplicentur super terram et factum
and let the avian multiply above the earth. and it was
est vespere et mane dies quintus" 20-23
to be evening and morning, day fifth.
(VENERIS)
"dixit quoque Deus producat terra animam
and said also Zeus Let be producing the earth the breathing
viventem in genere suo iumenta et
with life in the genera of them beasts of burden, and
reptilia et bestias terrae secundum
the creeping creatures, and the animals of the earth after
species suas factumque est ita et fecit Deus
the species of them, and this was to be thus. and made Zeus
bestias terrae iuxta species suas et
the beasts of the earth near to the species of them, and
iumenta et omne reptile terrae
the beasts of burden, and every creeping creature on earth
in genere suo et vidit Deus quod esset bonum
in the genera of them. and did see Zeus that it was a good thing.
et ait faciamus hominem ad imaginem et
and He said Let us make man after the image and
similitudinem nostram et praesit piscibus
similitude ours, and let them be presiding over the fish
maris et volatilibus caeli et
of the sea, and over the volant creatures of the air, and
bestiis universaeque terrae omnique
over the animals and universally the earth, and every
reptili quod movetur in terra
creeping creature that moves upon the earth.
et creavit Deus hominem ad imaginem suam ad
and created Zeus man after the image of Him, after
imaginem Dei creavit illum masculum et feminam
the image of the Gods created He him, masculine and feminine
creavit eos benedixitque illis Deus et ait
created He them. and gave benediction to him Zeus, and said
crescite et multiplicamini et replete
Be crescive, and multiply, and become replete
terram et subicite eam et dominamini
upon the earth, and subject her, and have dominion over
piscibus maris et volatilibus caeli et
the fish of the sea, and over the volant of the air, and
universis animantibus quae moventur super terram
universally over animate life which moves upon the earth.
dixitque Deus ecce dedi vobis omnem herbam
and said Zeus Behold, I have given to you every herb
adferentem semen super terram et universa ligna
producing seed upon the earth, and universally the tree
quae habent in semet ipsis sementem
which is having in itself his very own kind for sowing
generis sui ut sint vobis in escam
the genera of it, in order that it shall be to you for food.
et cunctis animantibus terrae omnique
even to the entirety of animate life on earth, to every
volucri caeli et universis quae
volant creature of the air, and universally to all which
moventur in terra et in quibus est anima vivens
moves upon the earth and in which to be the breath of life,
ut habeant ad
I have given this food in order that to be having toward
vescendum et factum est ita viditque Deus cuncta
to eat. and it was to be thus. and did see Zeus the entirety
quae fecit et erant valde bona et factum est
of which He had made, and it was very good. and it was to be
vespere et mane dies sextus" 24-31
evening and morning, day six.
(SATVRNI)
"igitur perfecti sunt caeli et terra et
therefore completed they were the heavens and the earth, and
omnis ornatus eorum conplevitque Deus die
all that was ornate of them. and completed Zeus by the day
septimo opus suum quod fecerat et requievit
seventh the work of Him which He had made. and He rested
die septimo ab universo opere quod
on the day seventh from His universal work which
patrarat et benedixit diei septimo
He had accomplished, and gave benediction for the day seventh
et sanctificavit illum quia in ipso cessaverat
and sanctified it, because in this very day He rested
ab omni opere suo quod creavit Deus ut
from all the work of His which created Zeus in order that
faceret istae generationes caeli et
to be making. these are the generations of the heavens and
terrae quando creatae sunt in die quo
of the earth when created they were in the day that
fecit Dominus Deus caelum et terram" 2:1-4
made the Dominant one Zeus the heaven and the earth.
--Genesis 1:1-31,2:1-4, editio Vulgata.
Personally, I think it's clear that the very well-educated royal
Hebrew-Egyptian priest Moses was talking about galactic creation,
formation and development throughout its lifespan, from galactic
cradle to grave, a process which assuredly takes a very long time,
billions and probably trillions of years for the largest galaxies.
E.g. creation of all suns, solar systems, and everything composing
this entire Milky Way galaxy, including the living solar system we
earthlings presently mortally live in, presently confined to planet
Earth--because we are sinners. Such wisdom was more commonplace in
more ancient times, Mayans, Babylonians, & the forbidden "A" word.
But nowadays, "fundie"-type Christians are apt to say they believe
in something, without really knowing what that thing is which they
claim to believe in. They'll say "I believe the bible". What bible
specifically do they believe in? And they'll say "I believe Jesus".
Really? For example, take a good hard look at Luke 19:27. Do they
STILL believe the testimony of Jesus? Or do they simply "pick and
choose" what to believe. You're right, that's not a question, but
is a conscientious and objective observation. The fundies believe
they get a "free ride". Boy, aren't they going to be disappointed.
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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I believe I'll have another beer.
Solo
"Non scrivetemi" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
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> >Surveyed Americans Believe in Biblical Truth
> >Sixty percent ... believe in the Genesis account of creation, which
> >tells us that God created the universe in six days.
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> Just curious.
Flush shite!
DannaLene
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>> What the hell does this god bullshit have to do with ghosts?
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There's a non sequitur for you if I ever heard one. What has one got to do
with the other?
Cricket
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Fuck off with your followup to poster!
Luke 1927
Do you know what happens to the Immortal souls of mortal Atheists
when their physical body dies, and the memory of it is bequeathed
to oblivion? Seriously, do you have even one clue what awaits you?
Because Atheists hate the Light of God, when they die their angry
souls get trapped in Dark Limbo, where they remain scared, afraid,
abjectly terrified of of the Light in which to see their horrific
future Judgment awaiting them.
Once the Atheist dies, only then do their souls begin to see that
God's Ten Commandments & Two Great Commandments (that all men are
Created equal), only then do the Atheists (& their CHRINO cousins)
see that everyone each one is Judged precisely according to their
works of good and works of evil. No exceptions. No exclusions. The
only difference is that those not written in the book of Life are
cast into the lake of Fire. You see, they had believed themselves
to be "special". They didn't see that as they did to the least of
their brethren, they had done to Jesus Christ. They failed to see
the Light, thus they failed to see that every human being that ever
lived is Jesus, and Jesus is every human being that ever lived, bar
none: each soul free to choose the Light, else to choose the Darkness.
As to see, the Atheists, the CHRINOs, hypocrites, self-aggrandizers,
mammon-worshippers, adulterers, etc., they chose poorly: they chose
the Darkness. And so they shall remain in Darkness for a very long
time to come. Because the Light is Perfect, thus illuminates their
every imperfection, every discordant aberration, every karmic mark,
every blot on their psychic aura. They each did this to themselves,
by the poor choices they had made in life--all those nasty habits,
all that hatred and rage. These Rabid wild beasts cannot be saved...
Thus it comes as no surprise that Atheists share the same fate as
their CHRINO cousins (Christians-in-name-only), because they had
all devoutly believed that they would get a "free ride" on their
dying day. Because, you see, they had all foolishly believed they
could attain lasting freedom without lasting responsibility. They
didn't believe in the Universal Law so they thought they could get
away with murder. They didn't understand that what mortal men sow,
so shall they reap. What badly-educated, arrogant fools they were!
They failed to realize that only the Sons of God are without sin,
thus they freely reap where they have not sowed, and gather where
they have not strawed [ref. Matthew 25:26]. Meaning, they are One
with the Light, reigning in the Empyrean at the right hand of Zeus,
not vulnerable to karma, because the Titan Lords of Karma bow down
to them reverently in exaltation. Atheists and CHRINOs apparently
had never actually read the bible, neither other prophetic works.
They were dumbed-down, bit, banished, misled by those who'd been
similarly misled down the Primrose Path, that luxurious alluring
highway of indulgence and good intentions which had paved their
road into Hell, into "where the woodbine twineth and the iceman
cometh not." They didn't know that their karmic indebtedness to
the Great Spirit, Holy Ghost, Mutable, Siva, Destroyer ergo the
"third part for evildoers", the third part of each of the four
triplicities, namely: Virgo (Earth), Gemini (Air), Sagittarius
(Fire), & Pisces (Water), the Atheists & CHRINOs didn't realize
that their indebtedness to the Great Spirit is not forgiven, not
in this world, neither in the world being eternally about. This
is because idiot Atheists believed that astrology (particularly
biblical astrology, judicial astrology) is "nothing but garbage
for brain-dead morons", "superstitious nonsense", "claptrap" ad
nauseam, whilst their CHRINO cousins similarly believed the Sun,
the Moon, and the Stars to be "demonic", "tricks of the devil",
"Satanic", "forbidden" ad nauseam. What total idiots they were!
Atheists fooled themselves. And with the end of the world imminent,
they don't have enough _time_ to repent, much less to practice the
Light, to practice heaven, and store up their treasures in heaven,
especially now that this old heaven and old earth is *about* to go
bye bye, and there will be no place anywhere on Earth for Atheists
to incarnate into the world of the fifth hoop, the fifth empire of
Jesus Christ & his Ecclesia. They'll be trapped in Dark Limbo, then
eventually Purgatory, for a long time to come...to the Ages of Ages!
When they finally do incarnate, they'll be worshipping before every
Christian's feet, and they will know Jesus hath loved his Ecclesia
[ref. Revelation 3:9, ibid]. Thus Atheists & CHRINOs shall do what
the Ecclesia of Jesus Christ tell them to do, and without argument. :-D
If you Atheists want to know what it's going to be like for you, in
Dark Limbo, in the hellish near-earth abode of (you) ungodly demons,
sojourning among the nine circles of the damned, read the delightful
excerpt copied below. I don't envy you. And I know you won't repent,
because the bible says you won't repent--to the bitter end, because
the over-inflated mortal Atheist ego doesn't leave any room for God.
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
Atheist "DannaLene" blasphemed:
>What the hell does this <snipped blasphemy> have to do with ghosts?
"But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to
the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment,
no longer going with a good-will, but as prisoners
driven by violence; to whom are sent the angels
appointed over them to reproach them and threaten
them with their terrible looks, and to thrust them
still downwards. Now those angels that are set over
these souls drag them into the neighborhood of hell
itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually
hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the
hot vapor itself; but when they have a near view of
this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great
prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful
expectation of a future judgment, and in effect
punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see
the place [or choir] of the fathers and of the just,
even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and
large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man
that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted,
nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to
attempt it, pass over it."--excerpt,'Discourse to the
Greeks concerning Hades'; Flavius Josephus (~37-95 AD)
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Phuk ewe!
Luke 1927
Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
Atheist "DannaLene" blasphemed:
Fujikawa Yamamoto
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> "Jebus" <je...@god.org> wrote in message
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>> On 29 Dec 2007, "DannaLene" <inv...@invalid.invalid> posted some
>> news:fl6ft7$v5c$1...@registered.motzarella.org:
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>>> What the hell does this god bullshit have to do with ghosts?
>>
>> There would be no ghosts if it weren't for God.
>
> There's a non sequitur for you if I ever heard one. What has one got
> to do with the other?
>
> Cricket
Sorta like scientific astrology...
Solo
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Morphing to avoid killfiles noted, asshole!
Chiron
You overlook that the OT was written in Hebrew and Aramaic. While it is
true that the word "Elohim" has a plural Hebrew ending, grammatically it is
used as a singular noun. In the first verse of Genesis, for example, it
says "In the beginning, Elohim created..." - but the created verb is
singular (he created) not plural (they created).
The Vulgate wasn't a particularly accurate translation of the Hebrew.
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HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY:
#15 Your pet rock snaps at you.
Delvia Logan
Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1] says...
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>PLease get this type of nonsense off the internet. Six days to make the
planet and the other planets around it. Your God must be one hell of a
scientist then. Please flush this type of internet shit. Delvia
RR1402
Whiner!