12 reasons not to read alt.tarot
Hieronymous707
this.
"There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices witchcraft, or a
soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures
spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who
do these things are an abomination to the Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12
2. This group's existence in cyberspace, not reality, doesn't diminish its
power to change beliefs and values. Virtual experiences can affect the mind and
memories as much, if not more, than actual experiences. Designed to stir
feelings and produce strong emotional responses, a newsgroup with likeable and
villainous characters can be far more memorable than the less exciting daily
reality. Small wonder alt.tarot's fans have been counting the days until the
next fantastic post on Tarot history, sorcery, divination, potions and spells.
"But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and
in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward."
Jeremiah 7:24
3. Those who sense that the occult world is evil face a choice: Resist peer
pressure or rationalize their imagined participation in alt.tarot's
"supernatural" virtual universe.
The second choice may quiet the nagging doubts, but rationalizing evil and
justifying sin will sear the conscience and shift one's perception of values
from God's perspective to a more "comfortable" cultural adaptation. People
easily learn to conform truth to multicultural ideals and turn God's values
upside down - just as did God's people in Old Testament days:
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness....
Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes,
And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:2-21
4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what is good." (Romans
12:9)
But when people adhere to the common usenet/alt.tarot tactic of flames and
retorts they are desensitizing their hearts and minds to its evil. Turning
God's truth upside down, they are learning to "love" what is evil. The natural
next step is to reject God's wise boundaries and "abhor" what He calls good.
"You love evil more than good ..." Psalm 52:3
5. Immersed in the values, or lack thereof, exhibited in alt.tarot, people
become spiritually blind. They lose their natural aversion for the devious
spirits represented by the puppet masters in this virtual world. Caught up in
the story, they absorb the suggested values and store the fascinating images in
their minds -- making the forbidden world of the occult tarot seem more normal
than the Kingdom of God.
"Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to
the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not
according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9
6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and
impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny. Fun fantasies and strategic
entertainment in a virtual world has a special way of altering values,
compromising beliefs and changing behavior in adults as well as in children.
This learning process has been named "edutainment" -- a favored way to train
multicultural citizens for the envisioned 21st century community. Its power to
influence beliefs and behavior is illustrated by today's marketing firms which
spend billions on entertaining ads that touch emotions, ignore the facts, yet
motivate people to buy the product.
"Turn away my eyes from looking at worthless things, and revive me in Your
way." Psalm 119:37
7. The main product marketed through this group is a belief system that clashes
with everything God offers us for our peace and security. This ideology comes
complete with tarot cards, computer and role playing games, all stamped with
symbols and focused on the occult, day and night. Such paraphernalia become
lures and doorways to deeper involvement with the occult.
In contrast, God calls a person "blessed" who - "walks not in the counsel of
the ungodly, nor stands in the path of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the
scornful;
"But his delight is in the law of the Lord, and in His law he meditates day and
night. Whatever he does shall prosper." Psalm 1:1-3
8. The implied source of power behind Tarot's magic tend to distort a person's
understanding of God. Words traditionally used to refer to occult tarot
practices become so familiar that people begin to apply the same terms to God
and His promised strength. Many learn to see Tarot as a power source that can
be manipulated with the right kind of rituals, and view its "miracles" as a
form of magick. They base their understanding of Tarot on their own feelings
and wants, not on God's revelation of Himself.
"You thought that I was altogether like you; but I will rebuke you...." Psalm
50:21
9. Blind to the true nature of Tarot, people will synthesize or blend Biblical
truth with the pagan beliefs and magickal practices demonstrated in this group.
In the end, you distort and destroy any remnant of true faith. For our God
cannot be molded to match pagan gods.
"For My people have committed two evils:
They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters,
And hewn themselves cisterns—broken cisterns that can hold no water."
Jeremiah 2:1
10. God tells us to "train up a child in the way He should go." It starts with
teaching them God's truths and training them all day long to see reality from
His, not the world's perspective. To succeed, we need to shield them from
contrary values until they know His Word and have memorized enough Scriptures
to be able to recognize and resist deception. Once they have learned to love
what God loves and see from His perspective, they will demonstrate their wisdom
by choosing to say "no" to alt.tarot.
"And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall
teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in
your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up."
Deuteronomy 6:6-7
11. While some argue that this and other posters demonstrate friendship,
integrity and honesty, they actually model how to lie and steal and get away
with it. Their examples only add to the cultural relativism embraced by most
people today who are honest when it doesn't cost anything, but who lie and
cheat when it serves their purpose.
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them
over to a debased [depraved] mind, to do those things which are not fitting....
They are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy,
unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God,
that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the
same but also approve of those who practice them." Romans 1:28-32
12. God has a better way. When His children choose to follow His ways, He gives
them a heart to love Him, spiritual eyes that can understand and delight in His
Word, a sense of His presence and a confidence in His constant care -- no
matter what happens around us. The deceptive thrills of alt.tarot are worse
than worthless when compared to the wonderful riches our Shepherd promises
those who will ignore evil and walk with Him.
"Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with
thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; and the peace of God,
which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through
Christ Jesus."
"Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble,
whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely,
whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is
anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things." Philippians 4:6-8
The above is intended "for edutainment purposes only".
It is adapted/stolen from an article by Berit Kjos titled _Twelve Reasons Not
to See the Harry Potter Movie_ and available here:
http://www.afa.net/culture/bk111601.asp
I don't think Berit was being satirical.
-hi-
Mad Hatter
>
> -hi-
Duh.
I couldn't think of one.
Mad Hatter
--
"Must ur bate urbate, eh?"
Hieronymous707
>Duh.
>I couldn't think of one.
"Spill not thy seed upon the ground" or at least clean up after yourself, and
don't expect me to shake your hand until after you've washed.
-hi-
White Rabbit
just ended the 4 of them and sow the film also
Lovely
Theo
Hieronymous707 wrote:
> 1. First of all, God simply doesn't like people messing around with stuff like
> this.
<SNIP>
>
> "There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices witchcraft, or a
> soothsayer,It is adapted/stolen from an article by Berit Kjos titled _Twelve
> Reasons Not
> to See the Harry Potter Movie_ and available here:
> http://www.afa.net/culture/bk111601.asp
>
> I don't think Berit was being satirical.
so much for him :-)
Me
>
>
> -hi-
-hi- u 2 :-)
--
"Nonsense is nonsense only when we have not yet found that point of view from which
it makes sense""
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure
about the former."
Albert Einstein
White Rabbit
but practice enhance the organ !
White Rabbit
Mad Hatter wrote:
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White Rabbit
talking with God
**************
Moshe: Yes God , you will give me the Tables of Law , yes thanks ..
You want to make of us your Elected People .. Thanks God !
eer ! Yes .. you.. you want to make a deal with us ?
ok! Yes !
What?
but.. To make the deal you want us to cut a piece of ..a..uh...A PIECE OF
WHAT???
:-)
Happy New Year!
( excerpt and free translation from "All about Jew humor" book )
White Rabbit
Hieronymous707 wrote:
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Hieronymous707
>Moshe on Sinai mountain
> talking with God
>**************
> Moshe: Yes God , you will give me the Tables of Law , yes thanks ..
>You want to make of us your Elected People .. Thanks God !
>
> eer ! Yes .. you.. you want to make a deal with us ?
> ok! Yes !
>What?
>but.. To make the deal you want us to cut a piece of ..a..uh...A PIECE OF
>WHAT???
Sounds like an old Bob Newhart routine.
> Happy New Year!
Yeah, same to you, pal.
-hi-
Joseph
>
> On 29 Dec 2001 14:59:37 GMT, hierony...@aol.com (Hieronymous707)
> wrote:
>
> >1. First of all, God simply doesn't like people messing around with stuff like
> >this.
> >
> the CHURCH doesn't like it because it helps create an open mind.
> --
> The Magpie
"If there is a God, atheism must seem to Him as less of an insult than religion."
Goncourt.
Jonessquid
They've been trying to convert me for the last 7 years! I got rid of then
after I nearly attacked them when they used one of their little doughters(5
years old!) to get me to open the door.
And now, with sadness in my heart i have to conclude that you bastards are
active one usenet too.
One thing that makes me a better person than you: I don't try to change
other people's beliefs as long as they don't ask for it.
an one thing; I DON'T BELIEVE IN A CHRISTIAN GOD!!! So all your arguments
are senseless.
I hope you can learn to bother other people,
- Jones Squid -
Hieronymous707 <hierony...@aol.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
20011229095937...@mb-fv.aol.com...
> And hewn themselves cisterns-broken cisterns that can hold no water."
> anything praiseworthy-meditate on these things." Philippians 4:6-8
Hieronymous707
1. >We have several of your kind at the door every week: Jehova's
>witnesses.
2. Who are "we", and what are "your kind"? I'm not a Jehovah's Witness,
specifically. Are you?
3. >They've been trying to convert me for the last 7 years! I got rid of
>then after I nearly attacked them when they used one of their little
>doughters(5 years old!) to get me to open the door.
4. Yeah, that would probably scare me too.
5. >And now, with sadness in my heart i have to conclude that you
>bastards are active one usenet too.
6. I've been here for several years, and have concluded that there are all
sorts of people on usenet. Some do indeed appear more legitimate than others.
7. >One thing that makes me a better person than you: I don't try to
>change other people's beliefs as long as they don't ask for it.
8. I have no doubt but that you are basically a good person, and I'm glad
you're feeling better, and I'm glad that I could help.
9. >an one thing; I DON'T BELIEVE IN A CHRISTIAN GOD!!! So all your >arguments
are senseless.
10. Who's arguing?
11. >I hope you can learn to bother other people,
12. We live and learn. Learn to discern.
-hi-
White Rabbit
Once I had someHindus that wanted to read my future
and spontaneously without thinking I said " sorry it is against my religion"
( no not specifie which one it is :-)) and if tehy ask answer MINE !
They pulled back immediatly!
the following time I had JW at the door
and again
I told them I was born Catholic and will die catholic
and I do not believe in it either!
They smiled and pulled back !
In the last 2 years I had this in the Internet also
3 times , and I just cut the discussion!
But what can you do? they have also the right to fishing for souls..
be smarter to skip their traps!
soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures > spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who > do these things are an abomination to the Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12 >
beside of the fact de that God 's Prophets were Soothsayers
,Joseph was a dream interpreter,
the killing of first born Egyptians was due to black magic ( blood
shed on doors of the Jew) to
protect them against the Angel od death !
Magicians that brought Gifts to Jesus were Magician astrologers
and Prophets were Soothsayers and Moise's rod
was a magic stick!
Angels were used by God to announce the future quite often ..
so?
When and why did religion start laying about
magic and magicians?
Theo
Jonessquid wrote:
We have several of your kind at the door every week: Jehova's witnesses.They've been trying to convert me for the last 7 years! I got rid of then
after I nearly attacked them when they used one of their little doughters(5
years old!) to get me to open the door.
<SNIP>
Paul Hume
>
Tut tut...can't tell the players without a scorecard. Hieronymous has
been on the group for years, and shares a pet peeve with several other
regulars (even when they disgree to the death on other things), to
wit: people who come on and tremulously ask whether it is OK for
Christians to read Tarot, and start getting pedantic about how Tarot
isn't occultism so they can salve their fears about it, etc. etc.
All the popular modes of divination are plagued (like dogs that get
around pick up fleas) with people who grab on and try to "sanitize"
them in various ways. From Ralph Blum's inane fiddling with the runes,
to the nitwitted attempts to create politically correct Tarots, to
comforting blather for Christians who want to think they are faithful
to their religion's doctrines while co-opting oracular (or other
magical) systems that are explicitly forbidden in those same
doctrines, to self-serving declarations that "spiritual truths" belong
to everyone to make white bread "shamans" feel better about playing
Hollywood whoo-whoo-whoo-Indian with native tribal religions.
Problem with deadpan irony is that it is often taken at face value and
consequently misinterpreted (look at all the people online right now
who think Mother Henrietta Hickey is a real fundamentalist Christian
proselytizer).
Paul
J. Karlin
> > We have several of your kind at the door every week: Jehova's witnesses.
> Tut tut...can't tell the players without a scorecard.
Do you have a scorecard, Paul?
> Hieronymous has been on the group for years---
Yeah, but not as Hieronymous.
> , and shares a pet peeve with several other
> regulars---
The pet peeve would have to be stolen property
for him to have any interest in "sharing" it.
> (even when they disgree to the death on other things), to
> wit: people who come on and tremulously ask whether it is OK for
> Christians to read Tarot---
That has nothing to do with what he posted, Paul.
He plagiarized another website because he likes to steal
and "get away with it."
As for Christians reading Tarot, no one should be peeved
at their asking us whether or not it's OK, although it is
interesting they're asking us instead of their supposed
spiritual leaders.
> , and start getting pedantic about how Tarot
> isn't occultism---
Tarot isn't occultism. It's a pack of cards.
> All the popular modes of divination are plagued---
Good.
Then people should probably avoid them.
> Problem with deadpan irony is---
---it's about one thing, and what Hieronymous707 was doing
was about something else, which fooled even you, and no
doubt a lot of other dweebs. I suppose there is something
ironic in that, however coincidental it might be.
(jk)
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Asiya
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> Paul Hume wrote:
>
> As for Christians reading Tarot, no one should be peeved
> at their asking us whether or not it's OK, although it is
> interesting they're asking us instead of their supposed
> spiritual leaders.
They know what their spiritual leaders would say.
> > Problem with deadpan irony is---
>
> ---it's about one thing, and what Hieronymous707 was doing
> was about something else, which fooled even you, and no
> doubt a lot of other dweebs. I suppose there is something
> ironic in that, however coincidental it might be.
I simply ignored it because I have no idea what he was trying to do,
which seems to be a pattern...
Asiya
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Eat the meatballs to email me.
White Rabbit
why do not start this new year trying to be positive nice helpful
progress in
Tarot learning and avoiding to smear shit on the others in Alt .tarot
?
we spent 10 wonderful peaceful days why not to continue?!
If Alt Tarot has a bad reputation each of us has probably a part of
responsability.. so why not to change!
Just a silly idea maybe
Theo
Asiya wrote:
--
carolyn cain
Jk wrote:
>As for Christians reading Tarot, no one should be
>peeved at their asking us whether or not it's OK,
>although it is interesting they're asking us instead of
>their supposed spiritual leaders.
Heh, that's because they already 'know' the answer they'll get from
orthodox clergy. They're either looking for a second opinion with a
good argument to convince them of what they want to do anyway or they're
trying to entrap anyone who responds positively....you know, one more
demon offering for their Savior?!
Sometimes they'll feed on you for all the information they can get
*free*, of course....then when you refuse to play their game anymore
they call you Mrs. Anti-Christ and run nark you out to their local
church
and then the real fun begins! But, that isn't to say there are no
sincere ones.
Karen Cain
Asiya
news:3C30DDAF...@ch.inter.net...
> Asiya wrote:
> > "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C30B0A1...@texas.net...
> >
> > >
> > > ---it's about one thing, and what Hieronymous707 was doing
> > > was about something else, which fooled even you, and no
> > > doubt a lot of other dweebs. I suppose there is something
> > > ironic in that, however coincidental it might be.
> >
> > I simply ignored it because I have no idea what he was trying to do,
> > which seems to be a pattern...
>
> why do not start this new year trying to be positive nice helpful
Helpful is good; "positive and nice" sounds awfully fluffy.
> progress in Tarot learning
Amen, Theo.
>avoiding to smear shit on the others in Alt .tarot?
I simply want to know the truth, having the naive tendency to only see
the best in people.
> we spent 10 wonderful peaceful days why not to continue?!
It's been awfully boring 'round here lately.
> If Alt Tarot has a bad reputation each of us has probably a part of
> responsability.. so why not to change!
> Just a silly idea maybe
Focus on your own actions and don't worry about what others are doing.
Asiya
news:15178-3C3...@storefull-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Jk wrote:
>
> >As for Christians reading Tarot, no one should be
> >peeved at their asking us whether or not it's OK,
> >although it is interesting they're asking us instead of
> >their supposed spiritual leaders.
>
> Heh, that's because they already 'know' the answer they'll get from
> orthodox clergy. They're either looking for a second opinion with a
> good argument to convince them of what they want to do anyway
Funny how that is something that Christians do regarding lots of things.
> or they're
> trying to entrap anyone who responds positively....you know, one more
> demon offering for their Savior?!
One can only entrap those who see danger in their activities.
> Sometimes they'll feed on you for all the information they can get
> *free*, of course....then when you refuse to play their game anymore
> they call you Mrs. Anti-Christ and run nark you out to their local
> church
> and then the real fun begins! But, that isn't to say there are no
> sincere ones.
heh Sounds like this has happened to you before.
White Rabbit
this is my motto ..
BTW accordion my Financial zine friday the 28th of december
the new Minister of Justice
in Afghanistan , Mr. Abdhul Rahim Karimi stated things have changed after
the fall of Tailbones
Charia( Koranic law ) will be mildly applied !
i.e.:
Public Executions,lapidations and amputations will continue but dead
bodies will be
exhibited only 15 minutes instead of 4 days as Talibas did
Unfaithful people men and women will be lapidated as before but with smaller
stones ( how nice)
A deep change in Charia might be misunderstood and lead people back to
terrorism ?????????
It is nice to bring civilization and set people free!
Theo
carolyn cain wrote:
--
White Rabbit
Asiya wrote:
> "White Rabbit" <"ByJokeŽ"@ch.inter.net> wrote in message
> news:3C30DDAF...@ch.inter.net...
> > Asiya wrote:
> > > "J. Karlin" <r3wi...@texas.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3C30B0A1...@texas.net...
> > >
> > > > > Problem with deadpan irony is---
> > > >
> > > > ---it's about one thing, and what Hieronymous707 was doing
> > > > was about something else, which fooled even you, and no
> > > > doubt a lot of other dweebs. I suppose there is something
> > > > ironic in that, however coincidental it might be.
> > >
> > > I simply ignored it because I have no idea what he was trying to do,
> > > which seems to be a pattern...
> >
> > My dear friends
> > why do not start this new year trying to be positive nice helpful
>
> Helpful is good; "positive and nice" sounds awfully fluffy.
you prefer action than!
>
>
> > progress in Tarot learning
>
> Amen, Theo.
well we had nice and interesting discussions lately with Starwoman and
Tiny Ibis, you, Rima ,Jam
es and many new others people that I did not mention here but I have in
esteeem as well !
>
>
> >avoiding to smear shit on the others in Alt .tarot?
>
> I simply want to know the truth, having the naive tendency to only see
> the best in people.
truth :-) a Chimere the best in people .. everybody has something valid
to say.. one has just to pick it up!
>
>
> > we spent 10 wonderful peaceful days why not to continue?!
>
> It's been awfully boring 'round here lately.
I am sorry I disgree but it is my personal opinion we have probably
different taste !
>
>
> > If Alt Tarot has a bad reputation each of us has probably a part of
> > responsability.. so why not to change!
> > Just a silly idea maybe
>
> Focus on your own actions and don't worry about what others are doing.
I do not worry about what the others are doing unless they stomp on my
feet..
If you noticed nobody aggressed me lately and I did not aggress back !
and if someone starts fireflaming I stay out of the discussion unless I
am attacked!
have a nice day
Theo
>
>
> Asiya
> **********
> www.geocities.com/shadowsofasiya/
> Eat the meatballs to email me.
--
Asiya
> Asiya wrote:
> > "White Rabbit" <"ByJokeŽ"@ch.inter.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C30DDAF...@ch.inter.net...
> >
> > > why do not start this new year trying to be positive nice helpful
> >
> > Helpful is good; "positive and nice" sounds awfully fluffy.
>
> you prefer action than!
The more action, the better.
> > >avoiding to smear shit on the others in Alt .tarot?
> >
> > I simply want to know the truth, having the naive tendency to only
see
> > the best in people.
>
> truth :-) a Chimere the best in people .. everybody has something
valid
> to say.. one has just to pick it up!
In a way I agree with that. Everyone is a "teacher" in their own unique
way, even if they just teach the point of, "don't try this at home
kids".
Practically speaking, sometimes the bullshit outweighs the valid shit.
When that's the case, it's difficult to tell which is which sometimes,
unless I already have knowledge on the subject.
> > > we spent 10 wonderful peaceful days why not to continue?!
> >
> > It's been awfully boring 'round here lately.
>
> I am sorry I disgree but it is my personal opinion we have probably
> different taste !
How dare you disagree with me! It's my way or the highway! :p j/k
> > Focus on your own actions and don't worry about what others are
doing.
>
> I do not worry about what the others are doing unless they stomp on
my
> feet..
> If you noticed nobody aggressed me lately and I did not aggress back
!
> and if someone starts fireflaming I stay out of the discussion
unless I
> am attacked!
Flame wars are entertaining, unless it's yourself that's being flamed.
:)
> have a nice day
Happy New Year!
robin
carolyn cain <Night...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> >As for Christians reading Tarot, no one should be
> >peeved at their asking us whether or not it's OK,
> >although it is interesting they're asking us instead of
> >their supposed spiritual leaders.
>
> Heh, that's because they already 'know' the answer they'll
get from
> orthodox clergy.
And you can hardly blame them for their opinions.
You could try blaming yourself and all the others who write
and promote stupidity of the subject.
Hieronymous707
>And you can hardly blame them for their opinions.
To which them are you referring, them clergy or them readers?
>You could try blaming yourself and all the others who write
>and promote stupidity of the subject.
You either blame yourself and all others who write, or you don't.
-Trying- to blame somebody really doesn't amount to much more than a waste of
time, and is really kind of stupid.
Or is that what you're blaming somebody for, wasting your time and making you
look stupid?
Seems like there's enough blame for that to go all the way around, don't you
think?
I know I'm not blameless. I've probably wasted a lot of time here, and Lord
knows I'm guilty of making you look stupid, and for that I apologize. That was
never specifically my intent. It was more of a fringe benefit.
But listen, I'm willing to get past all that if you are.
What do you say, Robin?
-hi-
White Rabbit
Happy New Year :
Asiya wrote:
> "White Rabbit" <"ByJokeŽ"@ch.inter.net> wrote in message
> news:3C317086...@ch.inter.net...
> > Asiya wrote:
> > > "White Rabbit" <"ByJokeŽ"@ch.inter.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3C30DDAF...@ch.inter.net...
> > >
>
> In a way I agree with that. Everyone is a "teacher" in their own unique
> way, even if they just teach the point of, "don't try this at home
> kids".
well someone might succeed where others failed but that's another story !
>
>
> Practically speaking, sometimes the bullshit outweighs the valid shit.
> When that's the case, it's difficult to tell which is which sometimes,
> unless I already have knowledge on the subject.
true.. but drops make rivers, and logic and intuition help !
>
>
> > > > we spent 10 wonderful peaceful days why not to continue?!
> > >
> > > It's been awfully boring 'round here lately.
> >
> > I am sorry I disgree but it is my personal opinion we have probably
> > different taste !
>
> How dare you disagree with me! It's my way or the highway! :p j/k
freedom of speech I guess ! 1st amendment?
>
>
> > > Focus on your own actions and don't worry about what others are
> doing.
> >
> > I do not worry about what the others are doing unless they stomp on
> my
> > feet..
> > If you noticed nobody aggressed me lately and I did not aggress back
> !
> > and if someone starts fireflaming I stay out of the discussion
> unless I
> > am attacked!
>
> Flame wars are entertaining, unless it's yourself that's being flamed.
> :)
well everytime I face it according the current situation ..
when I am faulty I do not mind to apologize..
did you recover of the last feasting night :-)
Theo
Juan Herberto
Got Problems?
Get RIDOVEM
carolyn cain
Asiya wrote:
><<They're either looking for a second opinion with a
>good argument to convince them of what they want
>to do anyway>>
>Funny how that is something that Christians do
>regarding lots of things.
I think we all do that to some extent, independent of religious focus,
concerning matters we're unsure of.
No matter how independent we think we become there's always someone we
seek approval from.
><<or they're
>trying to entrap anyone who responds
>positively....you know, one more
>demon offering for their Savior?!>>
>One can only entrap those who see danger in their
>activities.
And yet, seeing the danger is, at one level, the only hope one has of
out foxing the fox and not getting snared, at least temporarily.
><<Sometimes they'll feed on you for all the
>information they can get *free*, of course....then
>when you refuse to play their game anymore they
>call you Mrs. Anti-Christ and run nark you out to
>their local church
>and then the real fun begins! But, that isn't to say
>there are no sincere ones.>>
>heh Sounds like this has happened to you before.
No, not me personally....but I've seen it done to some of my former
associates. Worst I got was that some 'ladies' were too intimidated by
my name in conjunction with use of the Thoth deck (I was the only one
that used that deck locally at the time). They'd heard I was a good
reader and wanted to check me out so they pulled rank on me to try to
force me to change my name so they could feel more secure (or so I was
told). I laughed and said I thought they needed a different reader,
thank-you!
>Asiya
>**********
Karen Cain
carolyn cain
Robin wrote:
>And you can hardly blame them for their opinions.
I rarely blame people for their opinions and even make effort to
understand why they hold certain opinions. But, in speaking of biblical
matters, I really don't understand the reason for aversions to tarot
cards, etc. Seems there's a lot of the same stuff going on among the
'chosen'.....it's just called by a different name. (not cards, per se
but prophesy, dream divination, astrology, stage magic, and so on).
>You could try blaming yourself and all the others
>who write and promote stupidity of the subject.
I do not deliberately write or promote stupidity of the subject. Just
because we come at the matter from different angles does not mean that I
have less respect for the subject than you do. I've actually been
courageous enough to give my opinion of what things might mean on
several occasions. I'm sorry that my search for truth and my
willingness to share the points of said search with others is so beneath
your scholarship on the subject.....seeing that you feel that way,
challenge my stupidity and let's get to it. Here, I'll make the next
step real easy for you....."give me something that's not hard, c'mon
c'mon, give me something that's not hard, c'mon c'mon....give me air,
give me air, give me air." Yoko Ono.
Karen Cain
White Rabbit
carolyn cain wrote:
> Asiya wrote:
>
> ><<They're either looking for a second opinion with a
> >good argument to convince them of what they want
> >to do anyway>>
>
> >Funny how that is something that Christians do
> >regarding lots of things.
>
> I think we all do that to some extent, independent of religious focus,
> concerning matters we're unsure of.
> No matter how independent we think we become there's always someone we
> seek approval from.
true , what is very important is to get rid of this "need"
When you honestly know your thinking is true must not care of the others
opinions , often people dispprove
your thoughts because of jelousy or as they cannot get exactly what you
mean, read my sig :-)
> >snip>
>
> No, not me personally....but I've seen it done to some of my former
> associates. Worst I got was that some 'ladies' were too intimidated by
> my name in conjunction with use of the Thoth deck (I was the only one
> that used that deck locally at the time). They'd heard I was a good
> reader and wanted to check me out so they pulled rank on me to try to
> force me to change my name so they could feel more secure (or so I was
> told). I laughed and said I thought they needed a different reader,
> thank-you!
But Jesus was making Miracles and forecasting about his destiny about
Judas about Peter about lot of things ..
even if inspired by God as his Son he was a Prophet and magician
( Canaan marriage , miracles of multiplications of breads fishes and
wine, Lazarus , the
blind man ..the wounded soldier and so on ..
So why Astrologers tarot readers or others psychics wouldn't be
considered in a minor extent
as " inspired by God" as it was in all ancient religions?
as soon as something comes out of the "normality" is labeled "devil"
These "holy water frogs" are pretty ignorant about the religion they
believe in
.. or fundamentally dishonest to ignore it ,unless all these reported
miracles are another religious hoax !
Theo
>
>
> >Asiya
> >**********
>
> Karen Cain
--
Asiya
> Asiya wrote:
>
> ><<They're either looking for a second opinion with a
> >good argument to convince them of what they want
> >to do anyway>>
>
> >Funny how that is something that Christians do
> >regarding lots of things.
>
> I think we all do that to some extent, independent of religious focus,
> concerning matters we're unsure of.
> No matter how independent we think we become there's always someone we
> seek approval from.
That is why there are "experts" and "authorities" in various fields.
That's not a matter of dependency, but a matter of admitting you may not
know everything. Intuition without reason doesn't always work.
But as far as religious/spiritual beliefs and activities go, I say fuck
needing anyone's "approval" or permission. Many of these things defy
reason according to those on the outside looking in or those with closed
minds.
> ><<or they're
> >trying to entrap anyone who responds
> >positively....you know, one more
> >demon offering for their Savior?!>>
>
> >One can only entrap those who see danger in their
> >activities.
>
> And yet, seeing the danger is, at one level, the only hope one has of
> out foxing the fox and not getting snared, at least temporarily.
That's true.
carolyn cain
Theo wrote:
>But Jesus was making Miracles and forecasting
>about his destiny about Judas about Peter about lot
>of things ..
Yes, and Jesus said that all things he did in flesh, we were also
capable of doing. We actually don't know what is truth and what is hoax
but we're given a promise that we will know all before we have to
choose....or so I was given to understand. There's nothing that can't
be washed away prior to that point. This idea doesn't sell religion
very well though, so it meets with instant, vehement opposition (often).
>even if inspired by God as his Son he was a
>Prophet and magician ( Canaan marriage , miracles
>of multiplications of breads fishes and wine,
>Lazarus , the
>blind man ..the wounded soldier and so on ..
>So why Astrologers tarot readers or others
>psychics wouldn't be
>considered in a minor extent
>as " inspired by God" as it was in all ancient
>religions? as soon as something comes out of the
>"normality" is labeled "devil" These "holy water
>frogs" are pretty ignorant about the religion they
>believe in
Well, for some, it's the point where the dollar gets into the equation
that's the turn-off (though tithes seem of the same basic concept and we
don't even want to talk about 'love offerings' that are coerced beyond
tithes, even) but, for others, even a free service will be disdained. I
suppose they think we're meddling with things we should avoid at all
costs....but....certain religions have a practice wherein they 'bind'
all things not in conformity with their standard (think the Catholics
just magically slay them, right?). There is no way to deny that that is
a magical act and, if effective, one of detriment to other beings.
So, with that in mind one can begin to debunk the assumption that it is
good vs. evil and realize that it bottom lines at my way vs. yours among
the various factions. Each person believes they are the good and the
other is the evil or vice versa. To me it devides into acts of benefit
or acts of detriment, independent of which walls house the act. There
are, in fact, several Christian denominations that I don't know 'how'
they reconcile the water into wine since they are totally opposed to any
form of alcohol.
>.. or fundamentally dishonest to ignore it ,unless all
>these reported miracles are another religious hoax !
Imagine how it must have been for a man like Edgar Cayce to be devoutly
religious and then start receiving trance information that was in direct
(and at that time somewhat dangerous) contrast to his religious
up-bringing. While we can't know with certainty about the New
Testament miracles, there is data on the Cayce readings wherein
miraculous type cures were claimed. So, I think maybe he wasn't at the
level of Jesus.....but he was a much closer approach than average,
maybe. Also, so far as my limited research has taken me, there is no
indication that Cayce denounced his spirituality...he just gained much
more insight into it.
His (Cayce's) record is still fresh enough to track some of the cases
and there are many others that I believe could also show some merit.
The thing is, we allow no margin for error. If someone shows any sign
of this type of ability, one mistake will destroy their credibility (to
many people).
I knew a woman briefly that had studied under Cayce (or so she told me
and I had/have no reason to doubt her). Actually, she said he picked
her out of a group when she was quite young telling her (in different
words) that she had the gift. IIRC, it was a Sunday school group. Her
father was horrified and adamantly opposed at first but did finally
agree to the training....it just was not to be spoken of, at all!
Even to this day....there is often a situation where many who have some
ability are isolated and told to keep it to themselves. Most of the
places you can go to learn anything about it have bad reputations and
attract at least as many 'strangely deranged' as ones trying to
understand actual manifestations of any kind, beneficial to bona fide
research.
The woman's name was Eva. When I met her she was in her 80's....mostly
living quietly away from mainstream society. She was a fee-paid
medium.
>Theo
Karen Cain
White Rabbit
very interesting , and while reading I realized something ..
We often use the world magic for whatever and it is is in my opinion silly
as magic implies trichery ..
Religion recognize the events out of the *physical laws" as * Miracles*
and not *magic*
Miracles comes from God and by consequence " magic" from evil,
when a *miracle * still happens today as in Lourdes the
Church goes very slowly before recognizing it and quite often many years
later
I have seen a full interesting TV broadcasting about miracoulous
recovery..
Most of Miracles happens with French people :-)
When a common person like us does something out of thenorm even
psychic reading ,
that is after all a natural skill that most of people has ,
religion cannot consider it as emanating from God
as God speaks only through the Pope or acts directly(miracles)
in this way Church short cut and declares out of law all possible
concurrence..
Before church also eliminate them physically with fire and murder and
later with
social killing using excomunication!
carolyn cain wrote:
--
White Rabbit
second part was missing )
very interesting , and while reading I realized something ..
We often use the world magic for whatever and it is is in my opinion silly
as magic implies trickery ..
Religion recognize the events out of the *physical laws" as * Miracles*
and not *magic*
Miracles comes from God and by consequence " magic" from evil,
when a *miracle * still happens today as in Lourdes the
Church goes very slowly before recognizing it and quite often many years
later
I have seen a full interesting TV broadcasting about miraculous
recovery..
Most of Miracles happens with French people :-)
When a common person like us does something out of the norm even
psychic reading ,
that is after all a natural skill that most of people has ,
religion cannot consider it as emanating from God
as God speaks only through the Pope or acts directly (miracles)
in this way Church short cut and declares out of law all possible
concurrence..
Before church also eliminate them physically with fire and murder and
later with
social killing using excommunication!
carolyn cain wrote:
> Theo wrote:
>
> >But Jesus was making Miracles and forecasting
> >about his destiny about Judas about Peter about lot
> >of things ..
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Even to this day....there is often a situation where many who have some
> ability are isolated and told to keep it to themselves. Most of the
> places you can go to learn anything about it have bad reputations and
> attract at least as many 'strangely deranged' as ones trying to
> understand actual manifestations of any kind, beneficial to bona fide
> research.
>
> The woman's name was Eva. When I met her she was in her 80's....mostly
> living quietly away from mainstream society. She was a fee-paid
> medium.
We had a very good Dominican religion teacher at school that never talked
about these paranormal things as * devil manifestation* .. but as
revelation of inner faculties
but of course beside of some open minded persons there are hundreds of
bigots
obscured minds... and we have to live with !
Theo
carolyn cain
Theo wrote:
>When a common person like us does something out
>of thenorm even
>psychic reading ,
>that is after all a natural skill that most of people
>has , religion cannot consider it as emanating from
>God
First, about the French....that is interesting. According to one
program I watched long ago, it is possible that Jesus had a lineage in
France. I have no personal opinion on the matter.
The reason I used Cayce as an example is due to his (so far as I know)
retaining his religious affiliations while becoming what was termed "The
Sleeping Prophet." According to the records he left behind, he gave
methods that brought about cures for a number of people through his
trance readings.
One particular one that I recall vividly was a male child considered
hopeless by the numerous doctors that had seen him prior to being cured
by trance instructions. Cayce was hit with mal-practice over it.
The point I was really going for was that, though Cayce may have
maintained guarded acceptance in his religious circles....once he
started speaking of reincarnation, Atlantis, and some other matters he
was definitely outside the accepted standards. Who can say with
certainty that the practice of 'binding' that which is outside said
standards didn't have some effect on him? Also, the act of 'binding'
as I understand it, would qualify as magic rather than miracle....if
effective.
Also, I would tend to question why only miracles can be considered from
God? If Prophets were real in biblical times....why would God cease to
send Prophets to guide people?
>as God speaks only through the Pope or acts
>directly(miracles) in this way Church short cut and
>declares out of law all possible
>concurrence..
There again, according to Christian text Jesus speaks through....God
only speaks through Jesus.
As I understand it, woman was denied direct access to God in biblical
times, having to be spoken for by her father or husband and at the
coming of Christ what went around, came around for man. <grin>
Actually, when you really dwell on that text...a woman born to a less
than noble father didn't have much of a chance and even if that turned
out good, if she became widowed without a male child she was in serious
trouble unless she could go back to her father's house. There is text
that says that if her husband didn't back her up, God would forgive her,
though.
>Before church also eliminate them physically with
>fire and murder and later with
>social killing using excomunication!
Yeah, what was it I read....4000 burned in a single day once, mostly
women and children? I've always wondered if that was a true statistic?
Karen Cain
White Rabbit
carolyn cain wrote:
> Theo wrote:
>
> >When a common person like us does something out
> >of thenorm even
> >psychic reading ,
> >that is after all a natural skill that most of people
> >has , religion cannot consider it as emanating from
> >God
>
> First, about the French....that is interesting. According to one
> program I watched long ago, it is possible that Jesus had a lineage in
> France. I have no personal opinion on the matter.
Well Celtic people apparently have been everywhere around the old
Mediterranean ( and north Africa
region and Jesus as from this reason should look more in the dark skin
than fair skin..
AND I hope it not as French are so self considered that if that
possibility might be true
they will get even more pretentious:-)
We say " Africa has its monkeys and Europe has his French(ys)"
>
>
> The reason I used Cayce as an example is due to his (so far as I know)
> retaining his religious affiliations while becoming what was termed "The
> Sleeping Prophet." According to the records he left behind, he gave
> <SNIP>
>
> Also, I would tend to question why only miracles can be considered from
> God? If Prophets were real in biblical times....why would God cease to
> send Prophets to guide people?
well all come form God all goes back to God god has the Verb, the sound (
Ghimel) to create
the point is that God sent Jesus as his son that was ending the line of
prophets predicting his advent on earth
So for the New Testament the prophecy is accomplished and Jesus is the son
of God
For the Jew Jesus is just one among others prophets and they still wait
for him to come!
this is why the disagreement between the one that believed the
prophecy
unfolded and t become Christians and Jew that remain attached to the OLD
testament and still wait ..
in fact no others prophets appeared since beside of some mad enlighten
goat that try to make
bucks on the believers back !
>
>
> >as God speaks only through the Pope or acts
> >directly(miracles) in this way Church short cut and
> >declares out of law all possible
> >concurrence..
>
> There again, according to Christian text Jesus speaks through....God
> only speaks through Jesus.
> As I understand it, woman was denied direct access to God in biblical
> times, having to be spoken for by her father or husband and at the
> coming of Christ what went around, came around for man. <grin>
>
well it was a Patriarchal society so men had power
before it was a Matriarchal society and God was a woman :-)
God has no sex in reality but he is depicted as an old man ..
Well we should lift his robe and see underneath if there is clouds or
other..:-)
>
> Actually, when you really dwell on that text...a woman born to a less
> than noble father didn't have much of a chance and even if that turned
> out good, if she became widowed without a male child she was in serious
> trouble unless she could go back to her father's house. There is text
> that says that if her husband didn't back her up, God would forgive her,
> though.
well there is hot and blood run quick and whatever related to sex heats
the blood quickly ..
so women were kept under control to avoid libertinage !
>
>
> >Before church also eliminate them physically with
> >fire and murder and later with
> >social killing using excomunication!
>
> Yeah, what was it I read....4000 burned in a single day once, mostly
> women and children? I've always wondered if that was a true statistic?
I was not there fortunately :-) , but I read many years ago books about
inquisition and they
were bloody thirsty mad monks..
Priests are black dressed to avoid their black soul see through..
Bishops are red dressed in remind of the blood they made shed..
The Pope is white dressed to look " Candid"
:-)
have a nice day
The
carolyn cain
Robin wrote:
>You could try blaming yourself and all the others
>who write and promote stupidity of the subject.
Robin,
I'm sorry....you caught me when I was in a worse mood than I realized
and I lashed out at you.
I'm probably the least formally educated person posting to this forum
and I had no writing experience other than some personal correspondences
before arriving here. Perhaps I'm a bit hyper-sensitive in that area.
Please, no sympathy or you're breakfast....raw and aware of your plight,
just like yoghurt !!!
I did study Thoth tarot for eleven years, mostly on a daily basis
(nightly actually) for several hours per day prior to going to work in
the field for five years. I didn't study with the intent to ever go
public, but because the subject interested me....it still does. I would
never deliberately 'promote stupidity' concerning the subject. I'm
still a student and, as such, I'm going to come up with some off the
wall ideas at times, some of which will later be refined or rejected.
Sometimes it really helps to converse with others concerning these
'ideas' that pop in....we should be able to bounce things back and
forth, otherwise, at least one of the purposes of such a forum is
defeated.
What you wrote struck me as a bit slanderous in presentation and without
even a focal point for me to respond to. It was a jab....meant to
provoke response....I think you know what you're doing when you do these
type things. But, that doesn't excuse my reaction completely.
PS. I always did kinda like the Yoko song...guess I'll just have to
bear it if you get down on me for that.
Karen Cain
Crudpuppy
>> program I watched long ago, it is possible that Jesus had a lineage in
>> France. I have no personal opinion on the matter.
That is from the Holy Blood, Holy Grail series of blitherings. I can't
remember the folks who actually produced the documentaries and books that
started the idea, but it was interesting if slightly bizarre.
Crud
Crudpuppy
>>peeved at their asking us whether or not it's OK,
>>although it is interesting they're asking us instead of
>>their supposed spiritual leaders.
Well I haven't seen many of their spiritual leaders giving burnt offerings
following a woman's menstruation or conception either.Check Leviticus 12. So,
I think the final rule is ya pick those bits from the OT that are personally
acceptable and reject those that aren't. Cause I haven't seen a run on
turtledove's at the local pet store every month that shows selective perception
is the rule applied here.
; )
Crud
White Rabbit
comes from God and their blood is blue..
I wonder why revolutionary walked on Pont Neuf for !
ça ira ! ça iIra ! ça ira !
allons enfants de la patrie le jour de gloire est arrivé!
Theo
Crudpuppy wrote:
--
J. Karlin
> >>As for Christians reading Tarot, no one should be
> >>peeved at their asking us whether or not it's OK,
> >>although it is interesting they're asking us instead of
> >>their supposed spiritual leaders.
> Well I haven't seen many of their spiritual leaders giving burnt offerings
> following a woman's menstruation or conception either.Check Leviticus 12. So,
> I think the final rule is ya pick those bits from the OT that are personally
> acceptable and reject those that aren't.
For whom is this "final rule" of yours intended?
And where in the OT, or the NT for that matter, is one told
he can reject those parts of the Bible he doesn't like?
If you believe in the Bible as the word of God, and you
then reject that word, you have committed a mortal sin.
The Bible identifies divination as a mortal sin as well.
Again, that is not a concern for people who are not
believers, but it certainly should be a concern (or at
least of some pertinent interest) for people who are.
> Cause I haven't seen a run on turtledove's at the local pet store---
When the Temple is rebuilt, perhaps you shall.
Christians make runs on eucharistic products, in accord
with the command that they symbolically consume the
blood and body of Christ (as sacrificed dove).
(jk)
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FYI
Sacrificed "Lamb "not Dove.
This is why at Easter christians eat Lamb, in many catholic representations
the lamb is resting and having crossed banner
The dove is a protestant representation of the "holy ghost" for Cristians AND
Calvinist Protestant
Protestant make out of a dove keeping a Malta cross in the beak their symbol
of faith and carry it hangin on a necklet !
Theo
"J. Karlin" wrote:
> <snip>
>
> When the Temple is rebuilt, perhaps you shall.
>
> Christians make runs on eucharistic products, in accord
> with the command that they symbolically consume the
> blood and body of Christ (as sacrificed dove).
>
> (jk)
>
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Crudpuppy
For all the people who claim to be pious yet do not follow every word of the
Bible: this is %100 of all Christians/Jews I have ever seen. Nobody follows
any of the laws laid down in Leviticus and yet that is part of the Bible and a
very specific set of rules one is enjoined to abide by, and yet nobody does.
Therefor the rule is, in practice, everyone pretty much does what they wish.
It isn't in the Bible but in the breach that it is practiced.
>
>And where in the OT, or the NT for that matter, is one told
>he can reject those parts of the Bible he doesn't like?
Nowhere, see above for explanation of hypocracy or insanity as one chooses to
so interpret it.
>If you believe in the Bible as the word of God, and you
>then reject that word, you have committed a mortal sin.
There are all kinds of groovy sins in the Bible that people commit on a daily
basis. What is yer point?
>Christians make runs on eucharistic products, in accord
>with the command that they symbolically consume the
>blood and body of Christ (as sacrificed dove).
Yes but I have seen none of them following the rules laid down in Leviticus,
and these are rules that go along with the Big Ten as I like to refer to the
Decalogue. I don;t know of many churches that advocate a period of cleansing
for women after menstruation or childbirth, nor anybody who follows the groovy
schedule indicated to diagnose and cure "leprosy". Just making a point that
everyone is disengenious when claiming to follow the precepts of the Bible.
The more accurate phrase should be those precepts that are acceptable to them
and happen to be contained within the Bible.
Crud
robin
>
> Robin wrote:
>
> >You could try blaming yourself and all the others
> >who write and promote stupidity of the subject.
>
> Robin,
>
> I'm sorry....you caught me when I was in a worse mood than I
realized
> and I lashed out at you.
Karen
Tonight there was a message on my phone. It was a young lady
wanting to know if I was hiring any speech pathologists. I
wrote her number down.
I called her and told her I wasn't hiring any in the near
future.
>
> PS. I always did kinda like the Yoko song...guess I'll just
have to
> bear it if you get down on me for that.
I always like that picture of her and John in bed in the
hospital.
She doesn't have talent though.
Robin
carolyn cain
Crud wrote:
>Yes but I have seen none of them following the
>rules laid down in Leviticus,
And should you ever happen to stumble across a group that does (at least
in the US), should such practices become publically known....please make
careful notes and report back to us on the truth of
'religious freedom' in said locale. TIA
Karen Cain
Lord of Entropy
> wit: people who come on and tremulously ask whether it is OK for
> Christians to read Tarot, and start getting pedantic about how Tarot
> isn't occultism so they can salve their fears about it, etc. etc.
Too bad Christians aren't asking important questions like:
"is it OK to be Christian in the first place?"
Same with Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Thelemites, Wiccans, ...
--LoE
Hieronymous707
>Too bad Christians aren't asking important questions like:
>"is it OK to be Christian in the first place?"
In the first place, what exactly makes you think that's an important question,
and secondly, what exactly gives you any indication that such a question isn't
being asked, constantly, by Christians of themselves, each other, and everyone
else besides?
>Same with Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Thelemites, Wiccans, ...
Yeah, same goes for them.
-hi-
White Rabbit
Theo
Crudpuppy wrote:
> >For whom is this "final rule" of yours intended?
>
> For all the people who claim to be pious yet do not follow every word of the
> Bible: this is %100 of all Christians/Jews I have ever seen. Nobody follows
> any of the laws laid down in Leviticus and yet that is part of the Bible and a
> very specific set of rules one is enjoined to abide by, and yet nobody does.
> Therefor the rule is, in practice, everyone pretty much does what they wish.
> It isn't in the Bible but in the breach that it is practiced
> .>SNIP>
White Rabbit
ONLY when enrolled into sects coming from the NEW world they become pedants!
Religion in the pleb : Italy Fance Germany Switzerland ( countries that I know) is not as intrusive as the
same
religious pleb in the States
not even to think about to buing Pinocchio or Harry Potter !
Theo
Lord of Entropy wrote:
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Lord of Entropy
> In the first place, what exactly makes you think that's an important question
Twin Towers, starving Iraqi children, Heaven's Gate, David Koresh, Jim
Jones, KKK, The Holocaust, Bosnia, Serbia, Israel, Palestine, "Islamic
Republic" of Iran, Salem Witch Trials, Manifest Destiny, Spanish
Inquisition, Crusades, ...
> and secondly, what exactly gives you any indication that such a question isn't
> being asked, constantly, by Christians of themselves, each other, and everyone
> else besides?
Twin Towers, starving Iraqi children, Heaven's Gate, David Koresh, Jim
Jones, KKK, The Holocaust, Bosnia, Serbia, Israel, Palestine, "Islamic
Republic" of Iran, Salem Witch Trials, Manifest Destiny, Spanish
Inquisition, Crusades, ...
>>Same with Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Thelemites, Wiccans, ...
> Yeah, same goes for them.
Yeah, exactly.
--LoE
carolyn cain
Robin wrote:
>Tonight there was a message on my phone. It was
>a young lady wanting to know if I was hiring any
>speech pathologists. I wrote her number down.
>I called her and told her I wasn't hiring any in the
>near future.
:-) But you did make record of the number....probably a wise move on
your part
><<PS. I always did kinda like the Yoko song...guess
>I'll just have to bear it if you get down on me for
>that.>>
>I always like that picture of her and John in bed in
>the hospital.
>She doesn't have talent though.
Ooooooo, 'fraid I might have to disagree with you on that. I don't
think she ended up with John on the luck of the draw. <twinkle> Yeah, I
know we're thinking in different directions. But then, I always thought
I'm Moving On....from double fantasy was sort of
interesting...especially the way it sounded as opposed to the official
lyrics.
>Robin
Karen Cain
Sigfrid von Shrink
>
> Flame wars are entertaining, unless it's yourself that's being flamed.
> :)
The way you see people hold on steadfastly to their end of a flame war,
I'd doubt the validity of the 'unless' part. More like 'especially if'.
People like to get their kicks.
Sigfrid von Shrink
--
"Shrink this world with me"
White Rabbit
off,etc etc }this world with me ...
a lot of possibilities for every situation
Theo
Sigfrid von Shrink wrote:
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Asiya
news:MPG.16a262a3f...@news.nexgo.de...
> > Asiya wrote:
> >
> > Flame wars are entertaining, unless it's yourself that's being
flamed.
> > :)
>
> The way you see people hold on steadfastly to their end of a flame
war,
> I'd doubt the validity of the 'unless' part. More like 'especially
if'.
> People like to get their kicks.
haha Well okay, I was thinking of myself when I wrote that. :)
Asiya
news:3C382778...@ch.inter.net...
> Sigfrid von Shrink wrote:
> > > Asiya wrote:
> > >
> > > Flame wars are entertaining, unless it's yourself that's being
flamed.
> > > :)
> >
> > The way you see people hold on steadfastly to their end of a flame
war,
> > I'd doubt the validity of the 'unless' part. More like 'especially
if'.
> > People like to get their kicks.
>
Piss
> off,etc etc }this world with me ...
> a lot of possibilities for every situation
I'm not sure what that has to do with the previous posts, but I like it
anyway.
White Rabbit
it was the sig used in a previous posting .. I added my two ç of worth
...
here it is :
****
Sigfrid von Shrink
--
"Shrink this world with me"
****
Theo
Asiya wrote:
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White Rabbit
it was that :
Sigfrid von Shrink -- "Shrink this world with me"
Theo
Asiya wrote:
"White Rabbit" <"ByJoke®"@ch.inter.net> wrote in message
news:3C382778...@ch.inter.net...
> Sigfrid von Shrink wrote:
>SNIP>
> {Love, Sing,Hate,Ignore ,Fuck , Bless, Con ,Destroy, Repopulate,
Piss off,etc etc }this world with me ...
> a lot of possibilities for every situationI'm not sure what that has to do with the previous posts, but I like it
anyway.
can be useful ....
Asiya
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--
Juan Herberto
film "Bottoms"? (If not a talent, certainly a talent scout...) ^..^
Joseph
>
> re .."(Yoko) doesn't have talent, though.."- ever see her documentary
> film "Bottoms"? (If not a talent, certainly a talent scout...) ^
PRO YOKO..^
White Rabbit
Theo
Joseph wrote:
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Hieronymous707
>Twin Towers, starving Iraqi children, Heaven's Gate, David Koresh, Jim
>Jones, KKK, The Holocaust, Bosnia, Serbia, Israel, Palestine, "Islamic
>Republic" of Iran, Salem Witch Trials, Manifest Destiny, Spanish
>Inquisition, Crusades, ...
The citing of examples infers rather than states your conclusion.
The implication is that in having reached a conclusion, you feel the question
no longer appropriate specifically to you, that you don't personally identify
with any of the groups cited now, or previously.
>Yeah, exactly.
That's what I thought.
You have apparently reached an important conclusion to an important question, a
personal milestone. I am truly glad for you and hope it works out.
But the question remains, "What now?"
Embued with the confidence of your conclusion, in what capacity will you act
... besides this one of course.
>--LoE
Yeah right, "Lord of Entropy".
Like that helps.
Good luck is all I can say.
Some actor once said, "We may act and we may fail, but we must not fail to
act."
I thought that was ironic.
-hi-
Hieronymous707
>Embued
Of course, I must have meant imbued ...
...
or embed.
What's an i or a u between friends.
-hi-
White Rabbit
1 good reason etc etc ..is:
because you are here!
BTW
I sow a very impressive film about "migrants birds "by Perrin a
french guy
very nice iundeed
Theo
Hieronymous707 wrote:
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