Romania (=Byzantium)
Karipidu
C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\PONDUS.HTM - ... who arrived in Greece in 1922-1923 there
400,009 Pontian Greeks. ... a slogan affirming the inevitable regeneration of
Pontian Hellenism: "E Romania ki an ...
http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/clubs/hellenic/essay_pontos.htm
or
TREBIZOND Resurrected - NEW BYZANTIUM - ... yearning, the expectation of the
anonymous Pontian poet, after ... poet was our idea for the city, ROMANIA. ...
The Greek, the orthodox, the religious, the cultural ...
http://www.new-byzantium.org/trerctd.html
Romania has fallen
A bird, a nice bird, was leaving the Polis [Constantinoupolis]
It didn't stop at the vineyards, didn't stop in the gardens
It went up to St' Helias castle and there it rest.
It shaked a wing, it was full of blood
It shaked the other wing, there was a scripture
And nobody would read that, not even the Bishop
A child, a nice child, comes and reads
And as he reads, he bursts in tears, he bursts in laments
"Alas, woe to us, Romania has fallen"
Laments in the churches, tears in the monasteries
St John Chrysostomus is crying and weeping
"Do not cry, my Saint-John, do not weep"
"Romania has been lost, Romania has fallen"
"Romania has been lost, but it will bloom and rise again"
Traditional Greek song from the Black Sea (Pontos) region
Marianna
Rhianna
Thanx for the links!
It is interesting to see how Romania would be related to/part of the
Byzantine. My philosophy is that tarot is an offshoot of Byzantine
art and your links are inspiring.
~Cheers~
Rhianna
http://www.rhianna.uni.cc/
http://www.pipeline.com/~rhianna
Karipidu
>From: Rhianna rhi...@pipeline.com
>Thanx for the links!
>It is interesting to see how Romania would be related to/part of the
>Byzantine. My philosophy is that tarot is an offshoot of Byzantine
>art and your links are inspiring.
Rhianna, the Greeks from Pontos when they talked about
Romania they meant the Byzantium and not the present
country of Romania.
Marianna
Karipidu
>>Thanx for the links!
>>It is interesting to see how Romania would be related to/part of the
>>Byzantine. My philosophy is that tarot is an offshoot of Byzantine
>>art and your links are inspiring.
>From: kari...@aol.com (Karipidu)
>Rhianna, the Greeks from Pontos when they talked about
>Romania they meant the Byzantium and not the present
>country of Romania.
And when Greeks talk about Macedonia the mean the northern
part of Greece and not Yugoslavia. Did you hear the news?
The United States has recognized the former Yugoslav republic
of Macedonia as "Macedonia." And Greeks do not like that
because Greeks call Macedonia the northern part of Greece, ie.
Thessaloniki, Serres, Kavala, Drama, etc... Which one is
Macedonia? Now Greece and former Yogoslavia confuse "you"
by having the same name. To avoid confusion, the former
Yogoslavia should have a different name. Not Macedonia!
Marianna
Rhianna
>Rhianna, the Greeks from Pontos when they talked about
>Romania they meant the Byzantium and not the present
>country of Romania.
>Marianna
What geographical land area would be represented?
How far did Byzantium span?
Karipidu
>>Romania they meant the Byzantium and not the present
>>country of Romania.
>From: Rhianna rhi...@pipeline.com
>What geographical land area would be represented?
>How far did Byzantium span?
Oh, where to start and where to end...
Take a look at that:
THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE - THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE The Byzantine Empire was
established with the foundation of Constantinople, but the final separation of
the ...
http://www.gogreece.com/learn/history/Byzantine_empire.html
Greek History, Byzantine Empire - Hellenism.Net - THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE Origins
of Byzantium. Overcrowding in the eighth century BC led Greek city-states to
send out colonies throughout the Mediterranean basin. ...
http://www.hellenism.net/eng/byzantium.htm
Byzantine Empire - Byzantine Empire. The eastern ... Roman Empire. The eastern
half continued as the Byzantine Empire, with Constantinople as its capital. ...
http://www.kat.gr/kat/history/Rel/Chr/ByzantineEmpire.htm
Ceremony and Faith Byzantine Art and the Divine Liturgy - Byzantium: One God,
one empire, one religion, Church of Parigoritissa at Arta, late 13th century.
View of the dome. Christianity ...
http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21505/215051/2150513/e21505119f.html
Marianna
Rhianna
Thank you for the links :-)
~Cheers~
Karipidu
>Did you hear the news?
Rhianna, take a look at that:
Greece says Macedonia can't join NATO, EU before name flap resolution
http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.html?id=4f4c4373-a19c-4c59-a84e-3e4
902ae250a
http://www.hri.org/news/greek/ana/2004/04-11-05.ana.html#18
Church reaction to speculation over change in US policy vis-à-vis FYROM
Marianna
Karipidu
>>Did you hear the news?
>Rhianna, take a look at that:
>Greece says Macedonia can't join NATO, EU before name flap resolution
>http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.html?id=4f4c4373-a19c-4c59-a84e-3e4
>902ae250a
Something wrong. Just read this:
Greece says Macedonia can't join NATO, EU before name flap resolution
Canadian Press
ATHENS (AP) - The government said Friday it would block neighbouring Macedonia
from joining NATO or the European Union unless a name dispute with the Balkan
republic is resolved.
The warning came a day after the United States fully recognized Macedonia under
that name, despite strong Greek objections, ahead of a referendum Sunday aimed
at granting Macedonia's restive ethnic Albanian minority greater autonomy.
Athens has argued that use of the name Macedonia implies territorial claims
toward Greece - which has a neighbouring province with the same name - and made
a formal complaint to Washington on Thursday.
Greece is both a member of the EU and NATO.
Macedonia, which gained independence from Yugoslavia in 1991, joined the United
Nations in 1993 under the name Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to
sidestep Greek objections. Athens uses the UN acronym FYROM, as do
international organizations.
"It is well known that the accession of a European country to the EU or NATO
requires the unanimous agreement of all existing members," government spokesman
Evangelos Antonaros said.
"Greece will not be part of such a decision unless a commonly acceptable
solution (to the name dispute) is reached," he added. "It is not our intention
to punish anyone. . . . What we are seeking is a calm and sober atmosphere."
President Costis Stephanopoulos expressed the "deep disappointment of the Greek
people" in a letter to U.S. President George W. Bush.
U.S. recognition of Macedonia's name left Greece's conservative government to
deal with its first diplomatic defeat since taking power in March. It also
marked a new surge of anti-Americanism in a country where such sentiment often
runs high.
The head of Greece's powerful Orthodox Church, Archbishop Christodoulos, urged
Greeks to "resist" Washington's decision in a statement seen as a possible
prelude to mass street protests.
"They are trying to make us forget our history. We must resist this with
revolutionary might," the archbishop told a group of school children in
northern Greece.
Macedonia is keen to join the EU and international institutions like NATO to
boost stability in the landlocked tiny republic.
U.S. support for its NATO ambitions has increased since Macedonia sent a small
number troop to join U.S.-led forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
© The Canadian Press 2004
November 5, 2004
Al Smith
> that name, despite strong Greek objections, ahead of a referendum Sunday aimed
> at granting Macedonia's restive ethnic Albanian minority greater autonomy.
>
> Athens has argued that use of the name Macedonia implies territorial claims
> toward Greece - which has a neighbouring province with the same name - and made
> a formal complaint to Washington on Thursday.
I don't know why Greece has such a problem with the name
Macedonia. Greeks can be so anal, sometimes. :-)
Karipidu
>> toward Greece - which has a neighbouring province with the same name - and
>made
>> a formal complaint to Washington on Thursday.
>From: Al Smith inv...@address.com
>I don't know why Greece has such a problem with the name
>Macedonia. Greeks can be so anal, sometimes. :-)
Al Smith, you should wonder why "you" have such a problem with Greeks.
Take a look at that:
The power of Greek words - ... reached the conclusion that the so called
mysterious ... we have neglected the most important evidence and ... The Greek
names compose the picture, soul, identity and ...
http://www.addgr.com/art/grwords/power.htm
Marianna
Al Smith
>>>Macedonia. Greeks can be so anal, sometimes. :-)
>
>
>
> Al Smith, you should wonder why "you" have such a problem with Greeks.
I like Greeks! I saw "Zorba" five times. I always wanted to be the
shy English gentlemen who got to make love to Irene Papus. I never
wanted to dance with Zorba, though. That's a little too tinkerbell.
Karipidu
>> Al Smith, you should wonder why "you" have such a problem with Greeks.
>From: Al Smith inv...@address.com
>I like Greeks! ... I always wanted to be the shy English
>gentlemen who got to make love to Irene Papus.
Oh, My friend Al Smith likes movies about Greek women. He
likes well-wrote stories about Greek women- the kind in which
the bad guys are kill off by a Greek hero woman. Al Smith is
not happy unless a Greek woman defeats a man or two during
the course of the story. Here's what Al Smith says: "I always
wanted to be the shy English gentlemen who got to make love
to Irene Papus". What am I going to do? That was the question
he kept asking himself. Finally, Al Smith decided to tell us his
trouble.
Please, give Al Smith a good advice. Make suggestions or
recommendations about what Al Smith should do with his
trouble.
Marianna
Al Smith
> likes well-wrote stories about Greek women- the kind in which
> the bad guys are kill off by a Greek hero woman. Al Smith is
> not happy unless a Greek woman defeats a man or two during
> the course of the story. Here's what Al Smith says: "I always
> wanted to be the shy English gentlemen who got to make love
> to Irene Papus". What am I going to do? That was the question
> he kept asking himself. Finally, Al Smith decided to tell us his
> trouble.
>
> Please, give Al Smith a good advice. Make suggestions or
> recommendations about what Al Smith should do with his
> trouble.
>
>
>
> Marianna
You are a refershing strange and quirky person, do you know that?
Maybe a few Greek soldiers are missing from the Trojan Horse
inside your head, but I like you anyway, you kook.
Karipidu
>> likes well-wrote stories about Greek women- the kind in which
>> the bad guys are kill off by a Greek hero woman. Al Smith is
>> not happy unless a Greek woman defeats a man or two during
>> the course of the story. Here's what Al Smith says: "I always
>> wanted to be the shy English gentlemen who got to make love
>> to Irene Papus". What am I going to do? That was the question
>> he kept asking himself. Finally, Al Smith decided to tell us his
>> trouble.
>>
>> Please, give Al Smith a good advice. Make suggestions or
>> recommendations about what Al Smith should do with his
>> trouble.
>From: Al Smith inv...@address.com
>You are a refershing strange and quirky person, do you know
>that? Maybe a few Greek soldiers are missing from the Trojan
>Horse inside your head,
Al Smith you need to understand the nature and character of
the Greek people first if you want to understand their history.
The plans of Greeks are many as the multiplication ( as the
primer of arithmetic) is. Sweet heart, next time, think whom
you play with!
>, but I like you anyway, you kook.
Who cares?
>,you kook.
Does it mean strange, eccentric, or crazy?
Oh, I see, you are looking at the 7 of cups!
Marianna
Karipidu
>>> Oh, My friend Al Smith likes movies about Greek women. He
>>> likes well-wrote stories about Greek women- the kind in which
>>> the bad guys are kill off by a Greek hero woman. Al Smith is
>>> not happy unless a Greek woman defeats a man or two during
>>> the course of the story. Here's what Al Smith says: "I always
>>> wanted to be the shy English gentlemen who got to make love
>>> to Irene Papus". What am I going to do? That was the question
>>> he kept asking himself. Finally, Al Smith decided to tell us his
>>> trouble.
>>> Please, give Al Smith a good advice. Make suggestions or
>>> recommendations about what Al Smith should do with his
>>> trouble.
>>From: Al Smith inv...@address.com
>>You are a refershing strange and quirky person, do you know
>>that? Maybe a few Greek soldiers are missing from the Trojan
>>Horse inside your head,
>Karipidu
>Al Smith you need to understand the nature and character of
>the Greek people first if you want to understand their history.
>The plans of Greeks are many as the multiplication ( as the
>primer of arithmetic) is. Sweet heart, next time, think whom
>you play with!
>>From: Al Smith inv...@address.com
>>, but I like you anyway, you kook.
>Karipidu
>Who cares?
>>From: Al Smith inv...@address.com
>>,you kook.
>Karipidu
>Does it mean strange, eccentric, or crazy?
>Oh, I see, you are looking at the 7 of cups!
P.S.
Al Smith, if you didn't like my story, I can change it
and write another story. Don't be shy! Just tell me.
Marianna
Karipidu
mgm.com - ... "I am Elektra. Daughter of Agamemnon and Klytaemnistra.". Irene
Papas (Elektra), Elina Karpeta (chorus). ... Irene Papas (Elektra), Manos
Katrakis (the tutor). WMA, ...
http://www.mgm.com/title_clip.do?title_star=ELECTRA
Marianna
Karipidu
>Al Smith, if you didn't like my story, I can change it
>and write another story. Don't be shy! Just tell me.
Okay, Al Smith, I will change the story because you
seem sad.
My friend Al Smith and Karlin are men. Yet the two men
couldn't possibly be more different. They seen eye to
eye on very few things. One of the many things they
couldn't agreed on was sex.
Al Smith likes women. He wants to make love to a woman.
He gets around better than you can imagine. He has a
pleasing appearance. He also has a good voice.
On the other hand, Karlin likes men. He wants to make love
to a man. He always seems to be in a hurry and is never
friendly. He only smiles at some men. He also has a loud
voice.
One Saturday night, their differences come to a head. They
have just finished dinner and were arguing about sex. Al Smith
has been wanting to make love to a woman, whereas Karlin
wanted to make love to a man. As they argued, each of them
grown more stubborn.
Finally, they done the only thing they could do. That very
evening, they breaked off their relationship. They haven't
spoke to each other since.
Marianna
Al Smith
I'm a big fan of classic Greek tragedy. Aeschylus, Euripides,
Sophocles, they're my main homies. Whenever I feel depressed I
watch "Oedipus Rex" and it cheers me up. I could use a Greek
chorus following me around, commenting on my life:
(chorus, dressed in black, with black funeral masks)
"See Al Smith, he missed his parking space,
Now he must drive in endless circles,
Seeking to fill the gap in his bleak existence.
The Furies cry out, Al Smith, Al Smith,
This is your reward for mocking the gods."
Al Smith
> Al Smith, if you didn't like my story, I can change it
> and write another story. Don't be shy! Just tell me.
>
> Marianna
I think your stories are very creative. Their relevance is not
immediately apparent, but I like their surreal Dadaist qualities.
Karipidu
>>
>> mgm.com - ... "I am Elektra. Daughter of Agamemnon and Klytaemnistra.".
>Irene
>> Papas (Elektra), Elina Karpeta (chorus). ... Irene Papas (Elektra), Manos
>> Katrakis (the tutor). WMA, ...
>> http://www.mgm.com/title_clip.do?title_star=ELECTRA
>From: Al Smith inv...@address.com
>I'm a big fan of classic Greek tragedy. Aeschylus, Euripides,
Euripides was pontios, i.e. he was from pontos of Minor Asia like
my family. All men's Greek names that end in ides, idis, and
women's Greek names that end in idu, idou are from pontos.
>Sophocles, they're my main homies. Whenever I feel depressed I
I don't want to hear the word depressed from you, All Smith.
The word "depressed" is not for men.
>watch "Oedipus Rex" and it cheers me up. I could use a Greek
>chorus following me around, commenting on my life:
>(chorus, dressed in black, with black funeral masks)
>"See Al Smith, he missed his parking space,
>Now he must drive in endless circles,
>Seeking to fill the gap in his bleak existence.
>The Furies cry out, Al Smith, Al Smith,
>This is your reward for mocking the gods."
I like Greek music. When I hear Greek music I am alive.
Marianna
Al Smith
>>>I'm a big fan of classic Greek tragedy. Aeschylus, Euripides,
>
>
> Euripides was pontios, i.e. he was from pontos of Minor Asia like
> my family. All men's Greek names that end in ides, idis, and
> women's Greek names that end in idu, idou are from pontos.
I read up on some Pontos history.
http://www.scimitarmusic.com/pontos/history.html
Weren't the Greeks chucked out of Asia Minor (Turkey) by the
Muslims? Where did you family go after leaving Pontos?
[quote]
"In the aftermath of World War I, with massacres and military
actions on both sides, Orthodox Christians in Turkey and Muslims
in Greece were exchanged according to the Treaty of Lausanne, thus
ending the Greek history in Pontos but the culture is still
carried on today and kept very much alive by the descendents."
us...@domain.invalid
Karipidu
>>>cheers me up. I could use a Greek chorus following me
>>>around, commenting on my life: (chorus, dressed in black,
>>>with black funeral masks)
I have seen Oedipus Rex in the Summer theater 17 years ago.
Marianna
Karipidu
>> my family. All men's Greek names that end in ides, idis, and
>> women's Greek names that end in idu, idou are from pontos.
>http://www.scimitarmusic.com/pontos/history.html
Oh, well. My grandparents went to the northern part of Greece.
They stayed in Thessaloniki some years kai then they moved
to Serres. 80% of the Greeks who came from pontos stayed
in the northern part of Greece, i.e. Thessaloniki, Serres, Kavala
(Kabala), Drama, Veroia, Katerini, Florina, Grevena, Kozani,
and 20% of the Greeks who came from pontos moved to Athens.
All of them are smart people, courageous people. When they
talk each other you think they fight, but they don't. They just
talk loud. You know, they are not quiet people. And when they
dance their feet are on the ground, but their soul in the ouranos.
Take a look at that:
Serres - The greek version of this page Back, [ Introduction | Acknowledgments
]. This page is maintained by Panagiotis G. Ipeirotis (pa...@stern.nyu.edu) .
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~panos/serres/enserres.html
Marianna