NY Times on the crazed gaijin crusader in Hokkaido
Tomoyuki Tanaka
Moro <moro_...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> My two cents... If this guy thinks that getting Japanese
> citizenship will make him "Japanese", he should get his head
> out off his ass. Before all, he should learn how to ACT
> Japanese, and that means: not imposing yourself upon other
> people or countries..
i've been living in the USA long enough to know that this
crazed crusader's behavior is highly questionable by American
standards.
instead of approaching the situation diplomatically, the
crazed crusader has been harassing the owner of the bath(s)
and using a foreign newspaper to unfairly derogate the Japanese.
as for the comments attached below, i don't think it's so
apparent that a careful reader of the article can discern
the crazed crusader's silliness from between the lines.
i'd say the article shows little change in the way NY Times
has been covering Japan. see:
bilingual book on NY Times's racist, sexist reporting on Japan
http://www.tiac.net/users/zipangu/book_e.html
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/m/zipangu.txt
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka/m/
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From: Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
> I was reading the article in the New York Times today about a guy from New
> Jersey who has finally taken out Japanese citizenship and the troubles he
> still is having.
The article said that Dave is from New York, not New Jersey. Also, you
should be aware that most of the "troubles" he has encountered are
confrontations he sought out himself. This is actually sort of "written
between the lines" in the article itself, if you read carefully. Anyway,
those of us who have known about Dave for some time are well aware of
his apparent need to seek out trouble in order to draw attention to
himself.
> These problems remind me about the crap i was fed in the
> Nazi times of my former country.
Right. Dave is not allowed to use the public parks and has to wear a
yellow "gaijin" star at all times when outside of his house. Just like
in Nazi Germany. And things are getting worse: the government wants to
pass laws that make it illegal for gaijin to marry Japanese women. Dave
also had a big "G" stamped in his passport and was forced to adopt the
middle name "Sam."
> It is the same crap which the Japanese had
> at the same time,the same crap of the redneck America. The Japanese have a
> longer way to go to come into the homergeneous World of 2000.
Um, I though the problem was that the Japanese were too homogeneous.
> It amazes me how countries like this can belong to and be tolerated by the
> United Nations when one of its main principals is equality.
Are you seriously trying to say that Japan is one of the worst nations
in the UN in terms of human rights? What about China, for example?
[snip]
> This guy married a Japanese lady and decided to remain in that country.He
> has had trouble at work and cant even go to a mens steam bath...........
The article said that Dave quit his job at the lumber company because he
couldn't hack it. Every new guy gets razzed at work; some ride it out
and others decide to make a big stink about it and complain. Dave is
silly to mention this incident because it only makes him look like a
whiner.
As for the "steam bath," Dave and his friends have been harassing the
owners of that place for months. It is hardly surprising that they don't
want him as a customer.
> I think the freedom riders need to get out again.
It's pretty clear that Dave sees himself as the white MLK of Japan,
that's true. The only problem with his crusade is that the
discrimination he faces in Japan is so mild in comparison with that
faced by black Americans in the fifties and sixties that he ends up
looking a little silly.
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Scott Reynolds s...@gol.com
Kaminarikun
> Wait a bit...
> I doesn't really matter whether this is diplomatic or not. The fact is that
> he was refused visiting a sento as a foreigner and now as a Japanese.
Which sento? Names?
Tomoyuki Tanaka
Jeff <je...@tohellwithspammers.schrepfer.com> wrote:
>
> Funny thing is, I (white American male) lived in Japan for
> 8 years and I'm a huge onsen afficionado. I went to many
> different onsen all over the country countless times and was
> never, not once, refused admission because of my race. There
> was one incident in those 8 years when I tried to enter a
> rural restaurant near Gotenba and was told "Japanese only!"
> the instant I walked in (although the owner did let me in when
> he figured out that I wasn't one of the rowdy obnoxious marines
> form a nearby base but was in fact a civil person and was
> there with other Japanese friends.)
a diplomatic and effective approach would be to persuade the
bath owners that race is not the problem; it is the behavior.
the goal for someone seeking fairness would be to persuade
the bath owners to rephrase the rule as
"here are the appropriate and inappropriate examples
of behavior: ... . those acting inappropriately will
be excluded regardless of race/nationality."
but apparently David Aldwinckle has no interest in effectiveness
or fairness, just like the time he harassed me by distributing
false accusations about me.
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David Aldwinckle's false and sneaky accusations
http://www.mail-archive.com/fuku...@ucsd.edu/msg10181.html
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David Aldwinckle wrote:
>
>> I know that Tanaka has been the subject of at least one
>> investigation by the UC Davis Student Judicial board for
>> inappropriate behavior on the net
i have never been the subject of such an investigation.
David Aldwinckle wrote:
>
>> apparently not associated with a university, so has not
>> been censured that I know of.
i have never been censured in the manner that Aldwinckle
insinuates.
Kaminarikun
> never provide names, but it was reported that several bath houses are
> enforcing the anti-gaijin policy.
> Not just in Hokkaido as I know. There was a black woman who was refused
> because the bath house owner was afraid of Aids this year (Shizuoka?). If
> you read the English papers you'll be reminded frequently. The number of
> offences is certainly much bigger since many won't bother writing about
> their grievances to local newspapers.
I was not questioning about such signs, I have seen it myself.
Just wanted to know the name of the hotspring that was in question so
that
maybe I could find what happened afterwards. I found the name, which was
YUNOHANA ONSEN. But can't find their web site yet.
> Remember the shop in Shizuoka where the Brazilian woman journalist was
> refused? She has won the court case (in Japan) against the racist manager
> who stated "fear" of foreign customers.
> The more such things happen, the higher the waves go, and the more is
> reported abroad... the earlier it will force the Japanese government to do
> something about.
>
> Don't expect any help from your embassy. These guys sit in their luxurious
> ghetto and are probably bound to play a low key on these matters.
> Just imagine the US or some European ambassador traveling to Hokkaido with
> the media and hidden cameras being refused in public baths, drinking places,
> and such. Things would change very quickly and Mr. Adwinkle could visit the
> place with ten of his black friends and a wide grin toward the reeducated
> proprietor!
> I wish that day will arrive soon.
If it's illegal then he should've sued. That's one way to change things.
Sigi Rindler
> crazed crusader has been harassing the owner of the bath(s)
> and using a foreign newspaper to unfairly derogate the Japanese.
>
Wait a bit...
I doesn't really matter whether this is diplomatic or not. The fact is that
he was refused visiting a sento as a foreigner and now as a Japanese. It's
the different color of his skin... which is blatant racism!
Diplomacy used by foreigners in Japan can "smoothen" things, but they don't
solve anything in the short run. Getting foreign and non-mainstream Japanese
newspapers involved will put pressure on the Japanese government to act. The
Asahi or Yomiuri shimbun won't move a finger. Why do you think was
fingerprinting abolished? It was NOT the goodwill of Japanese bureaucrats.
A justice minister in the 90s even told a bloody lie by saying that it was
impossible to keep track of foreigners without fingerprinting. The Japanese
are world champions in negotiations without end. This vicious cycle can only
be broken with some kind of retaliatory force.
I wouldn't have the power to start a crusade like this guy, but I do adore
his ideas to make Japan a better place to live for everybody.
Guess how long it will take the Japanese government to clean up its act if
western governments encourage people to bar Japanese from a number of public
facilities, especially business travelers. Create all kinds of obstacles for
travel and visa applications, etc. Retaliatory actions are a very good way
to achieve such things since it forces the governments to start acting. This
force is brought upon by its own people who will complain about the same
hassles that non-Japanese have to endure in Japan.
It has a far greater impact than a couple of complaining foreigners...
Politicians need their votes to stay on in power.
Either there are laws nationwide, or special ones for Hokkaido. I have never
been thrown out of any sento in Tokyo, Osaka, and a couple of other
prefectures and would be pissed, if that should happen to me in Hokkaido.
Asking the Japanese public to do things on a voluntary basis never works
satisfactorily...
Sigi
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> Wait a bit...
<snip>
> Guess how long it will take the Japanese government to clean up its act if
> western governments encourage people to bar Japanese from a number of
public
> facilities, especially business travelers. Create all kinds of obstacles
for
> travel and visa applications, etc.
Funny thing is, I (white American male) lived in Japan for 8 years and I'm a
huge onsen afficionado. I went to many different onsen all over the country
countless times and was never, not once, refused admission because of my
race. There was one incident in those 8 years when I tried to enter a rural
restaurant near Gotenba and was told "Japanese only!" the instant I walked
in (although the owner did let me in when he figured out that I wasn't one
of the rowdy obnoxious marines form a nearby base but was in fact a civil
person and was there with other Japanese friends.)
Of course I did experience some outright discrimination when I was looking
for an apartment; this is an area that truly should be tackled by some
strong legislation. But seeking out the very few private facilities where
this kind of discrimination exists is probably more for the purpose of
drawing attention to himself or fighting a personal vendetta than it is for
the purpose of "making Japan a better place for everyone."
Sigi Rindler
> for an apartment; this is an area that truly should be tackled by some
> strong legislation. But seeking out the very few private facilities where
> this kind of discrimination exists is probably more for the purpose of
> drawing attention to himself or fighting a personal vendetta than it is
for
> the purpose of "making Japan a better place for everyone."
>
Well, that's one way to see it. I see it a bit differently... having a
Japanese wife who behaves "UN-Japanese" when it comes to environmental
pollution and Japan's nuclear power stations.:-)
This guys has real principles. Not a principle by saying: "No, it don't
accept it since it's a 'principle'..."
This one is just cheap talk. Living out real principles can cost you dearly.
His Japanese wife might not be too happy with him challenging the system or
the state, but this fighting spirit is in his blood. Nelson Mandela was
doing it, the current South Korean president was almost executed for his
conviction.
I admit that he is extreme, but without people like him nothing will ever
change.
Who else would want to become a Japanese while knowing that he'd still be
regarded a leper afterward? I'd rather become a terrorist (freedom fighter)
to fight the system if I had the desire...
What's the merit of drawing attention to himself? He works for Sapporo
university where he might be fired or not getting his contract extended.
Universities don't like it when a staff member does not adhere to "common
rules".
Look at his web page where he has a blacklist of Japanese universities that
discriminate against foreigners (maybe not his, but a link).
Since I resort to doing similar things on a small scale when unjust things
happen, I can only wish him all the best to succeed at least in part.
If the Japanese government is sincere to live up to its so called
internationalization, it should have the guts and threaten any owner of a
public establishment with closure if not strictly complied (with the usual
exceptions like refusing intoxicated people and such).
I would say that he shows a tremendous portion of courage rather than
craving for self-recognition.
Sigi Rindler
> > Wait a bit...
> > I doesn't really matter whether this is diplomatic or not. The fact is
that
> > he was refused visiting a sento as a foreigner and now as a Japanese.
>
You need to ask the gaijin crusader or the Japan Times where I read it. They
never provide names, but it was reported that several bath houses are
enforcing the anti-gaijin policy.
Not just in Hokkaido as I know. There was a black woman who was refused
because the bath house owner was afraid of Aids this year (Shizuoka?). If
you read the English papers you'll be reminded frequently. The number of
offences is certainly much bigger since many won't bother writing about
their grievances to local newspapers.
Remember the shop in Shizuoka where the Brazilian woman journalist was
refused? She has won the court case (in Japan) against the racist manager
who stated "fear" of foreign customers.
The more such things happen, the higher the waves go, and the more is
reported abroad... the earlier it will force the Japanese government to do
something about.
Don't expect any help from your embassy. These guys sit in their luxurious
ghetto and are probably bound to play a low key on these matters.
Just imagine the US or some European ambassador traveling to Hokkaido with
the media and hidden cameras being refused in public baths, drinking places,
and such. Things would change very quickly and Mr. Adwinkle could visit the
place with ten of his black friends and a wide grin toward the reeducated
proprietor!
I wish that day will arrive soon.
Jeff
> Nelson Mandela was
> doing it
Give me a break. How could you possibly compare David's "tribulations" to
what someone like Nelson Mandela went through and the kinds of things he was
fighting against. At the very least you insult Nelson Mandela and everything
he stands for. I experienced discrimination while I lived in Japan too but I
learned incredibly valuable personal lessons from those experiences and then
did my bit to change some of the attitudes of those around me in the most
effective way I could. I certainly didn't go around seeking out
discrimination and then engage in confrontation to try to stomp it out and
declare myself the undisputed winner in some personal vendetta. What David
doesn't realize is that taking that onsen owner out for a drink or something
rather than trying to beat him into submission would be vastly more
effective. Japan does not have a nationwide apartheid-like system of
discrimination against foreigners so much as it has pockets of people here
and there (particularly in rural Japan) who have attitudes that need to be
changed. What country doesn't?
Jeff
Sigi Rindler
> > doing it
>
> Give me a break. How could you possibly compare David's "tribulations" to
> what someone like Nelson Mandela went through and the kinds of things he
was
> fighting against. At the very least you insult Nelson Mandela and
everything
> he stands for.
No insult meant here...
I need to name a common denominator since you wouldn't know John Doe. You
are right with tribulations, but both were fighting against discrimination
in their own way.
I experienced discrimination while I lived in Japan too but I
> learned incredibly valuable personal lessons from those experiences and
then
> did my bit to change some of the attitudes of those around me in the most
> effective way I could.
Right, everyone can change and adapt to the situation... especially when
your choice is putting up with it or leaving the country. It's not very
satisfying, is it?
I certainly didn't go around seeking out
> discrimination and then engage in confrontation to try to stomp it out and
> declare myself the undisputed winner in some personal vendetta.
Well, he had certainly some success and I wish he hangs on to fines the
half-baked job. Maybe the laws will finally be changed (not only for the
sake of onsens or sentos, but for renting real estate also). One has to be
persistent to succeed. I am glad that these people are around and do
something which I can't sustain for that long.
Japan does not have a nationwide apartheid-like system of
> discrimination against foreigners so much as it has pockets of people here
> and there (particularly in rural Japan) who have attitudes that need to be
> changed. What country doesn't?
None, but several other western nations have a legislation that would make
these people think twice before refusing a guest due to the color of his
skin. The threat of having the shop closed down plus heavy fines usually
does the trick.
Sigi Rindler
> > doing it
>
> Give me a break. How could you possibly compare David's "tribulations" to
> what someone like Nelson Mandela went through and the kinds of things he
was
> fighting against. At the very least you insult Nelson Mandela and
everything
> he stands for.
No insult meant here...
I need to name a common denominator since you wouldn't know John Doe. You
are right with tribulations, but both were fighting against discrimination
in their own way.
I experienced discrimination while I lived in Japan too but I
> learned incredibly valuable personal lessons from those experiences and
then
> did my bit to change some of the attitudes of those around me in the most
> effective way I could.
Right, everyone can change and adapt to the situation... especially when
your choice is putting up with it or leaving the country. It's not very
satisfying, is it?
I certainly didn't go around seeking out
> discrimination and then engage in confrontation to try to stomp it out and
> declare myself the undisputed winner in some personal vendetta.
Well, he had certainly some success and I wish he hangs on to fines the
half-baked job. Maybe the laws will finally be changed (not only for the
sake of onsens or sentos, but for renting real estate also). One has to be
persistent to succeed. I am glad that these people are around and do
something which I can't sustain for that long.
Japan does not have a nationwide apartheid-like system of
> discrimination against foreigners so much as it has pockets of people here
> and there (particularly in rural Japan) who have attitudes that need to be
> changed. What country doesn't?
None, but several other western nations have a legislation that would make
these people think twice before refusing a guest due to the color of his
skin. The threat of having the shop closed down plus heavy fines usually
does the trick.
shuji matsuda
"Sigi Rindler" <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
:I doesn't really matter whether this is diplomatic or not. The fact is that
:he was refused visiting a sento as a foreigner and now as a Japanese. It's
:the different color of his skin... which is blatant racism!
I just advise the onsen owners to change their policy and refuse anybody
who is engaging in the activity that harms their business. That would
make their position clearer.
:Retaliatory actions are a very good way
:to achieve such things since it forces the governments to start acting. This
:force is brought upon by its own people who will complain about the same
:hassles that non-Japanese have to endure in Japan.
Are you suggesting that the victims of GAIJIN crimes should retaliate on
other GAIJINs? That is as aggressive as your suggestion, but if you say so,
it is at least consistent.
--
shuji matsuda smat...@med.keio.ac.jp
shuji matsuda
"Jeff" <je...@tohellwithspammers.schrepfer.com> wrote:
:I experienced discrimination while I lived in Japan too but I
:learned incredibly valuable personal lessons from those experiences and then
:did my bit to change some of the attitudes of those around me in the most
:effective way I could.
How have you changed yourself, may I ask?
--
shuji matsuda smat...@med.keio.ac.jp
sea...@my-deja.com
university..and currently all(!) foreign students (or foreign-looking
students) cannot go to a public bath. So students try, with the help of
the university to protest at the municipal office. I don't know if it
will have any success...
In article <3a297...@virginia.uncensored-news.com>,
"Sigi Rindler" <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Kaminarikun
> actually in Otaru (near Sapporo). I am a student here at the
> university..and currently all(!) foreign students (or foreign-looking
> students) cannot go to a public bath. So students try, with the help of
> the university to protest at the municipal office. I don't know if it
> will have any success...
All public bath(sento)? That's not possible. Try Taisho Sento.
JonaThan McKinnon
Japan from 1979-1981 I traveled all over Japan. Most of the time, I never
had a problem. However, when I went to Kyushu I would go to outdoor onsens
to relax after a hard day of riding my motorcycle.
Usually, I would find the onsen empty and enjoy by myself. However, if a
another Japanese person arrived, they would never get in. They would just
see me and politely leave. So, it was there choice.
Anyway, my apartment in Hiroshima had it's own "Toto" bath cubicle and I
enjoyed having one in my apartment. I never really thought the idea of a
community bathtub was great. However, I know that many Japanese homes do
not have the hot bath available.
I think that it is good to force the issue with the Japanese. The Japanese
people are great, but their are a few places where racism exist. Even my
co-workers at the Ministry of Education, who I thought were smart, many
times wanted the "One-Way Street" of benefits of the many projects I was
involved in.
So, force the issue. It will not make you any friends with that particular
place, but you were never a friend in the first place. Otherwise, he would
of never turned you down.
Jon
in article 90ist8$22q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com, sea...@my-deja.com at
sea...@my-deja.com wrote on 12/5/00 2:08 pm:
> actually in Otaru (near Sapporo). I am a student here at the
> university..and currently all(!) foreign students (or foreign-looking
> students) cannot go to a public bath. So students try, with the help of
> the university to protest at the municipal office. I don't know if it
> will have any success...
> In article <3a297...@virginia.uncensored-news.com>,
> "Sigi Rindler" <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
loki...@my-deja.com
this guy became a japanese citizen; you would assume he loves japanese
culture; being refused from the onsen shouldn't have sparked this kind
of "crusade." i think he has done damage to the image of foreigners in
japan. what about those other foreigners applying for japanese
citizenship? don't you think the japanese will be concerned about
granting more foreigners japanese citizenship after this? i think this
guy should recall his days in japan prior to the day the japanese
people welcomed him as a citizen. did he think that the japanese gave
him citizenship so that he could "enlighten" japan?
i bet if he really loved japanese culture he would have plenty of [or
at least some] friends to help him open doors wherever he wanted to go.
instead of making westerners (and new yorkers i might add [is he from
my CITY? {damn!}]) look like spoiled, whining babies. it's not up to
him to go out there and start remolding japan. i think he's in danger
of setting back japanese-western relations. he only confirms what
japanese might call our "ignorance" when it comes to the approach (not
the goal).
i think this is a problem many westerners, especially americans have.
americans have some weird idea of human rights and equality where
anything that smacks of race automatically is evil. so why stay in
japan? why not go back to america (but please not new york).
by the way, i live in china where the people's ignorance is at the
level of openly addressing you with curses and ethnic slurs. if there
comes a day where that bothers me i'll leave.
i envy that guy; he has so much, and lives in a land as beautiful as
japan; and yet he wants to raise hell over being refused to a steam
bath. how are people going to look at him and his daughters later? i
think he's making life worse for his family. what a fool. IMHO
Sigi Rindler
> at least some] friends to help him open doors wherever he wanted to go.
> instead of making westerners (and new yorkers i might add [is he from
> my CITY? {damn!}]) look like spoiled, whining babies. it's not up to
> him to go out there and start remolding japan. i think he's in danger
> of setting back japanese-western relations. he only confirms what
> japanese might call our "ignorance" when it comes to the approach (not
> the goal).
>
You have either never been to Japan or have lived in the Imperial hotel all
the time... therefore your own "mending crusade" is for the litter box.
It's like Ann Landers giving advice to the Japanese people in the style she
knows (American only) without having ever lived here.
The guy has done that for himself in the first place, and I never felt that
he provided a disservice for me or others. Things have improved because of
him and others who have done similar things on different fronts.
Once you are refused by an onsen owner, an estate agent, a shop, a
restaurant, etc., you stop thinking what Japanese or the general public will
think of you or not. Say nothing, never complain, give in to everything...
and you'll end up in slavery.
You are free to act as you propose in your message, but that won't go down
well with those who have a less submissive attitude.
If America's black population hadn't revolted several times, they would
probably still be owned by feudal white landowners!
Just come over here and live like Jesus. You'll soon reconsider your
options.
shuji matsuda
loki...@my-deja.com wrote:
: how are people going to look at him and his daughters later? i
:think he's making life worse for his family.
I do not think his confrontational attitude causes any counter reactions
towards his daughters or his family. They will be directed to him and
those who behave like him.
--
shuji matsuda smat...@med.keio.ac.jp
Audrius Tomonis
sea...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> actually in Otaru (near Sapporo). I am a student here at the
> university..and currently all(!) foreign students (or foreign-looking
> students) cannot go to a public bath. So students try, with the help of
> the university to protest at the municipal office. I don't know if it
> will have any success...
> In article <3a297...@virginia.uncensored-news.com>,
> "Sigi Rindler" <srin...@da2.so-net.ne.jp> wrote:
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Kaminarikun
> are japanese acting kind of racist?
I wonder which bath this was? Someone know the name?
Norman Diamond
news:3A6933F0...@banknotes.com...
> are japanese acting kind of racist?
Welcome to Japan. Even a Lithuanian passport won't be enough for you to see
how Japan treats most of the world's countries, and its own biggest
minorities.
You'll be glad to see the prices that old bank notes sell for though, and
errors on modern bank notes. There were a bunch of \2,000 notes with
mismatched serial numbers last year. Before that, I'd only seen two other
notes with mismatched serial numbers.
Ooooh... Outlook express says that it can't "solve" (解決できません)
alt.tanaka-tomoyuki. This is the first sign of intelligence I've ever seen
in a Microsoft product.
stranger
The public bath named Yunohana is the only one " no foreigners allowed"
bath in Otaru,Hokkaido now. The owner says the reason why he refuses
foregners
is he has had lots of troubles with foreigners(mostly russian fishermen)
who have bad manners in the bath such as, they get into a bath tub
with soap bubbles on themselves,have a noisy drinking party, steel
things,etc.
The owner lost Japanese customers and closed one of his public baths because
of the troubles.
One thing I couldn't understand is that he refuses *all* foreigners include
who speak Japanese, half Japanese/half American child who looks like
gaijin(her sister who looked like more Japanese was okay)
I think this is definitely a racism.
calmar
what could be the reason for this racism?
1)maybe they are just very of an egoist and don't want to share anything
with foreigners.....unless they have to or when they gain something while
doing
2)maybe they have in fact a superior feel for honesty, compared to
foreigners, and therefore foreigners are something like potential criminals
for japanese, or at least not to trust as much as to trust a japanese,
because of the underdeveloped honesty of the foreigners....(and p.e. who
likes to take a bath together with criminals ?
3)maybe they just think they would have superior honesty qualities and they
think they have to protect themsleves a little bit from the others
(foreigners), although that's false
4). maybe a mix of 1,2 and 3 or 2 and 3
5). .............