Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Darwin & Medicine
12 views
Skip to first unread message
Andrew
Dec 31, 2011, 9:12:57 PM12/31/11
to
"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
in any way.
> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
> this is antibiotic resistance.
Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
descent."
Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
"The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
them."
~ Andrew
> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
in any way.
> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
> this is antibiotic resistance.
Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
descent."
Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
"The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
them."
~ Andrew
Free Lunch
Dec 31, 2011, 9:43:44 PM12/31/11
to
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:57 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
>The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>in any way.
Why must you lie to us, you immoral fraud? You preach religious
doctrines that have been proven false, yet, rather than repent, you
double down on the lies you tell. Clearly you do not trust God at all.
>> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> this is antibiotic resistance.
>
>Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>descent."
Yet the evidence supports common ancestry, despite the lies you tell
about it. Why don't you repent of your lies?
>Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
Again with the lies.
> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
> them."
> ~ Andrew
>
This discussion has nothing to do with science, because you have refused
to consider any scientific evidence. It is now about why you choose to
preach false doctrines rather than accept science. Can you tell us what
causes you to commit to preaching false doctrines, doctrines that have
already been disproven?
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
>The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>in any way.
doctrines that have been proven false, yet, rather than repent, you
double down on the lies you tell. Clearly you do not trust God at all.
>> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> this is antibiotic resistance.
>
>Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>descent."
about it. Why don't you repent of your lies?
>Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
> them."
> ~ Andrew
>
to consider any scientific evidence. It is now about why you choose to
preach false doctrines rather than accept science. Can you tell us what
causes you to commit to preaching false doctrines, doctrines that have
already been disproven?
Christopher A. Lee
Dec 31, 2011, 9:45:18 PM12/31/11
to
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:57 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
>The Darwinist
> deception
Liar.
> of "universal common descent"
>has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>in any way.
>> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> this is antibiotic resistance.
>
>Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>environmental pressure
> is not in any way dependent upon the
>acceptance of the Darwinist
> deception
Liar.
> of "universal common
>descent."
>Therefore you and the other Darwinists
> --->have been deceived.
Liar.
> "The professors of Darwinism
Liar.
> have no limits except those
> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
> them."
> ~ Andrew
You're certifiable.
Christopher A. Lee
Dec 31, 2011, 9:54:41 PM12/31/11
to
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:43:44 -0600, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:57 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
>wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>
>>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>
>>The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>in any way.
>
>Why must you lie to us, you immoral fraud?
Because he's Andrew and that's what Andrew does.
> You preach religious
>doctrines that have been proven false, yet, rather than repent, you
>double down on the lies you tell. Clearly you do not trust God at all.
>
>>> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>>> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>>> this is antibiotic resistance.
>>
>>Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>>environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>>acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>>descent."
>
>Yet the evidence supports common ancestry, despite the lies you tell
>about it. Why don't you repent of your lies?
Because he is in too deep to admit it, is in serious denial and can
only maintain this by lying to people who understand reality.
>>Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>
>Again with the lies.
That's all he's got.
>> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>> them."
>> ~ Andrew
>>
>This discussion has nothing to do with science, because you have refused
>to consider any scientific evidence. It is now about why you choose to
>preach false doctrines rather than accept science. Can you tell us what
>causes you to commit to preaching false doctrines, doctrines that have
>already been disproven?
Insanity.
wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:57 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
>wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>
>>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>
>>The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>in any way.
>
>Why must you lie to us, you immoral fraud?
> You preach religious
>doctrines that have been proven false, yet, rather than repent, you
>double down on the lies you tell. Clearly you do not trust God at all.
>
>>> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>>> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>>> this is antibiotic resistance.
>>
>>Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>>environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>>acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>>descent."
>
>Yet the evidence supports common ancestry, despite the lies you tell
>about it. Why don't you repent of your lies?
only maintain this by lying to people who understand reality.
>>Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>
>Again with the lies.
>> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>> them."
>> ~ Andrew
>>
>This discussion has nothing to do with science, because you have refused
>to consider any scientific evidence. It is now about why you choose to
>preach false doctrines rather than accept science. Can you tell us what
>causes you to commit to preaching false doctrines, doctrines that have
>already been disproven?
Mike Painter
Dec 31, 2011, 10:04:51 PM12/31/11
to
Andrew wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in message
> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
>
Modern medicine says it is essential, Andrew says it is not.
> "Budikka666" wrote in message
> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
>
The next time you get sick I'd suggest going to Andrew for help if you agree
with him.
Meteorite Debris
Dec 31, 2011, 11:03:02 PM12/31/11
to
Last time that great scribe Andrew <andrew....@usa.net> chipped
away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
> "Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
>
> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>
> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
> descent."
Think again. Such adaptation is a prediction by the theory of evolution.
A theory is as good as the predictions it can make. Antibiotic
resistance is evolution in a test tube.
--
Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich prayed for me on 8 January 2009 and nothing happened.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
> "Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
>
> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>
> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
> descent."
A theory is as good as the predictions it can make. Antibiotic
resistance is evolution in a test tube.
--
Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich prayed for me on 8 January 2009 and nothing happened.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
Colanth
Dec 31, 2011, 11:40:20 PM12/31/11
to
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:57 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
>The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>in any way.
ancestor" has nothing to do with medicine.
>Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>descent."
new species from a common bacterial ancestor.
--
"Saint: A dead sinner revised and edited." - Ambrose Bierce
John Baker
Jan 1, 2012, 12:20:44 AM1/1/12
to
qualified people who can support their conclusions with a staggering
amount of hard physical evidence telling us evolution is true. On the
other, we have a bunch of ignorant Bible-thumping goobers who don't
know shit from shoe polish and have no qualifications and no evidence
telling us it isn't.
Where do you suppose the smart money is?
>
SkyEyes
Jan 1, 2012, 12:23:27 AM1/1/12
to
On Dec 31, 7:12 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells
are, and how they got there?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
are, and how they got there?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
SkyEyes
Jan 1, 2012, 12:25:09 AM1/1/12
to
care. The fact that it won't should be a big fucking clue-by-four.
John Baker
Jan 1, 2012, 12:28:07 AM1/1/12
to
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:23:27 -0800 (PST), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net>
wrote:
>On Dec 31, 7:12�pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>
>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>> in any way.
>>
>> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>>
>> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>> descent."
>>
>> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>>
>> �"The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>> � of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>> � them."
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �~ Andrew
>
>Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells
>are, and how they got there?
I'll wager that until the moment he read this post, he had never heard
of mitochondria.
wrote:
>On Dec 31, 7:12�pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>
>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>> in any way.
>>
>> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>>
>> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>> descent."
>>
>> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>>
>> �"The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>> � of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>> � them."
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �~ Andrew
>
>Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells
>are, and how they got there?
of mitochondria.
SkyEyes
Jan 1, 2012, 12:27:17 AM1/1/12
to
On Dec 31, 10:20 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:57 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Pearls before swine, John. The fact is that evolution puts Andrew's
"salvation" (his get-out-of-death-free card) in a bad light, and
Andrew can't tolerate the knowledge that when he dies, he'll have to
be dead.
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:57 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
"salvation" (his get-out-of-death-free card) in a bad light, and
Andrew can't tolerate the knowledge that when he dies, he'll have to
be dead.
Uergil
Jan 1, 2012, 12:35:54 AM1/1/12
to
In article
<c7db563d-d7bd-4bed...@d10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> It's highly plausible that in the universe there
> are God-like creatures. - Richard Dawkins
Several creationist liars, notably Liarbaj, repeatedly have posted
a deliberately truncated version of what Richard Dawkins said and then
claimed it shows Dawkins has become one of them.
They post only this:
It's highly plausible that in the universe there are God-like
creatures. - Richard Dawkins
But see what those lying creationists are careful to leave out of what
Dawkins actually said:
It's highly plausible that in the universe there are God-like
creatures. It零 very important to understand that they all came into
being by an EXPLICABLE SCIENTIFIC PROGRESSION OF INCREMENTAL
EVOLUTION.- Richard Dawkins
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
<c7db563d-d7bd-4bed...@d10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
Loirbaj <Rhod...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> It's highly plausible that in the universe there
> are God-like creatures. - Richard Dawkins
Several creationist liars, notably Liarbaj, repeatedly have posted
a deliberately truncated version of what Richard Dawkins said and then
claimed it shows Dawkins has become one of them.
They post only this:
It's highly plausible that in the universe there are God-like
creatures. - Richard Dawkins
But see what those lying creationists are careful to leave out of what
Dawkins actually said:
It's highly plausible that in the universe there are God-like
creatures. It零 very important to understand that they all came into
being by an EXPLICABLE SCIENTIFIC PROGRESSION OF INCREMENTAL
EVOLUTION.- Richard Dawkins
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
Irreverend Dave
Jan 1, 2012, 12:56:45 PM1/1/12
to
> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
*snip*
b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
> .
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
You might want to consider reading this...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
*snip*
Budikka666
Jan 1, 2012, 1:33:40 PM1/1/12
to
So this is a true Christian? I challenge Creationist Coward-For-
Christ™ Chicken Andrew-a-Blank® in one thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/f3b40a5d97e67e08?scoring=d&
and he runs like the coward he is to another thread to hide and attack
me without even having the common decency to mention it in the
original thread? Then you louse-bound scum of creationists wonder why
I have ZERO respect for you? You have the gall to wonder why I insult
you? I spit on you, you lowlife cowardly lying piece of hypocritical
vacuous trash.
But I do thank you for proving once again that your pathetic god is
non-existent, because if you *did* have an omnipotent god to back you
up you wouldn't be such a stinking coward, would you?
On Dec 31 2011, 8:12 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
new thread when his lies are exposed in the old thread?
> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>
> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
> descent."
>
> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
A practicing physician calls Andrew-a-Blank a LIAR in a twelve-part
series on the topic:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/06/medicine_and_evolution_part_12_using_evo.php
More on the topic:
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/of-what-value-is-evolutionary-biology-in-medicine/
Fighting evolution with evolution – using viruses to target drug-
resistant bacteria
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/05/31/fighting-evolution-with-evolution-%E2%80%93-using-viruses-to-target-drug-resistant-bacteria/
The AJM has well over a thousand references to evolution:
http://www.amjmed.com/search/results
The BMJ over 1,000 references to evolution:
http://www.bmj.com/search/evolution
The Lancet has almost 2,000:
http://www.thelancet.com/search/results?searchTerm=evolution&fieldName=AllFields&journalFromWhichSearchStarted=
PubMed have almost thirty thousand references:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=evolution%20AND%20medicine
A biologist on the topic:
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/evolution-2011-evolutionary-medicine/
Herding HIV into an evolutionary dead end – study finds the virus’s
weak spots
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/20/herding-hiv-into-an-evolutionary-dead-end-%E2%80%93-study-finds-the-virus%E2%80%99s-weak-spots/
Science Daily on evolution and medicine:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080229075240.htm
Special end of the year edition on evolution and medicine:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q1214780870h22x1/
Keep running you pathetic chickenshit Coward-For-Christ™
Budikka
Christ™ Chicken Andrew-a-Blank® in one thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/browse_frm/thread/f3b40a5d97e67e08?scoring=d&
and he runs like the coward he is to another thread to hide and attack
me without even having the common decency to mention it in the
original thread? Then you louse-bound scum of creationists wonder why
I have ZERO respect for you? You have the gall to wonder why I insult
you? I spit on you, you lowlife cowardly lying piece of hypocritical
vacuous trash.
But I do thank you for proving once again that your pathetic god is
non-existent, because if you *did* have an omnipotent god to back you
up you wouldn't be such a stinking coward, would you?
On Dec 31 2011, 8:12 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
Why? because a *proven* *liar* like you claims it and then RUNS to a
> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
new thread when his lies are exposed in the old thread?
> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>
> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
> descent."
>
> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
series on the topic:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/06/medicine_and_evolution_part_12_using_evo.php
More on the topic:
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/04/03/of-what-value-is-evolutionary-biology-in-medicine/
Fighting evolution with evolution – using viruses to target drug-
resistant bacteria
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/05/31/fighting-evolution-with-evolution-%E2%80%93-using-viruses-to-target-drug-resistant-bacteria/
The AJM has well over a thousand references to evolution:
http://www.amjmed.com/search/results
The BMJ over 1,000 references to evolution:
http://www.bmj.com/search/evolution
The Lancet has almost 2,000:
http://www.thelancet.com/search/results?searchTerm=evolution&fieldName=AllFields&journalFromWhichSearchStarted=
PubMed have almost thirty thousand references:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=evolution%20AND%20medicine
A biologist on the topic:
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/evolution-2011-evolutionary-medicine/
Herding HIV into an evolutionary dead end – study finds the virus’s
weak spots
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/20/herding-hiv-into-an-evolutionary-dead-end-%E2%80%93-study-finds-the-virus%E2%80%99s-weak-spots/
Science Daily on evolution and medicine:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080229075240.htm
Special end of the year edition on evolution and medicine:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q1214780870h22x1/
Keep running you pathetic chickenshit Coward-For-Christ™
Budikka
duke
Jan 1, 2012, 1:48:03 PM1/1/12
to
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:33:40 -0800 (PST), Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
wrote:
>So this is a true Christian? I challenge Creationist Coward-For-
>Christ™ Chicken Andrew-a-Blank® in one thread:
Dud, you know you're scared to death to discuss. You've been running and hiding
for years now. You make these stupid comments and than simply won't response to
comments.
The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17
It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
wrote:
>So this is a true Christian? I challenge Creationist Coward-For-
>Christ™ Chicken Andrew-a-Blank® in one thread:
for years now. You make these stupid comments and than simply won't response to
comments.
The dukester, American-American
*****
Romans 1:16-17
It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes:
for Jew first, then Greek. For in it is revealed the righteousness
of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is
righteous by faith will live."
*****
Andrew
Jan 1, 2012, 5:09:31 PM1/1/12
to
"Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCD87204...@195.67.212.194...
Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
the *creation model* of origins.
This continued after the Fall, as we see in the many pathogens
of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
Andrew
selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
the *creation model* of origins.
This continued after the Fall, as we see in the many pathogens
of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
Andrew
Christopher A. Lee
Jan 1, 2012, 5:14:53 PM1/1/12
to
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:09:31 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCD87204...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>> .
>>>
>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>
>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>
>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>
>Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
BUT IT'S AN APPLICATION OF NATURAL SELECTION, you pathologically
dishonest, pathetic little shit.
>Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
>information that is within the gene pool
Liar.
You know perfectly well that mutagens and garbled replication add new
information to it, which is filtered by natural selection.
> is in harmony with
>the *creation model* of origins.
What "creation model of origins", serial liar?
>This continued after the Fall,
What "Fall", pathological liar?
> as we see in the many pathogens
>of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
>in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
So why do they mutate to survive antibiotics by natural selection,
proven serial liar?
>Andrew
Why aren't you in a secure psychiatric facility?
wrote:
>"Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCD87204...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>> .
>>>
>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>
>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>
>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>
>Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
dishonest, pathetic little shit.
>Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
>information that is within the gene pool
You know perfectly well that mutagens and garbled replication add new
information to it, which is filtered by natural selection.
> is in harmony with
>the *creation model* of origins.
>This continued after the Fall,
> as we see in the many pathogens
>of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
>in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
proven serial liar?
>Andrew
Why aren't you in a secure psychiatric facility?
Cory Albrecht
Jan 1, 2012, 5:34:27 PM1/1/12
to
On 12-01-01 05:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCD87204...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>> .
>>>
>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>
>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>
>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>
> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
> Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
> information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
> the *creation model* of origins.
Tell me, Andrew, how would you distinguish between a mutation that added
> "Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCD87204...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>> .
>>>
>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>
>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>
>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>
> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
> Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
> information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
> the *creation model* of origins.
new information and a mutation that corrupted existing information.
You've never been able to answer that question in the past - you've
always avoided it, instead.
Also, please explicate how descent with modification is limited and can
go no further that the limits you try to impose upon it. You've always
ran away from that one, too.
Budikka666
Jan 1, 2012, 5:56:01 PM1/1/12
to
On Dec 31, 8:14 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Waiting on you to do something you are violently afraid of - actually
engaging in a discussion.
Great. Pick *any* of the challenges below from which you have already
run away, and let's you and me get right to it right here in this
thread since Zachy-Baby has fled my challenge to him.
Here's an abridged list of threads in which I have posed serious
questions about your position and from which you have run like
diarrhea:
Most recently, there's this one:
Dec 27th, 2011
Challenged to debate his 100% evidence for Jesus, Duck & Run ducked
and ran.
http://tinyurl.com/6m4ub5q
Dec 26th, 2011
Duck & Run claimed he had 100% of the evidence for a god, yet when
*given* *a* *second* *chance* to produce it, he fled the challenge!
http://tinyurl.com/7kawokn
Dec. 24th 2011
Duck & Run claimed he had 100% of the evidence for a god, yet when
challenged to produce it, he fled the challenge!
http://tinyurl.com/6m4ub5q
Sept. 5th 2011
asked for evidence for this Jesus of his. Duck & Run ducked & ran!
http://tinyurl.com/3brposl
On January 22, 2011, under the title: "Chicken Duke Has a Beautifully
Clean Pair of heels Does he Not?" I requested "Please provide
independent evidence - that is, from *outside* the Bible - that there
ever was a Jesus Christ, miracle working son of a god."
Chicken Duke couldn't do it.
http://tinyurl.com/4h6wdzm
Then there was this:
http://tinyurl.com/4dk7aoz
Jan 16, 2011, I requested this of Chicken Duke:
please provide *positive* *scientific* evidence for a creator or for a
creation, and post it right here in response to this message.
This was in response to his assertion that "Existence mandates
creation".
He ran away.
http://tinyurl.com/29hkt7j
December 22nd 2010, in which Chicken Duke was challenged to support
statements he has made repeatedly on Usenet. Once again he ran from
them like the stinking diarrhea he is and hid behind an irrelevant and
dishoenst non-sequitur.
Prior to that he ran from a similar challenge just the day before(!):
He ran from a challenge to support his bullshit on December 21st,
2010:
http://tinyurl.com/29hkt7j
And just the month before that:
http://tinyurl.com/2d5xtf3
November 20th 2010, he ran form these five simple questions rather
than support his god, thereby proving that he's nothing but another
limp Peter at the passion!
Here are the questions:
1. That the figure you quoted is true.
2. That they all believe in the *same* deity.
3. That this single deity actually exists
4. That this single deity actually created the universe
5. That this single deity is not a figment of their imagination
Here's my prediction at the time:
Time to show us that clean pair of heels again, Chicken Duck & Run.
Yep - he ran!
Claimed there are "gargantuan holes" in the Theory of Evolution and
then RAN when I called him on it:
http://tinyurl.com/27kf2da
The entire "Why There Isn't a God" series, started here:
http://tinyurl.com/6b9et
Duck & Run Ran Away - that is to say he failed 100% to actually get to
grips with the subject matter in any of those threads, his 'response'
consisting solely of chanting "no it isn't" or words to that effect.
He could offer no rebuttal, let alone refutation, he could not support
a single thing he claimed and he could offer zero rationale for his
position.
Let's face it, on this basis, he's run away from the entire "Why the
Holy Bible Lies" series, the entire "Why There Was No Flood" series,
and all of the the "Issues The Anti-Choice Crowd Carefully Avoid"
series so far.
Petition to Save the Hubble Telescope
Duck & Run makes yet another blind claim "it's the same old sky" he
blathers, like there couldn't possibly be anything new to discover,
yet I proved him entirely wrong - again.
http://tinyurl.com/2qmyz
Scientists find new face on back of Turin shroud
http://tinyurl.com/2bx6jcf
Duck & Run, shrouded in cowardice, ran away.
The Inquisition
http://tinyurl.com/4pokf
Duck & Run didn't expect the inquisition....
Another Problem for Creation IDiots
http://tinyurl.com/3px9j
Duck & Run proved to be a creation IDiot.
Human aspect of Jesus
http://tinyurl.com/4w488
Duck and Run has provided us with a de facto admission that there was
no Jesus Christ, miracle-working son-of-a-god.
Jesus's three days sacrifice
http://tinyurl.com/3jhop
Duck & Run sacrificed the truth and got caught.
Which is the real God???
http://tinyurl.com/6bnoo
Duck & Run didn't know.
God isn't very smart about spreading his word, is he?
http://tinyurl.com/7xjux
Neither is Duck & Run.
Why did Mekkla run away from a discussion of Heb 8:7-13?
http://tinyurl.com/4v759
Duck & Run opened this thread to accuse someone else of running away.
As soon as he was challenged, Duck & Run ran away!
Why Didn't Jesus Die Sooner?
http://tinyurl.com/5gevm
Duck & Run's claims died sooner.
Why is Duke Such a Coward?
http://tinyurl.com/5p3qt
Duck & Run ran away, proving what a coward he is.
Duck & Run's five evidences of god
(that he later admitted were not evidences):
http://tinyurl.com/3otzr
Questions that Duke Can't Answer
(in which I accused Duck & Run of running away and from which
he...**RAN AWAY**! The questions remain unanswered. There are only
ten numbered questions in this thread, assembled from previous threads
from which
Duck & Run ran away. Duck & Run lied there were 75 questions
and...ran away!)
http://tinyurl.com/5ozyl
There are now well over one hundred unanswered questions that Duck &
Run has fled. Here's the bulk of them:
http://tinyurl.com/ad89u
http://tinyurl.com/9ky7y
Duck & Run thinks Christianity, which post-dates Mithraism by seven
centuries, gave rise to Mithraism:
http://tinyurl.com/yzp9bk
Duck & Run ran away.
Duke: Global Flood Challenge
A thread which I opened specifically at Duck & Run's request, and from
which he, predictably, ran away. He admitted there is no evidence for
a global flood, I presented abundant evidence that there never was
one,
Duck & Run offered zero rebuttal and ran away as he again did in the
recent flood series.
http://tinyurl.com/4l83y
Evidence that Duke can't refute:
http://tinyurl.com/5l2av
Duck & Run failed to refute the evidence and ran away, thereby proving
my case
An Answer to Pascal's Wager
http://tinyurl.com/4y63n
In which I accuse Duck & Run of running away. He ran away!
Thread: "Why Puke is Such a Pathological, Unregenerate, Cowardly,
Lying, Hypocritical Asshole"
http://tinyurl.com/4ant3
Duck & Run ran away because he's a pathological, unregenerate,
cowardly, lying hypocritical asshole.
Thread: "Duke's Chronic lying"
http://tinyurl.com/3ra8l
Duck & Run ran away.
Thread: "aqotm - bud(ikka) style"
http://tinyurl.com/4r4gz
Duck & Run ran away from his own clueless stupidity
Thread: "Duke: Global Flood Challenge"
http://tinyurl.com/3qd5m
Duck & Run was out of his depth - as he's recently proven again - and
so he...ran away!
Thread: "The Bland Assumption of Jesus' Existence"
http://tinyurl.com/5kj3m
Duck & Run ran away as I blandly assumed he would.
Thread: "Running Scriptural Circles Around Duke"
http://tinyurl.com/3ozwo
Duck & Run ran away after I ran scriptural circles around him
And my favorite:
http://tinyurl.com/487vc
This was a cowardly thread Duck & Run opened titled "Budikka Runs
Away". He set this up because he was peeved that he didn't get an
instant response from me in another thread! He never told me he'd
opened this alternate thread, yet he accused me of running away in
it! LoL! When I finally happened across it and challenged him in it,
he ran away! How pathetic is that?!
And more than once/month for an entire 12 month period starting April
2009:
April 21st, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yzywu7q
July 12th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybrmfxp
August 16th,2009: http://tinyurl.com/kjjmn4
September 10th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/oasqn8
October 3rd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybvtw53
November 9th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yjlmbrf
November 19th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yj64yqj
November 20th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybrkvyh
November 22nd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ycw6s8l
November 25th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ygafw5d
November 29th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yakpje3
November 29th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ygafw5d
December 5th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yzt9f4m
December 7th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yllcb6q
December 8th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybzvv33
December 13th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yakex6v
December 23rd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/y9k8kpv
January 1st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybnesb2
January 24th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybsqw3l
January 27th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycgm8u8
January 31st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycemfpo
February 3rd, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybsqw3l
February 15th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yjjj93v
February 16th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycemfpo
February 22nd, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ye59brz
March 1st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ykgtezr
March 6th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yjhe3fe
March 9th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybnahkb
March 11th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yl8hcea
The best comment from him was in alt.atheism on January 5th, 2004, at
5:46 pm when he said, "I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things,
but I've never heard myself think." (http://tinyurl.com/f48bq). This
explains everything, including why he's such a gashole. All he can do
is impotently snipe at people, since he has nothing of value or
intelligence to say and he demonstrably cannot support a single claim
he makes.
He has no proof, no evidence - not even an intelligent argument. He
does not think because he cannot. He's quite loco, and like a loco,
he's stuck on a pair of narrow rails. He has no clue he's on them,
let alone how to get off. And the track to which he's limited leads
to a dead end - which he hilariously thinks is "Heaven"!
The best "evidence" of a god he was ever capable of producing was a
lackluster five items he posted in thread "Scientists find new face on
back of Turin shroud" in a.a. on April 18 2004, 9:52 am:
http://tinyurl.com/c6hkg.
He appears to have appropriated "his" five evidences from Thomas
Aquinas who, c1245, published "Summa theologiae" which contained five
"Ways" to "prove" some god's existence, all of which have been
thoroughly discredited.
He admitted his "own" five ways were nothing but blind belief in alt
atheism in a thread called "The Inquisition" message posted on
Saturday, 12 June, 2004 11:52am:
http://tinyurl.com/bc5ud
but that was all he could do after the massive pounding he got.
I used those same five items in a spoof edition of my "Why There is no
God" series (http://tinyurl.com/bz54w). I changed a word here and
there and all of his five "evidences" miraculously became evidence for
the non-existence of a god! Naturally I didn't count them in the 666
since they were so pathetic.
His comments aren't born of smarts, logic, rational or evidence,
they're born of desperation. Neither are his comments aimed at the
material - they rarely are. He's incapable of having a rational
exchange on a topic. He spits out idiocy and insult and runs away.
His comments are not designed to enlighten, help, or exchange
anything, but to abuse people. He's the very antithesis of this
purported Christian love he's supposed to dispense.
He never documents or supports a single thing he says, whereas the
cowardice and lies of this pathetic hypocrite for Christ have been
fully documented on Usenet. His despicable behavior and his
slanderous unfounded charges (he thinks turning the other cheek means
mooning someone) are why he was mass-plonked by pretty near the entire
regular set on a.a.:
http://tinyurl.com/9gycg
It's a sign of how pathetic he is, how low he's sinking and how
desperate he's become since he was cut off, that he now has to beg for
atheists to talk to him by posting inane rants against us - this from
the guy who claims to be a Christian, who claims to do unto others as
he would be done by, and who lies about turning the other cheek!
His cowardice in "debate" or even discussion is legendary:
1. http://tinyurl.com/ac2vg
2. http://tinyurl.com/4dyok
3. http://tinyurl.com/664yu
4. http://tinyurl.com/apenc
He thinks Christianity, which post-dates Mithraism by seven centuries,
gave rise to Mithraism:
http://tinyurl.com/yzp9bk
He's quite literally astronomically stupid:
http://tinyurl.com/yhyopg
("the same "sky" that's already been looked at."!)
http://tinyurl.com/6fbwqh
He claims he can run rings around anyone on scripture, but when he was
actually taken up directly on this claim:
http://tinyurl.com/3z47u
he ran away!
He has numerous documented lies:
http://tinyurl.com/5zlzx
http://tinyurl.com/ablwm
He regularly demands people open discussions on his god, and when they
do, he runs away. I personally had him run from the *same topic* well
over 100 times in direct response to a challenge *he* made!
He dismally failed the simplest intelligence test imaginable:
http://tinyurl.com/7zm43
He has fifty questions he can't answer or daren't answer honestly
here:
http://tinyurl.com/ad89u (October 22nd 2004)
and fifty more here:
http://tinyurl.com/9ky7y (July 16th 2005)
In short, he's a waste of a human being and not worth any response
other than this.
End of Douche. Case closed.
Budikka
Waiting on you to do something you are violently afraid of - actually
engaging in a discussion.
Great. Pick *any* of the challenges below from which you have already
run away, and let's you and me get right to it right here in this
thread since Zachy-Baby has fled my challenge to him.
Here's an abridged list of threads in which I have posed serious
questions about your position and from which you have run like
diarrhea:
Most recently, there's this one:
Dec 27th, 2011
Challenged to debate his 100% evidence for Jesus, Duck & Run ducked
and ran.
http://tinyurl.com/6m4ub5q
Dec 26th, 2011
Duck & Run claimed he had 100% of the evidence for a god, yet when
*given* *a* *second* *chance* to produce it, he fled the challenge!
http://tinyurl.com/7kawokn
Dec. 24th 2011
Duck & Run claimed he had 100% of the evidence for a god, yet when
challenged to produce it, he fled the challenge!
http://tinyurl.com/6m4ub5q
Sept. 5th 2011
asked for evidence for this Jesus of his. Duck & Run ducked & ran!
http://tinyurl.com/3brposl
On January 22, 2011, under the title: "Chicken Duke Has a Beautifully
Clean Pair of heels Does he Not?" I requested "Please provide
independent evidence - that is, from *outside* the Bible - that there
ever was a Jesus Christ, miracle working son of a god."
Chicken Duke couldn't do it.
http://tinyurl.com/4h6wdzm
Then there was this:
http://tinyurl.com/4dk7aoz
Jan 16, 2011, I requested this of Chicken Duke:
please provide *positive* *scientific* evidence for a creator or for a
creation, and post it right here in response to this message.
This was in response to his assertion that "Existence mandates
creation".
He ran away.
http://tinyurl.com/29hkt7j
December 22nd 2010, in which Chicken Duke was challenged to support
statements he has made repeatedly on Usenet. Once again he ran from
them like the stinking diarrhea he is and hid behind an irrelevant and
dishoenst non-sequitur.
Prior to that he ran from a similar challenge just the day before(!):
He ran from a challenge to support his bullshit on December 21st,
2010:
http://tinyurl.com/29hkt7j
And just the month before that:
http://tinyurl.com/2d5xtf3
November 20th 2010, he ran form these five simple questions rather
than support his god, thereby proving that he's nothing but another
limp Peter at the passion!
Here are the questions:
1. That the figure you quoted is true.
2. That they all believe in the *same* deity.
3. That this single deity actually exists
4. That this single deity actually created the universe
5. That this single deity is not a figment of their imagination
Here's my prediction at the time:
Time to show us that clean pair of heels again, Chicken Duck & Run.
Yep - he ran!
Claimed there are "gargantuan holes" in the Theory of Evolution and
then RAN when I called him on it:
http://tinyurl.com/27kf2da
The entire "Why There Isn't a God" series, started here:
http://tinyurl.com/6b9et
Duck & Run Ran Away - that is to say he failed 100% to actually get to
grips with the subject matter in any of those threads, his 'response'
consisting solely of chanting "no it isn't" or words to that effect.
He could offer no rebuttal, let alone refutation, he could not support
a single thing he claimed and he could offer zero rationale for his
position.
Let's face it, on this basis, he's run away from the entire "Why the
Holy Bible Lies" series, the entire "Why There Was No Flood" series,
and all of the the "Issues The Anti-Choice Crowd Carefully Avoid"
series so far.
Petition to Save the Hubble Telescope
Duck & Run makes yet another blind claim "it's the same old sky" he
blathers, like there couldn't possibly be anything new to discover,
yet I proved him entirely wrong - again.
http://tinyurl.com/2qmyz
Scientists find new face on back of Turin shroud
http://tinyurl.com/2bx6jcf
Duck & Run, shrouded in cowardice, ran away.
The Inquisition
http://tinyurl.com/4pokf
Duck & Run didn't expect the inquisition....
Another Problem for Creation IDiots
http://tinyurl.com/3px9j
Duck & Run proved to be a creation IDiot.
Human aspect of Jesus
http://tinyurl.com/4w488
Duck and Run has provided us with a de facto admission that there was
no Jesus Christ, miracle-working son-of-a-god.
Jesus's three days sacrifice
http://tinyurl.com/3jhop
Duck & Run sacrificed the truth and got caught.
Which is the real God???
http://tinyurl.com/6bnoo
Duck & Run didn't know.
God isn't very smart about spreading his word, is he?
http://tinyurl.com/7xjux
Neither is Duck & Run.
Why did Mekkla run away from a discussion of Heb 8:7-13?
http://tinyurl.com/4v759
Duck & Run opened this thread to accuse someone else of running away.
As soon as he was challenged, Duck & Run ran away!
Why Didn't Jesus Die Sooner?
http://tinyurl.com/5gevm
Duck & Run's claims died sooner.
Why is Duke Such a Coward?
http://tinyurl.com/5p3qt
Duck & Run ran away, proving what a coward he is.
Duck & Run's five evidences of god
(that he later admitted were not evidences):
http://tinyurl.com/3otzr
Questions that Duke Can't Answer
(in which I accused Duck & Run of running away and from which
he...**RAN AWAY**! The questions remain unanswered. There are only
ten numbered questions in this thread, assembled from previous threads
from which
Duck & Run ran away. Duck & Run lied there were 75 questions
and...ran away!)
http://tinyurl.com/5ozyl
There are now well over one hundred unanswered questions that Duck &
Run has fled. Here's the bulk of them:
http://tinyurl.com/ad89u
http://tinyurl.com/9ky7y
Duck & Run thinks Christianity, which post-dates Mithraism by seven
centuries, gave rise to Mithraism:
http://tinyurl.com/yzp9bk
Duck & Run ran away.
Duke: Global Flood Challenge
A thread which I opened specifically at Duck & Run's request, and from
which he, predictably, ran away. He admitted there is no evidence for
a global flood, I presented abundant evidence that there never was
one,
Duck & Run offered zero rebuttal and ran away as he again did in the
recent flood series.
http://tinyurl.com/4l83y
Evidence that Duke can't refute:
http://tinyurl.com/5l2av
Duck & Run failed to refute the evidence and ran away, thereby proving
my case
An Answer to Pascal's Wager
http://tinyurl.com/4y63n
In which I accuse Duck & Run of running away. He ran away!
Thread: "Why Puke is Such a Pathological, Unregenerate, Cowardly,
Lying, Hypocritical Asshole"
http://tinyurl.com/4ant3
Duck & Run ran away because he's a pathological, unregenerate,
cowardly, lying hypocritical asshole.
Thread: "Duke's Chronic lying"
http://tinyurl.com/3ra8l
Duck & Run ran away.
Thread: "aqotm - bud(ikka) style"
http://tinyurl.com/4r4gz
Duck & Run ran away from his own clueless stupidity
Thread: "Duke: Global Flood Challenge"
http://tinyurl.com/3qd5m
Duck & Run was out of his depth - as he's recently proven again - and
so he...ran away!
Thread: "The Bland Assumption of Jesus' Existence"
http://tinyurl.com/5kj3m
Duck & Run ran away as I blandly assumed he would.
Thread: "Running Scriptural Circles Around Duke"
http://tinyurl.com/3ozwo
Duck & Run ran away after I ran scriptural circles around him
And my favorite:
http://tinyurl.com/487vc
This was a cowardly thread Duck & Run opened titled "Budikka Runs
Away". He set this up because he was peeved that he didn't get an
instant response from me in another thread! He never told me he'd
opened this alternate thread, yet he accused me of running away in
it! LoL! When I finally happened across it and challenged him in it,
he ran away! How pathetic is that?!
And more than once/month for an entire 12 month period starting April
2009:
April 21st, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yzywu7q
July 12th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybrmfxp
August 16th,2009: http://tinyurl.com/kjjmn4
September 10th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/oasqn8
October 3rd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybvtw53
November 9th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yjlmbrf
November 19th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yj64yqj
November 20th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybrkvyh
November 22nd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ycw6s8l
November 25th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ygafw5d
November 29th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yakpje3
November 29th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ygafw5d
December 5th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yzt9f4m
December 7th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yllcb6q
December 8th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ybzvv33
December 13th, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/yakex6v
December 23rd, 2009: http://tinyurl.com/y9k8kpv
January 1st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybnesb2
January 24th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybsqw3l
January 27th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycgm8u8
January 31st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycemfpo
February 3rd, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybsqw3l
February 15th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yjjj93v
February 16th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ycemfpo
February 22nd, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ye59brz
March 1st, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ykgtezr
March 6th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yjhe3fe
March 9th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/ybnahkb
March 11th, 2010: http://tinyurl.com/yl8hcea
The best comment from him was in alt.atheism on January 5th, 2004, at
5:46 pm when he said, "I've heard myself say a lot of vocal things,
but I've never heard myself think." (http://tinyurl.com/f48bq). This
explains everything, including why he's such a gashole. All he can do
is impotently snipe at people, since he has nothing of value or
intelligence to say and he demonstrably cannot support a single claim
he makes.
He has no proof, no evidence - not even an intelligent argument. He
does not think because he cannot. He's quite loco, and like a loco,
he's stuck on a pair of narrow rails. He has no clue he's on them,
let alone how to get off. And the track to which he's limited leads
to a dead end - which he hilariously thinks is "Heaven"!
The best "evidence" of a god he was ever capable of producing was a
lackluster five items he posted in thread "Scientists find new face on
back of Turin shroud" in a.a. on April 18 2004, 9:52 am:
http://tinyurl.com/c6hkg.
He appears to have appropriated "his" five evidences from Thomas
Aquinas who, c1245, published "Summa theologiae" which contained five
"Ways" to "prove" some god's existence, all of which have been
thoroughly discredited.
He admitted his "own" five ways were nothing but blind belief in alt
atheism in a thread called "The Inquisition" message posted on
Saturday, 12 June, 2004 11:52am:
http://tinyurl.com/bc5ud
but that was all he could do after the massive pounding he got.
I used those same five items in a spoof edition of my "Why There is no
God" series (http://tinyurl.com/bz54w). I changed a word here and
there and all of his five "evidences" miraculously became evidence for
the non-existence of a god! Naturally I didn't count them in the 666
since they were so pathetic.
His comments aren't born of smarts, logic, rational or evidence,
they're born of desperation. Neither are his comments aimed at the
material - they rarely are. He's incapable of having a rational
exchange on a topic. He spits out idiocy and insult and runs away.
His comments are not designed to enlighten, help, or exchange
anything, but to abuse people. He's the very antithesis of this
purported Christian love he's supposed to dispense.
He never documents or supports a single thing he says, whereas the
cowardice and lies of this pathetic hypocrite for Christ have been
fully documented on Usenet. His despicable behavior and his
slanderous unfounded charges (he thinks turning the other cheek means
mooning someone) are why he was mass-plonked by pretty near the entire
regular set on a.a.:
http://tinyurl.com/9gycg
It's a sign of how pathetic he is, how low he's sinking and how
desperate he's become since he was cut off, that he now has to beg for
atheists to talk to him by posting inane rants against us - this from
the guy who claims to be a Christian, who claims to do unto others as
he would be done by, and who lies about turning the other cheek!
His cowardice in "debate" or even discussion is legendary:
1. http://tinyurl.com/ac2vg
2. http://tinyurl.com/4dyok
3. http://tinyurl.com/664yu
4. http://tinyurl.com/apenc
He thinks Christianity, which post-dates Mithraism by seven centuries,
gave rise to Mithraism:
http://tinyurl.com/yzp9bk
He's quite literally astronomically stupid:
http://tinyurl.com/yhyopg
("the same "sky" that's already been looked at."!)
http://tinyurl.com/6fbwqh
He claims he can run rings around anyone on scripture, but when he was
actually taken up directly on this claim:
http://tinyurl.com/3z47u
he ran away!
He has numerous documented lies:
http://tinyurl.com/5zlzx
http://tinyurl.com/ablwm
He regularly demands people open discussions on his god, and when they
do, he runs away. I personally had him run from the *same topic* well
over 100 times in direct response to a challenge *he* made!
He dismally failed the simplest intelligence test imaginable:
http://tinyurl.com/7zm43
He has fifty questions he can't answer or daren't answer honestly
here:
http://tinyurl.com/ad89u (October 22nd 2004)
and fifty more here:
http://tinyurl.com/9ky7y (July 16th 2005)
In short, he's a waste of a human being and not worth any response
other than this.
End of Douche. Case closed.
Budikka
Free Lunch
Jan 1, 2012, 6:55:11 PM1/1/12
to
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:09:31 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
doctrines that have been demonstrated to be false, but since they are
_your_ doctrines, you refuse to admit your mistake. This is about your
hubris and has nothing to do with science.
Colanth
Jan 1, 2012, 7:36:23 PM1/1/12
to
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:09:31 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCD87204...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>> .
>>>
>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>
>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>
>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>
>Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
Andrew, no one is interested in refuting your distortion of what
science REALLY is.
--
Arguement? No, this is Abuse. Arguement is next door.
bpuharic
Jan 1, 2012, 7:42:57 PM1/1/12
to
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:12:57 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
>The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>in any way.
actually it has
but that's irrelevant. it's the truth so it's useful
creationism is wrong. it's always been wrong which is why creationists
attack science rather than defend creationism
>
>> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> this is antibiotic resistance.
>
>Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>descent."
who says?
>
>Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
IOW evolution isnt useful because, even though it's useful, it's not
useful
uh...OK...
creationism is a 2000 year old lie
wrote:
>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
>The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>in any way.
but that's irrelevant. it's the truth so it's useful
creationism is wrong. it's always been wrong which is why creationists
attack science rather than defend creationism
>
>> That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> this is antibiotic resistance.
>
>Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>descent."
>
>Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
useful
uh...OK...
creationism is a 2000 year old lie
bpuharic
Jan 1, 2012, 7:46:01 PM1/1/12
to
>Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
who says? because that's a prediction of darwin. so the fact we know
>selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
bacteria undergo evolution is simply denied by you...as you admit it
happens
yeah. that sounds like a creationism
>Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
>information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
>the *creation model* of origins.
bacteria existed, let alone that they can develop resistance.
creationism is a failure
>
Andrew
Jan 2, 2012, 5:13:35 AM1/2/12
to
"Colanth" wrote in message news:0vu1g7ppin3evn1h3...@4ax.com...
>Andrew" wrote:
>Andrew" wrote:
>>"Irreverend Dave" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>
>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>> in any way.
>>>
>>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>>
>>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>>
>>Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>>selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>>upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
> Nor does SCIENCE say it is.
Finally!
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>
>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>> in any way.
>>>
>>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>>
>>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>>
>>Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>>selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>>upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
> Nor does SCIENCE say it is.
Budikka
Jan 2, 2012, 8:07:50 AM1/2/12
to
>
> read more »
I gave you another chance to redeem yourself for your documented
cowardice over the years and you FLED.
Keep running Chickenshit for Christ.
Budikka
Free Lunch
Jan 2, 2012, 10:14:22 AM1/2/12
to
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 02:13:35 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
You are still preaching false doctrines and showing us that you are an
enemy of knowledge because scientific discoveries have shown for all to
see that you do preach false doctrines.
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
enemy of knowledge because scientific discoveries have shown for all to
see that you do preach false doctrines.
Colanth
Jan 2, 2012, 4:36:40 PM1/2/12
to
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 02:13:35 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
wrong.
Finally.
--
"Each of us is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts."
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Irreverend Dave
Jan 2, 2012, 9:43:30 PM1/2/12
to
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
> "Irreverend Dave" wrote in message
> news:Xns9FCD87204...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>> .
>>>
>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>
>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>
>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>
> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
By what processe does this adaptation that you speak of occur????
> "Irreverend Dave" wrote in message
> news:Xns9FCD87204...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in message
>>> news:e40af1fd-252e-447d-888e-
>> b1facb...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com..
>>> .
>>>
>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>
>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>
>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>
> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
> Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
> information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
> the *creation model* of origins.
>
> This continued after the Fall, as we see in the many pathogens
> of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
> in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
Berkley website. Had you done so you would have encountered this on the
fourth page....
"The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV, shown here budding from a white
blood cell) is one of the fastest evolving entities known. It reproduces
sloppily, accumulating lots of mutations when it copies its genetic
material. It also reproduces at a lightning-fast rate.A single virus can
spawn billions of copies in just one day. To fight HIV, we must
understand its evolution within the human body and then ultimately find a
way to control its evolution."
Andrew
Jan 2, 2012, 10:06:15 PM1/2/12
to
"Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCEE07D0...@195.67.212.194...
>> Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
>> information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
>> the *creation model* of origins.
>
> What exactly is the "creation model"?
>
>> This continued after the Fall, as we see in the many pathogens
>> of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
>> in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
>
> It's pretty obvious that you didn't bother to take a gander at the
> Berkley website. Had you done so you would have encountered this on the
> fourth page....
>
> "The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV, shown here budding from a white
> blood cell) is one of the fastest evolving entities known. It reproduces
> sloppily, accumulating lots of mutations when it copies its genetic
> material. It also reproduces at a lightning-fast rate.A single virus can
> spawn billions of copies in just one day. To fight HIV, we must
> understand its evolution within the human body and then ultimately find a
> way to control its evolution."
One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Irreverend Dave" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Irreverend Dave" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>
>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>> in any way.
>>>
>>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>>
>>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>>
>> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
> By what processe does this adaptation that you speak of occur????
Usually by natural selection.
>>>>
>>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>
>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>> in any way.
>>>
>>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>>
>>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>>
>> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>
> By what processe does this adaptation that you speak of occur????
>> Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
>> information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
>> the *creation model* of origins.
>
> What exactly is the "creation model"?
>
>> This continued after the Fall, as we see in the many pathogens
>> of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
>> in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
>
> It's pretty obvious that you didn't bother to take a gander at the
> Berkley website. Had you done so you would have encountered this on the
> fourth page....
>
> "The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV, shown here budding from a white
> blood cell) is one of the fastest evolving entities known. It reproduces
> sloppily, accumulating lots of mutations when it copies its genetic
> material. It also reproduces at a lightning-fast rate.A single virus can
> spawn billions of copies in just one day. To fight HIV, we must
> understand its evolution within the human body and then ultimately find a
> way to control its evolution."
their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
Irreverend Dave
Jan 3, 2012, 12:46:32 AM1/3/12
to
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
> "Irreverend Dave" wrote in message
> news:Xns9FCEE07D0...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Irreverend Dave" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>>> in any way.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>>>
>>>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>>>
>>> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>>> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>>> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>>
>> By what processe does this adaptation that you speak of occur????
>
> Usually by natural selection.
So in other words by evolution, which in the case of viruses means genetic
> "Irreverend Dave" wrote in message
> news:Xns9FCEE07D0...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Irreverend Dave" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>>> in any way.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>>>
>>>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>>>
>>> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>>> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>>> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>>
>> By what processe does this adaptation that you speak of occur????
>
> Usually by natural selection.
mutation.
>
>>> Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
>>> information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
>>> the *creation model* of origins.
>>
>> What exactly is the "creation model"?
>>
>>> This continued after the Fall, as we see in the many pathogens
>>> of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
>>> in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
>>
>> It's pretty obvious that you didn't bother to take a gander at the
>> Berkley website. Had you done so you would have encountered this on
>> the fourth page....
>>
>> "The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV, shown here budding from a
>> white blood cell) is one of the fastest evolving entities known. It
>> reproduces sloppily, accumulating lots of mutations when it copies
>> its genetic material. It also reproduces at a lightning-fast rate.A
>> single virus can spawn billions of copies in just one day. To fight
>> HIV, we must understand its evolution within the human body and then
>> ultimately find a way to control its evolution."
>
> One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
> their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
Free Lunch
Jan 3, 2012, 3:37:57 AM1/3/12
to
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:06:15 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCEE07D0...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Irreverend Dave" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>>> in any way.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>>>
>>>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>>>
>>> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>>> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>>> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>>
>> By what processe does this adaptation that you speak of occur????
>
>Usually by natural selection.
Nope.
>>> Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
>>> information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
>>> the *creation model* of origins.
>>
>> What exactly is the "creation model"?
>>
>>> This continued after the Fall, as we see in the many pathogens
>>> of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
>>> in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
>>
>> It's pretty obvious that you didn't bother to take a gander at the
>> Berkley website. Had you done so you would have encountered this on the
>> fourth page....
>>
>> "The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV, shown here budding from a white
>> blood cell) is one of the fastest evolving entities known. It reproduces
>> sloppily, accumulating lots of mutations when it copies its genetic
>> material. It also reproduces at a lightning-fast rate.A single virus can
>> spawn billions of copies in just one day. To fight HIV, we must
>> understand its evolution within the human body and then ultimately find a
>> way to control its evolution."
>
>One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
>their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
Understanding evolution includes understanding the implication provided
by the evidence that there is a common ancestry of life on earth.
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Irreverend Dave" wrote in message news:Xns9FCEE07D0...@195.67.212.194...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Irreverend Dave" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>>>> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>>> in any way.
>>>>
>>>> You might want to consider reading this...
>>>>
>>>> http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/medicine_01
>>>
>>> Our understanding of the fact that pathogens will adapt to
>>> selective environmental pressure is not in any way dependent
>>> upon the acceptance of Darwin's theory of "common descent."
>>
>> By what processe does this adaptation that you speak of occur????
>
>Usually by natural selection.
>>> Descent with modification which is within the limits of the
>>> information that is within the gene pool is in harmony with
>>> the *creation model* of origins.
>>
>> What exactly is the "creation model"?
>>
>>> This continued after the Fall, as we see in the many pathogens
>>> of today. Our understanding of these diseases is not dependent
>>> in any way on an understanding Darwin's theory.
>>
>> It's pretty obvious that you didn't bother to take a gander at the
>> Berkley website. Had you done so you would have encountered this on the
>> fourth page....
>>
>> "The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV, shown here budding from a white
>> blood cell) is one of the fastest evolving entities known. It reproduces
>> sloppily, accumulating lots of mutations when it copies its genetic
>> material. It also reproduces at a lightning-fast rate.A single virus can
>> spawn billions of copies in just one day. To fight HIV, we must
>> understand its evolution within the human body and then ultimately find a
>> way to control its evolution."
>
>One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
>their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
by the evidence that there is a common ancestry of life on earth.
Colanth
Jan 3, 2012, 12:14:53 PM1/3/12
to
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:06:15 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
>their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
You're beating a horse that's already been slaughtered, cut up, sold
as meat, cooked, eaten and eliminated. IOW, your entire argument is
horse shit - except that real horse shit can be used as fertilizer.
Whether HIV descended from the same original ancestor as we did (and
science doesn't make that claim), it STILL evolved from SIV, which is
a whole 'nother thing.
--
"I heard somebody say, 'Where's Nelson Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead.
Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." - George W. Bush
JohnN
Jan 3, 2012, 1:09:49 PM1/3/12
to
On Dec 31 2011, 10:04 pm, "Mike Painter" <md.pain...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> > "Budikka666" wrote in message
> >news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Have I got great idea. We open an early 19th century medical clinic
based on medical texts printed before Darwin published. To be safe,
nothing printed before 1840. We open the clinic in Kentucky next to
the Creationism "museum" thingy so the fundies can find it. I bet we
can get money from the state to build it.
We don't take Medicare so the Republican Tea Party members aren't
socialists and are keeping government small. The real money will be
the open pit graveyard we operate just down the road. The only expense
there will be a few bags of lye per week and an old backhoe.
JohnN
wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
> > "Budikka666" wrote in message
> >news:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
> >> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> > The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> > has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> > in any way.
>
> >> Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
> >> evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> > The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> > has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> > in any way.
>
> Modern medicine says it is essential, Andrew says it is not.
>
> The next time you get sick I'd suggest going to Andrew for help if you agree
> with him.
Andrew:
>
> The next time you get sick I'd suggest going to Andrew for help if you agree
> with him.
Have I got great idea. We open an early 19th century medical clinic
based on medical texts printed before Darwin published. To be safe,
nothing printed before 1840. We open the clinic in Kentucky next to
the Creationism "museum" thingy so the fundies can find it. I bet we
can get money from the state to build it.
We don't take Medicare so the Republican Tea Party members aren't
socialists and are keeping government small. The real money will be
the open pit graveyard we operate just down the road. The only expense
there will be a few bags of lye per week and an old backhoe.
JohnN
bpuharic
Jan 3, 2012, 1:51:14 PM1/3/12
to
>"I
creationism didnt even know viruses existed
>
>One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
>their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
>
>
they are identical.
>One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
>their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
>
>
creationism didnt even know viruses existed
Colanth
Jan 5, 2012, 8:19:29 AM1/5/12
to
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:09:49 -0800 (PST), JohnN <jnor...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
No backhoe - they hadn't been invented even as late as Darwin's time.
We could help unemployment at the same time as curing people of
ancient diseases by employing laborers with shovels. Of course we'd
pay $2/week - that was about the salary back then.
wrote:
We could help unemployment at the same time as curing people of
ancient diseases by employing laborers with shovels. Of course we'd
pay $2/week - that was about the salary back then.
Robert Weldon
Jan 6, 2012, 11:55:54 AM1/6/12
to
"SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ca8986e0-4e60-468e...@q9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
> descent."
are, and how they got there?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Isn't that where the Jedi get their force powers from???
news:ca8986e0-4e60-468e...@q9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
>
> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>
> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
> in any way.
>
> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>
> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>
> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
> descent."
>
> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>
> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>
> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
> them."
> ~ Andrew
Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells
> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
> them."
> ~ Andrew
are, and how they got there?
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Colanth
Jan 6, 2012, 2:13:15 PM1/6/12
to
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
<revere...@ministerpants.com> wrote:
>"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>> One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
>> their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
>But it is dependent on Darwin's theory of evolution.
Andrew likes to pick out tiny little things that may or may not be
totally correct, then claim that the invalidate whole fields of
science. It's like claiming that one speck of dust on one of your
tires keeps internal combustion technology from being valid.
--
"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's
job to interpret law." - George Bush
<revere...@ministerpants.com> wrote:
>"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>> One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent upon
>> their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common descent."
>But it is dependent on Darwin's theory of evolution.
totally correct, then claim that the invalidate whole fields of
science. It's like claiming that one speck of dust on one of your
tires keeps internal combustion technology from being valid.
--
"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's
job to interpret law." - George Bush
Andrew
Jan 6, 2012, 9:38:00 PM1/6/12
to
"Robert Weldon" wrote in message news:3JFNq.69260$ed2....@newsfe05.iad...
> and how they got there?
Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
He is the One who loves you.
> "SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message news:ca8986e0-4e60-468e...@q9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 31, 7:12 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>
>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>> in any way.
>>
>> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>>
>> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>> descent."
>>
>> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>>
>> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>> them."
>> ~ Andrew
>
> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells are,
They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
> On Dec 31, 7:12 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>
>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>> in any way.
>>
>> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>>
>> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>> descent."
>>
>> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>>
>> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>> them."
>> ~ Andrew
>
> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells are,
> and how they got there?
He is the One who loves you.
Christopher A. Lee
Jan 6, 2012, 9:39:55 PM1/6/12
to
On Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:38:00 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"Robert Weldon" wrote in message news:3JFNq.69260$ed2....@newsfe05.iad...
>> "SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message news:ca8986e0-4e60-468e...@q9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 31, 7:12 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>>
>>> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>>> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>>> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>>>
>>> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>>> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>>> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>>> descent."
>>>
>>> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>>>
>>> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>>> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>>> them."
>>> ~ Andrew
>>
>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells are,
>
>They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
Idiot.
>> and how they got there?
>
>Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
Idiot.
>He is the One who loves you.
Liar.
Apart from you, we've all got loved ones who also love us.
Real people, not pretend friends.
wrote:
>"Robert Weldon" wrote in message news:3JFNq.69260$ed2....@newsfe05.iad...
>> "SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message news:ca8986e0-4e60-468e...@q9g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 31, 7:12 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:e40af1fd-252e-447d...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>>> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>
>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>> in any way.
>>>
>>> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>>> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>>> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>>>
>>> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>>> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>>> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>>> descent."
>>>
>>> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>>>
>>> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>>> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>>> them."
>>> ~ Andrew
>>
>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells are,
>
>They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>> and how they got there?
>
>Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>He is the One who loves you.
Apart from you, we've all got loved ones who also love us.
Real people, not pretend friends.
The Magpie
Jan 7, 2012, 11:29:46 AM1/7/12
to
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
On 06/01/2012 16:55, Robert Weldon wrote:
>
> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
> cells are, and how they got there?
>
My bet would be "no" Brenda.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPCHL6AAoJEKy1URILypCGK2MH/iwdx2evRiY/oHPcLCwVuWBY
w3RfFZ8OwGe74nnkwG4AIJbQKnu+kVJNg7we2FN8qj1PnAih8daNCzyn58YmLPm1
p6tMa7cxwEAemmDZaG9GR/oB0JoAn7TH2i+RkIHTRQB8ctZPDZa7RQBVuXTu5nJl
NEA3o5ndnLfNkN36pbC5jAZtCPVbo+SHhKtYTZ1tsAHBJGPz/enDQvqvTQYwgyYc
DsYPiW032/cvPFQU5e++noOcuOpfoi7veh6kN+8GGJSh7o9eOe4GQjIOJ1baxKq/
PtTg7b+co2EKnsITR79k52WXxa8nxU84LR1TuiA1yBDJJLClls759T6vDYRXPu8=
=g63B
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hash: SHA1
On 06/01/2012 16:55, Robert Weldon wrote:
>
> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
> cells are, and how they got there?
>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPCHL6AAoJEKy1URILypCGK2MH/iwdx2evRiY/oHPcLCwVuWBY
w3RfFZ8OwGe74nnkwG4AIJbQKnu+kVJNg7we2FN8qj1PnAih8daNCzyn58YmLPm1
p6tMa7cxwEAemmDZaG9GR/oB0JoAn7TH2i+RkIHTRQB8ctZPDZa7RQBVuXTu5nJl
NEA3o5ndnLfNkN36pbC5jAZtCPVbo+SHhKtYTZ1tsAHBJGPz/enDQvqvTQYwgyYc
DsYPiW032/cvPFQU5e++noOcuOpfoi7veh6kN+8GGJSh7o9eOe4GQjIOJ1baxKq/
PtTg7b+co2EKnsITR79k52WXxa8nxU84LR1TuiA1yBDJJLClls759T6vDYRXPu8=
=g63B
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The Magpie
Jan 7, 2012, 11:33:24 AM1/7/12
to
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Hash: SHA1
On 07/01/2012 02:38, Andrew wrote:
> "Robert Weldon" wrote in message
> news:3JFNq.69260$ed2....@newsfe05.iad...
>>
> "Robert Weldon" wrote in message
> news:3JFNq.69260$ed2....@newsfe05.iad...
>>
>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
>> cells are,
>
> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>
Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>> cells are,
>
> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>
>
>> and how they got there?
>
> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>
Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue how they
>> and how they got there?
>
> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>
got there either. Figures.
>
> He is the One who loves you.
>
I smugly sit here knowing that in the extraordinarily remote
> He is the One who loves you.
>
possibility that any deity or deities exist, they would at least be a
lot smarter than Andrew....
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
VFh8ZjBCmsWZBa6biTiDhDPRQSdP5h1NXZZQu5xwbXPtDZL3myLxCwhXUQDEiNHr
wHHopZfJXb4ZIYPpF9gizKOmEZSJraqlHzQ8ABiYXaib33OIHj5HbOQsYgv1Qi28
qIL1LR5lFyVZCVXrJNJLKMeIdQ05qN44D0zd7BLWIiO+PL27NiKCF85DruuSXqU3
MENUCwtAc/JXTT8Q/5RXB0o5L5nG2UedgveDbjpo7W3efg1BclPVdWg2GbKPG18+
VUw8o7OTWg5oRy3NFn47GNx4SNSq927fiieSNbisJbyLnU7DccbCvmHx3ImJPhE=
=7lNb
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Irreverend Dave
Jan 7, 2012, 12:14:29 PM1/7/12
to
Colanth <col...@pern.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
> <revere...@ministerpants.com> wrote:
>
>>"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>
>>> One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent
>>> upon their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common
>>> descent."
>
>>But it is dependent on Darwin's theory of evolution.
>
> Andrew likes to pick out tiny little things that may or may not be
> totally correct, then claim that the invalidate whole fields of
> science. It's like claiming that one speck of dust on one of your
> tires keeps internal combustion technology from being valid.
If I'm not mistaken the original post was concerned with how virologists
> On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
> <revere...@ministerpants.com> wrote:
>
>>"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>
>>> One's understanding of HIV evolution is not in any way dependent
>>> upon their acceptance of Darwin's hypothesis of "universal common
>>> descent."
>
>>But it is dependent on Darwin's theory of evolution.
>
> Andrew likes to pick out tiny little things that may or may not be
> totally correct, then claim that the invalidate whole fields of
> science. It's like claiming that one speck of dust on one of your
> tires keeps internal combustion technology from being valid.
used knowledge obtained as a result of the theory of evolution in order
to come up with vaccines. Andrew merely shifted the goalposts by trying
to turn it into an issue concerning one aspect of evolution - common
descent.
It's really sad that creationists treat science like a house of cards.
They seem to believe that if they can find just one supposed flaw in a
theory then the whole theory falls apart leaving belief in God as the
only alternative. Not just closed minded, but simple minded as well.
Andrew
Jan 7, 2012, 2:08:53 PM1/7/12
to
"The Magpie" wrote in message news:tt_Nq.69480$925....@newsfe16.ams2...
Andrew wrote:
a hypothesis. Because this is *the story* that was presented to you, and the
alternative was unthinkable.
"Professors of Darwinism have no limits
Andrew wrote:
>> "Robert Weldon" wrote:
>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
>>> cells are,
>>
>> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>
> Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>>
>>> and how they got there?
>>
>> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>>
> Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue how they
> got there either. Figures.
It appears that you have accepted endosymbiosis as being a fact, rather than
>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
>>> cells are,
>>
>> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>
> Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>>
>>> and how they got there?
>>
>> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>>
> Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue how they
> got there either. Figures.
a hypothesis. Because this is *the story* that was presented to you, and the
alternative was unthinkable.
"Professors of Darwinism have no limits
Andrew
Jan 7, 2012, 2:08:53 PM1/7/12
to
"The Magpie" wrote in message news:tt_Nq.69480$925....@newsfe16.ams2...
Andrew wrote:
>> "Robert Weldon" wrote:
>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
>>> cells are,
>>
>> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>
> Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>>
>>> and how they got there?
>>
>> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>>
> Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue how they
> got there either. Figures.
>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
>>> cells are,
>>
>> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>
> Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>>
>>> and how they got there?
>>
>> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>>
> Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue how they
> got there either. Figures.
It appears that you have accepted endosymbiosis as being a fact, rather than
a hypothesis. Because this is *the story* that was presented to you, and the
alternative was unthinkable.
"Professors of Darwinism have no limits
a hypothesis. Because this is *the story* that was presented to you, and the
alternative was unthinkable.
Christopher A. Lee
Jan 7, 2012, 2:12:47 PM1/7/12
to
On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:08:53 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"The Magpie" wrote in message news:tt_Nq.69480$925....@newsfe16.ams2...
>Andrew wrote:
>>> "Robert Weldon" wrote:
>>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
>>>> cells are,
>>>
>>> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>>
>> Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>>>
>>>> and how they got there?
>>>
>>> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>>>
>> Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue how they
>> got there either. Figures.
>
>It appears that you have accepted endosymbiosis as being a fact, rather than
>a hypothesis. Because this is *the story* that was presented to you, and the
>alternative was unthinkable.
Liar.
>"Professors of Darwinism
Liar.
> have no limits
> except those of their fantasies, and the
> credulity of those who listen to them."
Liar.
> ~ Andrew
>
wrote:
>"The Magpie" wrote in message news:tt_Nq.69480$925....@newsfe16.ams2...
>Andrew wrote:
>>> "Robert Weldon" wrote:
>>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your
>>>> cells are,
>>>
>>> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>>
>> Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>>>
>>>> and how they got there?
>>>
>>> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>>>
>> Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue how they
>> got there either. Figures.
>
>It appears that you have accepted endosymbiosis as being a fact, rather than
>a hypothesis. Because this is *the story* that was presented to you, and the
>alternative was unthinkable.
>"Professors of Darwinism
Liar.
> have no limits
> except those of their fantasies, and the
> credulity of those who listen to them."
> ~ Andrew
>
Colanth
Jan 7, 2012, 2:35:30 PM1/7/12
to
there. They're viruses. Our distant (VERY distant) ancestors got
infected with them. THAT'S how they got there.
That's just another gap your god-o-the-gaps doesn't live in any more.
We keep evicting him from every home you find for him. Pretty soon
there won't be any place left, and people like you will be kept on
reservations, away from normal people, like all the other incurably
insane are.
--
"Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear
of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein
Devils Advocaat
Jan 7, 2012, 3:48:20 PM1/7/12
to
On Jan 7, 7:08 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "The Magpie" wrote in messagenews:tt_Nq.69480$925....@newsfe16.ams2...
The evidence for endosymbiosis is as plain as the nose on your ugly
little primate face.
> "The Magpie" wrote in messagenews:tt_Nq.69480$925....@newsfe16.ams2...
little primate face.
Colanth
Jan 7, 2012, 4:13:19 PM1/7/12
to
On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:14:29 +0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
And they only do it for certain theories. They like Newton, even
though Einstein "overturned" him.
--
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.
though Einstein "overturned" him.
--
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.
Free Lunch
Jan 7, 2012, 4:14:30 PM1/7/12
to
On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:08:53 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
dismiss is consistent with all of the evidence gathered so far and it
makes testable predictions that could turn out to be false. You offer
nothing but religious dogma.
Andrew
Jan 7, 2012, 4:52:37 PM1/7/12
to
"Colanth" wrote in message news:ue7hg75jjfahm9gar...@4ax.com...
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
No.
> They're viruses.
.. huh?
> Our distant (VERY distant) ancestors got
> infected with them.
Except that our ancestors were dependent upon them to be alive.
Meaning that our ancestors did not exist without mitochondria.
> THAT'S how they got there.
Riight!
"Professors of Darwinism have no limits
> "Andrew" wrote:
>>"Robert Weldon" wrote:
>>> "SkyEyes" wrote:
>>"Robert Weldon" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>
>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>> in any way.
>>>>
>>>> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>>>> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>>>> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>>>>
>>>> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>>>> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>>>> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>>>> descent."
>>>>
>>>> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>>>>
>>>> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>>>> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>>>> them."
>>>> ~ Andrew
>>>
>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells are,
>>
>>They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>
>>> and how they got there?
>>
>>Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>
> No, see Andrew, we actually now KNOW what they are and how they got
> there.
Does this have peer reviewed scientific acceptance?
>>>> > Neither I nor any medical practitioner has ever said that
>>>> > evolution is essential for all medicine at all times.
>>>>
>>>> The Darwinist deception of "universal common descent"
>>>> has not been helpful to mankind, or to modern medicine
>>>> in any way.
>>>>
>>>> > That's the creationist straw man. But the *fact* remains
>>>> > that evolution informs medicine, and one major area of
>>>> > this is antibiotic resistance.
>>>>
>>>> Our understanding of the fact that bacteria adapt to selective
>>>> environmental pressure is not in any way dependent upon the
>>>> acceptance of the Darwinist deception of "universal common
>>>> descent."
>>>>
>>>> Therefore you and the other Darwinists--->have been deceived.
>>>>
>>>> "The professors of Darwinism have no limits except those
>>>> of their fantasies, and the credulity of those who listen to
>>>> them."
>>>> ~ Andrew
>>>
>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in your cells are,
>>
>>They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>
>>> and how they got there?
>>
>>Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>
> No, see Andrew, we actually now KNOW what they are and how they got
> there.
No.
> They're viruses.
.. huh?
> Our distant (VERY distant) ancestors got
> infected with them.
Meaning that our ancestors did not exist without mitochondria.
> THAT'S how they got there.
"Professors of Darwinism have no limits
Free Lunch
Jan 7, 2012, 5:35:36 PM1/7/12
to
On Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:52:37 -0800, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Tell us which scientists in the field reject this explanation and why
they reject it.
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
they reject it.
Irreverend Dave
Jan 8, 2012, 11:27:56 AM1/8/12
to
supposed literal truth of the Bible square in the balls.
Colanth
Jan 8, 2012, 2:10:01 PM1/8/12
to
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:27:56 +0000 (UTC), Irreverend Dave
Them's the ones.
--
"Don't sweat it擁t's not real life. It's only ones and zeroes." - Spaf
--
"Don't sweat it擁t's not real life. It's only ones and zeroes." - Spaf
The Magpie
Jan 8, 2012, 2:36:33 PM1/8/12
to
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Hash: SHA1
On 07/01/2012 19:08, Andrew wrote:
> "The Magpie" wrote in message
> news:tt_Nq.69480$925....@newsfe16.ams2... Andrew wrote:
>>> "Robert Weldon" wrote:
>>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in
>>>> your cells are,
>>>
>>> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>>
>> Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>>>
>>>> and how they got there?
>>>
>>> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>>>
>> Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue
>> how they got there either. Figures.
>
> It appears that you have accepted endosymbiosis as being a fact,
> rather than a hypothesis. Because this is *the story* that was
> presented to you, and the alternative was unthinkable.
>
Actually, Andrew dear boy, I am sufficiently old that when I was
> "The Magpie" wrote in message
> news:tt_Nq.69480$925....@newsfe16.ams2... Andrew wrote:
>>> "Robert Weldon" wrote:
>>>> Andrew, sugarpants, do you know what the mitochondria in
>>>> your cells are,
>>>
>>> They are irreducibly complex organelles in eukaryotic cells
>>>
>> Yup - the answer really *was* that no, he doesn't.
>>>
>>>> and how they got there?
>>>
>>> Yes, they got there by our wonderful Creator, God.
>>>
>> Yup, that figures. Not knowing *what* they are he has no clue
>> how they got there either. Figures.
>
> It appears that you have accepted endosymbiosis as being a fact,
> rather than a hypothesis. Because this is *the story* that was
> presented to you, and the alternative was unthinkable.
>
taught cellular biology no-one knew where they came from.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
gnaO1mvw7nsnUDF8ZK6pJ+FLavfJZmXnCXd8Sv/thbhLnPRn3a7M4QGqapVwVyBP
w6TdpNEssGFxm4d6gYWHnA8Lm/TCkPcRzlkwm278GZVVt6SBN2iNfQD8SpIU0iI4
6ZvVp5EQu32kZoZCh9DZXQFVRx/tgHNHULL0rTE2/KDUvkOLgAzxsMdZssdfb10y
ELk4S8/1P2sVZiz08Lf5B4QxwMeawvrDPMRCnPy6Jz/JIjg6/8AoBf9x5rcml095
n4yKoNGURJDkfPrPBneitX9jydTLEaMiMu8LwLhu969SQvEqScl92/PwzhKNoxw=
=3/9P
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
0 new messages