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Devils Advocaat

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Aug 11, 2009, 5:46:24 AM8/11/09
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Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
fight swine flu:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html

Erwin Moller

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Aug 11, 2009, 6:32:11 AM8/11/09
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Devils Advocaat schreef:

> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> fight swine flu:
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>

LOL,

One understands they want to keep that ritual a secret. ;-)

Erwin Moller

--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare

Nashton

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Aug 11, 2009, 6:34:20 AM8/11/09
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Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
idiots that come and go.

Burkhard

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Aug 11, 2009, 6:40:24 AM8/11/09
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The swine flu virus is an atheist liberal? How do you know? And do you
really think an appeal to political correctness is going to convince the
virus to give in to kabbalic treatment?

Devils Advocaat

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Aug 11, 2009, 7:17:23 AM8/11/09
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On 11 Aug, 11:34, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> Devils Advocaat wrote:
> > Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> > fight swine flu:
>
> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...

>
> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?

Of course I have respect for the way other people live, but that
doesn't mean I can't wonder at why in this modern age a small group of
people choose to resort to ancient rituals which have rarely if ever
proven effective in the fight against disease and then claim that the
danger has passed.

> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all

I am not an atheist liberal, and what are atheist liberals supposed to
have started?

Are you suggesting that atheist liberals are responsible for the
emergence and spread of the A(H1N1) influenza virus?

> and now you're
> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with,

Where have I actually complained about the way they are doing things?

> you
> freaking hypocrite?

Now for me to be a hypocrite (freaking or otherwise), I would have to
have made my position on a given issue public and then behaved in a
way that runs counter to the said position. As I haven't done this, I
am not a hypocrite (freaking or otherwise).

> You're just another moron in an endless stream of
> idiots that come and go.

This could be taken as a complement as morons have a higher IQ and
mental age than idiots, but I will have to disappoint you and tell you
that my IQ and mental age are much higher than that of a moron.

Mike Dworetsky

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Aug 11, 2009, 7:19:23 AM8/11/09
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"Devils Advocaat" <mank...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> fight swine flu:
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>

That plus frequent hand-washing should help. But one wonders why they don't
do this for all flu seasons and for the "common" cold.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

Boikat

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Aug 11, 2009, 8:57:43 AM8/11/09
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On Aug 11, 5:34 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> Devils Advocaat wrote:
> > Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> > fight swine flu:
>
> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...

>
> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?

Geee.... Weren't you saying you didn't have time for anything that
did not have any practical use? What practicla use, escecially when
it comes to desease prevention, is that in a bunch of blokes blowing a
rams horn?

> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all

Started what?

> and now you're
> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with,

Like all those researchers studying biological evolution?

> you
> freaking hypocrite?


And there it is. The irony meter evaporation event.

> You're just another moron in an endless stream of
> idiots that come and go.

"adman" jumps to mind.

Boikat

wf3h

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Aug 11, 2009, 9:08:12 AM8/11/09
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On Aug 11, 6:34 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> Devils Advocaat wrote:
> > Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> > fight swine flu:
>
> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...

>
> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
> freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
> idiots that come and go.

don't you religious fanatics realize that, for thousands of years your
rituals led nowhere but to death? you KILL people and yet you demand
respect.

creationism kills

Dan Listermann

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Aug 11, 2009, 10:08:29 AM8/11/09
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"Devils Advocaat" <mank...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> fight swine flu:
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>

It is as good as any other religions approach.


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Dan Listermann

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Aug 11, 2009, 10:21:51 AM8/11/09
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"Nashton" <na...@na.ca> wrote in message news:h5rhfa$sub$4...@aioe.org...

It is not the sect that was being made fun of, but the raw display of
superstition by the theists. People who don't see a reason to believe in
deities think such things are very funny.


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Mark Evans

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Aug 11, 2009, 10:23:30 AM8/11/09
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On Aug 11, 7:19 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:

>
> That plus frequent hand-washing should help.  But one wonders why they don't
> do this for all flu seasons and for the "common" cold.
>
> --
> Mike Dworetsky
>
> (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

Swine flu isn't kosher?

Dan Listermann

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"wf3h" <wf...@vsswireless.net> wrote in message
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The Catholic church's stand against condoms causes the death of thousands
every year.


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Matt Silberstein

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Aug 11, 2009, 10:44:41 AM8/11/09
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , wf3h
<wf...@vsswireless.net> in
<aa8568ee-ce8c-4938...@g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
wrote:

Really? Everyone who engaged in the rituals died? That sure is
powerful magic.

>you KILL people and yet you demand
>respect.

And when were the rabbis killing people?

>creationism kills

And what does this thread have to do with creationism?

--
Matt Silberstein

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http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"

Matt Silberstein

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Aug 11, 2009, 10:46:16 AM8/11/09
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , Devils
Advocaat <mank...@yahoo.co.uk> in
<f3d96472-bc45-4f74...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>
wrote:

>Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>fight swine flu:
>
>http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html


"Dozens of Israeli rabbis versed in the esoteric secrets of the
Kabbalah ..."

As a first approximation, if you stop reading at the word Kabbalah you
will never go wrong.

John S. Wilkins

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Aug 11, 2009, 11:00:23 AM8/11/09
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Matt Silberstein <RemoveThisPref...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , Devils
> Advocaat <mank...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> <f3d96472-bc45-4f74...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> >fight swine flu:
> >
> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-wi
> >th-p-7f81b96.html
>
>
> "Dozens of Israeli rabbis versed in the esoteric secrets of the
> Kabbalah ..."
>
> As a first approximation, if you stop reading at the word Kabbalah you
> will never go wrong.

I don't know. I'm rereading Chaim Potok's _Book of Lights_ right now...
--
John S. Wilkins, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre

Dan Listermann

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Aug 11, 2009, 11:19:23 AM8/11/09
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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPref...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:ov03855fi10p426lm...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , Devils
> Advocaat <mank...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> <f3d96472-bc45-4f74...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>>fight swine flu:
>>
>>http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>
>
> "Dozens of Israeli rabbis versed in the esoteric secrets of the
> Kabbalah ..."
>
> As a first approximation, if you stop reading at the word Kabbalah you
> will never go wrong.

Just another superstitious cult, nothing more. They are a dime a dozen.


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Dan Listermann

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"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPref...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , wf3h
<wf...@vsswireless.net> in
<aa8568ee-ce8c-4938...@g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 11, 6:34 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
>> Devils Advocaat wrote:
>> > Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>> > fight swine flu:
>>
>> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...
>>
>> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
>> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
>> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
>> freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
>> idiots that come and go.
>
>don't you religious fanatics realize that, for thousands of years your
>rituals led nowhere but to death?

Really? Everyone who engaged in the rituals died? That sure is
powerful magic.

Well eventually they all die or will die, despite all the quantity and
quality of their rituals.


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Mike Dworetsky

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Aug 11, 2009, 12:14:00 PM8/11/09
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"Mark Evans" <markev...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It isn't clear to me whether a virus is animal or vegetable or something
else. Jewish law presents a list of characteristics that make animals
kosher to eat. The virus isn't on the list so it isn't kosher, but if it is
a vegetable, then it is automatically kosher...it's all very clear.

The only non-kosher thing about H1N1 is the name, but you don't eat the
name. It is not against the kashrut or other rules for Jews to wear suede,
9nless they plan to eat their clothes, so surely getting something in which
only the popular name is associated with a treyf animal is pushing the idea
too far.

The rabbis are praying for protection from the disease because it can kill,
not because of the name.

Paul J Gans

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Aug 11, 2009, 12:23:45 PM8/11/09
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Devils Advocaat <mank...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On 11 Aug, 11:34, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
>> Devils Advocaat wrote:
>> > Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>> > fight swine flu:
>>
>> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...
>>
>> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?

>Of course I have respect for the way other people live, but that
>doesn't mean I can't wonder at why in this modern age a small group of
>people choose to resort to ancient rituals which have rarely if ever
>proven effective in the fight against disease and then claim that the
>danger has passed.

>> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all

>I am not an atheist liberal, and what are atheist liberals supposed to
>have started?

God is an atheist liberal whose works have not been totally
successful because He lacks self-confidence.

--
--- Paul J. Gans

Chris

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Aug 11, 2009, 2:37:03 PM8/11/09
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On Aug 11, 12:23 pm, Paul J Gans <g...@panix.com> wrote:

An omnipotent deity with self-esteem issues would explain a lot of the
nastier sections of the Old Testament.

Chris

Chris

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Aug 11, 2009, 2:41:23 PM8/11/09
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On Aug 11, 12:14 pm, "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Mark Evans" <markevans1...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Did you see the part where the Israeli Minister of Health wanted to
change the name to "Mexican Flu"? How's that for a compliment?

Chris

Augray

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Aug 11, 2009, 2:50:44 PM8/11/09
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:34:20 -0300, Nashton <na...@na.ca> wrote in
<h5rhfa$sub$4...@aioe.org> :

>Devils Advocaat wrote:
>> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>> fight swine flu:
>>
>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>>
>
>Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?

So you're in favour of gay marriage?


>Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
>complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
>freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
>idiots that come and go.

Do you think this plan has a chance of working?

Burkhard

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Aug 11, 2009, 2:48:23 PM8/11/09
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Syphilis was called "French disease" in Italy and Germany, and the
"Italian disease" in France. The Dutch called it the "Spanish disease",
the Russians the "Polish disease", the Turks "Christian disease" or
"Frank disease" (frengi) and the Tahitians called it the "British disease".

Ralph

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Aug 11, 2009, 4:44:50 PM8/11/09
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Not when there are global health issues which could harm me.

Mike Dworetsky

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"Burkhard" <b.sc...@ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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The last with much justification. When Captain Cook visited Tahiti to
observe the transit of Venus, his men left behind more than just a few
buildings.

But as it turns out, the origin of syphilis is not clear. Some think it
came from America with Columbus' crew.

Bob Casanova

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Aug 11, 2009, 6:06:31 PM8/11/09
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:34:20 -0300, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Nashton <na...@na.ca>:

>Devils Advocaat wrote:

>> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>> fight swine flu:
>>
>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html

>Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?

Sure, so long as it does no physical harm. Do you agree that
parents should be able to deny their children medical
treatment if their "way of life and cultural diversity" say
that they should rely on prayer alone to heal and to cure
sickness?

<snip rant>
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

Bob Casanova

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Aug 11, 2009, 6:09:26 PM8/11/09
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:48:23 +0100, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Burkhard <b.sc...@ed.ac.uk>:

And all the time it was just the "sheep's disease"...

Robert Carnegie: Fnord

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Devils Advocaat wrote:
> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> fight swine flu:
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html

What were they really up there to do?

Accompanying headline is "Landslide Topples Seven Blocks In China".
Oh dear.

I'm also a bit worried that the story doesn't mention aircraft.

Chris

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On Aug 11, 5:10 pm, "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Burkhard" <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote in message

I thought it was pretty certain that syphilis had evolved from yaws-
they're the same bug, just different strains. What I read was that
yaws started out as a skin-to-skin transfer, but mutated into an STD.
The just-so story associated with that idea is that it occurred when
people stopped sleeping on the floors of huts or caves in communal
groups. Shrug. YMMV.

In any case, Wiki says yaws seems to have affected humans for at least
1.5 million years. That would seem to preclude an American origin. The
wiki article on yaws has a couple of reasonable references but they
are not cited in-text.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaws

Chris

Devils Advocaat

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Aug 12, 2009, 12:08:32 AM8/12/09
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On 11 Aug, 10:46, Devils Advocaat <mankyg...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> fight swine flu:
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...

Curious how the time stamp on the above is exactly the same as the
time stamp on this report:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/169322

Robert Carnegie

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Aug 12, 2009, 4:37:31 AM8/12/09
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You're thinking that prayer and ram horns and vaccination and no more
deaths will prove that ram horns really work?

Although apparently they're not going to use the vaccine straight
away, so maybe the ram horns on their own will be found wanting.

Vend

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Aug 12, 2009, 6:51:36 AM8/12/09
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On Aug 11, 12:34 pm, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:

> Devils Advocaat wrote:
> > Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> > fight swine flu:
>
> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...
>
> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?

Respecting other people cultural diversity means that you don't
criticize and ridiculize them just because they do somerhing different
from you.

When they do something stupid, you can criticize and ridiculize the,.

Devils Advocaat

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Aug 12, 2009, 7:17:15 AM8/12/09
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Actually I am thinking that perhaps there are a number of rational
people who don't exactly trust the ancient rituals these rabbis
performed and are preferring to trust modern medicine.

Robert Carnegie

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Aug 12, 2009, 9:22:13 AM8/12/09
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Ah, so not that the rabbis carefully waited until the vaccine arrived
and five people were already dead before doing the sure-fire anti-
influenza ram horn thing. Anyway, you mean socialized medicine, which
I intend to credit for any perceived relatively good situation in
Israel flu-wise. I can do that and I will. Although probably nobody
will care.

Or maybe this date in the Jewish calendar is auspicious for health
care related and/or high altitude activities, and the vaccine users
are really just as superstitious as the folks who had the horn?

But I don't believe that particularly: I just think it's ready now.
Incidentally, my national government (United Kingdom) placed an order
for enough vaccine for all of us who survived the pandemic so far, I
guess anticipating the disease would be more deadly than it now is,
not that I'm complaining; however, that order is with a different
producer and their vaccine /isn't/ ready for us yet.

Mitchell Coffey

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On Aug 11, 11:19 am, "Dan Listermann" <d...@listermann.com> wrote:
> "Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nos...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
> messagenews:ov03855fi10p426lm...@4ax.com...

>
>
>
> > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , Devils
> > Advocaat <mankyg...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> > <f3d96472-bc45-4f74-b69a-af9f7ed48...@v36g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>

> > wrote:
>
> >>Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> >>fight swine flu:
>
> >>http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...

>
> > "Dozens of Israeli rabbis versed in the esoteric secrets of the
> > Kabbalah ..."
>
> > As a first approximation, if you stop reading at the word Kabbalah you
> > will never go wrong.
>
> Just another superstitious cult, nothing more.  They are a dime a dozen.

Ah, but in how many can you meet Roseanne Barr and Madonna?

Mitchell Coffey

Mike Lyle

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Aug 12, 2009, 1:30:20 PM8/12/09
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People are totally missing the point here. To boost the magic, there
needs to be an application of _homoeopathic_ rams'-horn-blowing. On
boarding the aircraft, you leave the horns on the tarmac, and gently
blow through pursed lips at a height determined by the required potency.
10,000 feet is average potency, which should save most of those in the
Levant; but if you can get to 100,000 feet it will be powerful enough to
cure the entire human population of the planet (sorry, the porkers still
go multiple-tits up, though).

--
Mike.


Bob Casanova

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Aug 13, 2009, 5:38:21 PM8/13/09
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:06:31 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:34:20 -0300, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by Nashton <na...@na.ca>:
>
>>Devils Advocaat wrote:
>
>>> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>>> fight swine flu:
>>>
>>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html
>
>>Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
>
>Sure, so long as it does no physical harm. Do you agree that
>parents should be able to deny their children medical
>treatment if their "way of life and cultural diversity" say
>that they should rely on prayer alone to heal and to cure
>sickness?

[crickets...]

Bob Dean

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Matt Silberstein wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , wf3h
> <wf...@vsswireless.net> in
> <aa8568ee-ce8c-4938...@g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 11, 6:34 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
>>> Devils Advocaat wrote:
>>>> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
>>>> fight swine flu:
>>>> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...
>>> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
>>> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
>>> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
>>> freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
>>> idiots that come and go.
>> don't you religious fanatics realize that, for thousands of years your
>> rituals led nowhere but to death?
>
> Really? Everyone who engaged in the rituals died? That sure is
> powerful magic.
>
>> you KILL people and yet you demand
>> respect.
>
> And when were the rabbis killing people?
>
>> creationism kills
>
> And what does this thread have to do with creationism?
>
You cannot reason with some people. Notice no reference
was given.

BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.

XaurreauX

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Or Demi Moore, who in my opinion is the Kaballah the Ball.

Steven L.

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Devils Advocaat wrote:
> Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> fight swine flu:
>
> http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-flu-with-p-7f81b96.html

"Look, up in the sky!"
"It's a bird!"
"It's a plane!"
"No, it's...a Jew!"


--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

harry k

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On Aug 11, 3:34 am, Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:
> Devils Advocaat wrote:
> > Rabbi's taking to the skies with prayers and ceremonial ram's horns to
> > fight swine flu:
>
> >http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090811/tod-flying-rabbis-fight-swine-fl...
>
> Do you not respect other people's way of life and cultural diversity?
> Aren't you atheist liberals the ones that started it all and now you're
> complaining that someone is acting in a way you don't agree with, you
> freaking hypocrite? You're just another moron in an endless stream of
> idiots that come and go.

Of course we respect their way of life. That does not mean that we
cannot laugh uproarishly at the absurdities therein.

After all this time has it not dawned on you the a goodly share of
'religion bashing' is poking fun at it? And when it comes to 'poking
fun', religion has a big, big target on its ass.

Harry K


Louann Miller

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Bob Dean <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
news:4A87697...@bellsouth.net:

> BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
> wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
> tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little
> disappointing.

I'm told that they go out of their way NOT to allow skyscrapers in central
Paris, either for esthetic reasons or because the soil isn't strong enough
to support them. That probably makes it look taller by comparison in
pictures.

Greg G.

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On Aug 15, 10:05 pm, Bob Dean <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
> wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
> tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.

Don't bother visiting the pyramids in Egypt. I hear even the Great
Pyramid is shorter than the Eiffel Tower.

John S. Wilkins

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Greg G. <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's just a pile of rocks anyhow. I can see that any day.
--
John S. Wilkins, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre

Bob Dean

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It is well worth seeing. It was built 1889 and is still one of the
world's great wonders.

Bob Dean

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Aug 16, 2009, 8:31:07 PM8/16/09
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The disappointment I initially felt soon disappeared. I may go to
Egypt on a future vacation, but I doubt it. I want to go to Japan
and the Far East on our next vacation.

Bob Dean

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John S. Wilkins wrote:
> Greg G. <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 15, 10:05 pm, Bob Dean <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
>>> wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
>>> tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.
>> Don't bother visiting the pyramids in Egypt. I hear even the Great
>> Pyramid is shorter than the Eiffel Tower.
>
> It's just a pile of rocks anyhow. I can see that any day.
>
Not stacked up so neatly. I lived near the Grand Tetons. I didn't
really appreciate the name until I learned what it meant - in French.
They are stacked nicely.

Matt Silberstein

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Great. I will have the response to your pre-trip post tomorrow.

>wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
>tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.

Everything is smaller than when we were kids.
--
Matt Silberstein

Do something today about the Darfur Genocide

http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org

"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"

Bob Dean

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John S. Wilkins wrote:
> Greg G. <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 15, 10:05 pm, Bob Dean <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
>>> wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
>>> tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.
>> Don't bother visiting the pyramids in Egypt. I hear even the Great
>> Pyramid is shorter than the Eiffel Tower.
>
> It's just a pile of rocks anyhow. I can see that any day.
>
Not stacked up so neatly. I lived near the Grand Tetons. I didn't
really appreciate the name until I learned what it meant - in French.
They are nicely stacked.

Bob Dean

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Walter Bushell

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In article <1j4l3h2.1o0nh001h2z3lsN%jo...@wilkins.id.au>,

jo...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:

> Greg G. <ggw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 15, 10:05 pm, Bob Dean <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > BTW My wife and I just returned from Europe. It was a great trip,
> > > wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
> > > tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little
> > > disappointing.
> >
> > Don't bother visiting the pyramids in Egypt. I hear even the Great
> > Pyramid is shorter than the Eiffel Tower.
>
> It's just a pile of rocks anyhow. I can see that any day.

Instead of beer you must, when you wrote that, have been drinking wry
whiskey.

JTEM

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Nashton <n...@na.ca> wrote:

> Do you not respect other people's way of life and
> cultural diversity?

I do, but I make an effort to hold them in contempt. I
figure I owe everyone at least that much until gay
citizens are allowed to marry in all 50 states.

Bob Dean

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Tomorrow will be my first day back at the office, so please don't expect
anything tomorrow. What were we discussing anyway?
All my post are set to automatically rotate off after 7 days. That I
need to change. So, clue me in on what we were talking about.

>
>> wonderful people and interesting sites. However, I thought the Eiffel
>> tower was much higher than it actually is. That was a little disappointing.
>
> Everything is smaller than when we were kids.
>
Another thing that impressed me was how often I was able to interact
with people who spoke English.It's a 2nd language with many Europeans. I
was especially impressed by some folks in Germany. These people spoke in
a way I would describe as the "dictionary version" of the English
Language. Their wording and phrasing was different and beautiful. I've
never heard English spoken so eloquently.

Wombat

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On 17 Aug, 05:34, Bob Dean <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Matt Silberstein wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:05:40 -0400, in talk.origins , Bob Dean
> > <rd...@bellsouth.net> in <4A876974.80...@bellsouth.net>  wrote:

>
> >> Matt Silberstein wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:08:12 -0700 (PDT), in talk.origins , wf3h
> >>> <w...@vsswireless.net> in
> >>> <aa8568ee-ce8c-4938-a037-458a56411...@g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>

It may have changed since I was last in France, but how did you get on
as the French can be very chauvinistic about speaking English.
BTW, there is a slightly smaller version of the Eiffel Tower in
Blackpool, England.

Wombat

Louann Miller

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Bob Dean <rd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:4A88A3E4.1030604
@bellsouth.net:

>>
> It is well worth seeing. It was built 1889 and is still one of the
> world's great wonders.

I was able to visit it on a college trip in 1985, although IIRC we didn't
ride all the way to the top, just to the first platform.

My big regret on that trip was we had an absurdly short trip to the Louvre.
"Gimp and Smirk" (ie. Venus de Milo and Mona Lisa and damn little else.)
And the Rodin museum was outright closed.

Louann, and her total absence of French not featured in popular songs.

Tapestry

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On Aug 17, 11:02 am, Louann Miller <louan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDldEVTKbvs

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