Re: Is there anyone still alive out there?

[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:32:16 GMT, Gallian <gal...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

> Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> writes:
>
>> With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
>> does anyone still read here?
>>
>> *sound of waving chicken around...*
>
> Alive is relative, these days...
>
> Mart
>
Are Zombies welcome?


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[Ina Faye-Lund]

Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> writes:

> With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
> does anyone still read here?
>
> *sound of waving chicken around...*

Mine is bigger than yours!

*pulls out a bigger chicken*

--
Happiness is a scratch for every itch.

[David Cameron Staples]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:44:52 +0200, Juergen Nieveler wrote:

> With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
> does anyone still read here?
>
> *sound of waving chicken around...*

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> said:
>With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
>does anyone still read here?

Are you on the other place?


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[Alan J. Wylie]

Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> writes:

> *sound of waving chicken around...*

Damn your eyes, sir. Now I have *that song* going round in my head.

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[Kerr-Mudd,John]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:40:22 GMT, "Alan J. Wylie" <al...@wylie.me.uk> wrote:

> Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> writes:
>
>> *sound of waving chicken around...*
>
> Damn your eyes, sir. Now I have *that song* going round in my head.
>

Oops, might be better outside your head, I said oops outside your head.

(I try not to code too many nops these days)

[Grant Taylor]

On 10/19/20 2:44 AM, Juergen Nieveler wrote:
> With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
> does anyone still read here?

Monitor: Yes.

Post: Occasionally.

> *sound of waving chicken around...*

Don't threaten me with a R.I.T.A. I don't care how reliable it is.



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[Garrett Wollman]

In article <XnsAC5B64556F48...@nieveler.org>,

Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
>With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
>does anyone still read here?

I am still alive. Unfortunately I am also becoming unusable due to US
elections, but hopefully that will pass in a couple of weeks.

-GAWollman

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[Niklas Karlsson]

On 2020-10-19, Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
> With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
> does anyone still read here?
>

> *sound of waving chicken around...*

*hand*

Niklas
--
The Internet is totally out of control, impossible to map accurately, and
being used far beyond its original intentions. So far, so good.
-- Dr. Dobb's Journal May 1993

[Niklas Karlsson]

On 2020-10-19, Paul Tomblin <ptomblin...@xcski.com> wrote:
> In a previous article, Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> said:
>>With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
>>does anyone still read here?
>
> Are you on the other place?

I was there for a while, years ago, thanks to a helpful Monk. That
newsserver went up in smoke, though - I suppose there were other demands
on his time, don't really blame him.

Niklas
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for Viagra, but yet when rigor mortis sets in they want no part of it.
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[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> said:
>With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
>does anyone still read here?

Internet meltdown - USENET forever!
--
Chris Adams <cma...@cmadams.net>

[Stephen Harris]

Chris Adams <cma...@cmadams.net> wrote:
> Once upon a time, Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> said:
> >With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
> >does anyone still read here?

> Internet meltdown - USENET forever!

I think I've still got a modem somewhere, and I'm sure I can resurrect the
brain cells that archived my UUCP knowledge.

--

rgds
Stephen

[Grant Taylor]

On 10/19/20 5:04 PM, Stephen Harris wrote:
> I think I've still got a modem somewhere, and I'm sure I can resurrect
> the brain cells that archived my UUCP knowledge.

UUCP is one thing. <whatever> over modem is something entirely different.

Much of Usenet rides over the Internet today. Sure, UUCP could carry
Usenet, particularly text groups. But how many people could transition
to modem connections? What's more, how many people could establish a
UUCP network? That's going to take some work to boot strap. Plus you
won't have good communications with others to do so.

You can also carry TCP/IP over modem. But that going to take even more
effort to boot strap. It's also going to take more resources (phone
lines / modems / etc.) to establish multi-hop communications. IMHO,
UUCP would be easier than TCP/IP over a modem.

[c...@nospam.com]

Niklas Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> wrote:
> On 2020-10-19, Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
>> With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
>> does anyone still read here?
>>
>> *sound of waving chicken around...*
>
> *hand*
> Niklas

Still alive and kicking after 15 years of recovery.

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[Claudio Calvelli]

On 2020-10-19, Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
> With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
> does anyone still read here?
>
> *sound of waving chicken around...*

I used to post here when the world was young and antisocial networks did
not ruin it for the sensible people (that would have been circa 1999).

I actually recovered for a few years, getting to the point of sending
anything which could carry IP packets to recycling. Didn't last that
long but it was good.

I occasionally read here, when there's something to read.

Just testing if the rubber chicken is big enough, not really posting
here, you know.

C.

[The Horny Goat]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:44:34 -0600, Grant Taylor
<gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

>You can also carry TCP/IP over modem. But that going to take even more
>effort to boot strap. It's also going to take more resources (phone
>lines / modems / etc.) to establish multi-hop communications. IMHO,
>UUCP would be easier than TCP/IP over a modem.

I actually set that up back in the day. Probably not something I'd
want to re-learn and implement now.

Of course that was back in the day when 32k was a fast modem heh heh

[Ina Faye-Lund]

Thank you so very much for making me feel old.

When I started out, the common was 14400, but we still had customers
using 9600.

[Zebee Johnstone]

In alt.sysadmin.recovery on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:00:18 +0200

And suddenly out of the mists of the past comes the memory of the
modem you used by putting your telephone handset onto two rubber cups.


Zebee

[Niklas Karlsson]

Ah yes, the acoustic coupler. I'm a bit too young to have seen one in
the flesh (well, it's possible I did at a museum somewhere, but have
forgotten).

The first modem I used was 2400 bps, but I was a little kid then. By the
time I actually got paid to do IT, cable modems and DSL were typical for
home users, at about 500 Kb.

Niklas
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had some effect, for there were red spots on and about the printer
the next morning.
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[Paul Tomblin]

My first news setup was at the company I worked for (GeoVision) and it soley
exchanged Usenet via UUCP with Cognos over a 2400bps modem. They dropped all
of alt when it started taking more than 24 hours to transfer a day's worth of
news, but I got them to re-add all of alt except alt.binaries and everybody
was happy.

We also exchanged a much lower volume of email with UUnet over a Telebit Trailblazer,
also over UUCP. We had the fast modem because we exchanged big files with our
Denver and Syndey Australia offices.

True Story: I once sent a gigantic file (by the standards of the day) with our
Sydney office over the Trailblazer, and when it was done I picked up the line
to talk to the developer on the other end, and the line was so noisy that we
couldn't hear each other. Those Trailblazers were amazing.

--
Paul Tomblin <ptom...@xcski.com> http://blog.xcski.com/

"SPARC" is "CRAPS" backwards --Rob Pike

[Stephen Harris]

Paul Tomblin <ptomblin...@xcski.com> wrote:
> True Story: I once sent a gigantic file (by the standards of the day) with our
> Sydney office over the Trailblazer, and when it was done I picked up the line
> to talk to the developer on the other end, and the line was so noisy that we
> couldn't hear each other. Those Trailblazers were amazing.

When I was setting up computer connections over Inmarsat A we tried
using Telebit modems in UUCP spoofing mode. They worked... but wasn't
very performant because it only supported the g protocol with a small
window.

After tests with standard modems (2400, 9600, 14400) and various UUCP configs
we settled on 2400 baud with Taylor UUCP i protocol. The time it took a
9600 baud model to complete negotiations meant the 2400 baud could connect,
login, send/receive email and logout again. Since calls were $6/minute
that was a big saving :-)

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[Jim]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:44:52 +0200, Juergen Nieveler

<juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:

>With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
>does anyone still read here?
>
>*sound of waving chicken around...*

I check occasionally for anything new. Hasn't been much of late.

[Jonathan McDowell]

Grant Taylor <gta...@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

> You can also carry TCP/IP over modem. But that going to take even more
> effort to boot strap. It's also going to take more resources (phone
> lines / modems / etc.) to establish multi-hop communications. IMHO,
> UUCP would be easier than TCP/IP over a modem.

I used to do UUCP over TCP/IP over modem. Do I get a prize? Therapy?

J.

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[Grant Taylor]

On 10/22/20 2:31 AM, Jonathan McDowell wrote:
> I used to do UUCP over TCP/IP over modem. Do I get a prize? Therapy?

Bragging rights and therapy probably are the most likely candidate.

[Jay E. Morris]

On 10/22/2020 02:19 AM, Michel wrote:

> My first modem (that I actually owned and used) was 28k8.
>
> First modem I played with a bit was 2400, when I was 12 or so, but
> didn't really use it because dialup cost was hideous and I had no
> clue where to go with it anyway.
>
> I do remember taping software off the radio for the Acorn Electron.
>
> Or typing in stuff by hand from a book, usually with a friend with
> one reading and one typing. One day after a long session, we ran it
> and discovered that whenever I had said "slash" my friend had typed
> a "\". I think it's funny that I ended up in unixland and he went
> on to do windowsy things.
>

300 with a Tandy Model 100.

[The Horny Goat]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:00:18 +0200, Ina Faye-Lund

Yup - my first modem was a 1200 and went through several before going
broadband. My current home pipe is 300 mbps but then we're comparing
1985 vs 2020.

Never had a 9600 - went from 1200 => 2400 => 14.4 => 56 => broadband

The first two were on an Apple II, the third was what I had when I
joined the MSDOS world and Window 3.11.......

There are you feeling old enough?

My first personal machine was an Apple II which was my graduation
present to myself in 1979. I learned a lot on the old Amdahl
(basically a cloned IBM 370 series) and learned to program on punched
cards and DecWriters once our school adopted "timeshare".

I only got rid of my last student punch cards about 2 years ago -
found the box and thought "hmmm I thought I got rid of these years
ago!" My first experience with a terminal was as a student to the U of
Alberta's (Edmonton) lab in 1972 as a high school junior....it looked
interesting and it didn't occur to me till much later that one could
actually make a living doing this.

I well remembering convering a US medical records database for
Canadian use and being told in no uncertain terms that it was illegal
in Canada to collect racial information in a medical records database
and that no it was NOT good enough to remove it from the data entry
screen it HAD to be gone from the patient database record altogether.

Now in 2020 the truly woke are insisting that "POC" (persons of color)
CAN'T get proper medical care unless their racial identity is
flagged....sigh - good thing I turned 65 last month.

[The Horny Goat]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:55:56 -0000 (UTC), Zebee Johnstone
<zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> When I started out, the common was 14400, but we still had customers
>> using 9600.
>
>And suddenly out of the mists of the past comes the memory of the
>modem you used by putting your telephone handset onto two rubber cups.

Did the acoustic coupler models you're referring to ever go north of
300 baud? Never used a coupler in the business world but did at
university - played way too much "Star Trek" on the Decwrite off the
mainframe.....

I remember dating the TA in the computer lab - broke up with her
mostly because I had thought she was divorced rather than separated
(as was actually the case) and knew I was getting way too emotionally
involved too fast....hope she's doing well and that life has been kind
to her! (Nearly 40 years now)

[The Horny Goat]

On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:13:14 -0000 (UTC), Gary Barnes
<g...@adminspotting.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 18:55:56 -0000 (UTC), Zebee Johnstone
><zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

>: And suddenly out of the mists of the past comes the memory of the

>: modem you used by putting your telephone handset onto two rubber cups.
>

>That's my afternoon sorted. Rewatching WarGames it is...

Never saw that one but did the first. How about a game of 'Global
Thermonuclear War?"

[Stephen Harris]

The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
> Did the acoustic coupler models you're referring to ever go north of
> 300 baud? Never used a coupler in the business world but did at

They commonly also did 1200/75 for things like Viewdata. My cousin had
one.

My first modem was a PACE, which didn't use Hayes commands. "DSN" for
"Dial Stored Number", instead, if memory serves. It could do 300/300.
The second was another PACE that did 1200/1200. They were both discards
from the company I worked for :-)

[Paul Colquhoun]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 10:44:52 +0200, Juergen Nieveler <juergen.nie...@arcor.de> wrote:
| With the rest of the Internet becoming unusable due to US elections...
| does anyone still read here?
|
| *sound of waving chicken around...*

Like a lot of people, I keep an eye on the group out of old habit...


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[Jay E. Morris]

On 10/22/2020 11:15 PM, Gary Barnes wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:22:28 -0500, Jay E. Morris
> <mor...@epsilon3.com> wrote:
> :
> : 300 with a Tandy Model 100.
>
> Oh man, I used to really want one of those back in the 80's.
>

In a box in the closet, along with the cassette tape drive and thermal
printer.


> The first computer I owned was from that family, a TRS-80 Color Computer 2.
>
> The Amstrad CPC 464 was my next computer, and the first upon which I wrote a
> program which was published and I was paid (£100!) for by Amstrad Action.
> That made me a computer professional, and it was all downhill from there.
>
> Holy shit! I didn't know that this was out there:
>
> https://www.cpc-power.com/index.php?page=detail&num=14996
>
> As a 19-year-old I used to dream of upgrading to a 486 connected to a Unix
> mainframe, apparently...
>
> I got my 486 and installed MCC Interim Linux on it a little after that. I
> even visited MCC Interim Linux's maintainer, Owen Le Blanc, in person to ask
> how one created a swapfile.
>
> Gaz
>

[Julian Turnbull]

That post has shaken a remarkable number of us out of the woodwork.

A special obeisance to Claudio - if you don't know why he deserves it,
you're too young.

Julian.

[Zebee Johnstone]

In alt.sysadmin.recovery on Fri, 23 Oct 2020 07:23:14 -0400

Stephen Harris <bo...@spuddy.org> wrote:
> The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
>> Did the acoustic coupler models you're referring to ever go north of
>> 300 baud? Never used a coupler in the business world but did at
>
> They commonly also did 1200/75 for things like Viewdata. My cousin had
> one.
>

yeah I think I did get 1200/75 out of one at one point but what for I
can't recall. I just got a jolt of recognition when seeing 1200/75.

Zebee