Re: Logic
SteveD
<davidey...@onlyforfun.net> wrote:
>UL - Can you tell him?
>Me - You want me to tell him that unless he cough up the dosh isn't going
> to happen?
>UL - No
>Me - So what?
>UL - Can you tell him that we can do it?
Sounds like a fabulous opportunity to offer to speak directly to the third
party in question. If UL isn't smart enough to read this as a warning
sign, the speaking in question can mention not only the word "No", but the
fact that UL asked you to lie about it.
Or you could put your own price tag on it. One where you could outsource
the entire project and retire on the remainder. That's always fun.
-SteveD
Dave
Davide Bianchi <davidey...@onlyforfun.net> wrote:
> UL - And we don't have the hardware?
Why do my lusers think I can magic computers out of my arse? What part
of 'expect 28 days for delivery' or you not understand? What -sort- of
'something' do you want me to do in the meantime?
Dave
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Dave
SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> wrote:
> Or you could put your own price tag on it. One where you could outsource
> the entire project and retire on the remainder. That's always fun.
At which point they'll turn up 48hrs later with a box they brought for
299 from $WorldOfDixons that has no network adapters in it, but -does-
have a modem and tell them to do it on that. And then they'll tell you
it -is- suitable, because it's 'brand new'.
Anne Onnymous
Ooh fun. At our US office, that was the method for acquiring new
equipment for a couple of years - send any new staff straight down to Best
Buy with instructions to pick up a laptop and put it on expenses.
For 'merkins who don't know Dixons, think Best Buy but without the
intelligent, motivated, knowledgable staff. Or the wide range of
high-quality, reasonably priced goods.
Peter Corlett
[...]
> They've rebranded them as "Currys Digital" for no logical reason I can
> ascertain.
There was analogue kit in there when I last looked. I completely failed to
find a longwave radio though - even the "world radio" with zillions of bands
wouldn't go below 530kHz.
Does anybody even make longwave radios any more?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 02:05 PM, Davide Bianchi <davidey...@onlyforfun.net> said:
>I've no idea what the heck is wrong with him, but I think I know how
>can I fix him. It involves lots of volts and amperes.
That's one way. I prefer 3Al + Fe2O3 -> 3AlO + 2Fe + Oh shiny
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Mike Andrews
'Scuse _me_? If the staff at Worst Buy were any less intelligent,
motivated, or knowledgeable, they'd have armed guards just outside
the doors to keep folks from getting in, instead of the horrible
loud music they now use to drive them away once they are in. Worst
Buy is a store that makes the average Rat Shack look as if _it_ has
intelligent, motivated, knowledgable staff.
Oh. I see. You thought you were being sarcastic and/or ironic.
--
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>Instructor: "Windows helps the computer run".
Juergen Nieveler responds: "Of course, the same way that dobermans
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>
> 'Scuse _me_? If the staff at Worst Buy were any less intelligent,
> motivated, or knowledgeable, they'd have armed guards just outside
> the doors to keep folks from getting in, instead of the horrible
> loud music they now use to drive them away once they are in.
No. If they were any less inteligent, motivated or knowledgable,
they'd be working in Dixons.
-Paul
Brian Kantor
>Does anybody even make longwave radios any more?
>
Check at a ham radio shop.
My Kenwood TS-2000 will tune down to around 25kHz, but it's deaf
as a post there. It does hear the Loran stuff on 100kHz. And every
neon sign and mercury-vapor arc lamp for miles.
- Brian
Dave
Paul Martin <p...@zetnet.net> wrote:
> They've rebranded them as "Currys Digital" for no logical reason I can
> ascertain.
Err, because everything kept saying how crap Dixons were. Yes, I know
it doesn't make any sense - it's marketing, so I don't think it's meant
to.
Dave
Paul Martin <p...@zetnet.net> wrote:
> I (half jokingly) said to someone demonstrating a car to me a few years
> ago that, with that radio (no LW), you won't be selling to many cricket
> fans.
Where's the joke? I think Roberts market a range of handheld and
portable radios with SW and LW specifically at cricket fans.
Peter Corlett
[...]
> Check at a ham radio shop.
> My Kenwood TS-2000 will tune down to around 25kHz, but it's deaf as a post
> there. It does hear the Loran stuff on 100kHz. And every neon sign and
> mercury-vapor arc lamp for miles.
1200 quid seems to be a bit much for just listening to the cricket on Radio
4.
Robert Sneddon
<jrz...@qfy.cvcrk.pbz> writes
>Where's the joke? I think Roberts market a range of handheld and
>portable radios with SW and LW specifically at cricket fans.
There's probably a small but perfectly-formed market out there for a
Radio 4 LW receiver. It's fixed-frequency, no tuning required and
necessary, just switch it on and settle back with a slice of chocolate
cake as the rain two hundred miles away is lovingly described in velvet
tones.
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Dave
Robert Sneddon <fr...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> There's probably a small but perfectly-formed market out there for a
> Radio 4 LW receiver. It's fixed-frequency, no tuning required and
> necessary
I believe the British and USians dropped radios over bits of Iraq in
2003. The British dropped ordinary wind-up radios, while the USians
dropped radios that could only pickup the VOA.
> just switch it on and settle back with a slice of chocolate
> cake as the rain two hundred miles away is lovingly described in velvet
> tones.
Hmm - reminds me, I most feed my Christmas cake this weekend.
Graham Reed
> On 2006-10-29, Anne Onnymous <anne.o...@example.net> wrote:
>> think Best Buy but without the intelligent, motivated, knowledgable staff.
>> Or the wide range of high-quality, reasonably priced goods.
>
*looks pointedly at Newsgroups: header*
No, he's being literally true and complimentary. Best Buy is a very
nice and enlightened place to shop at. You might also want to try
Circuit City and CompUSA; all three have an excellent selection of
high-quality merchandise and staff who are familliar with all the
choices that selection affords.
Sarcasm in the Monastery? Lawks, whoever heard such slander!
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"But I'm a top!" is not a safeword.
"I'm on duty!" is not a safeword.
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Graham Reed
> I think part of the problem with these entities is that they watched
> too much Star Trek or A-Team or something. They believe that anything
> can be made out of whatever is on hand, if you can be properly
> motivated.
Ugh, yeah.
Luser: "My OS/2 box crashed, how do I save it?"
Me: "I don't know. I just format it and re-install from scratch,
I've got a web page with the procedure set out with the minimum
number of reboots possible, takes less than an hour."
Luser: "But that will delete all my files, how do I fix it?"
Me: "I don't know, I just format it and re-install...."
Luser: "Your OS/2 machine is working, how do you fix it?"
Me: "I don't. I just format it and re-install...."
Luser: "You can't do that, it would erase all your files!"
Me: "No, my files are on the file server. So I can just format...."
Luser: "Why won't you tell me how to fix it? You're being mean!"
Me: "Because I don't know how, I just format...."
At this point, Luser's manager managed to stop rolling around the
corridor laughing his ass off and told Luser to go format his OS/2 box
and re-install from scratch with my handy minimum-reboot procedure.
It's a bit like any time I do an "I Hate Microsoft" rant, someone
says, "That reminds me, I'm having this problem with my Internet
Explorer...."
Some of the bodies have still not been found.
Dave
wrote:
> "I don't know. I just format it and re-install from scratch,
> I've got a web page with the procedure set out with the minimum
> number of reboots possible, takes less than an hour."
My Windows boxes can do that. The procedure takes the boxes less than
an hour. It takes me about five seconds to kick off. I have not told
the lusers this yet.
I should be happy in a job where I appear to spend most of my time doing
almost no work at all. This is because I spend most of my time
arranging things so that I do not have to do work. But I don't think
anyone would believe me if I tried to explain this to them, and so I'm
unhappy.
One of the teachers I used to work with did ask me shortly after the
year 2000 started why we spent all the money when the computers did all
crash in the end. <sigh>
Pete Verdon
> Hmm - reminds me, I most feed my Christmas cake this weekend.
I remember, when I was about 12, having a particularly powerful
Christmas cake. Turned out Mum and Dad had both been feeding it
independently, without realising the other was also doing so.
Pete
Mike Andrews
> Davide Bianchi <davidey...@onlyforfun.net> writes:
>> On 2006-10-29, Anne Onnymous <anne.o...@example.net> wrote:
>>> think Best Buy but without the intelligent, motivated, knowledgable staff.
>>> Or the wide range of high-quality, reasonably priced goods.
>>
>> Huuuu... is this that "sarcasm" thingy?
> *looks pointedly at Newsgroups: header*
Yeah. Now if this were comp.sarcasm.windows, I'd understand why he
asked that question.
> No, he's being literally true and complimentary. Best Buy is a very
> nice and enlightened place to shop at. You might also want to try
> Circuit City and CompUSA; all three have an excellent selection of
> high-quality merchandise and staff who are familliar with all the
> choices that selection affords.
You forgot the carefully-selected easy-listening music played at a n
amplitude that everyone finds pleasant.
> Sarcasm in the Monastery? Lawks, whoever heard such slander!
Absolutely!
--
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That's like saying Osama has done his part to increase airport security.
-- Carl Schelin, in the Monastery
Peter Corlett
[...]
> I remember, when I was about 12, having a particularly powerful Christmas
> cake. Turned out Mum and Dad had both been feeding it independently,
> without realising the other was also doing so.
I spent much of one Christmas feeding some cooking scotch to my mother's
Christmas cake. She hadn't in fact planned to feed it at all.
The icing turned brown and it was advisable to keep smokers away from it.
Peter Corlett
[...]
> You forgot the carefully-selected easy-listening music played at a n
> amplitude that everyone finds pleasant.
Ah, like the record stores who play such fine music and then wonder why
they've got a large classical music section but bugger all sales from it?
That's almost excusable though - they're advertising their wares - compared
to other shops. The high street clothing stores are wondering why they're
losing sales to Primark et al, and put it down to us being pikey bastards
who like cheap clothes. I'd put it down to them not having a sound system
and somebody actually behind the counter serving customers instead of
chatting to their mates.
Dave
GB <gb0...@kickindanuts.threefiddy.com> wrote:
> Dave <jrz...@qfy.cvcrk.pbz> wrote in news:jrzoyrl-ED6AFA.23164803112006
> @news.easynews.com:
> > This is because I spend most of my time
> > arranging things so that I do not have to do work.
>
> I did that. Then one day $bigboss came along and said ...
Some foo tried that with us. We (the faculty IT people) sidled up to
the academics and said things like "I know where your research lives.
Wouldn't it be a shame if something happened to the server. Good job we
do backups isn't it? Ha Ha Ha."
> I took that to be The Signal. I was gone inside of a month!
As did our academics. The foo was sent pac^H^H^H left us to pursue
ventures new at the Mas^H^H^H DIT. And promptly fubared them into
non-existence.
Jasper Janssen
>And then one time I went in and they were playing a really good record,
>and I said, "Hey, that's really good, can I buy it?" And the owner
>said, "Sorry, no. I've already bought that for my own collection. I
>was just playing it because it's good."
"But I can put you on the waiting list in case another copy comes in", or
was this before computerised inventory at such stores?
Jasper
Peter Corlett
[...]
> "But I can put you on the waiting list in case another copy comes in", or
> was this before computerised inventory at such stores?
I rather sounds like the kind of store where it doesn't need a computer
because the owner knows his valued customers and puts it aside anyway.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 04:58 PM, Graham Reed <gr...@pobox.com> said:
>Luser: "You can't do that, it would erase all your files!"
"Backups? We don't need no stinking backups."
I don't suppose that you told him <snipped>[1].
>Some of the bodies have still not been found.
Not even pieces?
[1] No, not because it's UI; because if he can't figure it out for
himself he's too dumb to live and I don't want to risk spoiling
your fun should he happen to read this.
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Richard Bos
> Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
> [...]
> > You forgot the carefully-selected easy-listening music played at a n
> > amplitude that everyone finds pleasant.
>
> Ah, like the record stores who play such fine music and then wonder why
> they've got a large classical music section but bugger all sales from it?
IME, that's usually done by high street shops which have a small
classical music section. Shops that have a large classical section often
have it closed off or at least separated, and tend to play the
appropriate kinds of music in the various sections. If it's not large
enough for that, it usually doesn't have much of a classical selection,
either.
Richard
stevo
complete fuckwit and I moved[1]. I used to go in and the guy behind the
counter would hand me an album which I hadn't ordered, but would've had
I known it was available. I spent mucho deniro there in this way. Got to
the stage that I didn't even bother checking the 'upcoming releases'
list because they knew my tastes so well.
The new owner would not order anything for you without payment in full
in advance and would only stock top-40 teeny-bopper cat-yowling[2] and
got wid of the world music and blues sections the previous owners had
spent 20 years building. The sections that accounted for 60% of the
stores sales. The store closed within 12 months of him buying it.
[1] No the two are not related
[2] Otherwise known as .au-ian idol, popstars, etc
--
Stevo st...@madcelt.org
"an obstinate heretic in the despite of beauty"
Maarten Wiltink
news:454e6c87...@news.xs4all.nl...
> [...] Shops that have a large classical section often
> have it closed off or at least separated, and tend to play the
> appropriate kinds of music in the various sections.
I once visited a shop like that. The single salesman inside seemed
more at ease on the quieter side of the wall, too. All this while
there was a bloody HUGE sign 'Virgin Records' on the outside.
I like to think I managed to not show my surprise, mostly. But I fear
it must have been a little disappointing to him that I came asking for
Leroy Anderson.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Phil Launchbury
> In article <eihvhn$89v$2...@mooli.org.uk>,
> Peter Corlett <ab...@cabal.org.uk> wrote:
>> Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>> [...]
>> > You forgot the carefully-selected easy-listening music played at a n
>> > amplitude that everyone finds pleasant.
>>
>> Ah, like the record stores who play such fine music and then wonder why
>> they've got a large classical music section but bugger all sales from it?
>
> (Vortex Records at Yonge'n'Eligible, for those who know--a fine source
I seem to remember why Copenhagen is one of my favourite places to have
gone to do tech support - how can you dislike a place that has *both* a
music shop specialising in prog rock *and* a bookshop that specialises
in science fiction?
Phil
--
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Triumph Tiger 955i
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to juggle mushrooms'
Brian Kantor
Robert or El Peso?
- Brian
stevo
>>I spent mucho deniro there in this way.
>
> Robert or El Peso?
>
[1] And who here is not pedantic when given the chance?
[2] Otherwise known as .au dollars
David Cameron Staples
> Brian Kantor <br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>>I spent mucho deniro there in this way.
>>
>> Robert or El Peso?
>>
> If you want to be pedantic[1] it was actually Pacific Peso's[2].
What was the 'it' that belonged to Pacific Peso?
Or did you mean Pacific Pesos? While we're being pedantic[1].
>
> [1] And who here is not pedantic when given the chance?
> [2] Otherwise known as .au dollars
Oh, the .au dollars belong to Pacific Peso, then?
--
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Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
Thanks for the Dadaist Pep-talk.
Dave
<45501315$0$3047$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
stevo <st...@madcelt.org> wrote:
> [1] And who here is not pedantic when given the chance?
Me. I'm pernickety.
Graham Reed
> Ah, like the record stores who play such fine music and then wonder why
> they've got a large classical music section but bugger all sales from it?
Yuppers. HMV in Downtown Toronto has convinced me that amazon.ca and
the Post Office are a much, much better place to shop, no matter what
the price differential.
Graham Reed
> "Backups? We don't need no stinking backups."
We had plenty of backups. On the fileservers, of course.
> I don't suppose that you told him <snipped>[1].
It turns out that I'm Not A Team Player, and so I have a lot more fun
watching someone twist in the wind. Especially since all files were
to be either (a) stored on the fileserver or (b) checked in to change
control (which was backed up even more aggressively than the
fileserver).
Having done neither just gets me pointing and saying, "ha ha".
David Cameron Staples
> "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>> "Backups? We don't need no stinking backups."
>
> We had plenty of backups. On the fileservers, of course.
I recently had the case of a MB falling over, and the crash stomping
heavily on the filesystem. The night before a major demonstration. (A
student project. Marks may have been involved. Potential employers were
present.)
In the interests of expediency we moved the HDD into another machine
(which is when we discovered that the FS was medium- to well-done). Upon
discovering that it was a non-trivial fix, and that I had many many *many*
other things which needed doing, I asked if they had a backup of the
project so we could just install a new system and set up their software
afresh for the demo.
"Yes," they said confidently, "it's in /home/backup."
I left them to it. Miraculously, they had a working server (well, working
as well as needed for the demo) by 4:55pm, for the main demo's start at
5:00. It's *amazing* what sweaty-palmed gut-wrenching flat-spin panic will
do for one's motivation.
--
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Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
I'd say Outlook Express is a newsreader in the same sense as cardboard
is edible: i.e. only to pedants, masochists and the mentally retarded.
-- Ilmari Karonen in a.h.b-o-u.d
SteveD
<sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM> wrote:
>I left them to it. Miraculously, they had a working server (well, working
>as well as needed for the demo) by 4:55pm, for the main demo's start at
>5:00. It's *amazing* what sweaty-palmed gut-wrenching flat-spin panic will
>do for one's motivation.
And thus, hopefully, the Lesson Of The Backups may have been learned early
in life by at least one of them. Because there's nothing like cold fear
for a memory aid.
-SteveD
Pete Verdon
> I recently had the case of a MB falling over, and the crash stomping
> heavily on the filesystem. The night before a major demonstration. (A
> student project. Marks may have been involved. Potential employers were
> present.)
[backup]
> "Yes," they said confidently, "it's in /home/backup."
And they weren't using CVS[1]? The remainder of your post sounds
entirely too sympathetic.
Pete
[1] Or presumably Subversion in this day and age
David Cameron Staples
Why, yes. I believe they were. Guess which machine held the repository?
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Olivier Galibert
> in Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:13:40 +0000, Pete Verdon in hic locum scripsit:
Subversion is an atrocious pile of crap.
> Why, yes. I believe they were. Guess which machine held the repository?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And this is why (among other reasons).
OG.
Garrett Wollman
Olivier Galibert <gali...@pobox.com> wrote:
>[Name of Open Sores VCS deleted] is an atrocious pile of crap.
All VCSen suck, in different and Chinesely interesting ways.
-GAWollman
--
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wol...@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry
Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape
of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness
Olivier Galibert
> In article <slrnel7dil....@m23.limsi.fr>,
> Olivier Galibert <gali...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>[Name of Open Sores VCS deleted] is an atrocious pile of crap.
>
> All VCSen suck, in different and Chinesely interesting ways.
Fuck yeah.
OG.
Dave Hughes
> And thus, hopefully, the Lesson Of The Backups may have been learned early
> in life by at least one of them.
"You don't need backups because with a bit of fiddling you can always
recover the original data"?
--
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Love wouldn't be blind if the braille wasn't so damned much fun.
- Armistead Maupin
Dave
"Dave Hughes" <spam...@hired-goons.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:18:35 +0800, SteveD wrote:
>
> > And thus, hopefully, the Lesson Of The Backups may have been learned early
> > in life by at least one of them.
>
> "You don't need backups because with a bit of fiddling you can always
> recover the original data"?
Our regulations appear to state "You don't need backups because Dave's
always been able to recover the data so far.". <sigh>
SteveD
>Our regulations appear to state "You don't need backups because Dave's
>always been able to recover the data so far.". <sigh>
Mmm. And will they learn "And when Dave quits, his recovery fees are
exorbitant and no-one else knows quite how to get it back" any time soon?
-SteveD
Dave
SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> wrote:
I doubt it. I've given my boss a 'thinks change or at Christmas I quit'
speech three months ago. I think we both know it isn't going to happen.
<sigh>.
The main problem being that my lusers have absolutely no say over my
pay. The usual levers do not work.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 09:18 PM, SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> said:
>And thus, hopefully, the Lesson Of The Backups may have been learned
>early in life by at least one of them.
It's nice to know that there are still optimists in the world. Now,
me, I'm a pessimist and know that the Spanish will keep my cousin José
locked up for a long time, so it's up to me to find investors in his
diamond mine.
Dave
Dave <jrz...@qfy.cvcrk.pbz> wrote:
> I've given my boss a 'thinks change
Cack. Well, thinking change would be a -start-, even if it doesn't
immediately lead to things changing.
Niklas Karlsson
> In article <or39l293cbcrdb99a...@4ax.com>,
> SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:00:09 GMT, Dave <jrz...@qfy.cvcrk.pbz> wrote:
>>
>> Mmm. And will they learn "And when Dave quits, his recovery fees are
>> exorbitant and no-one else knows quite how to get it back" any time soon?
>
> I doubt it. I've given my boss a 'thinks change or at Christmas I quit'
> speech three months ago. I think we both know it isn't going to happen.
><sigh>.
After various complaints to management from both myself and clued
co-workers, with no change involved, I finally handed in my
resignation Wednesday. Not a decision taken lightly, but I have
it on good authority that my new unrecovery will, in fact, suck
less. [0]
Niklas
[0] at least initially, or so I tell myself
--
"Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, he'd be the sort
to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting
'All gods are bastards'."
-- Rincewind discussing Twoflower (Terry Pratchett, The Colour of Magic)
Matt S Trout
>> in Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:13:40 +0000, Pete Verdon in hic locum scripsit:
>>> [1] Or presumably Subversion in this day and age
>
>Subversion is an atrocious pile of crap.
I've found that everything else is worse; also, there's a client for it
which is kind enough to keep a local mirror of the whole thing. I like this
because every person I persuade to use said client means another backup of
my repos without any need for me to actually do anything[0].
Then again, I've so far never had a situation where I've lost both the master
and my own local mirror at once, but for the OSS repos that contain the sources
to a statistically significant percentage of the sea pan the paranoia factors
are sufficiently high that I like knowing there's a couple hundred reasonably
recent extra backups out there.
[0] persuade for OSS/collaborative stuff. Internally I simply mandated it, of
course.
David Cameron Staples
<Re: SVN>
> Then again, I've so far never had a situation where I've lost both the
> master and my own local mirror at once,
Now imagine the case where the repository *is* the local mirror. And the
backup host. All on the one partition, because Hohagh thinks it's easier
that way[0]. And the disk goes *ptoing!*
[0] Re the gratuitous fiddling introduced in Hohagh Rqtl: WTF is with the
default behaviour of referring to partitions by UUID now? It even goes
through and fucks around with fstab to introduce this 'feature', that as
far as I can see adds no functionality, and turns a human readable and
editable file into just more hexadecimal sludge. I mean, FFS, guys, get
over the gnome mentality of point-and-drool interfaces for everything. And
while we're at it, where[1] did you hide the conf files for the power
functions? My lapdog used to go into hibernate when I shut the lid, and it
doesn't any more. So it uses ACPI instead of APM, and its nicer code with
a more reliable interface. Wonderful. Now give me back the ability to
suspend from X and have it come back, you bastards.
[1] Yes, this is a rhetorical question, in this place. No, I haven't found
the answer yet. I have, however, discovered *far* more about ACPI than I
ever wanted to. And I'm amazed that the tangled mess of semi-independent
shell scripts[2] works at all. Oh, wait...
[2] each set of scripts called by a different ACPI daemon/service, (I
count at least three on my KDE install, each required by some other
package -- dependency hell strikes again) each presumably wanting to do its
own thing whenever an event happens. I have not only not found half of the
scripts, I haven't found any mechanism whereby it even sorts out which
daemon gets priority ... I suspect strongly that it is based purely on
which thread is at the front of the queue at that moment.[3] Unless it
isn't. It would be nice if there was some way of finding out, wouldn't
it.[4]
[3] Aaaaaaaaargh!
[4] Besides grovelling through the source of all the packages involved
(once you have found out which packages they *are*), and all the packages
they require, and all the packages which require them, until you find the
single paragraph of code which does what you are looking for, I mean. I
live to dream.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au
Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
i'm going to become rich and famous after i invent a device that allows you to
stab people in the face over the internet -- bash.org/?4281
Matt S Trout
David Cameron Staples <sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM> wrote:
><Re: SVN>
>> Then again, I've so far never had a situation where I've lost both the
>> master and my own local mirror at once,
>
>Now imagine the case where the repository *is* the local mirror. And the
>backup host. All on the one partition, because Hohagh thinks it's easier
>that way[0]. And the disk goes *ptoing!*
So imagined. Whoever it is, I haven't stopped laughing at them yet.
[0] Indeed. Which is why when our MD finally lost his temper with GameOS and
replaced it with Hohagh on his laptop, he handed it to me when it got to that
point in the process and said "it's going to do something stupid by default.
Let me go get another round while you do something sensible with it." He's
getting pretty well trained now. I'm proud of him.
Omri Schwarz
> In article <ho2iie...@phb.lart.ca>, Dave Brown wrote:
> > In article <eihvhn$89v$2...@mooli.org.uk>,
> > Peter Corlett <ab...@cabal.org.uk> wrote:
> >> Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> > You forgot the carefully-selected easy-listening music played at a n
> >> > amplitude that everyone finds pleasant.
> >>
> >> Ah, like the record stores who play such fine music and then wonder why
> >> they've got a large classical music section but bugger all sales from it?
> >
> > Ah, reminds me of a used record store in Toronto I used to frequent
> > (Vortex Records at Yonge'n'Eligible, for those who know--a fine source
>
> I seem to remember why Copenhagen is one of my favourite places to have
> gone to do tech support - how can you dislike a place that has *both* a
> music shop specialising in prog rock *and* a bookshop that specialises
> in science fiction?
<parochial boasting>
Welcome to BOS.
( cambridge.ma.us/Pandemonium and buggeredifIknowthename
a block away)
</parochial boasting>
--
Omri Schwarz --- ocs...@mit.edu ('h' before war)
Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering: "Noise is principally
due to the presence of the patient." -- R.F. Farr
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 11:57 PM, "David Cameron Staples" <sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM>
said:
>Now imagine the case where the repository *is* the local mirror. And
>the backup host. All on the one partition, because Hohagh thinks it's
>easier that way[0].
I didn't need to know that. What were they on?
Dave
"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid>
> >Now imagine the case where the repository *is* the local mirror. And
> >the backup host. All on the one partition, because Hohagh thinks it's
> >easier that way[0].
>
> I didn't need to know that. What were they on?
The top edge of a steep learning curve, if you ask me.
Last back up request last week went:
"Did you have anything on the machine locally?"
"Nope. It was all on the server."
"Excellent!"
"Except my mp3's, that is - I didn't think you'd want them on the
server."
"Err, quite - thanks. You'll have to re-rip those from the originals,
I'm afraid."
"Oh, no, they were all pirate."
"Don't tell me that... Why did you tell me that?"
Richard Bos
> In <4557b4ca$1...@news.unimelb.edu.au>, on 11/12/2006
> at 11:57 PM, "David Cameron Staples" <sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM>
> said:
>
> >Now imagine the case where the repository *is* the local mirror. And
> >the backup host. All on the one partition, because Hohagh thinks it's
> >easier that way[0].
>
> I didn't need to know that. What were they on?
The Open Source power-rush.
Richard
stevo
You are now going to be inundated with a horde of monks (monestary of
monks?) asking to borrow your boss for a while. I want to add my name to
the top of the list[1].
[1] Although my current boss is anything but pointy haired
--
Stevo st...@madcelt.org
"an obstinate heretic in the despite of beauty"
Jed Davis
> Now imagine the case where the repository *is* the local mirror. And the
> backup host. All on the one partition, because Hohagh thinks it's easier
There are times when ebg13 is truly inspired, and I think this is one.
Hohagh: Yvahk for Klingon beings.
> [0] Re the gratuitous fiddling introduced in Hohagh Rqtl: WTF is with the
Even better.
--
(let ((C call-with-current-continuation)) (apply (lambda (x y) (x y)) (map
((lambda (r) ((C C) (lambda (s) (r (lambda l (apply (s s) l)))))) (lambda
(f) (lambda (l) (if (null? l) C (lambda (k) (display (car l)) ((f (cdr l))
(C k))))))) '((#\J #\d #\D #\v #\s) (#\e #\space #\a #\i #\newline)))))
Michel Buijsman
> "David Cameron Staples" <sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM> writes:
>> Now imagine the case where the repository *is* the local mirror. And the
>> backup host. All on the one partition, because Hohagh thinks it's easier
>
> There are times when ebg13 is truly inspired, and I think this is one.
>
> Hohagh: Yvahk for Klingon beings.
And ofcourse the ebg of "Klingon" might as well be a name for
a linux distro. It wouldn't stand out as being a strange name
in a world that already has Hohagh...
--
Michel Buijsman
"Waking up this morning was a pointless act of masochism" -- Girl
Stuart Lamble
> [0] Radio 3 still sometimes does a comparison show - six or eight
> different recordings of a single piece, with the differences between
> them pointed out by someone who Knows His Stuff.
Many years ago, when I wasn't even a PFY, the staff of ABC Radio went on
strike. I can't remember why.
Instead of the regular programming, they played Stairway to Heaven.
Not just the *original* version, either. It was cover after cover after
cover after cover after cover ...
I can't remember if the wobble board cover was in there. It probably
was.
--
My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and
the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet".
Peter Corlett
[...]
> I quite liked Dolly Parton's, although that one's recent enough that it
> probably wasn't featured.
I confess to an occasional liking of her music in small doses, but I can
strongly recommend it on continuous loop as your music-on-hold for when
callers have got used to Crazy Frog, Slow Whiny Christmas Songs, or the
bagpipes.
(Oh yeah, Merry Winterval, Birmingham. How tacky's the crap nailed to the
walls this year?)
Michel Buijsman
> Dave Brown <dagb...@LART.ca> wrote:
>> I quite liked Dolly Parton's, although that one's recent enough that it
>> probably wasn't featured.
>
> I confess to an occasional liking of her music in small doses, but I can
> strongly recommend it on continuous loop as your music-on-hold for when
> callers have got used to Crazy Frog, Slow Whiny Christmas Songs, or the
> bagpipes.
I humbly suggest the self titled album from the Moldy Peaches.
Chris Suslowicz
ab...@cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett) wrote:
I haven't been into the city centre recently, so can't comment. The local
chavs haven't started putting out the illuminated santas yet, so they may
still be in "Stuff go BOOM!" mode.
Chris.
--
I don't do .INI, .BAT, or .SYS files. I don't assign apps to files.
I don't configure peripherals or networks before using them. I have
a computer to do all that. I have a Macintosh, not a hobby.
-- Fritz Anderson
Robert Sneddon
<chris...@suslowicz.org> writes
> The local
>chavs haven't started putting out the illuminated santas yet, so they may
>still be in "Stuff go BOOM!" mode.
Talking about booms in Chav City, uggc://gvalhey.pbz/lrn6gp
It would be kind of sweet if they could put an illuminated Santa on top
of this before they set it off next week.
The one they did last year was shown on live video around the Web. I
suspect this one will be too.
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon
Eric Schwartz
> In article <slrnem1jhv....@carousel.its.monash.edu.au>,
> Stuart Lamble <7d6-...@carousel.its.monash.edu.au> wrote:
> > Not just the *original* version, either. It was cover after cover after
> > cover after cover after cover ...
>
> probably wasn't featured.
An interview a few years back with Robert Plant indicated that it was
his favourite cover.
-=Eric
Richard Bos
> Chris Suslowicz posted thus:
> >I haven't been into the city centre recently, so can't comment. The local
> >chavs haven't started putting out the illuminated santas yet, so they may
> >still be in "Stuff go BOOM!" mode.
>
> They've actually developed sufficient clue to keep their illuminated
> Santas safely under cover until their fellows have run out of ordnance?
"Santa go BOOM!" mode. ISAGN.
Richard
Richard Bos
> On 2006-11-17, Roger Burton West <ro...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
> > [0] Radio 3 still sometimes does a comparison show - six or eight
> > different recordings of a single piece, with the differences between
> > them pointed out by someone who Knows His Stuff.
>
> Many years ago, when I wasn't even a PFY, the staff of ABC Radio went on
> strike. I can't remember why.
>
> Instead of the regular programming, they played Stairway to Heaven.
>
> Not just the *original* version, either. It was cover after cover after
> cover after cover after cover ...
Some people probably cursed at that, but you have to admit, it is a very
Bastardly way to get your point across.
Richard
Mike Andrews
> In article <usg6m297er6mrqj25...@4ax.com>,
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:39:54 GMT, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>>I confess the theme from Gilligan's Island has never been quite the
>>>same for me since I discovered one could sing the lyrics for Advance
>>>Australia Fair, Stairway to Heaven and Amazing Grace all to the tune.
>> It's also great for Green Hills of Earth. Frank Gasperik once sang it
>> at a con and Bob Heinlein said that it was just about what he'd been
>> thinking of.
> I must be blessed not to have any idea what the tune to the theme from
> Gilligan's Island sounds like. I have a strange premonition that this
> is about to change.
One can also sing the Faeroese (and hence the Old Norse) versions of
Olav Tryggvason's Saga to the Gilligan's Island tune. The Agincourt
Carol, OTOH, works far better to the tune of the Banana Boat Song.
De-o, Deeeeeee-o, Deo gratias Angliae!
--
Paul Raj Khangure mumbled:
> Every time someone calls Java a programming language a fairy dies?
From frustration, if nothing else.
DaZZa, in a.t-s.r
Joe Zeff
<mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>
>
>One can also sing the Faeroese (and hence the Old Norse) versions of
>Olav Tryggvason's Saga to the Gilligan's Island tune. The Agincourt
>Carol, OTOH, works far better to the tune of the Banana Boat Song.
`
There's a hymn at the end of Sabbath Service, Adon Olam, which is sung
to many, many tunes. Although I've not used them, I've heard that
much merriment has come from both Nznmvat Tenpr and Wrfhf Puevfg
Fhcrefgne.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
It's so nice to be insane, no one asks you to explain.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
mrob...@worldnet.att.net
> I must be blessed not to have any idea what the tune to the theme from
> Gilligan's Island sounds like.
One way is to find someone who grew up in .us and is currently about 30
to 45 years old. Say (you don't have to sing or even know the tune) "Just
sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip" and
they'll likely finish the song for you. If he or she can't finish it,
find another similar person (.us and 30 <= age <= 45) and try again. In
the worst case you'll only have to ask about 6 or 7 people to find one
that knows it.
> I have a strange premonition that this is about to change.
The other way is to gargle it.
16 kbit 11.025 KHz:
uggc://ubzr.pbzpnfg.arg/~zvyyraavhzovm3/gi/Tvyyvtnaf_Vfynaq.zc3
I think this is the "complete" theme. IIRC, only the first 60 seconds
were actually used at the beginning of each episode. The remainder may
have been played at the end; I don't remember.
Matt Roberds
Dave Hughes
> Some people probably cursed at that, but you have to admit, it is a very
> Bastardly way to get your point across.
Many moons ago JJJ (ABC's Yoof Network) were hauled across the coals for
playing NWA's _Fuck tha Police_ after one of the talkback types whinged.At
that stage they'd been playing it off and on for around 6 months without
complaints from their audience, but management said "NO!"
Their response was to put NWA's _Express Yourself_ on back to back
rotation for 24 hours. I like that kind of response.
--
Dave Hughes | da...@hired-goons.net
I still can't see a wasp without thinking "400K 1W"
- Derek Potter, uk.misc
Shalom Septimus
<the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>There's a hymn at the end of Sabbath Service, Adon Olam, which is sung
>to many, many tunes. Although I've not used them, I've heard that
>much merriment has come from both Amazing Grace and Jesus Christ
>Superstar.
The only time I ever saw our Rabbi turn purple was when someone sang
this hymn to the fourth movement of Beethoven's Ninth (aka "To Joy").
Apparently he was familiar with the original poem and thought it ...
inappropriate, or something.
--
Shalom
David Cameron Staples
Was it the "Alle Menschen werden Brüder" bit?
Frankly, apart from certain not-nearly-defunct-enough political movements
having made misuse of the song, I can't see what's wrong with it.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au
Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
If you piss off enough people, it's hard to tell the difference
between a distributed denial of service attack and public opinion.
-- bash.org/?22352
Peter Corlett
[...]
> The only time I ever saw our Rabbi turn purple was when someone sang this
> hymn to the fourth movement of Beethoven's Ninth (aka "To Joy").
> Apparently he was familiar with the original poem and thought it ...
> inappropriate, or something.
You'd better not let him listen to ISIHAC then.
Somewhat amusingly, they did a Christmas special in Golders Green.
Mike Andrews
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:20:12 +0000, Richard Bos wrote:
>> Some people probably cursed at that, but you have to admit, it is a very
>> Bastardly way to get your point across.
> Many moons ago JJJ (ABC's Yoof Network) were hauled across the coals for
> playing NWA's _Fuck tha Police_ after one of the talkback types whinged.At
> that stage they'd been playing it off and on for around 6 months without
> complaints from their audience, but management said "NO!"
> Their response was to put NWA's _Express Yourself_ on back to back
> rotation for 24 hours. I like that kind of response.
Yeah. "Here, management. See the Amish Rake Fight Site while you're
at it.
This:
: I still can't see a wasp without thinking "400K 1W"
: - Derek Potter, uk.misc
is one of the funniest sigs I've _ever_ seen, and the perfect in-joke.
But shouldn't it be "440", rather than "400"?
--
Bill Gates says Open Source is riding on the coat-tails of Windows' success.
That's like saying Osama has done his part to increase airport security.
-- Carl Schelin, in the Monastery
Chris Suslowicz
ral...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
Now if we could interest the Estes model rocketry bunch to make a
scaled up "Fatboy" out of an inflatable Santa, that could be fun.
A field full of inflatable sheep^WSantas where the inflation is
done with a stochiometric mix of propane and oxygen and you get
to play with a .22LR and tracer rounds might be even more fun.
Chris.
--
Just remember, violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
The rest of us don't wait until it's the only option. -- R B-W
Chris Suslowicz
"Mike Andrews" <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>On 22 Nov 2006 04:33:36 GMT, Dave Hughes <spam...@hired-goons.net> wrote in
><4563d320$0$5109$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>:
>This:
>
>: I still can't see a wasp without thinking "400K 1W"
>: - Derek Potter, uk.misc
>
>is one of the funniest sigs I've _ever_ seen, and the perfect in-joke.
>But shouldn't it be "440", rather than "400"?
Neither of them are preferred values, unfortunately, not even on E192.
440K makes more sense if you treat black as the body colour though.
Mike Andrews
> In article <45633f43...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> ral...@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
>>ab...@leftmind.net (Anthony de Boer - USEnet) wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Suslowicz posted thus:
>>> >I haven't been into the city centre recently, so can't comment. The local
>>> >chavs haven't started putting out the illuminated santas yet, so they may
>>> >still be in "Stuff go BOOM!" mode.
>>>
>>> They've actually developed sufficient clue to keep their illuminated
>>> Santas safely under cover until their fellows have run out of ordnance?
>>
>>"Santa go BOOM!" mode. ISAGN.
> Now if we could interest the Estes model rocketry bunch to make a
> scaled up "Fatboy" out of an inflatable Santa, that could be fun.
> A field full of inflatable sheep^WSantas where the inflation is
> done with a stochiometric mix of propane and oxygen and you get
> to play with a .22LR and tracer rounds might be even more fun.
You may recall that in the last 5 years or so, some girls filled their
air mattresses at a service station here in .ok.us, and were seriously
burned when the gas in those mattersses ignited in their car while
they were driving merrily along.
They had inflated the mattresses with stoichiometric oxyacetylene, or
maybe just with pure acetylene. Either way, it raised Pure Hell with
the inside of the car, and with the girls, both of whom were burned
badly on their backs and heads.
I really have difficulty imagining anyone who would _do_ that.
--
It may not be nice to fool Mother Nature, but it's stupid to thwart
Darwin.
-- Me, to an unnamed newsgroup, Thu Feb 6 09:05:34 2003