Re: Recovery through Photography
Stuart Lamble
> http://www.onlyforfun.net/img/img_0028.jpg
Not bad.
When I'm shooting the moon, I like to haul out the 100-400mm (not
particularly cheap, though), and a friend's 2x teleconverter (a cheap
one - Quantaray, I think.) 800mm gets a much larger image on the sensor,
and hence more detail.
It also works really well if you photograph it at the half moon (waxing
or waning, depending on which half you want) - then there's the shadows
cast by the craters, giving it a feeling of depth.
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Ben A L Jemmett
<slrnepqstn.4hg...@fogg.onlyforfun.net>:
> http://www.onlyforfun.net/img/img_0028.jpg
Not bad, especially the colour -- when I tried the same thing I forgot
about setting a white balance and let the camera work it out itself:
http://abstract.microwavepizza.co.uk/main.php/v/other-stuff/IMG_9323_cro
p.jpg.html
Mine was with the 100-300mm EF L lens the boss gave me (as he'd
upgraded to the 100-400 I think); it was sheer coincidence that I got
hold of the lens the same evening there was an eclipse, but it did take
me a while to get a nice exposure by which time there wasn't much
eclipsing going on.
A couple of days later I got a pretty nice hand-held shot with the same
lens, having spotted a nice clear sky whilst at my girlfriend's place
in London. It doesn't seem to be on the web, though, I'll dig it up
and see whether it looks any whiter!
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Brian Kantor
>Alternately; shoot in
>RAW mode & set the WB manually when you process your shots (which is
>what I do).
Do what the pro & video folk do: shoot a reference white/grey/colour
card in each environment.
That way you have something to balance against later.
You could m-AWB against the card to get close, and then take a
picture of it to do fine corrections later.
- Brian
Jasper Janssen
<davidey...@onlyforfun.net> wrote:
>On 2007-01-04, Ben A L Jemmett <bal.j...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not bad, especially the colour -- when I tried the same thing I forgot
>> about setting a white balance and let the camera work it out itself:
>
>I hate auto white balance! How in the hell did they manage to put so
>much suckiness into a small simple things?
My father had someone scan in a bunch of lecture slides, mostly pen
drawings and building plans, pure black/white, or at least black on grey.
Apparently the scanner felt it should have the same white balance as a
nude, so they all came out in black-on-pink.
Funnily enough, Adobe's flagship product's auto WB got them back to near
b/w effortlessly.
Jasper
Chris Suslowicz
br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) wrote:
>Lionel <use...@imagenoir.com> wrote:
>>Alternately; shoot in
>>RAW mode & set the WB manually when you process your shots (which is
>>what I do).
>
>Do what the pro & video folk do: shoot a reference white/grey/colour
>card in each environment.
<FX: waves official Kodak "grey card"[1]>
Damned useful they are, too. (Of course: unless you're within a few
feet of the subject you have to assume that the lighting is the same,
but it's still better than guesswork.)
>That way you have something to balance against later.
>
>You could m-AWB against the card to get close, and then take a
>picture of it to do fine corrections later.
I've gophered for a friend with an 'over the shoulder' Sony Hi-8
"camcorder" - the one they discontinued because it was much too
good a deal.[2]
"White balance, please"
"OK" <step in front of camera, hold up card>
<faint twiddling noises> "Thanks"
It was fun, even though I *did* get to carry all the spare batteries, etc.
Chris.
[1] 18% grey/gray one side, white (90%?) the other.
[2] 7000 range, I think. Pitched at the industrial/semi-pro market, but
had *all* the good bits that were modular $$$$$$$$ extras on the 'Pro'
range, plus image quality that was *very* hard to tell apart from the
said 'Pro' range, and all at about 50% of the cost.
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away when you flush, and to stop the rats climbing into your toilet
through the pipes. (Tanuki, describing network administration.)
Brian Kantor
>
>"White balance, please"
>"OK" <step in front of camera, hold up card>
><faint twiddling noises> "Thanks"
A cool accessory for the video photog is a translucent white lenscap.
You just put it on the lens, and whilst the VTR is spinning up to
speed, hit the white-balance button. It's probably as good as the
reporter's notepad, and a whole lot more convenient.
"eye-ease" pale-green reporter's notepads are banned in many TV stations.
- Brian
Steve VanDevender
> I still believe that the Internet's next killer-app will be a
> search-engine solely optimised to seek out fleshtones.
booble.com has been around for a few years now and doesn't seem to have
taken over the Internet yet.
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Garrett Wollman
Tanuki <mailer...@canismajor.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Indeed - if you've got any intention of peddling what-you-shoot
>commercially, RAW is the _only_ way to do it. I learned this
>lesson the hard way. .jpg is OK for previews but when you're
>going to be doing battle with a phototypesetter you need the
>original....
I haven't found that. Most of the people I've sold stuff to are
printing onto newsprint at a resolution significantly worse than your
average home ink-jet; the JPEG artifacts are epsilon compared to that
sort of abuse. (And the stuff I've had pro-printed personally would
also attest to that.)
-GAWollman
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Chris Suslowicz
br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) wrote:
>Chris Suslowicz <chris...@suslowicz.org> wrote:
>>
>>"White balance, please"
>>"OK" <step in front of camera, hold up card>
>><faint twiddling noises> "Thanks"
>
>A cool accessory for the video photog is a translucent white lenscap.
>You just put it on the lens, and whilst the VTR is spinning up to
>speed, hit the white-balance button. It's probably as good as the
>reporter's notepad,
Ummm, no.
> and a whole lot more convenient.
With the drawback of getting it wrong on numerous occasions. This is
the same problem as reflected versus incident light measurement with
an averaging exposure meter: it assumes that the subject averages to
neutral grey (18% reflectance). If it /doesn't/ then you're going to
get exposure errors and/or a colour cast in the resultant image. It
may also not be possible to correct for this at a later stage if you
have lost highlight/shadow detail as a result of an "average" reading.
Photographing a white sheet using an 'averaging' exposure meter will
get you an 18% grey sheet (that can be corrected at the printing
stage (probably) by going down 3 stops). Photographing someone in a
red coat in front of a red door will give them a grey coat and a green
face, and be a lot less easy to correct to "reality". Doing a proper
"white balance" for the incident light, and setting the exposure by
using a grey card (or an incident light meter) saves a *lot* of
messing about at the printing stage.
If it's not possible (stage lighting, etc.) then you have to make
a calculated guess at the correct settings (or bracket and pray).
Chris. (Needs to get out and do more photography!)
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Chris Suslowicz
Lionel <use...@imagenoir.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 00:37:20 +0000 (UTC), br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian
>Kantor) wrote:
>
>>Chris Suslowicz <chris...@suslowicz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>"White balance, please"
>>>"OK" <step in front of camera, hold up card>
>>><faint twiddling noises> "Thanks"
>>
>>A cool accessory for the video photog is a translucent white lenscap.
>>You just put it on the lens, and whilst the VTR is spinning up to
>>speed, hit the white-balance button. It's probably as good as the
>>reporter's notepad, and a whole lot more convenient.
>
>A styrofoam coffee cup is equally effective.
As an "invercone", possibly. (And only if clean!)[1]
Chris.
[1] Exposure measurements by reading the tea leaves?
Jasper Janssen
<ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>Tanuki <mailer...@canismajor.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>> I still believe that the Internet's next killer-app will be a
>> search-engine solely optimised to seek out fleshtones.
>
>booble.com has been around for a few years now and doesn't seem to have
>taken over the Internet yet.
A quick perusal seems to indicate it doesn't deliver what it promises:
neither the minimalist interface nor the ease of use of google, and
perhaps most problematic, it's significantly less useful for its stated
purpose than google with safesearch turned off. It, in fact, seems to be
Yet Another porn listing aggregate site in disguise, of the kind that
lives (very visibly) off clickthroughs and page impressions.
Jasper
Steve VanDevender
> On 2007-01-06, Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>> xxxxxx.xxx has been around for a few years now and doesn't seem to have
>> taken over the Internet yet.
>
> You do realize that this could be considered UI of some sort, don't you?
That's useful to you in your job duties? What sort of job do you have?
mrob...@worldnet.att.net
> In article <enm4gr$11sc$1...@ihnp4.ucsd.edu>,
> br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) wrote:
>>Do what the pro & video folk do: shoot a reference white/grey/colour
>>card in each environment.
>
> <FX: waves official Kodak "grey card"[1]>
I learned about setting white balance on a video camera in junior high
[0] art class. Later, at university (about 1991), a fellow student was
writing a report and he wanted to include some photos. He apparently
knew how to get access to a really nice scanner - it even did *COLOR* -
and wanted to make sure the source photos were of good quality. He
was using some kind of 35mm SLR, and a grey card. He explained how he
was going to take shots of the grey card and use them to make sure the
film was developed and printed correctly.
I commented that this did indeed show attention to detail, but that it
would require the support of whoever was developing the film and making
the prints. Since this was a small college town, I asked him how he
found a lab that was willing to work with him. "Oh, I'm going to get
it developed at Wal-Mart." I expressed my doubts that the person
running the "one hour photo" machine there would be able to help. He
was undeterred and had the film developed there. The colors came out
reasonably well, but not because of the grey card shots - my doubts were
well-founded.
Matt Roberds
[0] Students ~12-14 years old.
Peter Corlett
> [...] I'd be surprised if someone hasn't coupled a trainable speech
> recognition program with a chat app already, for the online version of the
> service.
I can't quite imagine it working:
Is this 0906-WANKERS?
What do you think?
Well, you know... I'm horny.
Do you get horny often?
Oh yeah, baby.
Why do you say yeah baby?
Er, because.
Can you elaborate on that?
Sod that, what are you wearing?
Is it because what are me wearing that you came to me?
This service sucks.
Earlier you said you were horny?
Yeah, but you're such a passionkiller, bitch.
Does it bother you that I am such a passionkiller bitch?
Yes.
I see... Well, what makes you believe this is so?
*click*
I would appreciate it if you would continue.
Stuart Lamble
> Do what the pro & video folk do: shoot a reference white/grey/colour
> card in each environment.
There's also Expodisc (webshite's borken - probably something to do with
me blocking cookies by default; fscking rogering stupid PHP
"programmers"). My cousin works in a photography shop; she's had the
opportunity to play with it, and says it works well. The only issue is
the price; at $AU175 or so for the 77mm version, I'm not prepared to
play ball, and neither is she.
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Steve VanDevender
> A couple of days ago, however, I did help out a friend with a
> problem on one of the servers he looks after... he is hosting p30n sites...
> how the hell do you get a gig like that?? On the other hand, it could
> be kind-of-depressing, I mean, you're the only one doing _real_ work
> there...
A lot of people working in the pr0n industry are expected to keep it up
for some amount of time, but only the sysadmins are expected to keep it
up 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And they don't get fluffers, either.
mrob...@worldnet.att.net
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:18:32 -0800, Steve VanDevender
> <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>
>>A lot of people working in the pr0n industry are expected to keep it up
>>for some amount of time, but only the sysadmins are expected to keep it
>>up 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And they don't get fluffers, either.
>
Friday is your day in the barrel.
Matt Roberds
Steve VanDevender
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:18:32 -0800, Steve VanDevender
> <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>
>>A lot of people working in the pr0n industry are expected to keep it up
>>for some amount of time, but only the sysadmins are expected to keep it
>>up 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And they don't get fluffers, either.
>
> Fluffers for sysadmins. ISAGN.
It won't happen. Sysadmins are just fluffers for the machines.
LP
>
> I'd be surprised if
> someone hasn't coupled a trainable speech recognition program
> with a chat app already, for the online version of the service.
A friend of a friend made an awful lot of money by training an
Eliza bot to "talk dirty" and then selling it to mobile phone
porn merchants for SMS textback services.
I'm told that a surprising number of people will pay a pound a
message to talk dirty to a machine...
-Paul
Chris Suslowicz
Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>Davide Bianchi <davidey...@onlyforfun.net> writes:
>
>> A couple of days ago, however, I did help out a friend with a
>> problem on one of the servers he looks after... he is hosting p30n sites...
>> how the hell do you get a gig like that?? On the other hand, it could
>> be kind-of-depressing, I mean, you're the only one doing _real_ work
>> there...
>
>A lot of people working in the pr0n industry are expected to keep it up
>for some amount of time, but only the sysadmins are expected to keep it
>up 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And they don't get fluffers, either.
That is *so* snarfed. (Bricktext, too: you're spoiling the sigmonster.)
Chris.
--
A lot of people working in the pr0n industry are expected to keep it up
for some amount of time, but only the sysadmins are expected to keep it
up 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And they don't get fluffers, either.
-- Steve VanDevender in the monastery.
The Horny Goat
<ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>>>A lot of people working in the pr0n industry are expected to keep it up
>>>for some amount of time, but only the sysadmins are expected to keep it
>>>up 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And they don't get fluffers, either.
>>
>> Fluffers for sysadmins. ISAGN.
>
>It won't happen. Sysadmins are just fluffers for the machines.
In the sense of "those who keep it up" that is literally true!
The Horny Goat
Clearly I'm in the wrong line of work...
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<lcr...@home.ca> writes
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appreciate the perks of the job.
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SteveD
>Lionel <use...@imagenoir.com> wrote:
>> Fluffers for sysadmins. ISAGN.
>
>Friday is your day in the barrel.
As opposed to the current 24/7?
Graham Reed
> Strange: I *get* paid to talk dirty to machines. I find it helpful
> to scare them with the prospect of how much worse things will get
> for them if they don't work to my satisfaction.
F/X: axe sharpening
BOFH: Yes, I'll be looking in to that server problem shortly.
F/X: server starts working REALLY well
If things are down when I'm near them, they're very broken. Normally,
machines behave, 'cause they know what's good for them.
This is the main way to tell servers apart from lusers. The lusers
don't know what's good for them.
--
"Going fetal is not an intelligent defense."
-- Randy Couture, UFC 66 commentator
ne...@buffy.sighup.org.uk
> This is the main way to tell servers apart from lusers. The lusers
> don't know what's good for them.
So far I've never felt bad about switching off a luser.
In recent months I've had to decommission a couple of very reliable servers
that did nothing but work properly from the day they were switched on seven
years ago. But money talks and newer hardware is cheaper to run[1].
Pushing that Big Red Switch on each of them was difficult.
[1] Unfortunately we are in a situation where unreliability doesn't have a
financial cost.
--
Geoff Lane, Airstrip One
Richard Bos
> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 05:14:19 +0000 (UTC), wol...@csail.mit.edu
> (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>
> >In article <Xber9CAN...@demon.co.uk>,
> >Tanuki <mailer...@canismajor.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>Indeed - if you've got any intention of peddling what-you-shoot
> >>commercially, RAW is the _only_ way to do it. I learned this
> >>lesson the hard way. .jpg is OK for previews but when you're
> >>going to be doing battle with a phototypesetter you need the
> >>original....
> >
> >I haven't found that. Most of the people I've sold stuff to are
> >printing onto newsprint
>
> Which is a microscopic part of the market for professional
> photography.
Probably not, given the number of newspapers, middling, tiny and
humungous, that are printed daily all over the world; but it's a
microscopic part of the free-lance professional photography market,
which is what you're looking at. Most photos you see in newspapers (at
least in ours, and in all others I know of) are made either by in-house
photographers, or on direct order to the same local photographers they
used last time. It's a massive market, but it's mostly closed.
> Hell, the TV news services & newspapers here openly
> solicit phone-camera shots from random members of the public. (And
> given the wording they use, I strongly suspect that they don't expect
> to pay for submissions from Joe Public either.)
You better believe they don't. And given the crap that comes in that
way, with reason.
Richard
Richard Bos
> ab...@leftmind.net (Anthony de Boer - USEnet) writes:
> > Strange: I *get* paid to talk dirty to machines. I find it helpful
> > to scare them with the prospect of how much worse things will get
> > for them if they don't work to my satisfaction.
>
> F/X: axe sharpening
>
> BOFH: Yes, I'll be looking in to that server problem shortly.
>
> F/X: server starts working REALLY well
>
> If things are down when I'm near them, they're very broken. Normally,
> machines behave, 'cause they know what's good for them.
>
> This is the main way to tell servers apart from lusers. The lusers
> don't know what's good for them.
If I had a sig, I'd .sig those last two paragraphs.
Richard
Stig M. Valstad
>Graham Reed <gr...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> This is the main way to tell servers apart from lusers. The lusers
>> don't know what's good for them.
>
>So far I've never felt bad about switching off a luser.
>
>In recent months I've had to decommission a couple of very reliable servers
>that did nothing but work properly from the day they were switched on seven
>years ago. But money talks and newer hardware is cheaper to run[1].
I'm about to replace the backup servers soon (new servers
to be delivered "this week"). Two UE450s that have been
running reliably for over 7 years. Everyone were drooling
over them when they arrived just after I started working
here. We'll see how well the new niagaras will work.
>Pushing that Big Red Switch on each of them was difficult.
>
>[1] Unfortunately we are in a situation where unreliability doesn't have a
>financial cost.
If unreliability does not have a financial cost that means
that downtime does not have a financial cost and you might
as well just turn off the servers and save even more.
--
Stig M. Valstad
What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nath Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't
you understand?
Brian Kantor
>
>I'm about to replace the backup servers soon (new servers
>to be delivered "this week").
They just bought me a Thumper for doing backups onto,
and this will be the first bit of Sun kit I've had to
herd for more than 5 years.
Google-style maintenance.
I already know not to rack mount it.
Let the nightmares begin.
- Brian
Peter Corlett
[...]
> They just bought me a Thumper for doing backups onto, and this will be the
> first bit of Sun kit I've had to herd for more than 5 years.
Presumably named after the Disney rabbit that makes so much noise?
> Google-style maintenance.
When it fucks up, you paste the error message into Google, so that you find
hundreds of other people with the same problem, but no solution?
> I already know not to rack mount it.
I bet in that configuration it's perfect for slowly cooking Bambi's mother.
I can almost taste the venison burger now.
Brian Kantor
When part of it fails, you leave it broke until the next
scheduled PM, because it's redundant enough that you don't
care. Or so da boss sez. Wheee!
- Brian
Jasper Janssen
>You better believe they don't. And given the crap that comes in that
>way, with reason.
An acquaintance of mine used his P&S digicam to take pictures out of his
college dorm room window of one of the SWAT team raids on warez topsites
in the building across from him on the campus. These ended up used by
various TV news organisations in their News, and he got paid by both the
NOS and RTL for them. Of course, he didn't submit them, himself, to a "all
rights are null and void if you cross this treshold" email address, they
just stole the pictures at random off the net.
Jasper
Jasper Janssen
M. Valstad) wrote:
>I'm about to replace the backup servers soon (new servers
>to be delivered "this week"). Two UE450s that have been
>running reliably for over 7 years. Everyone were drooling
>over them when they arrived just after I started working
>here.
And now you can't get anyone to help cart them away even with the promise
of having them free?
Jasper
Steve VanDevender
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:42:13 +0000 (UTC), Brian Kantor wrote:
>> In article <slrneqeg07....@mysil.itea.ntnu.no>,
>> They just bought me a Thumper for doing backups onto,
>> and this will be the first bit of Sun kit I've had to
>> herd for more than 5 years.
>
> It'll attract spice worms.
You mean sandworms.
Now that it contains a Thumper, perhaps Brian should be concerned about
his machine room being devoured by a sandworm. However, if he scrounges
up some riding hooks he might be able to take the worm on a trip of
selected devastation.
--
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Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 10:27 PM, br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) said:
>When part of it fails, you leave it broke until the next scheduled
>PM, because it's redundant enough that you don't care. Or so da boss
>sez.
And you believe him because?
--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)
Steve VanDevender
> In <eo920v$etl$1...@ihnp4.ucsd.edu>, on 01/12/2007
> at 10:27 PM, br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) said:
>
>>When part of it fails, you leave it broke until the next scheduled
>>PM, because it's redundant enough that you don't care. Or so da boss
>>sez.
>
> And you believe him because?
Who says Brian believes his boss?
The problem seems to be that the boss believed the Sun salesman. So,
you take the boss at his word, and the next time the box breaks, you say
that since he said to leave it broke until the next scheduled PM, that's
exactly what you're doing. Even if it is emitting smoke or performing
like a drunken snail. 'Cause it's redundant enough that you don't care.
Brian Kantor
>
>Now that it contains a Thumper, perhaps Brian should be concerned about
>his machine room being devoured by a sandworm.
Concerned? No. Hopeful, yes.
In fact, I'm looking forward to dancing on the remains.
- Brian
Brian Kantor
>>Or so da boss
>>sez.
>
>And you believe him because?
This one is clued. And also on the on-call list.
- Brian
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
at 11:23 PM, br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) said:
>In fact, I'm looking forward to dancing on the remains.
Which remains, sandworm or server?
In this allegory, does 'doze serve the role of the waters of death?
Brian Kantor
>>In fact, I'm looking forward to dancing on the remains.
>
>Which remains, sandworm or server?
The servers.
I suspect any sandworm that attacks our servers would survive.
However, sandworm maintenance is Not My Job. Ask for Paul.
>In this allegory, does 'doze serve the role of the waters of death?
There are no windows machines anywhere in MY server farm.
- Brian
Alexander Schreiber
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:56:43 +0000 (UTC), br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu
> (Brian Kantor) wrote:
>
>>Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>>> at 11:23 PM, br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) said:
>>>>In fact, I'm looking forward to dancing on the remains.
>>>
>>>Which remains, sandworm or server?
>>
>>The servers.
>>
>>I suspect any sandworm that attacks our servers would survive.
>>However, sandworm maintenance is Not My Job. Ask for Paul.
>
> is trivial. /Decommissioning/ the buggers, OTOH...
ISTR that serving them a large bucket of instant sunshine solves that.
HTH,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
Jasper Janssen
>As long as you're on the right kind of planet, /maintaining/ sandworms
>is trivial. /Decommissioning/ the buggers, OTOH...
Although getting the planet to the point where the Ciiiiircle of Life of
the Makers starts working might not be exactly a solved problem.
Jasper
Steve VanDevender
Now you've got me imagining a musical-movie mashup of "The Lion King"
and "Dune". I mean, it couldn't suck much worse than David Lynch's
"Dune" movie.
Richard Bos
> Jasper Janssen <jas...@jjanssen.org> writes:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:26:13 +1100, Lionel <use...@imagenoir.com> wrote:
> >
> >>As long as you're on the right kind of planet, /maintaining/ sandworms
> >>is trivial. /Decommissioning/ the buggers, OTOH...
> >
> > Although getting the planet to the point where the Ciiiiircle of Life of
> > the Makers starts working might not be exactly a solved problem.
>
> Now you've got me imagining a musical-movie mashup of "The Lion King"
> and "Dune". I mean, it couldn't suck much worse than David Lynch's
> "Dune" movie.
Be fair. At least that film only sucked as hard as the third book, not
as hard as the ones after that.
Richard
John Burnham
>
> Now you've got me imagining a musical-movie mashup of "The Lion King"
> and "Dune". I mean, it couldn't suck much worse than David Lynch's
> "Dune" movie.
>
It wouldn't have Sting poncing about in his underpants. Or at least I
hope to ghod it wouldn't....
J
Brian Kantor
>... it couldn't suck much worse than David Lynch's "Dune" movie.
I would have like to have seen -- ONCE -- the long "european" cut
of Dune - what was it, 5 hours?
I read somewhere that the roughcut ran for about 12 hours.
Having not (at the time) read any of the Dune novels, I found the
story in the film hard to follow, with many scenes seemingly missing.
The finest moment in the film was when all the teenybopper girls
in the audience screamed in dismay: "Sting, where is thy death?"
(or summat like that.)
- Brian
Dave
> I would have like to have seen -- ONCE -- the long "european" cut
> of Dune - what was it, 5 hours?
You're not thinking of the "Alan Smithee" version are you? That clocks in
at 3 hours, and really feels like it's a version made to be a
mini-series. Lots of sketch image and voiceover scenario building, and
insane amounts of narration.
I actually have a soft spot for the Lynch version, since I think he did a
pretty good job of bringing some elements to the screen. Unfortunately he
also brought some extra elements. The Smithee version takes all the good
aaspects and buries them under so much extra dross that I really must burn
that video, once I get a DVD version of the original (you can get a
collector's edition with both, which may be on the list if I see it for a
reasonable price).
--
Dave Hughes | da...@hired-goons.net
"Quantum materiae materietur marmota
monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?"
Brian Kantor
>You're not thinking of the "Alan Smithee" version are you?
No, this is one that was rumoured to have been shown in Europe
(at about four hour duration) and cut down to 2.5 hours for USA
bladders.
>That clocks in
>at 3 hours, and really feels like it's a version made to be a
>mini-series.
It was presented that way, in its first TV showing, IIRC.
I can see why Lynch said "take my name off it".
>once I get a DVD version of the original (you can get a
>collector's edition with both, which may be on the list if I see it for a
>reasonable price).
Deeper and deeper in the rumour pit we get when one hears that there
is supposed to have been a "phantom edit" version where someone
added back some of the scenes that were omitted in the Lynch version
from the Smithee version. However, I've never met anyone who
actually *saw* that edit; it's always a "heard about". Probably
just wishful thinking given voice.
- Brian
mark9
> Dave <spam...@hired-goons.net> wrote:
>> You're not thinking of the "Alan Smithee" version are you?
>
> No, this is one that was rumoured to have been shown in Europe (at
> about four hour duration) and cut down to 2.5 hours for USA
> bladders.
To be fair to USA bladders, it is not so much the size of the bladders
that is the limiting factor, but rather the fact that a "small" movie
beverage is roughly one imperial gallon.[1] And nobody in the USA
_EVER_ orders less than a medium anything.
[1] And by law costs the same as the ticket.
Eric Schwartz
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:50:19 -0500, mark9 wrote:
> > beverage is roughly one imperial gallon.[1] And nobody in the USA
> > _EVER_ orders less than a medium anything.
>
Not so.
> Consider, one large chain of shops (which we'll call "Apollo's") has
> sizes "Tall", i18n('es','Large'), i18n('it','Big').
I refuse to acknowledge the existence of this stupidity, and simply
refer to them as "small", "medium", and "large". If the counterperson
(what an accidentally euphonious euphemism) tries to correct me, I
simply repeat myself until they give up and give me what what I asked
for.
> Or something. I've heard that some pizza places refuse to
> acknowledge the existence of "small" pizzas -- or was that small
> fries?
For most of the ones around here, the smallest size you can get is a
"medium", although that doesn't fret me overly, given that the most
likely cause is that they used to have a smaller "small", and when
they dropped it, didn't want their customers to have to start ordering
"small" when they wanted the same size they'd always got when they
ordered a "medium" in the past.
-=Eric
Dave
> I refuse to acknowledge the existence of this stupidity, and simply
> refer to them as "small", "medium", and "large". If the counterperson
> (what an accidentally euphonious euphemism) tries to correct me, I
> simply repeat myself until they give up and give me what what I asked
> for.
How do you deal with the overloading of those terms such that "medium" is
"small" when you want to order something other than their smallest size? I
realise this is a hypothetical situation requiring you to feed a good
sized family with a single serve, but it might happen.
--
Dave Hughes | da...@hired-goons.net
"Forty-two" - Deep Thought
Joe Zeff
>How do you deal with the overloading of those terms such that "medium" is
>"small" when you want to order something other than their smallest size? I
>realise this is a hypothetical situation requiring you to feed a good
>sized family with a single serve, but it might happen.
You RTFM[1] and adjust appropriatly. Furrfu!
[1]Menu
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
another clue like that and I may have to start thinking.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Brian Kantor
>> for.
"and a cup of water" or "and an 8-ounce cola"
Virtual guarantee the cup of water will be small.
- Brian
Jasper Janssen
>I refuse to acknowledge the existence of this stupidity, and simply
>refer to them as "small", "medium", and "large". If the counterperson
>(what an accidentally euphonious euphemism) tries to correct me, I
>simply repeat myself until they give up and give me what what I asked
>for.
The problem here comes when standard{small|medium|large} maps onto
shop{medium|large|XL}, or something of the sort. Ordering medium or large
gets you the wrong one there.
Jasper
Eric Schwartz
That's why I was speaking of the specific absurdity perpetrated by the
Kara's chain. I also specifically mentioned that I wasn't bothered by
places where the smallest is 'medium', on the grounds that they
probably used to have a 'small' and don't anymore.
-=Eric
Dave
> Or the coming "Virgin Media" aka NTL:Telewest packages:
>
> There is no "TV S", and hasn't been since Carlton and Granada gobbled
> up all the regional companies then merged.
Since they don't appear to actually make much television these days,
with the unfortunate exception of 'Reality' crud, game shows and two
soap opera's that are increasingly resembling those day-time soaps the
Leftpondians <ahem> love, I suspect there is so little you couldn't
actually make or sell a "TV S" product - unless it's just ITV4 and
consists of non-stop re-runs of the ITC back-catalogue.
Which sounds a whole lot better than ITV1, if you ask me.
Dave
Peter Corlett
[...]
> There is no "TV S", and hasn't been since Carlton and Granada gobbled up
> your lovely tangents!
Barring your awful pun, a "TV S" would presumably be to tell them where to
stick their service and then throw the TV out of the window.
Joshua Baker-LePain
>
> I refuse to acknowledge the existence of this stupidity, and simply
> refer to them as "small", "medium", and "large". If the counterperson
> (what an accidentally euphonious euphemism) tries to correct me, I
> simply repeat myself until they give up and give me what what I asked
> for.
I like the alternative I first heard from the Car Talk guys (I have no idea
if it's original to them) -- simply order a fixed $CURRENCY amount worth of
beverage and insist upon it. As in "I want $2 worth of coffee[1] -- no
more, no less". This has the added benefit of letting you watch
counterperson's cranial contents explode not once, but twice. First when
they try to grok your request, and second (if they get far) when they try to
do the resultant mental arithmetic.
[1] Using the term loosely of course.
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
Dave
> I have this problem with T-shirts. Being interestingly-proportioned it's
> really hard to get a shirt which doesn't risk splitting round the
> shoulders when lifting anything, while at the same time doesn't hang
> like a bell-tent round my waist.
Try outdoor shops that do clothing for climbers. As a rule they're a
subspecies that has Schwarzenegger shoulders and Yankovic lower bodies, so
if the manufacturer has done any kind of styling then you'll be in
business.
--
Dave Hughes | da...@hired-goons.net
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of
the precipitate - Steven Wright
Robert Uhl
>
> That's why I was speaking of the specific absurdity perpetrated by the
> Kara's chain. I also specifically mentioned that I wasn't bothered by
> places where the smallest is 'medium', on the grounds that they
> probably used to have a 'small' and don't anymore.
Actually, that particular chain does have a small; they just don't
advertise it. I'm told that it's the best size for their cappuccino,
actually.
As for 'medium' with 'small,' it annoys my small little mind: how can
something be in the middle if there's not something on either side of
it?
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