Re: Recovery, just not the normal sort
Stuart Lamble
> I finally went back to work on Monday the 29th. I'm grateful that I have
> an employer that told $WIFE when she called to tell them I was in the
> hospital, "tell him to get well, don't worry about the office" - and they
> meant it.
>
> I'm still on supplemental oxygen at night with my CPAP machine, and have
> to take daily Advair, Singulair, and 2x-daily breathing treatments for my
> asthma, but I'm breathing better now than I did before I went into the
> hospital.
Glad to hear it. No work is worth your health - I learnt that lesson the
hard way (although I'm talking more mental health than physical) - but
in the end, what counts is that you're sane, you're on the improve, and
you have people who care around you.
That employer is definitely worth keeping.
Good luck.
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Mike Andrews
> I'm glad to say that I'm Recovered, just not the sort we're used to talking
> about here.
> Short timeline: (well, it ended up being not so short..)
> Tuesday, 1/9: Wake up with scratchy throat. Otherwise feel fine.
> Wednesday, 1/10: Went to "neighborhood clinic" doc. He gives me a Z-Pac
> antibiotic to stave off an upper respiratory infection.
[elided: much agony]
> Friday, 1/19: Around 11am, they determine that yes, I'm well enough to be
> sent home. Due to paperwork, the local Walgreens pharmacy messing
> up my prescriptions, etc, I finally make it out of there around
> 7pm. I'm sent home with a home-breathing-treatment machine (a
> nebulizer), two oxygen bottles (replaced that evening with an
> oxygen concentrator), and tons of medicine.
> Final diagnosis: Sinus infection, triggered bad asthma attack, and
> hypertension.
> I spent from Saturday 1/20 to Tuesday 1/22 in bed, catching up with email
> and get-well wishes on the MacBook. I hand off (*cough* fired *cough*) a
> large (stress-inducing) consulting client [1] to a trusted friend, and
> otherwise try to relax. On Wednesday I finally graduate to being able to
> sit at the dining room table and work with the laptop, and start walking
> around the house to build my strength back up.
> I finally went back to work on Monday the 29th. I'm grateful that I have
> an employer that told $WIFE when she called to tell them I was in the
> hospital, "tell him to get well, don't worry about the office" - and they
> meant it.
> I'm still on supplemental oxygen at night with my CPAP machine, and have
> to take daily Advair, Singulair, and 2x-daily breathing treatments for my
> asthma, but I'm breathing better now than I did before I went into the
> hospital.
> It's amazing how quickly you can go from "just having the sniffles" to
> "barely able to get from the bed to the toilet". I have nothing but
> good things to say about the amazing staff at St. Luke's (especially the
> ICU staff) - everyone there was wonderful, and just in general very good,
> very nice people.
> I'm glad to be alive, and I'm glad to have a good wife that waited on me
> hand and foot for a few days when I came home. I got to miss all the
> nasty cold weather we had that week here in Houston, though.
> Bill
> [0] My mother called that night to talk to me, and the nurse misunderstood
> who she was asking for. "Oh, he's in chemotherapy..." "WHAT?"
> [1] A high-stress project in late December contributed to me being so
> worn out and getting sick in the first place - $WIFE laid into him on
> the phone while I was in ICU, explaining that I would most likely not
> be involved with said project anymore, and that NO amount of money was
> worth sacrificing my health for.
Bill! Cut that sh*t _out_, damn it!
I'm appalled at how bad things got and how quickly they did so; something
very like that put my father in his coffin -- at age 84 and a few months,
mind you, but still it's nothing to fsck with.
Your wife is right, and she's both a jewel and a keeper. But you've most
likely figured that out already.
Hire someone to deal with the bills; don't fsck with them yourself. It
is bad enough to have to _pay_ them, even after the insurance handles the
really nasty load, but you really shouldn't have to sit and double-check
the invoices against your chart and what you remember being done. Someone
else can do that, and ask you questions as required. It's worth the bux.
Take it _damn_ easy for a while, eh? Play lots of guitar, read, listen to
the radio.
Oh, and my-brother-the-assh^Wdoctor has nothing but good to say about St.
Luke's.
--
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Garrett Wollman
Bill Bradford <mrb...@mrbill.net> wrote:
> Also, two words I never want to have to hear again: "Foley
> Catheter".
[...]
> (having four women standing around looking at your private
> bits trying to figure out how to insert things into it, will
> do that to you. They ended up having to call someone from
> urology to do it).
I am so, *so* very extremely glad that the only two times I've had
this done to me, I was already under general anesthesia.
Unfortunately, even heavy doses of opioids do not make the removal
experience any more pleasant.
-GAWollman
(five more weeks until I can think about walking again)
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of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness
Niklas Karlsson
[catheter removal]
> I am so, *so* very extremely glad that the only two times I've had
> this done to me, I was already under general anesthesia.
> Unfortunately, even heavy doses of opioids do not make the removal
> experience any more pleasant.
>
> -GAWollman
> (five more weeks until I can think about walking again)
Methinks you need gentler nurses...
*ducks and runs*
Niklas
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> In article <slrnesf8rc...@ohno.mrbill.net>,
> Bill Bradford <mrb...@mrbill.net> wrote:
>> Also, two words I never want to have to hear again: "Foley
>> Catheter".
> [...]
> Unfortunately, even heavy doses of opioids do not make the removal
> experience any more pleasant.
>
> -GAWollman
> (five more weeks until I can think about walking again)
Damn. Is it that bad?!
--
TimC
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officially entered the category of lightweight utilities." -- kalifa on /.
mrob...@worldnet.att.net
> I'm glad to say that I'm Recovered, just not the sort we're used to
> talking about here.
Good to hear you're not dead and stuff.
> Sunday afternoon/evening, 1/14: Lots of wires hooked up to me - there's a
> 19" LCD displaying nothing but my vital signs. Hey! MRTG-mrbill!
Yeah, but a BSOD takes on a rather more ominous tone...
The last time I was in the hospital, they had an automated sphy^Wsyhp^W
blood pressure measuring thingy hooked up to me. It had a peba job that
ran every 5 or 10 minutes. I looked at the screen and noticed that 1) it
displayed the last few readings with timestamps and 2) the clock was way
off. I started poking around, got into setup, fixed the clock, but then
couldn't figure out how to get out of setup. The button marked "stat"
didn't do it, but did cause it to start taking readings as fast as it
could, which was a little disconcerting. I finally got it back on the
peba job and everything was OK.
Then I had to reroute my IV tube so it wouldn't kink and set off the flow
alarm on the IV pump. I was still half loopy on the drugs they gave me,
but I was fixing the machines anyway.
Matt Roberds
Mike Andrews
> Bill Bradford <mrb...@mrbill.net> wrote:
>> I'm glad to say that I'm Recovered, just not the sort we're used to
>> talking about here.
> Good to hear you're not dead and stuff.
>> Sunday afternoon/evening, 1/14: Lots of wires hooked up to me - there's a
>> 19" LCD displaying nothing but my vital signs. Hey! MRTG-mrbill!
> Yeah, but a BSOD takes on a rather more ominous tone...
I'm wondering where the MIB is documented, actually.
> The last time I was in the hospital, they had an automated sphy^Wsyhp^W
> blood pressure measuring thingy hooked up to me. It had a peba job that
> ran every 5 or 10 minutes. I looked at the screen and noticed that 1) it
> displayed the last few readings with timestamps and 2) the clock was way
> off. I started poking around, got into setup, fixed the clock, but then
> couldn't figure out how to get out of setup. The button marked "stat"
> didn't do it, but did cause it to start taking readings as fast as it
> could, which was a little disconcerting. I finally got it back on the
> peba job and everything was OK.
"
It was then I realized how dire my medical situation was. Here I was,
a network admin, unable to leave, and here was someone with a broken
network. And they didn't ask me to fix it. They didn't even try to
casually pry a hint out of me. -- Ryan Tucker , in the Monastery
"
> Then I had to reroute my IV tube so it wouldn't kink and set off the flow
> alarm on the IV pump. I was still half loopy on the drugs they gave me,
> but I was fixing the machines anyway.
I genuinely think we're _built_ that way. See "the Knack".
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Your selection stopped one short.
Tebrgwrs,
Maarten Wiltink
Mike Andrews
> Tebrgwrs,
> Maarten Wiltink
Fixed. TYVM.
WTF _is_ "Tebrgwrs", anyway?
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I hear some people have a fetish for catheters.
> *ducks and runs*
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Mike Andrews
> In article <slrnesf8rc...@ohno.mrbill.net>,
> Bill Bradford <mrb...@mrbill.net> wrote:
>> Also, two words I never want to have to hear again: "Foley
>> Catheter".
> [...]
>> (having four women standing around looking at your private
>> bits trying to figure out how to insert things into it, will
>> do that to you. They ended up having to call someone from
>> urology to do it).
> I am so, *so* very extremely glad that the only two times I've had
> this done to me, I was already under general anesthesia.
> Unfortunately, even heavy doses of opioids do not make the removal
> experience any more pleasant.
Amen.
Now consider having a cystoscope threaded up the urethra, and then far
enough into a ureter to pull out a stent left there during surgery. It
was ... well, "interesting" is far too mild a word. The ureter _does_
have sensory nerves, and the sensation of that 6-inch-long rubber tube
coming out of the ureter is like nothing else I've ever experienced.
The sensation of the cystoscope going in and coming out again was most
decidedly unpleasant, despite considerable topical anesthesia, and
I was disgusted to find myself "voiding" 4" long, soft, cylindrical
blood clots for about a week as the rips in the urethra and ureter
healed.
> -GAWollman
> (five more weeks until I can think about walking again)
That'll be mid-March or so, right? By then it should mostly have
stopped snowing, and the footing will be improving. MHO is that it's
just as well that you're having to wait til then, as I'm concerned
over what will happen if you reinjure that area.
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be an add-on, not essential.
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Brian Kantor
>
>Now consider having a cystoscope threaded up the urethra, and then far
>enough into a ureter to pull out a stent left there during surgery.
Been there, done that, glad of the lidocaine, but this was after
sitting in the waiting room for FOUR HOURS while the pain meds wore
off, attended by a nurse whose previous job, I'm convinced, was as
a prison guard.
- Brian
Maarten Wiltink
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:22:08 +0100, Maarten Wiltink
<maa...@kittensandcats.net> wrote in
<45c8ab31$0$322$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl>:
>> "Mike Andrews" <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote in message
>> news:eqa2sd$9jn$3...@puck.litech.org...
>>> --
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>>> -- Crgre Pbeyrgt
>>
>> Your selection stopped one short.
>>
>> Tebrgwrs,
>> Maarten Wiltink
>
> Fixed. TYVM.
>
> WTF _is_ "Tebrgwrs", anyway?
It's the translation into either Klingon or Welsh (opinions
vary, as they are wont to do) of my usual signoff, which was
found 'way too fucking friendly' by Rik Steenwinkel IIRC, who
could actually read it in the original Dutch.
Note that for purposes of spelling corerection[0], the last
letter was left untranslated in the above message.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
[0] I had to make a conscious typo last time. Where's this kind
of inspiration when you need it?
Jay Chandler
<mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>
>
>I genuinely think we're _built_ that way. See "the Knack".
The Googles fail me...
Little help?
--
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Hubris is when you really do have it, enough so only the gods slap you
down. Pretentiousness is when you don't have it, and everyone slaps
you down. Arrogance is somewhere in between.
- Thorfinn
Mike Andrews
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:21:01 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Andrews"
> <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I genuinely think we're _built_ that way. See "the Knack".
> The Googles fail me...
> Little help?
.wmv file making the rounds.
Synopsis:
Little Dilbert, age 12-or-so (deliberately left unclear in the file)
is taken to the doctor by his mother, who has noticed his uncanny
ability to understand, construct, dismantle, and adapt electronic and
mechanical devices.
The doctor mumbles something about how he'd take an EEG, except that
the EEG machine is down. As he says this, Dilbert goes to the EEG box,
opens it, finds connects two cables that were pulled apart, and the
box comes to perfect life.
The doctor says it's worse than he'd thought, and that Dilbert has
"the Knack". Mom asks what this, and the doctor replies that it's a
rare condition in which the patient displays an uncanny understanding
of hardware and a an equally uncanny ability to make it perform. Mom
sobs, asks in a grief-stricken voice if he'll be able to lead a normal
life, and the doctor replies "No; he'll grow up to be an engineer."
I need to put it up on my website. I've got the whole .wmv; the .wav
os out there and googlable; it's linked form
<http://www-lmmb.ncifcrf.gov/~toms/theknack.html>, too.
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Bogdan Iamandei
> Bill Bradford <mrb...@mrbill.net> wrote:
>> Also, two words I never want to have to hear again: "Foley
>> Catheter".
> [...]
>> (having four women standing around looking at your private
>> bits trying to figure out how to insert things into it, will
>> do that to you. They ended up having to call someone from
>> urology to do it).
>
> I am so, *so* very extremely glad that the only two times I've had
> this done to me, I was already under general anesthesia.
> Unfortunately, even heavy doses of opioids do not make the removal
> experience any more pleasant.
By any chance was that nurse's name "Bobbitt"?
Ino!~
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off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark
near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.
Bogdan Iamandei
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:08:13 GMT, mrob...@worldnet.att.net <mrob...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Bill Bradford <mrb...@mrbill.net> wrote:
>>> Sunday afternoon/evening, 1/14: Lots of wires hooked up to me - there's a
>>> 19" LCD displaying nothing but my vital signs. Hey! MRTG-mrbill!
>> Yeah, but a BSOD takes on a rather more ominous tone...
>
> desktop and a 20" widescreen LCD mounted in a bracket with a fold-down
> keyboard? For FOUR DAYS I got to stare at the "Windows XP" screensaver.
Actually, that windows box has the role of the canary in the mine. When
the one with the scythe comes around, the windows box will be the first
to cop it. Well, it's either the canary role or the "snack-on-the-road"
role. I can't quite make up my mind on that one.
Robert Sneddon
<mrb...@mrbill.net> writes
>Yes, awesome folks. I'm going to send them a card and a fruit basket or
>something like that, that all the shifts can get something from for a
>few days.
Chocolate. Nurses have a *thing* about chocolate (the sugar and
caffeine helps if they're under the hammer on shift). An ICU cardio
nurse of my acquaintance always carried an emergency bar of Green and
Black's to work with her in her pack. You knew she'd had a bad day when
she came home and restocked her backpack from the box in the larder
first thing.
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Seth Breidbart
Shalom Septimus <drug...@pobox.c0m> wrote:
>Happened to me recently, when my wife was in the hospital and I
>overnighted with her. They had to send someone from Engineering up to
>the floor to check that the ground was continuous, and G_d only knows
>what else. In the end, he said everything was OK except for the plug.
>What's wrong with the plug? It doesn't have a green dot on it. So now
>my machine has this enormous plastic excrescence, complete with green
>dot, at the end of the wire, rather than the nice molded plug it came
>with (hope that didn't void the warranty, such as it is). It also has
>a $HOSPITAL inventory sticker. *Que*? "Well, they would get annoyed
>with us if they found out just how many customer-owned appliances
>we've been certifying, so we give them inventory tags so we can write
>it up as internal use."
$GC's CPAP has a standard IEEE power cord; if a hospital wanted to
substitute theirs, with huge excrescence, green dot and inventory
sticker, nobody who mattered would care.
Seth
Garrett Wollman
Bill Bradford <mrb...@mrbill.net> wrote:
>Actually, it's not bad at all. I've got BC/BS for my insurance, and we've
>already paid the deductible and some of the balance. We may end up owing
>them another $1K total or so. I figure $2-2.5K out of our pocket is not
>bad considering that the whole stay was around $30K "list price".
I am on a Blue Cross-administered, employer-funded[1] network HMO. I
have no idea how much my recent hospitalization cost, but I paid $25
out-of-pocket (and that only because I got to the hospital after
surgery hours so I didn't get admitted the first night). My
appendicitis (coming up on five years ago) was similar. They just
make the bills vanish, and I'm OK with that. (Having to wait for an
hour while the orthopedic office argued with them on the phone about
the medical necessity of a CT scan is a small price to pay.)
They only rarely seem to send me those EOB (explanation of benefits)
forms that they are theoretically supposed to after every event, so I
have no idea how much they're screwing the orthopedist for, either.
We have other health-plan options[2] but they are all employer-funded.
-GAWollman
[1] I'm trying to remember the right word for this and failing. The
idea is that the employer bears all the financial risk and pays the
plan a fixed administration fee. They can then turn around and get
coverage for extraordinary risks; theoretically, if the risk pool is
big enough, this is cheaper than just buying regular group insurance.
This only makes sense to me if the employer has a much lower
cost-of-capital than the insurer does.
[2] Two in-house plans (one traditional HMO, one POS), three
BC/BS-administered plans (my network HMO, one POS, and another POS
for out-of-state residents), and Tufts Health Plan-administered HMO.
My plan is the cheapest in even years; the in-house HMO is in odd
years. Would that I not have to think about any of this!
--
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wol...@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry
Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape
of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness
Niklas Karlsson
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:07:58 +1100, Lionel wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:26:32 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Andrews"
>> <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>>>WTF _is_ "Tebrgwrs", anyway?
>>
>>
>> (Well, if /my/ native language was relatively obscure in here, that's
>> the sort of thing I'd use as my salutation.)
>
> "Tuchayla!" doesn't have the same... well, you can use that if you want.
And "Din mamma/mor är en hamster" isn't really opaque enough, is it?
Niklas
Robert Uhl
>
>>And "Din mamma/mor är en hamster" isn't really opaque enough, is it?
>
s/mamma\/mor/sister/ ?
--
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rather of that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force
or fraud, in carrying elections. --Lord Acton
Michel Buijsman
> (Tebrgwrf, actually)
> Either way around, it's got that "g" sound that requires a throat
> that came from somewhere north of the Zuider Zee[0].
Yes. The one that makes cursing in Dutch so very effective,
completely independent of whether the recipient speaks the
language at all...
--
Michel Buijsman
"Waking up this morning was a pointless act of masochism" -- Girl
Michel Buijsman
> "Oh, we need to contact the hospital and have them FAX us some info so
> that we know this is a valid doctor's prescription... they're not in
> our files..." etc.. then they gave my wife a hard time about *her* picking
> up the prescriptions instead of me. She whipped out the "He's out in the
> car, having a hard time breathing. If you want, I'll have him come in,
> and when he passes out on your floor I'll be sure and contact my lawyer"
> or something. That pretty much ended any resistance.
Hmm, my experience a few years back went the other way.
My asthma's worn off over the years to the point where I don't
need any meds at all, but every couple of years it comes back
to bug me for a bit.
Last time I went to see the on-call doc[0][1] who took one look
at me heaving myself into her office and asked me if I knew what
I needed. So I rattled off the standard meds I've had since the
dawn of time[2], and she prescribed exactly that with no further
faffing about. Out the door in under a minute.
Then on to the pharmacy[3], where I got told that they didn't make
those anymore. Well, shit. Now what? Oh, we'll just give you the
new version then, basically the same old stuff but a slightly
different dosage and in new and improved packaging.[4]
No bitching about first having to run it past the doc again...[5]
[0] This always happens during the weekend, somehow.
[1] Which took some doing, too. I live alone, and had to go there
by motorcycle. Getting the gear on took a while, but getting
the (cold) bike kickstarted was a real pain.
[2] Ventolin Rotacaps 400. Lovely stuff.
[3] The one pharmacy that was open on sunday, conveniently located
right on the other side of town from the one doc on duty.
[4] Which, ofcourse, sucked. The old inhaler came in a box with
8 slots to put loose capsules in. The new-and-improved one
has a disk with 8 charges on it, which seems nice at first
because it's less fiddly, but then you start to use it and
it quickly becomes clear that you end up with a _lot_ of
half-spent disks if you want to keep a full 8 shots in your
pocket at all times.
[5] Which was nice of them, because by that time I really wasn't
sure about my ability to get that bike kicked over once more.
David Cameron Staples
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:37:22 +0000 (UTC), Anthony de Boer - USEnet wrote:
>> (Tebrgwrf, actually)
>
>> Either way around, it's got that "g" sound that requires a throat
>> that came from somewhere north of the Zuider Zee[0].
>
> Yes. The one that makes cursing in Dutch so very effective,
> completely independent of whether the recipient speaks the
> language at all...
>
I have Russian neighbors over the back fence. I have never met them, but
when I'm taking the rubbish out at night, I often hear them talking to
each other.
Now, for all I know, they're discussing Tolstoy and declaring their love
for each other, but it *sounds* like every sentence is a new and different
declaration of war.
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Jasper Janssen
>Actually, it's not bad at all. I've got BC/BS for my insurance, and we've
>already paid the deductible and some of the balance. We may end up owing
>them another $1K total or so. I figure $2-2.5K out of our pocket is not
>bad considering that the whole stay was around $30K "list price".
*boggle*.. you get inducted in the emergency room for treatment certified
by a doctor as necessary Right The Fuck Now and you still have to pay a
couple of grand? It'd blow my 150-per-year 'no claim bonus' slash own-risk
straight off, obviously, but after that everything's free. You don't get
to choose that you want a private room any more, though. As far as I can
gather hospitals here have simply stopped offering that service a while
back, even when there were still people with insurance that would pay for
it. Oh, and phone and tv services are extra.
Jasper
Jasper Janssen
<mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>I genuinely think we're _built_ that way. See "the Knack".
Back when I was 12 or so, my school had coathooks in the hallway that were
little hooks that slid on semi-tubular rails, held in place by a setscrew.
I nearly got in trouble once when the caretaker caught me fastening some
of those screws, since he thought that I must have been the guy who was
loosening them all in the first place. That's about the earliest instance
of such a thing I can date, but the untrained eye can be very bad at
determining whether you're causing problems or fixing them, and there have
been other times.
Jasper
Martin
>
> That sounds like Hong Kong (or Sydney, Australia or any other
> Cantonese speaking city on the planet) pretty much in its
> entirety!
Ah, Chatswood! Go two blocks east of BorgField and you can eat lunch in a
room where en-Au is not uttered.
cheers
Marty
stevo
> in Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:53:44 +0100, Michel Buijsman in hic locum scripsit:
>
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:37:22 +0000 (UTC), Anthony de Boer - USEnet wrote:
>>> (Tebrgwrf, actually)
>>
>>> Either way around, it's got that "g" sound that requires a throat
>>> that came from somewhere north of the Zuider Zee[0].
>>
>> Yes. The one that makes cursing in Dutch so very effective,
>> completely independent of whether the recipient speaks the
>> language at all...
>>
>
> I have Russian neighbors over the back fence. I have never met them, but
> when I'm taking the rubbish out at night, I often hear them talking to
> each other.
>
> Now, for all I know, they're discussing Tolstoy and declaring their love
> for each other, but it *sounds* like every sentence is a new and different
> declaration of war.
>
Like the old joke about how it takes 15 sentences to say "I love you" in
German, but you can invade another country with 5 words[1].
[1] "Hans! You, me, Poland. Yah?"
--
Stevo st...@madcelt.org
"an obstinate heretic in the despite of beauty"
Paul Colquhoun
There are places *IN* westfield (I assume that's who you meant) where EN
is rare. OTOH, the food is good. Yum Cha for lunch, just a lucky dip as
to what you are actually eating.
--
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Dave Vandervies
stevo <st...@madcelt.org> wrote:
>Like the old joke about how it takes 15 sentences to say "I love you" in
>German, but you can invade another country with 5 words[1].
>
>[1] "Hans! You, me, Poland. Yah?"
In the version I heard, it was 3: "Hans, Poland, ja?"
<googlegoogle>
--------
German--The German word for "hello" is "Echsteinlefahrtengruber." The
German translation for "Hey Hans, what say tomorrow morning we climb
into our tanks and roll over Poland?" is "Hans, Poland, ja?"
--------
dave
--
Dave Vandervies dj3v...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Sheesh! Everyone here takes everything so literally, you'd think they
worked with computers all day or something...
--Matt Roberds in the scary devil monastery
Martin
>
> There are places *IN* westfield (I assume that's who you meant)
That's the one. Taking over a shopping centre near you!
> where EN is rare.
The best eat was in Bertram St (IIRC) but I had to rely on the guy I was
doing some work for to order as the menu had no en-Au either.
> OTOH, the food is good. Yum Cha for lunch, just a lucky dip as to what you
> are actually eating.
I gave up asking after what I was told scared me.
cheers
Marty
David Gersic
> On 06 Feb 2007 20:03:42 GMT, Bill Bradford <mrb...@mrbill.net> wrote:
>
>>Actually, it's not bad at all. I've got BC/BS for my insurance, and we've
>>already paid the deductible and some of the balance. We may end up owing
>>them another $1K total or so. I figure $2-2.5K out of our pocket is not
>>bad considering that the whole stay was around $30K "list price".
>
> *boggle*.. you get inducted in the emergency room for treatment certified
> by a doctor as necessary Right The Fuck Now and you still have to pay a
> couple of grand?
One of the features of the US "health care system" is that you are entitled
to the best care you can pay for. How you pay for it is your problem. With
traditional insurance plans, if you're admitted, you're looking at about
$2K (your cost) in bills, and the insurance company pays out the rest at
whatever rate it can negotiate. There are other plans that pay differently,
with different restrictions on when, where, and how you can receive care.
All health care plans suck.
Joe Zeff
<usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com> wrote:
>All health care plans suck.
Except mine. I have VA benefits for the rest of my life. As long as
I'm recovered, I'm not even charged a co-pay. Five long-term
prescriptions, blood glucose test strips and lancets, a new pair of
glasses each year if needed and now a hearing aid. No charge. Tell
me how that sucks. Of course, you might consider the three years of
time in the Navy including seven months in Tonkin Gulf back in '72 a
rather high premium, but I have no complaint.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
Every silver lining has a great big dark black cloud.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Zebee Johnstone
Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
> me how that sucks. Of course, you might consider the three years of
> time in the Navy including seven months in Tonkin Gulf back in '72 a
> rather high premium, but I have no complaint.
Well.. joining the armed forces to get health care is about as risky
as joining them to get your education paid for.
Works in peace time, and probably these days if you are in the navy
given the relative chances of getting crippled. I think you'd need
more motivation to be a squaddie though.
Zebee
Steve VanDevender
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 08:51:59 -0800, Steve VanDevender
> <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>
>>Niklas Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> writes:
> [medical stuff]
>>I hear some people have a fetish for catheters.
>>
>>> *ducks and runs*
> Now /that/ is a nasty pair of symptoms. Having a case of the runs is
> common enough,
Well, Eugene does have a number of cheap'n'nasty restaurants[1] that
cater to the large student population.
> but how the hell do you get infested with ducks?
Look up the animal mascot of the University of Oregon. "Infested with
ducks" describes the place quite well.
> <runs like hell>
Yeah, you'll get those from the cheaper Thai places around here,
especially if you order extra hot.
[1] One of my long-time favorites closed with little prior warning
during the term break[2]. Based on my experiences with the proprietress
I had given the joint an unofficial slogan: "Hana's[3]: It's like having
a Korean mother." I'm going to miss her cranky personality. And the
weekly Spicy Chicken special.
[2] Guess what's replacing it? A Thai place. It's apparently a branch
of one of the spendier Thai places in town; I'm guessing they gave the
owner of Hana's an offer she couldn't refuse to take over her space.
[3] The place was actually named after her daughter.
--
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Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
Mike Andrews
Yes, in spades, but some suck worse than others.
Of the folks living here because otherwise they'd be homeless, dad has a
genetic disease of some sort -- name something like "Factor C deficiency".
It makes him prone to seizures, heart attacks, and strokes. He's had two
strokes here that I know of, and multiple seizures, and when he was feeling
really ratty Sunday afternoon and we took him to the hospital, he had a
heart attack about 15 minutes after we got him there.
He needs 8 meds to counteract all the problems he has; they keep him from
having seizures and strokes and heart attacks. Medicaid pays for six. As
a result, he has to juggle his meds each month and decide which six of the
eight he's going to buy. Sometimes he guesses wrong and has a stroke or a
heart attack because of that bad guess. Sometimes he "only" has a seizure.
If he took all 8, he'd be pretty damn healthy, but he can't afford to pay
for the _cheapest_ two not covered by Medicaid, nor can we: they're pricey.
So every month he rolls the dice, not knowing whether he'll die, from heart
attack or stroke, as a result.
Yeah, all health care plans suck, but some suck *LOTS* worse than others.
--
Q: What hardware platform does Oracle perform best on?
A: A 35mm slide projector.
- Charlie Gibbs in alt.folklore.computers
Dave
> > OTOH, the food is good. Yum Cha for lunch, just a lucky dip as to what you
> > are actually eating.
>
> I gave up asking after what I was told scared me.
I've heard of restaruants like that; where you try making animal
impressions to order food, but get worried when the waiters eyes only
light up when you do an elephant impression for a laugh.
Dave
--
millibrachiate tentacular coelenterates
Peter Corlett
[...]
> So when you bypass the pre-programmed limits on Morphine-dosage and spend
> the next eighteen hours fighting off hordes of attacking intergalactic
> scrotum-weevils using only a teaspoon and a well-thumbed library of
> O'Reilly texts [...]
Come work where I do and you won't need the morphine. You'll *want* it,
mind.
Joe Zeff
>Well.. joining the armed forces to get health care is about as risky
>as joining them to get your education paid for.
That's not why I joined. I got my draft notice and decided I'd rather
be Navy than Army.
I'm also enjoying the schadenfreude I feel when I hear all the draft
resistors complaining about how they can't afford health-insurance.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
Trouble doesn't approach me, I'm the trouble that is approached.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Stig M. Valstad
>On 8 Feb 2007 07:36:50 GMT, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Well.. joining the armed forces to get health care is about as risky
>>as joining them to get your education paid for.
>
>That's not why I joined. I got my draft notice and decided I'd rather
>be Navy than Army.
A reasonable choice, but I guess most didn't get to choose,
or there would have been damn few left in the army.
>I'm also enjoying the schadenfreude I feel when I hear all the draft
>resistors complaining about how they can't afford health-insurance.
It might be because I'm a pinko liberal, but I don't really
think that willingness to kill people should be the main
criterium on whether one should get proper health care in
a well-adjusted society. Especially since I've never seen
any justification for the Vietnam war.
--
Stig M. Valstad
"We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't believe in
tolerance and free speech," - David Brin
Zebee Johnstone
Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
> On 8 Feb 2007 07:36:50 GMT, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Well.. joining the armed forces to get health care is about as risky
>>as joining them to get your education paid for.
>
> That's not why I joined. I got my draft notice and decided I'd rather
> be Navy than Army.
Oh I knew that. just pointed out that anyone would need more
incentive at the moment.
But that many apparently thought it was a good way to get benefits
until there was a risk of being shot at.
Zebee
Brian Kantor
>
>It might be because I'm a pinko liberal, but I don't really
>think that willingness to kill people should be the main
>criterium on whether one should get proper health care in
>a well-adjusted society.
I would ask Joe where do those of us who got our draft notice and
weren't accepted fit in this scheme?
>Especially since I've never seen
>any justification for the Vietnam war.
Nor have I, any that were valid. That doesn't diminish in any
way the valor of the men and women who fought there. It's a
damning indictment of the politicians who sent them, though.
<invokes Jorge Santayana>
- Brian
Joe Zeff
(Stig M. Valstad) wrote:
>A reasonable choice, but I guess most didn't get to choose,
>or there would have been damn few left in the army.
They could have done what I did: I went down to my local Navy
recruiter and told him that I had my draft notice but wanted to join
the Navy instead of going into the army. He took care of everything,
and I went to Navy Boot Camp instead of Army Basic Training.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
But is it really useful for the city council to survive while the rest of
the population is a glowing cloud drifting away in the 500MPH breeze?
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Joe Zeff
Kantor) wrote:
>I would ask Joe where do those of us who got our draft notice and
>weren't accepted fit in this scheme?
You have my sympathy. One of my best friends was turned down when he
tried to join the Navy because of "back problems" that no other doctor
ever confirmed. The ones I'm talking about are the ones feeling the
hard, cruel bite of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
The Tree of Liberty is THIRSTY!
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
David Cameron Staples
> "Tovarisch" would have been it pre-WWII, maybe. Starting from about
> 1970's you'd just as likely get "tambovskiy volk tebe tovarisch" in
> return ("a hungry wolf is your mate"). Nowadays it's either DWS or
> you're dealing with people who really want the good old days back.
You might know this one: I've just read the recently released English
translation of (I think the transliteration's right) Dnevnoi Dozhor, aka
Day Watch. There is a big chunk where this guy is welcomed into the Day
Watch offices, and a lot of people greet him semi-formally as 'colleague'.
("Come this way, here is your apartment, colleague.") Is this an alternate
translation of 'tovarisch'? Because it made it 1) more 'russian', and 2)
more in keeping with the sort of organisation and the people in it that
they would continue using tovarisch as formal address. And given the
characters in the Day Watch, the proverb about hungry wolves also applies...
You obviously speak Russian, so I thought there is a slim chance that
you've read the works of Sergei Lukyanenko in the original.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT cs DOT mu DOT oz DOT au
Melbourne University | Computer Science | Technical Services
if you renamed "humans" as "Terrans"; "aliens" as "Zerg"; and "Predators"
as "Protoss", the new Aliens vs. Predator movie would totally be a movie
adaptation of StarCraft. -- bash.org/?384495
Jasper Janssen
Wollman) wrote:
>[1] I'm trying to remember the right word for this and failing. The
>idea is that the employer bears all the financial risk and pays the
>plan a fixed administration fee. They can then turn around and get
>coverage for extraordinary risks; theoretically, if the risk pool is
>big enough, this is cheaper than just buying regular group insurance.
>This only makes sense to me if the employer has a much lower
>cost-of-capital than the insurer does.
The employer doesn't need to make a hefty profit on it, though.
Jasper
Jasper Janssen
Boer - USEnet) wrote:
>Either way around, it's got that "g" sound that requires a throat
>that came from somewhere north of the Zuider Zee[0].
>
>[0] it was still salty when my ancestors left.
But at that point wasn't it still called the Zuyderzee?
Jasper
Kevin
<the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:16:34 +0000 (UTC), David Gersic
><usenet_s...@zaccaria-pinball.com> wrote:
>>All health care plans suck.
>Except mine. I have VA benefits for the rest of my life. As long as
>I'm recovered, I'm not even charged a co-pay. Five long-term
>prescriptions, blood glucose test strips and lancets, a new pair of
>glasses each year if needed and now a hearing aid. No charge. Tell
>me how that sucks. Of course, you might consider the three years of
>time in the Navy including seven months in Tonkin Gulf back in '72 a
>rather high premium, but I have no complaint.
I've heard there can be months-long waiting lists for some surgeries and
treatments at VA hospitals, such as hernia operations or hip replacements.
Kevin
Kevin
<the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:21:17 +0000 (UTC), br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian
>Kantor) wrote:
>>I would ask Joe where do those of us who got our draft notice and
>>weren't accepted fit in this scheme?
>You have my sympathy. One of my best friends was turned down when he
>tried to join the Navy because of "back problems" that no other doctor
>ever confirmed. The ones I'm talking about are the ones feeling the
>hard, cruel bite of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
"Unintended Consequences", by John Ross, Accurate Press, is a very good
novel.
Kevin
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> On 8 Feb 2007 07:36:50 GMT, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Well.. joining the armed forces to get health care is about as risky
>>as joining them to get your education paid for.
>
> That's not why I joined. I got my draft notice and decided I'd rather
> be Navy than Army.
>
> I'm also enjoying the schadenfreude I feel when I hear all the draft
> resistors complaining about how they can't afford health-insurance.
Because you know, the Vietnam war was an inherently good thing, and
anyone who resisted fighting on the grounds that it was a completely
unjustified poorly thought out war (seems oddly familiar), is a commo
pinko gay hippy who deserves to die.
--
TimC
I hate mornings. I know they hate me back, too. -- Joel Gluth
Stig M. Valstad
>Stig M. Valstad posted thus:
>>It might be because I'm a pinko liberal, but I don't really
>>think that willingness to kill people should be the main
>>criterium on whether one should get proper health care in
>>a well-adjusted society. Especially since I've never seen
>>any justification for the Vietnam war.
>
>whether they're going to war or with whom. Especially given that there
>was a draft, and serious penalties for those who refused the call,
>you're out of line singling out those who served during that time.
I'm not singling out those who served. I'm objecting to singling
out those who, despite the serious penalties, were conscientious
objectors.
>I do believe that it's the politicians who have to be held responsible
>for the policies they chose, not the professional military, and certainly
>not the 18-year-old draftee caught in the middle.
I agree with all that, but, even if others are to blame, I don't
think it is more noble to fight an unjust war than to oppose it.
--
Stig M. Valstad
The world would be a much better place is people only used guns
on themselves -- JtHM
Peter Corlett
[...]
> I've heard there can be months-long waiting lists for some surgeries and
> treatments at VA hospitals, such as hernia operations or hip replacements.
I suspect that's still an improvement on the NHS.
Mike Looney
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 04:36:37 +0000 (UTC), ab...@leftmind.net (Anthony
> de Boer - USEnet) wrote:
>
>>who survived being used as instruments of national policy, and in fact
>>I believe that it's the rest of the country's duty to support their
>>military and veterans.
>
> Thank you. One of the lesser benefits is that I can probably say that
> I've fired a bigger gun[1] than anybody else in this froop.
>
> [1]Yes, I know that a gun is a crew-fired weapon.
>
I'll see your gun and raise you a Nike-Herc
Robert Sneddon
<mlo...@spellbooksoftware.com> writes
>> Thank you. One of the lesser benefits is that I can probably say that
>> I've fired a bigger gun[1] than anybody else in this froop.
>>
>> [1]Yes, I know that a gun is a crew-fired weapon.
>>
>
>I'll see your gun and raise you a Nike-Herc
WE-177 any good?
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon
Mike Andrews
> In message <slrnesosk1....@localhost.localdomain>, Mike Looney
> <mlo...@spellbooksoftware.com> writes
>>On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:27:35 GMT, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@
>>lasfs.info> wrote:
>>> Thank you. One of the lesser benefits is that I can probably say that
>>> I've fired a bigger gun[1] than anybody else in this froop.
>>>
>>> [1]Yes, I know that a gun is a crew-fired weapon.
>>>
>>
>>I'll see your gun and raise you a Nike-Herc
> WE-177 any good?
I'd have thought that the WE-177 was *your* department. I suppose it's
about as good as a B-53 or B-61.
Just had a thought -- when the folks in the US northwest talk about
buckets of Pacific sunshine, what are they _really_ talking about? Is
there a (thermo)nuclear stockpile out there In Plain Sight?
--
: Still can't fit it in 4 lines... blanks do count, you know.
So do .357 hollowpoints and .45 ball.
-- me, responding to Chris Rovers, on sigs, in the Monastery
Mike Looney
> In message <slrnesosk1....@localhost.localdomain>, Mike Looney
><mlo...@spellbooksoftware.com> writes
>>On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:27:35 GMT, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@
>>lasfs.info> wrote:
>
>>> Thank you. One of the lesser benefits is that I can probably say that
>>> I've fired a bigger gun[1] than anybody else in this froop.
>>>
>>> [1]Yes, I know that a gun is a crew-fired weapon.
>>>
>>
>>I'll see your gun and raise you a Nike-Herc
>
> WE-177 any good?
Not unless you had something to do with a "live" test.
Nike-Herc could be a nuke as well. Both of the sites
I worked on had "prime" warheads.
Joe Zeff
<mlo...@spellbooksoftware.com> wrote:
>I'll see your gun and raise you a Nike-Herc
Not bad. Alas, I never had a chance to fire a Sparrow III when I was
serving. However, I *did* get to fire that gun "five rounds, rapid
continuous," making it a far bigger "machine gun" than anybody else
here is likely to have seen, let alone used.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
Personally, when it comes to guaranteed lethality, I'll stick with
nukes.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Joe Zeff
<fr...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <slrnesosk1....@localhost.localdomain>, Mike Looney
><mlo...@spellbooksoftware.com> writes
>>On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:27:35 GMT, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@
>>lasfs.info> wrote:
>
>>> Thank you. One of the lesser benefits is that I can probably say that
>>> I've fired a bigger gun[1] than anybody else in this froop.
>>>
>>> [1]Yes, I know that a gun is a crew-fired weapon.
>>>
>>
>>I'll see your gun and raise you a Nike-Herc
>
> WE-177 any good?
I don't know. How does it compare to a 5"/54 Naval Rifle?
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
You've got to love a newsreader with a menu option
named "Kill this Author".
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Joe Zeff
(Stig M. Valstad) wrote:
>I'm not singling out those who served. I'm objecting to singling
>out those who, despite the serious penalties, were conscientious
>objectors.
I have great respect for those draft resisters who were willing to go
to prison for their beliefs and would have no objection to their being
pardoned and getting their full civil rights back. OTOH, those who
ran should be forbidden to re-enter the country forever; not just the
rest of their lives, their *bodies* can't be brought back. Those
cowards ran and AFAIC, it's good riddance to bad rubbish!
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
Or you can continue griping and being bitter,
which is often just as good as solving a problem.
Whatever works.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Joe Zeff
<tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
>Because you know, the Vietnam war was an inherently good thing, and
>anyone who resisted fighting on the grounds that it was a completely
>unjustified poorly thought out war (seems oddly familiar), is a commo
>pinko gay hippy who deserves to die.
A friend of mine is entitled to call herself a Vietnam era vet and
gets full VA benefits even though she lived the good life in Germany
instead of going to 'Nam. Only a small percentage of us actually went
there. HTH, HAND.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
One learns from errors exactly as much as from successes if not more.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Mike Andrews
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:18:28 +0000, Robert Sneddon
> <fr...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>In message <slrnesosk1....@localhost.localdomain>, Mike Looney
>><mlo...@spellbooksoftware.com> writes
>>>On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:27:35 GMT, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with.the.sideburns@
>>>lasfs.info> wrote:
>>
>>>> Thank you. One of the lesser benefits is that I can probably say that
>>>> I've fired a bigger gun[1] than anybody else in this froop.
>>>>
>>>> [1]Yes, I know that a gun is a crew-fired weapon.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'll see your gun and raise you a Nike-Herc
>>
>> WE-177 any good?
> I don't know. How does it compare to a 5"/54 Naval Rifle?
Looks like either 54kTon or .5kTon, selectable, vs. whatever a Herc
carried. Bad for the neighborhood -- which is the *idea*.
--
Lots of couples say, "We want a baby."
I never heard one say, "We want a teen-ager."
-- Ruth Moore, private communication
Joe Zeff
wrote:
>
>I've heard there can be months-long waiting lists for some surgeries and
>treatments at VA hospitals, such as hernia operations or hip replacements.
Generally, that's because service-connected issues get priority. (The
main, and original purpose of the VA is to take care of the long-term
needs of *disabled* veterans, you know.)
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
Morgan lives, and so does--Star A Star.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Zebee Johnstone
Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:18:10 +1100, TimC
><tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
>
>>Because you know, the Vietnam war was an inherently good thing, and
>>anyone who resisted fighting on the grounds that it was a completely
>>unjustified poorly thought out war (seems oddly familiar), is a commo
>>pinko gay hippy who deserves to die.
>
> A friend of mine is entitled to call herself a Vietnam era vet and
> gets full VA benefits even though she lived the good life in Germany
> instead of going to 'Nam. Only a small percentage of us actually went
> there. HTH, HAND.
not her choice to go or not though. and if it was, would that be
laudable?
And I am also unsure that "I was smart enoug to choose the Navy"
really merits crowing either.
Zebee
Mike Looney
> A friend of mine is entitled to call herself a Vietnam era vet and
> gets full VA benefits even though she lived the good life in Germany
> instead of going to 'Nam. Only a small percentage of us actually went
> there. HTH, HAND.
Dude, I'm glad you get good VA benefits. I joined a few years after
then, served 10 years, more or less, and get shit for benefits.
From roughly 1976 to 1990, you get shit.
Mike Looney
>>> WE-177 any good?
>
>> I don't know. How does it compare to a 5"/54 Naval Rifle?
>
> Looks like either 54kTon or .5kTon, selectable, vs. whatever a Herc
> carried. Bad for the neighborhood -- which is the *idea*.
>
Nike Hercules carried W31, which I knew, but had forgotten the
yield. Wiki says 2, 20 and 40 Kton, which seem close.
Joe Zeff
>And I am also unsure that "I was smart enoug to choose the Navy"
>really merits crowing either.
Oh, I don't know, not only did I serve, I served "over there." And, I
might add, I once had to report 6" shells splashing 30 yards off the
fantail as some NVA counter battery decided we were its target of the
day.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged by reality.
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Jasper Janssen
<mlo...@spellbooksoftware.com> wrote:
>Dude, I'm glad you get good VA benefits. I joined a few years after
>then, served 10 years, more or less, and get shit for benefits.
>
>From roughly 1976 to 1990, you get shit.
Are you saying that VA benefits are distinguished between combat duty[1]
versus just serving?
Jasper
[1] In, probably, the roomiest definition of the word.
Jasper Janssen
Mike Looney
> On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:10:50 +0000 (UTC), Mike Looney
><mlo...@spellbooksoftware.com> wrote:
>
>>Dude, I'm glad you get good VA benefits. I joined a few years after
>>then, served 10 years, more or less, and get shit for benefits.
>>
>>From roughly 1976 to 1990, you get shit.
>
> Are you saying that VA benefits are distinguished between combat duty[1]
> versus just serving?
>
No, I'm saying that by law, post Viet Nam Era vets and Viet Nam and before vets
are not treated the same by the VA. Post Desert Storm vets get treat yet another way
Class of 46 vets used to get the best treatment, now it's VN era ones.
Joe Zeff
wrote:
>Are you saying that VA benefits are distinguished between combat duty[1]
>versus just serving?
Not exactly. VA benefits are for serving during a time when combat is
going on, whether or not you were involved in it. My friend served in
Germany but gets the medical care because of the timing.
[1]NMF
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Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
Time, time, said old King Tut,
Is something I ain't got anything but.
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