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Pete Stephenson

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Nov 20, 2005, 9:04:24 PM11/20/05
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Today I won the bidding for a new, Shiny! LART[1].

I wonder if putting it on a tripod facing the door with a belt of linked
dummy rounds hanging off the side would keep the lusers away.

Sadly, it lacks the full-auto bits (hence why I can get it for $1,300
rather than $18,000), but it should do quite nicely as-is.

Once it arrives, I must perform a proper stress-testing period to ensure
that it would function properly against incoming hordes of zombies^w
lusers. Perhaps I shall post pictures, video, and other examples of it's
anti-luser (sadly, killing lusers remains illegal, so I will simulate
them with pieces of paper) properties.

ETA: Two weeks. Ah, my Bastardly hands are quite excited. I should
confuse the lusers by being *nice* to them until it arrives. Perhaps
they'd think it's a New, Nicer Me. But oh, how wrong they are.

[1] http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=40160387

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Mike Andrews

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Nov 20, 2005, 11:20:37 PM11/20/05
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> [1] http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=40160387

Pretty shiny, in a matte-finish-heavy-metal sort of way. Got a range with
Enough Backstop for the ammo? It's heavy metal, y'know.

And did you just get the pistol-grip, or did you get the dual-grips as
well?

This _demands_ some video. WMV or mpeg will do nicely.

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Pete Stephenson

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Nov 21, 2005, 12:06:02 AM11/21/05
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In article <dlrhul$kvf$1...@puck.litech.org>,
"Mike Andrews" <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:

> Pretty shiny, in a matte-finish-heavy-metal sort of way. Got a range with
> Enough Backstop for the ammo? It's heavy metal, y'know.

Indeed, I do. I happen to volunteer as a range safety officer[1] at a
nearby rifle range. They basically shoot into a giant dirt berm. Their
banner proclaims "Rimfire pistols, and rifles of all sizes!". For some
reason, the sheriff's office (who owns the range, though it's managed by
volunteers) prohibits centerfire pistols, but rifles from .22LR to
.50BMG and above are allowed. Go figure.

The berm'll stop anything, pretty much. .30 cal isn't anything for it.

> And did you just get the pistol-grip, or did you get the dual-grips as
> well?

Only the pistol grip. The butterfly trigger is about $250 more, and I
really don't see a need for it at this time.

> This _demands_ some video. WMV or mpeg will do nicely.

Definitely. It shall be posted shortly after I get it. Both the Pete
Looking Menacing pictures/videos, and the Pete Actually Using It
pictures/videos shall be taken.

There's a range nearby who has a "tin can" range where you can bring
metal or plastic containers filled with water and shoot them. Great
amounts of amusement ensue, as it is much more exciting than merely
poking holes in paper. Things explode, flip around, goosh water, etc.
I'm trying to imagine the fun one could have with this particular one
there.

[1] While a majority of people who come to the range are responsible,
law-abiding people possessed of at least a working amount of Clue, there
are a sizable (and rather frightening) amount of lusers who show up.
Fortunately, the sheriff has entrusted us with a great deal of leeway in
managing such situations...and there hasn't been any incidents resulting
in injury to anyone in many, many years, if ever. The folks who
volunteer there may not be quite so Bastardly, but they are Good People
who Do Not Tolerate Stupidity.

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Alan J. Wylie

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Nov 21, 2005, 2:50:42 AM11/21/05
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:06:02 -0800, Pete Stephenson <pete+...@heypete.com> said:

> While a majority of people who come to the range are responsible,
> law-abiding people possessed of at least a working amount of Clue,
> there are a sizable (and rather frightening) amount of lusers who
> show up.

Been there, done that, back in the days when I was secretary of the
university rifle club and the Shah was still ruling in Iran. Useful
phrases were "who gave you permission to touch that" and "never point
a weapon at anyone" (I left out the rest of that one - I'm sure that
it was the lusers' ultimate intention).


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Robert Sneddon

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Nov 21, 2005, 4:39:20 AM11/21/05
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In message <pete+usenet-AD80...@corp.supernews.com>, Pete
Stephenson <pete+...@heypete.com> writes

>Today I won the bidding for a new, Shiny! LART[1].
>
>I wonder if putting it on a tripod facing the door with a belt of linked
>dummy rounds hanging off the side would keep the lusers away.
>
>Sadly, it lacks the full-auto bits (hence why I can get it for $1,300
>rather than $18,000), but it should do quite nicely as-is.

Nice Toy. It looks a bit like the ones a friend kept in his garage,
only those had the go-faster bits yours lacks. They pintle-mounted on
the back of a truck for BBQ parties when a bunch of his friends would go
out into the Waste and execute old cars, refrigerators etc. with 1-in-4
tracer. Working for the local security forces[1] meant free ammo, too.

[1] Fhygnangr bs Bzna
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John Hardin

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Nov 21, 2005, 8:23:13 AM11/21/05
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Pete Stephenson sez:

> There's a range nearby who has a "tin can" range where you can bring metal
> or plastic containers filled with water and shoot them.

Do they permit Tannerite targets?

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Mike Andrews

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Nov 21, 2005, 10:13:52 AM11/21/05
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John Hardin <jha...@impsec.org> wrote:
> Pete Stephenson sez:

>> There's a range nearby who has a "tin can" range where you can bring metal
>> or plastic containers filled with water and shoot them.

> Do they permit Tannerite targets?

<google> Oh, I *SO* hope they do!

Apt to be a bit distracting to the other folks on the line, unless
they're warned. After any initial distraction, you're apt to sell
whatever you've got left in the case. That's a *GOTTA* *HAVE*.

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Matt Palmer

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Nov 21, 2005, 6:35:06 PM11/21/05
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Pete Stephenson is of the opinion:
[Range safety officers]

> The folks who volunteer there may not be quite so Bastardly, but they are
> Good People who Do Not Tolerate Stupidity.

Sounds like a good definition of a Bastard to me.

- Matt

Pete Stephenson

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Nov 21, 2005, 9:44:35 PM11/21/05
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In article <pan.2005.11.21....@impsec.org>,
John Hardin <jha...@impsec.org> wrote:

> Do they permit Tannerite targets?

Sadly, they do not. The most interactive thing they allow is
falling-plate targets for rimfire pistols/rifles and pistol-caliber
rifles only.

There is a place around here (about 45 minutes away, rather than 5
minutes away like this one) that has a "tin can" range where one can
shoot any metal or plastic objects. They can be filled with water, but
no other substances. One must, of course, pick up the remains of your
targets when done.

Mrs. Buttersworth has met a rather dramatic end at that place.

Now, I will be traveling to Arizona and Nevada early next year. When
shooting at stuff out in the desert, one can use just about anything one
wants.

As for Tannerite, see http://www.heypete.com/pete/movies/tan.wmv for an
example of the Fun Times that can be had with Tannerite. The large
fireballs at night are from BBQ propane tanks with a road flare
duct-taped to them. They react quite nicely when shot. The largest of
the Tannerite explosions required only about 1 US Gallon of Tannerite to
create that effect. Not bad at all.

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Dave Buckles

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Nov 22, 2005, 12:35:02 AM11/22/05
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Mike Andrews wrote:
> John Hardin <jha...@impsec.org> wrote:
>
>>Pete Stephenson sez:
>
>
>>>There's a range nearby who has a "tin can" range where you can bring metal
>>>or plastic containers filled with water and shoot them.
>
>
>>Do they permit Tannerite targets?
>
>
> <google> Oh, I *SO* hope they do!

What does it say about me that I didn't have to giggle it?

--Dave

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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Nov 22, 2005, 7:59:09 AM11/22/05
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In <ufek5af...@devnull.wylie.me.uk>, on 11/21/2005

at 07:50 AM, al...@wylie.me.uk (Alan J. Wylie) said:

>Been there, done that, back in the days when I was secretary of the
>university rifle club and the Shah was still ruling in Iran. Useful
>phrases were "who gave you permission to touch that" and "never point
>a weapon at anyone" (I left out the rest of that one - I'm sure that
>it was the lusers' ultimate intention).

That was one of the few good things about basic training; the BROFH
was not about to allow the trainees to injure themselves or anyone
else. Even thinking about breaking the rules would bring his attention
on you. The NCO cadre may have been crude and abusive while the range
officer was polite and soft spoken, but you really did not want his
attention in his official capacity. It's *much* harder to maintain
safety discipline when you lack the authority to drag offenders off
for a Article 15[1][2].

[1] Nonjudicial punishment. I believe that in the Navy it's called
Captains Mast. Your CO imposes a punishment[3] without having
to hold[4] a formal court martial.

[2] If he and the CO are in a good mood. If he asks the CO to
convene a court martial, or if the CO decides on his own to
hold a court martial, you're toast.

[3] Far more limited than what a court martial could impose.

[4] You do have a right to insist on a court martial if you believe
that the CO is biased. Think of it as evolution in action.

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David P. Murphy

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Nov 22, 2005, 5:27:38 PM11/22/05
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"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

> [4] You do have a right to insist on a court martial if you believe
> that the CO is biased. Think of it as evolution in action.

Surely we've all read the appropriate parts of _Starship Trooper_.

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Geoff Lane

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Nov 22, 2005, 5:36:44 PM11/22/05
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David P. Murphy <dpm_u...@myths.com> wrote:
> Surely we've all read the appropriate parts of _Starship Trooper_.

Yeh, but that was 25 years ago and the details are... vague.

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Howard S Shubs

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Nov 22, 2005, 10:51:49 PM11/22/05
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In article <43839d7c$0$38039$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
Geoff Lane <zza...@buffy.sighup.org.uk> wrote:

> Yeh, but that was 25 years ago and the details are... vague.

That's fixable.

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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

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Nov 23, 2005, 10:18:03 AM11/23/05
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In <dm060p$7tq$1...@allhats.xcski.com>, on 11/22/2005

at 10:27 PM, dpm_u...@myths.com (David P. Murphy) said:

>Surely we've all read the appropriate parts of _Starship Trooper_.

Indeed, although the typical barracks lawyer isn't treated as harshly
as the one you're alluding to. Certainly the basic mind set is the
same: "I don't understand it so it must be unfair[1]."

Sysadmin Zim, anybody?

[1] Actually, it was unfair[2]. They were trying to cut him slack that
he didn't deserve, because they though they could salvage him. He,
of course, forced their hand by confessing[3] to a more serious
crime.

[2] No, I don't agree with their position that they were at fault for
allowing him to commit the offense in the first place. You're
responsible for acting out your temper tantrums, and a man who
can't control his temper can't be trusted in combat.

[3] The fact that he didn't understand it to be a confession is
another reason for not trusting him in combat.

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John Barberio

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Nov 23, 2005, 11:04:56 AM11/23/05
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In article <20051123155341....@firedrake.org>,
ro...@nospam.firedrake.org says...
> In article <4384882b$21$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>,

> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Sysadmin Zim, anybody?
>
> And of course the _other_ Sysadmin Zim.

This implies that GIR is a PFY.

- John

Geoff Lane

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Nov 23, 2005, 1:33:44 PM11/23/05
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Howard S Shubs <how...@shubs.net> wrote:
> In article <43839d7c$0$38039$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
> Geoff Lane <zza...@buffy.sighup.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Yeh, but that was 25 years ago and the details are... vague.
>
> That's fixable.

Sadly, the books-i've-never-read pile is already at height that would turn a
health and safety nazi white.

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Steve VanDevender

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Nov 23, 2005, 2:13:23 PM11/23/05
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John Barberio <barb...@deliverator.homeip.net> writes:

GIR is about as much a PFY as Zim is a BOFH. (Darrell Fuhriman
originally explained "Invader Zim" to me as "Zim is a little green alien
trying to take over the Earth, but he's _really bad_ at it.")

Now, Tak and her SIR are much more BOFH and PFY.

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Howard S Shubs

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Nov 23, 2005, 4:54:10 PM11/23/05
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In article <4384b608$0$38040$5a6a...@news.aaisp.net.uk>,
Geoff Lane <zza...@buffy.sighup.org.uk> wrote:

> Sadly, the books-i've-never-read pile is already at height that would turn a
> health and safety nazi white.

Fix your priorities. This one is important.

David Johnson

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Nov 26, 2005, 11:30:13 PM11/26/05
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:59:09 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:

> 4] You do have a right to insist on a court martial if you believe
> that the CO is biased. Think of it as evolution in action.

On the other hand, it prevents the occasional abuse of article 15. A
Captain with 23 years time in service wanted to reduce an Airman I knew in
rank for neglecting to wear his hat in the 15 yards through the courtyard
from the breezeway to the barraks door. Airman chose a court martial,
wound up with a stiff slap on the wrist--Don't remember the details, but
the penalty was something that could have been imposed as extra duty
without even an article 15.

Mike Andrews

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Nov 26, 2005, 11:45:15 PM11/26/05
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Ah, yes. A captain with 23 years in service. If he wasn't a mustang or
demoted during a RIF, then there was a _reason_ he wasn't at least a major,
or better yet a light colonel. I keep remembering the 2-year 2LT I met as
I was outprocessing from the Air Farce. There was a _good_ reason that 2LT
Danny stayed a 2LT when promotion from 2LT to 1LT is almost automatic.
It takes a great deal of fsckup, and consumption of large quantities of
dumb-ass for breakfast, not to get promoted to 1LT after 1 year.

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