Spammers are smarter than pimps
Paul Tomko
from both types today. I'd guess that better than 50% of the pimps
that send me "We can get you work" e-mails, send them in some sort
of non-printable attachment. However, I don't think I've EVER gotten
a spam in anything other than plain text. Well, excepting the ones
where they send it in BIG5 or something equally illegible. This says
something about the intelligence of the pimps out there. i mean, it makes
sense for the spammers to send plain text, because everybody can read
plain text, and they want everybody to read their crap. But doesn't
the same hold true for pimps? Or are they just trying to meet their quota
of $emails_sent, and sending them as MIME attachments to avoid anybody
reading them and actually calling them about jobs?
Sadly, some of my friends appear to be dumber than spammers, too. But
usually after a light LART, they get $CLUE. Not like I would try to give
$CLUE to $SPAMMER, since they would most likely be e-mailing me from a
different account by the end of the day anyway.
Paul
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Rik Steenwinkel
persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the following:
} However, I don't think I've EVER gotten
} a spam in anything other than plain text.
What kind of internet backwater are you in?
First HTML-formatted spam[1] I got was summer '97.
} it makes sense for the spammers to send plain text,
} because everybody can read plain text, and they want
} everybody to read their crap.
It appears you're attributing spammers the ability to actually
distinghuish between sending plain text, and them being able to read
what they just sent. Otherwise I wouldn't be receiving spams with five
<CR><LF> pairs per line of text. Or spams that look like they had an
eight-space left indent, then gotten reflowed.
There is one messy-word attachment in my net-abuse folder, but that's
from some jerk at $PREVIOUS_ORKPLACE warning about Good Times[3].
And so far I haven't ever gotten mail from $PIMP.US, trying to recruit
me for a job somewhere over there, but I don't even want to count the
spams that would make sense[2] for someone living in .us or maybe .ca
In reverse, my complaint to abuse@$SPAMMER.DOM, abuse@$DROPBOX.DOM
and abuse@$RELAY.DOM is not hindered by geographical limits[4].
[1] and HTML-only. Not multipart/alternative, not even proper MIME
headers.
[2] for sufficiently tolerant values thereof.
[3] 2 years back. Some people are slow in catching on.
[4] being hindered instead by comprehension issues by the wetware
behind those addresses.
--
// Rik Steenwinkel # VMS mercenary # Enschede, Netherlands
Ben Coleman
> However, I don't think I've EVER gotten
>a spam in anything other than plain text.
I've gotten my share of HTML spams. And ISTR getting *one* spam with a
hefty attachment. But I'll agree that most of the spam I see is plain
text(or as plain as text with too many !'s or *'s can be).
I'm actually a little surprised that I don't see more HTML spams.
You'd think that the spammer mentality wouldn't be able to resist
assaulting its victims with blink tags and large graphics.
Ben
--
Ben Coleman NJ8J http://oloryn.home.mindspring.com/
"I love the way Microsoft follows standards. In much the
same manner that fish follow migrating caribou."
Paul Tomblin
Brian Kantor
bargain rates on express-delivery sushi anywhere in Buenos Aires.
I have no idea what all the ones in Chinese are offering.
- Brian
Kevin Martin
>On 16 Feb 2000 15:28:35 -0600, Paul Tomko wrote:
>
>> However, I don't think I've EVER gotten
>>a spam in anything other than plain text.
>
>I've gotten my share of HTML spams. And ISTR getting *one* spam with a
>hefty attachment. But I'll agree that most of the spam I see is plain
>text(or as plain as text with too many !'s or *'s can be).
My procmail is routinely[1] handling [2] a 70KB from $APNIC_SPACE [3]:
>I'm actually a little surprised that I don't see more HTML spams.
>You'd think that the spammer mentality wouldn't be able to resist
>assaulting its victims with blink tags and large graphics.
My own sister just gave my address to a kid I was in first grade with.
He seems to be an Amway salesman now. Oh, the pain.
The one thing that I've never seen is CTC-fvtarq fcnz.
[1] Twice a week at least, for the last few months.
[2] Since it's my own mailbox:
0:
* ^Received: .* [every Class B in APNIC space]
/dev/null
[3] I do have a whitelist... note the ROT13 above. Otherwise, see if you
can arrange for .kr to nuke .cn....
Chris Johnson
rst...@xs4all.nl (Rik Steenwinkel) wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:28:35, to...@earth.execpc.com (Paul Tomko)
>persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the following:
>> because everybody can read plain text, and they want
>> everybody to read their crap.
>It appears you're attributing spammers the ability to actually
>distinghuish between sending plain text, and them being able to read
>what they just sent. Otherwise I wouldn't be receiving spams with five
><CR><LF> pairs per line of text. Or spams that look like they had an
>eight-space left indent, then gotten reflowed.
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the double-byte languages yet. For a
while I was getting hammered with spam in Japanese or Chinese or
something- whatever it was, it was out of China or Taiwan and encoded in a
double-byte character set that read as gibberish when treated
(incorrectly) as ASCII. Clearly, spammers are not smarter than pimps.
Jinx_tigr
(aka Chris Johnson)
Tai
>Usually I can get the open relay that was abused for these dropped
>into the ORBS and RSS blacklists. Sending complaints to the origin
>site in .cn, .tw, .sg, .my, etc. has of course never done any good.
Heh. You'd be interested to know that they're starting to
take slight action in .my. Apparently they were shamed into it when
it was announced that $BIG_IRC_NETWORK has decided to ban the entire
.my space because of abuse and that both large ISPs sucked at
controlling abuse. Of the two ISPs, one's run by a telco, and sucks
royally. And lets not get into how they cheat and lie to get people
from ISP1 to go to their service. And lets not even get into how
the $monopoly telco had superly great profits, and still had the balls
to go announce rate hikes. That'd be another rant for another day.
Anyway, *.jaring.my is run by the good guys. *.tm[net].my
is run by incompetent scumbags who wouldn't not even qualify as second
hand bastards (and not in the monkish sense too).
I'm personally interested in how .my responses after everyone
and their minister came out and and said Things Will Be Better[tm],
and totally incompetent people came out with lists of standards and
Things Thou Shalt Not Do On The Internet[r]
-Tai
[tm] All because some irc ops decided to ban them. Wonder what will
happen if the persian kitty decides to ban them too.
[r] Some official youth group or some such crap (you know, the ones
where the *ahem* next gen of politico leaders is supposed to come from).
Bleargh. Puke.
--
The current conventional logic behind why we do not have a html to text
converter is the overhead that would be placed on the machine, browser and
email app that would seriously hinder performance.
- Microsoft on why they can't disable html in outlook.
Rik Steenwinkel
} So far the most unusual spam I've gotten was in Spanish, offering
} bargain rates on express-delivery sushi anywhere in Buenos Aires.
Nigerian crude oil.
Red Drag Diva
:On 16 Feb 2000 15:28:35 -0600, Paul Tomko wrote:
:> However, I don't think I've EVER gotten
:>a spam in anything other than plain text.
:I've gotten my share of HTML spams. And ISTR getting *one* spam with a
:hefty attachment. But I'll agree that most of the spam I see is plain
:text(or as plain as text with too many !'s or *'s can be).
I got a 136k Word 97 document selling insurance to IT professionals.
Included the guy's home address, phone number and *photo*. Newbie spammers!
--
http://xenu.netizen.com.au/ http://www.caube.org.au/
"It is more than possible to be a member of a sub-culture, a different and
'outside the box' thinker who's dealt with the hardships of being different and
other people's scorn and *still* be an intolerant fuckwit." (Morgan Jaffit)
Jacob Haller
[. . .]
> There is one messy-word attachment in my net-abuse folder, but that's
> from some jerk at $PREVIOUS_ORKPLACE warning about Good Times[3].
[. . .]
Did it contain a macro virus?
-jwgh
--
"Hey, tolerance includes tolerating assholes, remember."
- Nikolai Kingsley, talk.bizarre 3/11/98
Chris Adams
>:I've gotten my share of HTML spams. And ISTR getting *one* spam with a
>:hefty attachment. But I'll agree that most of the spam I see is plain
>:text(or as plain as text with too many !'s or *'s can be).
>
>
>I got a 136k Word 97 document selling insurance to IT professionals.
>Included the guy's home address, phone number and *photo*. Newbie spammers!
There's got to be more to that story. Did you use that info to place a personal
ad in $PERVERTED_SUBGROUP_MAGAZINE or something?
Paul Tomko
Alan Bellingham <al...@lspace.org> wrote:
>jinx...@sover.net (Chris Johnson) wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the double-byte languages yet.
>
>
>>a spam in anything other than plain text. Well, excepting the ones
>>where they send it in BIG5 or something equally illegible. This says
>
One of the more popular double byte Chinese character sets.
Chris Johnson
<C7189C22A934C001.99C9CE7C...@lp.airnews.net>,
skq...@pdq.net wrote:
>In message <jinx6568-160...@arc1a383.bf.sover.net>,
> Chris Johnson <jinx...@sover.net> wrote:
>> I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the double-byte languages
>> Chinese or something- whatever it was, it was out of China or Taiwan
>> and encoded in a double-byte character set that read as gibberish
>> when treated (incorrectly) as ASCII. Clearly, spammers are not
>> smarter than pimps.
>I've gotten those too. Wonder if they are the same ones. The ISPs
>involved have gotten all kinds of complaints from me, with no results
>(yes, the upstream ISP). My mail to the RBL maintainers was still
>trying to send from Pine after 12 hours (which got wedged, damn that
>pissed me off) so I killed it and have yet to write a replacement. I
>swear, nothing pisses me off more than spam in a DIFFERENT FSCKING
>ALPHABET from my native language.
Oh, you have to keep a special place in your heart for the ones who go,
"According to $SOME_FSCKING_REGULATION, because we offer an optout address
to harvest more addresses from, you are not allowed to consider this
spam!" @whee.
In my technologically aided (spamcop, because I'm damned if I'm going
to exert great efforts over spammers) LARTs, the above phrase has been
known to change my personal request, "Please kill this spammer's account.
-postm...@airwindows.com" to "Please kill this haughty spammer's
account. -postm...@airwindows.com". I _looooove_ being told that I'm not
allowed to LART a spammer because they have an extra harvesting address. A
paltry 34 spammers have learned otherwise (those being the ones where I
was explicitly notified that the account was disabled. It's weird _liking_
MSN for something. They've killed several spammer accounts for me.)
However, 34 killed spammer accounts is better than nothing.
Two byte languages are stupid, but I think there's also evidence that
spammers are more arrogant than pimps.
Jinx_tigr
(aka Chris Johnson)
[1] personalised quote string _and_ request for an email courtesy copy
summarily replaced, turned off, scorned, discarded and ignored. furrfu.
Shawn K. Quinn - NO SOLICITING
Ben Pfaff <pfaf...@msu.edu> wrote:
| br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) writes:
|
| > I have no idea what all the ones in Chinese are offering.
|
No, one is definitely for some "Jack CD Shop" over in some country
where they don't use the Roman alphabet (assumably Taiwan but how am I
to know for sure?). Well, there was enough Roman alphabet in it to
figure out that much.
--
Shawn K. Quinn
Chris Butler
* Kevin Martin wrote *
>My newsreader alleges that "Ben Coleman" <olo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>On 16 Feb 2000 15:28:35 -0600, Paul Tomko wrote:
>>I'm actually a little surprised that I don't see more HTML spams.
>>You'd think that the spammer mentality wouldn't be able to resist
>>assaulting its victims with blink tags and large graphics.
>
>My own sister just gave my address to a kid I was in first grade with.
>He seems to be an Amway salesman now. Oh, the pain.
You think that's bad. It's difficult to ignore my dad.
ObLuserSpammers: Just got one offering free music, free software, and
free $OTHER_STUFF. Already been reported to the ISP and relay.. Might
go the whole hog and drop FAST (or similar .org) a note, too.
--
Chris
<chr...@sandy.force9.co.uk>
Brian Kantor
>
>So when did Argentina annex Southern California?
IIRC, it was a land swap, because as the USA put it's 2 million'th
prisoner behind bars, someone finally noticed we were running out of
room to build more prisons, and Argentina was considered to be far enough
away that no one in the US would complain "not in my back yard".
I must read up on the details someday.
- Brian
Mike Andrews
: ObLuserSpammers: Just got one offering free music, free software, and
: free $OTHER_STUFF. Already been reported to the ISP and relay.. Might
: go the whole hog and drop FAST (or similar .org) a note, too.
In addition to The Usual Spam, consider this set of firewall
log records:
> Feb 18 11:26:53 mikea /kernel: ipfw: 5001 Deny UDP
> 207.220.181.208:1666 24.94.250.198:31337 in via de0
> Feb 18 12:19:46 mikea /kernel: ipfw: 5001 Deny TCP
> 199.182.102.120:4955 24.94.250.198:27374 in via de0
> Feb 18 12:19:55 mikea last message repeated 2 times
> Feb 18 15:51:55 mikea /kernel: ipfw: 5001 Deny UDP
> 207.220.187.124:1819 24.94.250.198:31337 in via de0
> Feb 18 20:28:55 mikea /kernel: ipfw: 5001 Deny UDP
> 207.220.187.124:2446 24.94.250.198:31337 in via de0
Obviously two different SkRiPtKiDdIeZ having a go at my firewall.
Only after I sent in the last record did Netcom/MindSink decide
that it was a "security incident". It wasn't, really; it was
_TWO_ "security incidents". It isn't bad enough I get to do it
at $ORKPLACE; I get to do it at home, too.
ObRecovery: Prospective new $EMPLOYER is paying the fare
for a trip from OKC to Denver; I get to eat at
The Queen Of Sheba[1], see some dear old friends,
and Get Away From The House for a bit. $DOWNSIDE:
I am expected to shave for the interview, and I
am expected to wear a suit, dress shirt, and tie.
Into each life a little rain must fall ...
And what did the sigmonster find this time? Not particularly apropos.
*sigh* Maybe next time.
[1] Pretty damn good Ethiopian restaurant out east on can't-
remember-name-of-street.
--
"Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It
eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation."
-- Johnny Hart
Rik Steenwinkel
} In article <Ysd2q9KROUC1-p...@news.xs4all.nl>,
} rst...@xs4all.nl (Rik Steenwinkel) writes:
}
} > Nigerian crude oil.
}
} Russian steel mill.....cheap!
Way more useful.
If you dunk $LUSER_TO_BE_DISPOSED_OF in a smelting furnace, they'll
*vanish*, whereas with crude, their remains will eventually reappear
covered in slick, Greenpeace will get involved, hassle, bother,
etcetera.
Rik Steenwinkel
} Rik Steenwinkel <rst...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
}
} [. . .]
} > There is one messy-word attachment in my net-abuse folder, but that's
} > from some jerk at $PREVIOUS_ORKPLACE warning about Good Times[3].
} [. . .]
}
} Did it contain a macro virus?
Wouldn't know. Is there a way to tell, without feeding it to turd and
see it explode, or trying to feed it, and have $AV_SCANNER try to
intercept? Because the first is impossible for lack of ingredients,
and as for the second, I wouldn't know why the particular $AV_SCANNER
I have would even need to care about turd-macros.
Mike Andrews
: On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:08:10, zza...@twirl.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
: persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the following:
: } In article <Ysd2q9KROUC1-p...@news.xs4all.nl>,
: } rst...@xs4all.nl (Rik Steenwinkel) writes:
: }
: } > Nigerian crude oil.
: }
: } Russian steel mill.....cheap!
: Way more useful.
: If you dunk $LUSER_TO_BE_DISPOSED_OF in a smelting furnace, they'll
: *vanish*, whereas with crude, their remains will eventually reappear
: covered in slick, Greenpeace will get involved, hassle, bother,
: etcetera.
But ... it plays absolute Hob with the metallurgy! All that extra
carbon and calcium do Really Bad Things to the carefully-computed
melt composition. And it's not as through hu^Wlusers have a standard
composition and weight so that you don't have to recompute.
Plasma arcs, now ... .
--
"... by God I *KNOW* what this blast furnace is for, and you're
going in it!"
- _NOT_ Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu)
Tanuki the Raccoon-dog
<rst...@xs4all.nl> said
>On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:08:10, zza...@twirl.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
>persuaded newsservers all over the world to carry the following:
>} In article <Ysd2q9KROUC1-p...@news.xs4all.nl>,
>} rst...@xs4all.nl (Rik Steenwinkel) writes:
>}
>} > Nigerian crude oil.
>}
>} Russian steel mill.....cheap!
>
>Way more useful.
>
>If you dunk $LUSER_TO_BE_DISPOSED_OF in a smelting furnace, they'll
>*vanish*, whereas with crude, their remains will eventually reappear
>covered in slick, Greenpeace will get involved, hassle, bother,
>etcetera.
And, who knows... the Phosphorus from $LUSER_TO_BE_DISPOSED_OF's
bones might actually improve the quality of the Russian steel;
let's face it, the inclusion of a corpse in their steel could hardly
reduce the quality of the product. Same goes for Microsoft-
written code when you come to think of it...
--
!Raised Tails! -:Tanuki:-
http://www.canismajor.demon.co.uk/index.htm
"We're not the admins you're looking for"
Bram Smits
>But ... it plays absolute Hob with the metallurgy! All that extra
We're talking russian steel mills here. Cheap ones, too. Probably
producing the same kind of steel that, say, Alfas [1] of the 1980's were made
of. Not much metallurgy to begin with....
v__
<"___\____ Bram 'mouser' Smits
[1] the cars, not the subs
--
You have reached extension 666, the helpdesk from Hell.
How can we be of disservice to you ?
Red Drag Diva
I couldn't bring myself to do more than standard complaint. Fish, barrel,
tacnuke. I just forwarded the whole 136k document as a complaint to Ozemail
(from whence it came), pointed out how much of a problem such spam was to
us (Thingy is on a 33k line to a 'hub' on a 64k ISDN) and asked them to
cluify, suggesting this one might benefit from immediate referral to
http://www.caube.org.au/ . Then expressed my incredulity to the CAUBE list.
Multi-hundred-k spams are becoming sufficiently common (and still as
problematic) that I would now terminate with greater prejudice.
Rik Steenwinkel
} But ... it plays absolute Hob with the metallurgy! All that extra
} carbon and calcium do Really Bad Things to the carefully-computed
} melt composition. And it's not as through hu^Wlusers have a standard
} composition and weight so that you don't have to recompute.
*Russian* steel mills. And they may still have the recipes around from
the era of Uncle Josip S., so that they know how many lusers per ton
will yield Lada-grade steel, nuclear-containment-vessel-grade steel,
etcetera.
Paul Tomblin
> Oh, you have to keep a special place in your heart for the ones who go,
>"According to $SOME_FSCKING_REGULATION, because we offer an optout address
>to harvest more addresses from, you are not allowed to consider this
>spam!" @whee.
Especially where $SOME_FSKING_REGULATION expands to a bill that was submitted
in the Senate but died in Conference! How can you be in compliance with a law
that didn't pass?
I think I'm going to start responding with:
"According to HR 111111111111-666, I am now allowed to machine gun you, your
wife, your children, and anybody who knows you, you low life scum sucking
spammer."
--
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
'Usenet "belongs" to those who administer the hosts of which it is comprised'
- RFC 1036, draft revision
Brad Spaulding
news:88s9sn$vl6$1...@allhats.xcski.com...
> "According to HR 111111111111-666, I am now allowed to machine gun you,
your
> wife, your children, and anybody who knows you, you low life scum sucking
> spammer."
*snarf*
--
Brad Spaulding
"According to HR 111111111111-666, I am now allowed to machine gun you, your
wife, your children, and anybody who knows you, you low life scum sucking
spammer." -PTomblin sends his plate of Spam back to the kitchen.
Michael Hinz
> Oh, you have to keep a special place in your heart for the ones who go,
> "According to $SOME_FSCKING_REGULATION, because we offer an optout address
> to harvest more addresses from, you are not allowed to consider this
> spam!" @whee.
Add those who think US law (especially the ones which don't pass the house)
apply anywhere outside the US[0].
Add those who think if they don't send it to somebody in the state of
Washington[1] *knowingly* they can't get busted for it.
> In my technologically aided (spamcop, because I'm damned if I'm going
> to exert great efforts over spammers) LARTs, the above phrase has been
> known to change my personal request, "Please kill this spammer's account.
> -postm...@airwindows.com" to "Please kill this haughty spammer's
> account. -postm...@airwindows.com". I _looooove_ being told that I'm not
Too many words. My "normal" spam report consists of one word.
> allowed to LART a spammer because they have an extra harvesting address. A
> paltry 34 spammers have learned otherwise (those being the ones where I
> was explicitly notified that the account was disabled. It's weird _liking_
> MSN for something. They've killed several spammer accounts for me.)
> However, 34 killed spammer accounts is better than nothing.
I stopped counting. It gets quite unfunny after a while... on the other
hands, big kudos to <UI withheld>, they saved me a lot of unnecessary
work.
But the weirdest response I ever got was that postmaster from Poland who
offered *evidence* in case I wanted to present the case to our local
police. Who wouldn't understand what this was about, but that's beside
the point...
Michael
[0] or, considering the "law" in question, even outside Alaska ;)
[1] Apparently they have given anti-spammers a big heavy (legal) LART there.
I repeat my request - could anybody give me an email address located
there? One of those could at least be used to scare those lusers...
--
Another of my pet peeves is the use of random special characters in names,
e.g. SQL*Forms. I pronounce that one "squeal splat forms" - sort of sounds
like roadkill, doesn't it?
-- Charlie Gibbs
Alan J Rosenthal
>wife, your children, and anybody who knows you, you low life scum sucking
>spammer."
I know you're not serious, because I know you know what will happen when you
do this.
They will add you to the "validated" e-mail address list, and sell your
e-mail address for more money. They won't see your complaint, nor would they
understand it if they did.
YHBSpammed. HAND.
Incidentally, I seem to get spam mostly on weekends recently... I think this
pattern is just from the last month or so. Something about the demographics
of spammers has shifted, I think. Perhaps it's that they've all had to
get jobs at McDonald's now so can't spam during the work-day.
Paul Tomblin
>ptom...@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>>"According to HR 111111111111-666, I am now allowed to machine gun you, your
>>wife, your children, and anybody who knows you, you low life scum sucking
>>spammer."
>e-mail address for more money. They won't see your complaint, nor would they
>understand it if they did.
I didn't say I'd *email* it to them. I was thinking more along the lines of
writing in on their front door. In blood. Preferably theirs.
Lionel Lauer
<Tanuki@canis-^Hmajor.da^Hemon.co.uk> stated that:
>In <Ysd2q9KROUC1-p...@news.xs4all.nl>, Rik Steenwinkel
><rst...@xs4all.nl> said
[...]
>>If you dunk $LUSER_TO_BE_DISPOSED_OF in a smelting furnace, they'll
>>*vanish*, whereas with crude, their remains will eventually reappear
>>covered in slick, Greenpeace will get involved, hassle, bother,
>>etcetera.
>
>And, who knows... the Phosphorus from $LUSER_TO_BE_DISPOSED_OF's
>bones might actually improve the quality of the Russian steel;
>let's face it, the inclusion of a corpse in their steel could hardly
>reduce the quality of the product. Same goes for Microsoft-
>written code when you come to think of it...
Sounds good, but how do you go about including luser corpses in
Microsoft-written code?
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Andrews
: Incidentally, I seem to get spam mostly on weekends recently... I think this
: pattern is just from the last month or so. Something about the demographics
: of spammers has shifted, I think. Perhaps it's that they've all had to
: get jobs at McDonald's now so can't spam during the work-day.
I wish. Unfortunately, the spammers have got wise to the simple fact
that all too many ISPs are running 5x8 or 5x12 or (sometimes) 5x24
helpdesks, instead of the more expensive 7x24 service that really
to be part of a 7x24 ISP. So they wait until the help/abuse troops
go home, then start pumping mail out to the world, secure in the
knowledge that the complaints won't even be read until late Sunday
night at the very earliest.
--
The only sensible way to estimate the stability of a Windows
server is to power it down and try it out as a step ladder.
- Robert Crawford, in the Monastery
Mike Andrews
: Paul Tomblin <ptom...@xcski.com>:
:> I didn't say I'd *email* it to them. I was thinking more along the lines of
:> writing in on their front door. In blood. Preferably theirs.
: Wimp. Soft, wussy wimp. You take them, tie them down on the ground (big
: nails to the floor will do), and then start working. As you remove parts
: and pieces you stick them to something suitable, just so you can enjoy
: the sight of your progress. With a bit of care you should be able to
: keep them alive, awake, and in pain for several days.
And Poddy was right: there are drugs that work exactly opposite to
anesthetics. They make pain hurt worse.
Mike Andrews
: I couldn't bring myself to do more than standard complaint. Fish, barrel,
: tacnuke.
SNARF!!
--
[S]tandard complaint. Fish, barrel, tacnuke.
-- Red Drag Diva, in alt.sysadmin.recovery
Mike Andrews
: I couldn't bring myself to do more than standard complaint. Fish, barrel,
: tacnuke. I just forwarded the whole 136k document as a complaint to Ozemail
: (from whence it came), pointed out how much of a problem such spam was to
: us (Thingy is on a 33k line to a 'hub' on a 64k ISDN) and asked them to
: cluify, suggesting this one might benefit from immediate referral to
: http://www.caube.org.au/ . Then expressed my incredulity to the CAUBE list.
: Multi-hundred-k spams are becoming sufficiently common (and still as
: problematic) that I would now terminate with greater prejudice.
Related question:
How do folks here handle those annoying little bastards who sit there
and rattle the doors on the outside interface of your firewalls? I've
got it pretty well boilerplated, but I'm wondering if there's something
more that I should be doing.
--
I don't mind emacs. Emacs is evil, so I can ignore it.
-- david parsons
Tanuki the Raccoon-dog
<mi...@mikea.ath.cx> said
I generally don't have time to deal with such oiks on an
individual basis, though the option of solving 65% of
the problem by offering Korea to the French as a site for
above-ground nuclear-testing is sriously tempting.
--
!Raised Tails! -:Tanuki:-
http://www.canismajor.demon.co.uk/index.html
"If we cut any more corners this will certainly be a well-rounded product"
Malcolm Ray
>Red Drag Diva <f...@netizen.com.au> wrote:
>
>: tacnuke. I just forwarded the whole 136k document as a complaint to Ozemail
>: (from whence it came), pointed out how much of a problem such spam was to
>: us (Thingy is on a 33k line to a 'hub' on a 64k ISDN) and asked them to
>: cluify, suggesting this one might benefit from immediate referral to
>: http://www.caube.org.au/ . Then expressed my incredulity to the CAUBE list.
>
>: problematic) that I would now terminate with greater prejudice.
>
>Related question:
>
>How do folks here handle those annoying little bastards who sit there
>and rattle the doors on the outside interface of your firewalls? I've
>got it pretty well boilerplated, but I'm wondering if there's something
>more that I should be doing.
Life's too short to chase them all, but I pick and choose. I've just
fired off a message about a portscan, and since it was against a .gov.uk
address it might even get a response (most ISPs appear to ignore such
complaints).
(Stop press: the response came in while I was typing this, and he even
called me 'sir'! Woohoo!)
When you say "something more that I should be doing", are you thinking
of... more creative measures?
--
Malcolm Ray University of London Computer Centre
Mike Andrews
: Life's too short to chase them all, but I pick and choose. I've just
: fired off a message about a portscan, and since it was against a .gov.uk
: address it might even get a response (most ISPs appear to ignore such
: complaints).
: (Stop press: the response came in while I was typing this, and he even
: called me 'sir'! Woohoo!)
: When you say "something more that I should be doing", are you thinking
: of... more creative measures?
Not really, though the idea does have its own merits, and "pour encourager
les autres" is always sufficient motivation for this sort of thing.
I had more in mind soliciting opinions and methods from others on what
(if anything) more to include in my pretty-much standard letter, in
addition to this:
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:11:42 -0600
> From: Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx>
> Subject: Repeated intrusion attempts from Netcom hosts (Issue # 000218-10801894)
> To: ab...@netcom.com
> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i
>
> Dear Netcom Abuse Folks,
>
> This is getting old _very_ quickly. I don't know whether the attempts are
> intentional or are coming from some poor Win95 user's infected machine, and
> I don't care. They are hitting my systems, and tht's what counts. _PLEASE_
> get this stopped.
>
> Yes, I consider it to be a continuing attack. It may not be a _fast_ attack,
> the guy isn't flooding me, and I can firewall him, but he's rattling the
> door and hoping to find it unlocked, and he needs to be stopped.
>
> The favor of a human-generated response, rather than an auto-ack, is
> requested.
>
> Times are Central Standard and are NTP-synchronized.
>
> Firewall log:
> Feb 20 23:45:58 mikea /kernel: ipfw: 5001 Deny TCP 199.182.106.174:3062 24.94.250.198:27374 in via de0
> Feb 20 23:46:07 mikea last message repeated 2 times
> TCP log
> 23:45:58.527782 0:d0:bb:c8:e8:70 0:c0:6d:15:0:38 ip 62: 199.182.106.174.3062 > mikea.ath.cx..27374: S 10392675:10392675(0) win 8192 <mss 536,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
> 23:46:01.526161 0:d0:bb:c8:e8:70 0:c0:6d:15:0:38 ip 62: 199.182.106.174.3062 > mikea.ath.cx..27374: S 10392675:10392675(0) win 8192 <mss 536,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
> 23:46:07.580109 0:d0:bb:c8:e8:70 0:c0:6d:15:0:38 ip 62: 199.182.106.174.3062 > mikea.ath.cx..27374: S 10392675:10392675(0) win 8192 <mss 536,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
>
> $ ./wh 199.182.106.174
> NETCOM On-Line Communication Services, Inc. (NETBLK-NETCOMCBLK-3)
> 3031 Tisch Way
> San Jose, CA 95128
>
> Netname: NETBLK-NETCOMCBLK-3
> Netblock: 199.182.0.0 - 199.183.255.255
> Maintainer: NTCM
>
> Also reported earlier (Issue # 000218-10801894):
> Firewall log:
> Feb 18 12:19:46 mikea /kernel: ipfw: 5001 Deny TCP 199.182.102.120:4955 24.94.250.198:27374 in via de0
> Feb 18 12:19:55 mikea last message repeated 2 times
> TCP log:
> 12:19:46.153073 0:d0:bb:c8:e8:70 0:c0:6d:15:0:38 ip 62: 199.182.102.120.4955 > mikea.ath.cx..27374: S 9847967:9847967(0) win 8192 <mss 536,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
> 12:19:49.245573 0:d0:bb:c8:e8:70 0:c0:6d:15:0:38 ip 62: 199.182.102.120.4955 > mikea.ath.cx..27374: S 9847967:9847967(0) win 8192 <mss 536,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
> 12:19:55.177188 0:d0:bb:c8:e8:70 0:c0:6d:15:0:38 ip 62: 199.182.102.120.4955 > mikea.ath.cx..27374: S 9847967:9847967(0) win 8192 <mss 536,nop,nop,sackOK> (DF)
>
>
>
> --
> Mike Andrews
> mi...@mikea.ath.cx
> Tired old sysadmin since 1964
Likewise, if anyone has any suggestions for tools in addition to portsentry
and good firewalling/packet-filtering, I'm interested.
--
Any site should be designed so that it's usable as a dead file tree with
no server-side smarts. Any sort of active pages or search engines should
be an add-on, not essential.
-- Peter da Silva, in a.s.r.
Richard Gadsden
long...@newsguy.com (Lionel Lauer) wrote:
> Sounds good, but how do you go about including luser corpses in
> Microsoft-written code?
Take the bloat out and there's plenty of space left.
--
Richard Gadsden
"[T]he secret to high uptimes is no one to use the network, no
one to manage the network and no one to maintain the network"
Chris Hacking, the Scary Devil Monastery
Mike Andrews
: In article <4f07bsk0an81jq1db...@4ax.com>,
: long...@newsguy.com (Lionel Lauer) wrote:
:> Sounds good, but how do you go about including luser corpses in
:> Microsoft-written code?
: Take the bloat out and there's plenty of space left.
Where do you think the bloat came from in the first place? It's
developers who broke the NDA.
--
"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then hire a
hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and smash his
computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism." - Paul Tomblin
Jason Spence
initiated Kung-fu Fighting when you said:
>Related question:
>
>How do folks here handle those annoying little bastards who sit there
>and rattle the doors on the outside interface of your firewalls? I've
>more that I should be doing.
Sometimes when I feel like going on a LART I fire up my active countermeasure
system. It's really cool; it reads the sniffer logs and sends nasty packets[1]
back at the script kiddies who are doing the rattling.
[1] You know, all that stuff that people don't patch their Windows[2] systems
against?
[2] No, I haven't found any useful MacOS exploits lately, and the kiddies
usually aren't using Linux. If they are, then I break into their system
manually and try to find a phone number or printer or something I can flood
with satanic messages }:)
Lionel
mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) said:
>Par Leijonhufvud <p...@sid.mep.ki.se> wrote:
>: Paul Tomblin <ptom...@xcski.com>:
>
>:> I didn't say I'd *email* it to them. I was thinking more along the lines of
>:> writing in on their front door. In blood. Preferably theirs.
>
>: Wimp. Soft, wussy wimp. You take them, tie them down on the ground (big
>: nails to the floor will do), and then start working. As you remove parts
>: and pieces you stick them to something suitable, just so you can enjoy
>: the sight of your progress. With a bit of care you should be able to
>: keep them alive, awake, and in pain for several days.
>
>And Poddy was right: there are drugs that work exactly opposite to
>anesthetics. They make pain hurt worse.
Tempting though it is (considering the number of quotable quotes in the
book, & the appropriateness of many of them to this context), I'll
resist S'ingTR.
Lionel
mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) said:
>Red Drag Diva <f...@netizen.com.au> wrote:
>
>: I couldn't bring myself to do more than standard complaint. Fish, barrel,
>: tacnuke. I just forwarded the whole 136k document as a complaint to Ozemail
>: (from whence it came), pointed out how much of a problem such spam was to
>: us (Thingy is on a 33k line to a 'hub' on a 64k ISDN) and asked them to
>: cluify, suggesting this one might benefit from immediate referral to
>: http://www.caube.org.au/ . Then expressed my incredulity to the CAUBE list.
>
>: Multi-hundred-k spams are becoming sufficiently common (and still as
>: problematic) that I would now terminate with greater prejudice.
>
>Related question:
>
>How do folks here handle those annoying little bastards who sit there
>and rattle the doors on the outside interface of your firewalls? I've
>got it pretty well boilerplated, but I'm wondering if there's something
>more that I should be doing.
I like the metaphorical wire brushes & vinegar approach, personally, but
rarely have time to actually implement it these days.
The point being that very few people in the world have the CFT to
actually followup on the little fsckwits, & they know it.
Rebecca Ore
> Word has it that on Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:39:24 GMT, in this august forum,
> mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) said:
> >
> >Related question:
> >
> >How do folks here handle those annoying little bastards who sit there
> >and rattle the doors on the outside interface of your firewalls? I've
> >got it pretty well boilerplated, but I'm wondering if there's something
> >more that I should be doing.
>
> I like the metaphorical wire brushes & vinegar approach, personally, but
> rarely have time to actually implement it these days.
>
> The point being that very few people in the world have the CFT to
> actually followup on the little fsckwits, & they know it.
We've got a persistant spammer who keeps trying my port 119.
Giving a shell account to someone who just loves tracking down this
stuff for an advocation works for me.
--
Rebecca Ore
http://www.ogoense.net
Malcolm Ray
>M....@ulcc.ac.uk (Malcolm Ray) wrote:
>
>>(Stop press: the response came in while I was typing this, and he even
>>called me 'sir'! Woohoo!)
>
>
> Piss off
>
> Yours faithfully, ..."
>
>Alan
Nono: if it had been in an opening line, I wouldn't have mentioned it.
I *hate* seeing that. It's a convention from a different medium.
Boomshanka,
Peter Dalgaard BSA
> We've got a persistant spammer who keeps trying my port 119.
Now why did I have to see that immediately after the following, in
a completely(?) different thread?
> I think, therefore I am, except for the number of ports. (What are
> you doing with that phallic probe thing?)
Still trying to match the images....
--
O__ ---- Peter Dalgaard Blegdamsvej 3
c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics 2200 Cph. N
(*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918
~~~~~~~~~~ - (p.dal...@biostat.ku.dk) FAX: (+45) 35327907
Tanuki the Raccoon-dog
<al...@lspace.org> said
>M....@ulcc.ac.uk (Malcolm Ray) wrote:
>>(Stop press: the response came in while I was typing this, and he even
>>called me 'sir'! Woohoo!)
>
>"Dear Sir
>
> Piss off
>
> Yours faithfully, ..."
>
>Alan
s/Sir/Cur/
--
!Raised Tails! -:Tanuki:-
http://www.canismajor.demon.co.uk/index.htm
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; give him a freshly-charged
Electric Eel and chances are he won't bother you for anything ever again"
Malcolm Ray
>Tanuki the Raccoon-dog <Tanuki@canis-^Hmajor.da^Hemon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>s/Sir/Cur/
>
>Someone was calling Malcolm a cur?
>
>Ah, it all fits, now.
>
>Alan
I read that as 'car'. Yes, I have trouble starting in the morning, my
fuel consumption is lousy, and the bodywork needs attention.
ObASR: will the kiddies never tire of scanning for insecure portmappers?
I doubt whether setting up a honeytrap would be considered good policy,
but it'd be fun to see how many suckers we'd get.
Mike Andrews
: ObASR: will the kiddies never tire of scanning for insecure portmappers?
: I doubt whether setting up a honeytrap would be considered good policy,
: but it'd be fun to see how many suckers we'd get.
Oh, yes, it'd be good policy. See how far in you can get 'em to go. I see
boundless opportunities for glee here, especially when you have 'em trapped
and they start wailing. Got any good honeytrap code available?
--
Cuteness can be overcome through sufficient bastardry --Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes
t...@evilminions.com
Malcolm Ray <M....@ulcc.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>ObASR: will the kiddies never tire of scanning for insecure portmappers?
>I doubt whether setting up a honeytrap would be considered good policy,
>but it'd be fun to see how many suckers we'd get.
Submitted for your amusement...
--
Tom, the Tired t...@evilminions.com
"Kevin? No longer relevant. He's *so* twentieth century..."
Mike Andrews
: In article <slrn8bcvi9...@carlova.ulcc.ac.uk>,
: Malcolm Ray <M....@ulcc.ac.uk> wrote:
:>
:>ObASR: will the kiddies never tire of scanning for insecure portmappers?
:>I doubt whether setting up a honeytrap would be considered good policy,
:>but it'd be fun to see how many suckers we'd get.
: Submitted for your amusement...
How sweet. I'm glad to see that every packet was captured, and that
law enforcement is taking an interest. Wish I had time and space to
do something like that. As it is, portsentry stays busy enough, and
my archived messages and tcp.logs are something to behold. I had to
drop back to only catching setup and breakdown packets for TCP.
--
"I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Blue Screen, Blue Screen leads to downtime,
downtime leads to suffering. NT is the path to the Dark Side."
Malcolm Ray
>Malcolm Ray <M....@ulcc.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>: ObASR: will the kiddies never tire of scanning for insecure portmappers?
>: I doubt whether setting up a honeytrap would be considered good policy,
>: but it'd be fun to see how many suckers we'd get.
>
>boundless opportunities for glee here, especially when you have 'em trapped
>and they start wailing. Got any good honeytrap code available?
No. I suspect that's a project for my home network rather than here.
ObRecovery: Resident Evil 3. Trouble is, when I heard noises outside
my window last night, I thought it was zombies coming to eat me.
Eric The Read
> ObRecovery: Resident Evil 3. Trouble is, when I heard noises outside
> my window last night, I thought it was zombies coming to eat me.
Ooh, fun game. Kind of ironic, I suppose, that the first game was
intended to be a pastiche of @ZOMBIE_MOVIES, but the two sequels have
been straight horror (and done much better, sales-wise). I just got a
dual shock controller, and Spyro-- now THERE's recovery. Arcade-like
action, but with a plot.
-=Eric
--
"Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It
eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation."
-- Johnny Hart
Peter da Silva
Malcolm Ray <M....@ulcc.ac.uk> wrote:
> ObRecovery: Resident Evil 3. Trouble is, when I heard noises outside
> my window last night, I thought it was zombies coming to eat me.
<a href=previous thread>Ever sleepily thought the cat scratching at the
door was a Skulltula?</a>
--
In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva <pe...@baileynm.com>
`-_-' Ar rug tú barróg ar do mhactíre inniu?
'U`
"I *am* $PHB" -- Skud.
Lee Maguire
> ObRecovery: Resident Evil 3.
Yes... until you find the manager's report in the Sales Office and
read the section about the password for the computer controlled
security system:
"Try and remember that it is a word that everyone is familiar with.
Don't forget that once a new product is shipped, the password will
be updated again."
OK that "puzzle" took all of 2 seconds to solve.[1] That's when I
decided to stop saving my Magnum rounds and start blowing some
zombie heads apart. (The "Operation Mad Jackal" sub-game is great for
this.)
> Trouble is, when I heard noises outside my window last night, I
> thought it was zombies coming to eat me.
I've now developed an odd Pavlovian reaction to the word "starrzzz"...
[1] And what is with the security in these sinister biotech labs? You
can't seem to move for dead technicians clutching pieces of paper
with passwords written on them...
--
Lee Maguire <{$news-reply$}@hexkey.co.uk>
Lionel Lauer
>[1] And what is with the security in these sinister biotech labs? You
> can't seem to move for dead technicians clutching pieces of paper
> with passwords written on them...
What's unusual about that?
(Except perhaps that it's slightly more secure than the lusers' usual
practice of keeping their passwords on stick-notes attached to their
monitors.)
Oh, that & perhaps that the lab-techs are dead, I suppose.
Eric The Read
> Eric The Read (emsc...@rmi.net) wrote:
> : been straight horror (and done much better, sales-wise). I just got a
> : dual shock controller, and Spyro-- now THERE's recovery. Arcade-like
> : action, but with a plot.
>
> I or II?
Oh, I, definitely. I'm very picky about my PSX games: I only buy them
when I can get 'em for about $20, +/- $5. The only exception I've made
so far is FFVIII, and that's pretty much convinced me that if I paid more
than $25, I paid too much. Which is too bad-- I've been looking forward
to Xenogears, but I can't even find it on eBay for < $30. :(
> I'm currently playing II, and it's a little disappointing. If you'll
> forgive the concept, there's a little too much variety.
You're right, that does sound odd. Are we talking like the difference
between Tomb Raider I and II?
> But when II's good[0], it's very good.
And when it's bad, it's *WONDERFUL*. STR, if you like, but you'll have
to get your own prize.
Eric The Read
> [1] And what is with the security in these sinister biotech labs? You
> can't seem to move for dead technicians clutching pieces of paper
> with passwords written on them...
It's the ultimate in security-- by the time you get close enough to the
dead tech to read their password, whatever killed them has probably
already got you as well. Admittedly, this doesn't work in the game
itself, but if you think of it in the "protagonist is hero" style of
storytelling, then the average skript-kiddie would be instant toast.
Jake Kesinger
[Spyro the Dragon]
: > I'm currently playing II, and it's a little disappointing. If you'll
: > forgive the concept, there's a little too much variety.
: You're right, that does sound odd. Are we talking like the difference
: between Tomb Raider I and II?
I don't know. I've never played any of the TR games, except a demo once
or twice.
The mechanics of Spyro I were fairly simple. One had to run around
the various levels killing baddies and freeing dragons, and fight the
occasional boss. For varity, there were several ``bonus'' levels,
not necessary for completion of the game, in which you could fly around
flaming stuff.
In Spyro II, there appear[0] to be *two* sets of goals, Talismans and
Orbs. Talismans are simple to get; they're essentially a ``start at
point A, get to point B'' sort of thing. Orbs are trickier, and more
variable. For example, one might have to flame seven towers while
flying, defeat a yeti at hockey, herd some ungulates into a pen, or
escort one NPC to another. While some of these are fun, others are,
like one particular instantiation of the last, just downright
frustrating.
One thing that really chaps my hide, though, is that levels reset
between the time you leave and time you return. The NPCs often don't
remember that you've already completed various quests.
==Jake ``but it's still fun'' K.
[0] I'm only at the 55% mark, getting ready to fight the second boss,
so there might be stuff I'm missing.
Paul Tomko
Jake Kesinger <kesi...@math.ttu.edu> wrote:
>The mechanics of Spyro I were fairly simple. One had to run around
>the various levels killing baddies and freeing dragons, and fight the
>occasional boss. For varity, there were several ``bonus'' levels,
>not necessary for completion of the game, in which you could fly around
>flaming stuff.
I for one am really tired of hearing the words 'boss' and 'level' in
regard to video games. My kid has asked me several times if I have
beaten a 'level' on Gran Turismo 2. He also referred to all the little
scenarios in Medievil as levels. I saw them all as just something you had to
get through to win the game. Some of the places didn't even HAVE a 'boss'.
Some of them had two or three.
Then, in Dino Crisis, he kept asking me how to beat the first level. What
the heck is a level in this game? You either have beaten the game or you
haven't. And a T-Rex is not a boss. Especially since you can't really do
anything about him in most of the scenes where you encounter him.
I swear we're going to wind up with a generation of people who think
that they can no be promoted within a company until after they have
killed their manager. And they will think that if something bad happens to
them that they will shrink and blink for awhile.
Now where are my chill pills. Ahh, there they are. Gulp. Ahhh! I love
levels. Levels and bosses. Yesss!
Paul
--
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David DeLaney
>I swear we're going to wind up with a generation of people who think
>that they can no be promoted within a company until after they have
>killed their manager.
...And this is a bad thing how?
>And they will think that if something bad happens to
>them that they will shrink and blink for awhile.
Dave "_I_ certainly do" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://panacea.phys.utk.edu/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Eric The Read
> to...@earth.execpc.com (Paul Tomko) writes:
> >I swear we're going to wind up with a generation of people who think
> >that they can no be promoted within a company until after they have
> >killed their manager.
>
> ...And this is a bad thing how?
Well, if they become your PFY, it'll become rather tedious, calling the
cleaners to scrape their brains off the wall for the Nth time.
> >And they will think that if something bad happens to
> >them that they will shrink and blink for awhile.
>
> Dave "_I_ certainly do" DeLaney
I don't. Everyone knows you just have a friend toss you a Phoenix Down,
and *poof* you're resurrected. I mean, DUH, people!
Jake Kesinger
: I for one am really tired of hearing the words 'boss' and 'level' in
: regard to video games. My kid has asked me several times if I have
: beaten a 'level' on Gran Turismo 2. He also referred to all the little
: scenarios in Medievil as levels. I saw them all as just something you had to
: get through to win the game. Some of the places didn't even HAVE a 'boss'.
: Some of them had two or three.
Fine. Give me some better terminology. The structure of Spyro I is
like this.
|START HERE
|
V
+--------Main thingy.
|
+ \
+ -------Various separated sub-thingies which can be completed in any order.
+ /
+ -------Bonus. Not necessary for completion of game.
|
+ -------Special sub-thingy involving unique, large, tough enemy.
|
V
[Repeat V->V multiple times]
|
V
+--------Final Main thingy
| Yadda yadda yadda
+--------Final unique, large, tough enemy.
s/thingy/level/g (pluralize as apppropriate)
s/unique.*enemy/boss/g
*shrug*
: I swear we're going to wind up with a generation of people who think
: that they can no be promoted within a company until after they have
: killed their manager.
IHNTA.
==Jake
void
>
>Gods be damned zombie processes hung in nfs space after they've been
>killed. Gah.
>
>Gah. Gah.
Cue umpteen entirely justified rants about how completely NFS sucks.
--
Ben
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Graham Reed
> Cue umpteen entirely justified rants about how completely NFS sucks.
RPC: Server not responding, NFS sucks.
Hmmm... time to play with the messages in my Linux kernel. Why should
only the comments be rude?
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"So now the tape drive is sitting out in the yard, and I have to replace
the tape drive and the window I threw it through."
-- Paul Tomblin in the Monastery
Graham Reed gr...@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~greed/
Chris Hacking
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> void <fl...@incandescent.firedrake.org> wrote:
> > Cue umpteen entirely justified rants about how completely NFS sucks.
> RPC: Server not responding, NFS sucks.
> Hmmm... time to play with the messages in my Linux kernel. Why should
> only the comments be rude?
I think you can justify rude error messages as stress relief, but avoid
ascii art illustrations on how to perform the actions in those messages, as
it might signal that you have too much time on your hands.
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Chris Hacking
Graham Reed
> I think you can justify rude error messages as stress relief, but avoid
> ascii art illustrations on how to perform the actions in those messages, as
> it might signal that you have too much time on your hands.
Don't tempt me, I just bought a digital camera, and I know there's
proggies out there to ASCII-art a $PICTURE.
Heck, there are those Polaroids I can scan.
Oh yeah, and all that pr0n on the fileserver. (Home fileserver, I can
waste space on it if I want to. Think I'll offline the pr0n to CD-R so
there's room for more MP3s. It was supposed to just be a dinky little
firewall....)
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"Lad I don't know where you've been,
but I see you've won first prize!"
Mike Cross, "The Scotsman"