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Cipher

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Apr 27, 2012, 5:50:36 PM4/27/12
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So, I get to $job{night}[0] to teach a MCDST class[1]. I'm back on
double-shift days and nights, but I need to money since my car decided
to shit itself after thirteen years of abuse.

I get there, get set up, talk to a few of my former students and the
site director pokes her head in and asks, "Why are you here?"

"The fuck?" I think. I actually answer, "I'm teaching MCDST tonight."

"No, you're not."

THIS gets my voice up in volume. "It's on my schedule. I'd *best* be
teaching it tonight."

She flees with promises to "be right back". Another former student
brings me a desktop with a minor (albeit weird) problem to fix while she
tries to figure out what the fuck is going on.

She returns a half-hour later, all apologies. "The class was cancelled
because there's only three students in it."

So, not only am I down the cost to commute ($40 a night in mileage), but
I also don't have work for this class AND I turned down another gig to
DO this class. All told, out a half-month's wages for this job.

Now, by ma.us law I showed up for work and there wasn't any - I am
entitled to three hours pay, regardless.

God's mercy on them if they don't pay up promptly - because they will
get one excuse before I correct them, then it's calls to the state labor
relations board, the IRS and the accreditation people for all of the
bullshit they've been doing that's illegal.

She even tried to tell me, "Oh, we'd never pull work away from another
adjunct like this," and was visibly shocked and annoyed when I laughed
in her face and replied, "Are you kidding? That happens all the time here."

Bah. Fuck them. Get ready to turn the keys.




[0] You've heard the saga of their illegal dealings already, I won't
re-iterate them.
[1] Let's set aside for the moment this M*cr*s*ft certification hasn't
been available for a year...

--
The word "urgent" is the moral of the story "The boy who cried wolf". As
a general rule I don't believe it until a manager comes to me almost in
tears. I like to catch them in a cup and drink them later.
-- Matt Holiab, in the Monastery

Lawns 'R' Us

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Apr 27, 2012, 6:36:35 PM4/27/12
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On 2012-04-27, Cipher <nota...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Now, by ma.us law I showed up for work and there wasn't any - I am
> entitled to three hours pay, regardless.

Damn straight. A lack of organisation on their part should not result
in a loss of money on your part.

Give 'em hell.

ObUnrecovery: Tbg pnyyrq ng 6nz lrfgreqnl. Guvatf jrer Oebxra. Fb V
ybttrq ba, fgnegrq cbxvat nebhaq. Gheaf bhg gung gur onpxhc flfgrz jnf
pynvzvat gung gur yvoenel arrqrq znahny vagreiragvba. Ubc bagb gur Jro
THV. Abcr, ab fvta bs ceboyrzf gurer. Tbg gur bcf gb tb unir na
rlronyy. Abcr, ab fvta bs ceboyrzf gurer. Bxnl, obhapr gur onpxhc
frjre. Vg pbzrf onpx hc, rirelguvat frrzf gb or va beqre. Jngpu vg sbe
n srj zvahgrf, gura tb unir n fubjre, oernxsnfg, trg qerffrq, urnq
vagb jbex.

Abj, $PHFGBZRE vf, gb chg vg cbyvgryl, engure nqirefnevny. Gurl vafvfg
hcba n ebbg pnhfr. Zl erfcbafr (naq gur erfcbafr bs zl pbyyrnthr jub
abeznyyl znantrf guvf nppbhag'f onpxhc flfgrzf ba n qnl gb qnl onfvf)
vf gung jr _oryvrir_ gur bcf yrsg gur qbbe bcra, naq dhvrgyl pybfrq vg
jura jr nfxrq gurz gb ybbx. Ohg jr qba'g _xabj_ guvf sbe pregnva.
$PHFGBZRE fgngrf gung guvf vf hanpprcgnoyr, gurl qba'g unir snvgu va
hf, vg fbhaqf yvxr n pbire hc, yrg'f erpbairar ng 4cz jvgu n sbezny,
bssvpvny ebbg pnhfr.

4cz ebyyf nebhaq. $FQZ[0] fgngrf, syng bhg, gung jr xabj vg gb unir
orra gur yvoenel qbbe, gung jr'ir fcbxra gb gur bcrengbe jub'f
pbasvezrq vg, naq rirelguvat'f tbbq. Va snpg, gur bcrengbe va dhrfgvba
jnf ba fuvsg rneyl va gur zbeavat, unf ybat fvapr tbar ubzr, gurer'f
ab jnl va uryy jr'ir fcbxra gb uvz, naq ab jnl jr pna whfgvsl gur
fgngrzrag gung "guvf vf jung unccrarq", engure guna "guvf vf jung
_cebonoyl_ unccrarq."

Gung chgf zr va na hagranoyr cbfvgvba. Ba gur bar unaq, vs V xrrc zl
zbhgu fuhg, V'z pbzcyvpvg va $FQZ'f nffregvba. Ba gur bgure unaq, vs V
fcrnx hc naq pbeerpg $FQZ, va sebag bs gur phfgbzre, vg nqqf shry gb
gur nqirefnevny angher bs gur eryngvbafuvc.

Fb V xrcg zl zbhgu fuhg, ohg Gurer Jvyy Or Jbeqf Unq ba Zbaqnl, nsgre
V'ir pnyzrq qbja rabhtu gb abg vagrefcrefr zl pbzzragf jvgu jbeqf naq
cuenfrf yvxr "shpxvat zbeba", "qvcfuvg", "zbhgu oernguvat Puryfrn
fhccbegre", naq fvzvyne. Lbh zvtug nethr gung vg'f hayvxryl gb pbzr
onpx naq ovgr hf, naq V jbhyq nterr. Ohg gung'f abg gur cbvag. V gnxr
cevqr va orvat bcra naq ubarfg nobhg jung'f tbvat ba. V pbafvqre gehfg
gb or _pevgvpny_ va guvf wbo. Guebj gung njnl, naq lbh'er n qrnq zna
jnyxvat.

[0] Freivpr Qryvirel Znantre.

Wojciech Derechowski

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Apr 28, 2012, 1:46:47 AM4/28/12
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On 2012-04-27, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:

> Fb V xrcg zl zbhgu fuhg, ohg Gurer Jvyy Or Jbeqf Unq ba Zbaqnl, nsgre
> V'ir pnyzrq qbja rabhtu gb abg vagrefcrefr zl pbzzragf jvgu jbeqf naq
> cuenfrf yvxr "shpxvat zbeba", "qvcfuvg", "zbhgu oernguvat Puryfrn
> fhccbegre", naq fvzvyne. Lbh zvtug nethr gung vg'f hayvxryl gb pbzr
> onpx naq ovgr hf, naq V jbhyq nterr. Ohg gung'f abg gur cbvag. V gnxr
> cevqr va orvat bcra naq ubarfg nobhg jung'f tbvat ba. V pbafvqre gehfg
> gb or _pevgvpny_ va guvf wbo. Guebj gung njnl, naq lbh'er n qrnq zna
> jnyxvat.

If $SDM job is what I think it is, then it's not the first time that
a salesperson puts an engineer in an untenable position in front of
the customer.

But keeping your mouth shut makes you another salesdroid and harms the
relationship too. So speak up. That way you may preserve what's left
of the customer trust.

It makes you difficult and not a team player (unemployed?), but becoming
a zombie is worse. That's in so far as the metaphysics of morals
is concerned.

WD
--
Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?

Niklas Karlsson

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Apr 28, 2012, 9:11:01 AM4/28/12
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On 2012-04-27, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:
> On 2012-04-27, Cipher <nota...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Now, by ma.us law I showed up for work and there wasn't any - I am
>> entitled to three hours pay, regardless.
>
> Damn straight. A lack of organisation on their part should not result
> in a loss of money on your part.
>
> Give 'em hell.

Concur.

[snip story of lying sales"person"]

Not cool. Definitely Have Words.

My story at least didn't involve customer-facing tension. It's more of a
sysadmin classic, I suppose.

Onpxhc wbo sbe $OHVYQFREIRE unq orra snvyvat fvapr gur raq bs gur
cerivbhf jrrx. Vg'f fhccbfrq gb rkpergr n mvc svyr shyy bs
fnavgl-punyyratvat KZY va erfcbafr gb n ERFG NCV pnyy frag ol jtrg, ohg
jtrg jnf fhqqrayl trggvat n 401.

$QRIRYBCRE, jub'f gur nqzva bs gur ohvyq freire, unccraf gb jnaqre ol
gur flfnqzva cvg, fb V pnyy bhg.

Zr: Url, qvq lbh punatr fbzrguvat va $OHVYQFREIRE ng gur raq bs ynfg
jrrx? Gur onpxhc hfre qbrfa'g frrz gb or nyybjrq gb gevttre onpxhc
wbof nalzber.

$QRIRYBCRE, ybbxvat pbashfrq: Ab. V unira'g punatrq nalguvat.

Fvtu. Tb genjyvat guebhtu ybtf. Svaq fzbxvat tha; fnlf bhgevtug gung
Guhefqnl, $QRIRYBCRE erzbirq $ONPXHCHFRE sebz gur Nqzvavfgengbef tebhc.
Fvtu ntnva.

Sver hc pbecbengr VZ.

Zr: Jbhyq lbh yvxr gb erpbafvqre lbhe nafjre? [cnfgr ybt rkprecg]

$QRIRYBCRE: Huu... jung?

[gvzr cnffrf]

$QRIRYBCRE: Buu... evtug. Lrnu. V jnf pyrnavat fbzr fghss hc naq
erzbirq rirelbar ohg zlfrys naq $BGUREQRIRYBCRE sebz gur nqzva tebhc.
V'yy svk vg.

Fher rabhtu, onpxhc wbo fgnegf jbexvat ntnva. Shaal ubj vg qvqa'g pebff
uvf zvaq gung fgevccvat n hfre ynoryyrq nyy bire jvgu "HFRQ SBE ONPXHCF"
bs vgf nqzva evtugf whfg *zvtug* or n onq vqrn...

Niklas
--
Just because you *can* write a Java Virtual Machine in INTERCAL, that
doesn't mean you *should*.
-- David Cameron Staples makes the Understatement of the Year in asr

--
To the typical Mac end-user, Unix is mysterious, and ancient, and strong. It's
made of cast iron and the bones of heroic programmers of old.
-- Table and Chair, Slashdot

Niklas Karlsson

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Apr 28, 2012, 9:13:22 AM4/28/12
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On 2012-04-28, Niklas Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> wrote:
[double sig]

Oops. Really should keep my sigmonster disciplined, hmm?

Niklas
--
"Avoid hyperbole at all costs, its the most destructive argument on
the planet" - Mark McIntyre in comp.lang.c
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Shmuel Metz

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Apr 28, 2012, 11:33:00 PM4/28/12
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In <a028j5...@mid.individual.net>, on 04/28/2012
at 01:11 PM, Niklas Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> said:

>Fher rabhtu, onpxhc wbo fgnegf jbexvat ntnva. Shaal ubj vg qvqa'g
>pebff uvf zvaq gung fgevccvat n hfre ynoryyrq nyy bire jvgu "HFRQ SBE
>ONPXHCF" bs vgf nqzva evtugf whfg *zvtug* or n onq vqrn...

I'd be more concerned about the fact that he hadn't quite grasped the
concept of "changed". I hope that you explained to him with a blunt[1]
instrument that there is a difference between "Did you change
anything" and "Do you consider any of your changes relevant?".

[1] But with adequate momentum.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> ISO position
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)

Shmuel Metz

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Apr 28, 2012, 11:43:05 PM4/28/12
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In <slrnjpm7ri...@invalid.hostname.does.not.exist.666.au>, on
04/27/2012
at 10:36 PM, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> said:

>Fb V xrcg zl zbhgu fuhg, ohg Gurer Jvyy Or Jbeqf Unq ba Zbaqnl,

Fbzrgvzrf gung'f gur jebat erfcbafr. V jnf bapr vaibyirq jvgu n
qngnonfr gnvyberq gb gur phfgbzre'f fgngrzrag gung gur qngn punatrq
gjvpr n lrne; punatr gurz naq lbh unq gb erybnq. Jr pnershyyl
rkcynvarq guvf, naq fnvq gung vs hcqngvat zvtug or n erdhverzrag va
gur shgher gung jr jbhyq hfr n qvssrerag qrfvta gung zvtug abg or nf
snfg sbe dhrevrf. Gur phfgbzre vafvfgrq gung hcqngrf jrer abg na
vffhr.

Pbzrf gur fgnghf zrrgvat, naq gur phfgbzre'f obff nfxf jung nobhg
hcqngrf. Vafgrnq bs ervgrengvat gung vs vg'f na vffhr jr fubhyq bcg
sbe n qvssrerag qrfvta, zl cebwrpg yrnqre fnlf gung jr pna nyjnlf nqq
vg va gur shgher. Gur bssvpr znantre yngre gunaxf zr sbe abg oybjvat
hc va sebag bs gur phfgbzre. Jura V nfx gur cebwrpg znantre jul ur
yvrq nobhg gur bar guvat gung jr fnvq gung qrfvta pbhyqa'g unaqyr, ur
nafjrerq gung ur unq pbasvqrapr va zr.

BoCnhyUneirl Ng gur gvzr, V qvqa'g xabj gur erfg bs gur fgbel. Gur
phfgbzre'f obff qrfcvfrq gur cebwrpg znantre, naq unq V oybja hc ng
uvz vg jbhyq abg unir znqr hf ybbx onq.

Cipher

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Apr 29, 2012, 8:08:44 AM4/29/12
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On 4/27/2012 6:36 PM, Lawns 'R' Us wrote:
> 4cz ebyyf nebhaq. $FQZ[0] fgngrf, syng bhg, gung jr xabj vg gb unir
> orra gur yvoenel qbbe, gung jr'ir fcbxra gb gur bcrengbe jub'f
> pbasvezrq vg, naq rirelguvat'f tbbq. Va snpg, gur bcrengbe va dhrfgvba
> jnf ba fuvsg rneyl va gur zbeavat, unf ybat fvapr tbar ubzr, gurer'f
> ab jnl va uryy jr'ir fcbxra gb uvz, naq ab jnl jr pna whfgvsl gur
> fgngrzrag gung "guvf vf jung unccrarq", engure guna "guvf vf jung
> _cebonoyl_ unccrarq."

This is SOP at $job{day}, if only because the academic staff considers
IT to be lower than whale shit and a doormat. One of these idiots
actually told a newly-minted cow-orker "Well, people are going to yell
at the IT staff - you're going to have to get used to it."

It was all I could do to NOT come out of my chair swinging at him.

I can only imagine his surprise as we continue to roll out changes that
directly affect him, and when he tells us "No, I don't want that" and we
laugh in his face.

Oh, well. They keep me away from the staff for a reason.

Lawns 'R' Us

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Apr 29, 2012, 8:28:40 AM4/29/12
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On 2012-04-29, Shmuel Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
> In <slrnjpm7ri...@invalid.hostname.does.not.exist.666.au>, on
> 04/27/2012
> at 10:36 PM, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> said:
>
>>Fb V xrcg zl zbhgu fuhg, ohg Gurer Jvyy Or Jbeqf Unq ba Zbaqnl,
>
> Fbzrgvzrf gung'f gur jebat erfcbafr.

Gehr. Vs V xarj vg jnf yvxryl gb ovgr hf va gur onpxfvqr yngre ba, V
jbhyq unir cbyvgryl nfxrq n srj cbvagrq dhrfgvbaf. Vg'f abg yvxryl gb
pbzr onpx gb unhag hf, gubhtu, fb - tvira gur nagntbavfgvp nggvghqr
orvat gnxra ol $PHFGBZRE - V guvax xrrcvat zl zbhgu fuhg ng gur gvzr
jnf gur evtug guvat gb qb. Ol n irel aneebj znetva, V zvtug nqq, naq
V'z ubyqvat zl abfr nf V fnl vg; V ernyyl, ernyyl, _ernyyl_ qba'g yvxr
gung fvghngvba, naq V'z cenlvat gung vg arire pbzrf hc ntnva - orpnhfr
vs vg qbrf, gur bqqf ner gung V'yy nethr gur cbvag naq raq hc va fbzr
engure frevbhf gebhoyr nf n erfhyg ...

[...]

> BoCnhyUneirl Ng gur gvzr, V qvqa'g xabj gur erfg bs gur fgbel. Gur
> phfgbzre'f obff qrfcvfrq gur cebwrpg znantre, naq unq V oybja hc ng
> uvz vg jbhyq abg unir znqr hf ybbx onq.

V qba'g frr gung orvat gur pnfr urer. Pbagenpg erarjny artbgvngvbaf
ner tbvat ba, naq $PHFGBZRE vf gnxvat gur bccbeghavgl gb gnxr rirel
zvabe guvat naq ubyq vg ntnvafg hf. Juvpu V qrfcvfr nyzbfg nf zhpu nf
V qrfcvfr ylvat gb gur phfgbzre. V haqrefgnaq vg sebz n ohfvarff cbvag
bs ivrj, ohg V ivrj vg nf harguvpny. Juvpu, V thrff, vf jul V'yy or n
grpuvr sbe gur erfg bs zl yvsr ...

Cipher

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Apr 29, 2012, 9:20:44 AM4/29/12
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On 4/29/2012 8:28 AM, Lawns 'R' Us wrote:
>> > BoCnhyUneirl Ng gur gvzr, V qvqa'g xabj gur erfg bs gur fgbel. Gur
>> > phfgbzre'f obff qrfcvfrq gur cebwrpg znantre, naq unq V oybja hc ng
>> > uvz vg jbhyq abg unir znqr hf ybbx onq.
> V qba'g frr gung orvat gur pnfr urer. Pbagenpg erarjny artbgvngvbaf
> ner tbvat ba, naq $PHFGBZRE vf gnxvat gur bccbeghavgl gb gnxr rirel
> zvabe guvat naq ubyq vg ntnvafg hf. Juvpu V qrfcvfr nyzbfg nf zhpu nf
> V qrfcvfr ylvat gb gur phfgbzre. V haqrefgnaq vg sebz n ohfvarff cbvag
> bs ivrj, ohg V ivrj vg nf harguvpny. Juvpu, V thrff, vf jul V'yy or n
> grpuvr sbe gur erfg bs zl yvsr ...

And the reason this customer is not fired is because...?

Peter Corlett

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Apr 29, 2012, 9:23:55 AM4/29/12
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Cipher <nota...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> And the reason this customer is not fired is because...?

Almost certainly because a manager is empire-building and is maximising
turnover, and to hell with profit.

Lawns 'R' Us

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Apr 29, 2012, 5:39:26 PM4/29/12
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That's the way it seems on my end. The really fun part is, the
customer needs us, in some ways, more than we need them. If the
account team would just realise it and grow at least one spine between
them, we'd be in a much better place. Ho hum.

TimC

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Apr 30, 2012, 5:54:01 AM4/30/12
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On 2012-04-29, Shmuel Metz (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> In <slrnjpm7ri...@invalid.hostname.does.not.exist.666.au>, on
> 04/27/2012
> at 10:36 PM, Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> said:
>
>>Fb V xrcg zl zbhgu fuhg, ohg Gurer Jvyy Or Jbeqf Unq ba Zbaqnl,
...
> Pbzrf gur fgnghf zrrgvat, naq gur phfgbzre'f obff nfxf jung nobhg
> hcqngrf. Vafgrnq bs ervgrengvat gung vs vg'f na vffhr jr fubhyq bcg
> sbe n qvssrerag qrfvta, zl cebwrpg yrnqre fnlf gung jr pna nyjnlf nqq
> vg va gur shgher. Gur bssvpr znantre yngre gunaxf zr sbe abg oybjvat
> hc va sebag bs gur phfgbzre. Jura V nfx gur cebwrpg znantre jul ur
> yvrq nobhg gur bar guvat gung jr fnvq gung qrfvta pbhyqa'g unaqyr, ur
> nafjrerq gung ur unq pbasvqrapr va zr.
>
> BoCnhyUneirl Ng gur gvzr, V qvqa'g xabj gur erfg bs gur fgbel. Gur
> phfgbzre'f obff qrfcvfrq gur cebwrpg znantre, naq unq V oybja hc ng
> uvz vg jbhyq abg unir znqr hf ybbx onq.

mnpgyl. Vs fnvq phfgbzre vf nqirefnevny, vg znl or orpnhfr fnvq
fnyrfjrnfry unf cebzvfrq haqryvirerq fuvg va gur cnfg.

--
TimC
"It occurred to me this morning that many system design flaws
can be traced to unwarrantedly anthropomorphizing the user."
-- Steven...@dartmouth.edu, in rec.humor.funny

Niklas Karlsson

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Apr 30, 2012, 6:16:17 AM4/30/12
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On 2012-04-30, TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
> mnpgyl. Vs fnvq phfgbzre vf nqirefnevny, vg znl or orpnhfr fnvq
> fnyrfjrnfry unf cebzvfrq haqryvirerq fuvg va gur cnfg.

Well, I would be fairly happy with the shit staying undelivered, unless
it was a manure supplier I was dealing with.

Niklas
--
Fortran, with its newfangled mixed-case name (note that even C has
not yet advanced to a mixed-case name) [...]
-- Eric Sosman in comp.lang.c

Cipher

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May 1, 2012, 6:24:16 PM5/1/12
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On 4/28/2012 9:11 AM, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> On 2012-04-27, Lawns 'R' Us<nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-04-27, Cipher<nota...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Now, by ma.us law I showed up for work and there wasn't any - I am
>>> entitled to three hours pay, regardless.
>>
>> Damn straight. A lack of organisation on their part should not result
>> in a loss of money on your part.
>>
>> Give 'em hell.
>
> Concur.

We'll see. New site coordinator wants to have a meeting to "talk about a
few things" tomorrow. I'll keep the monastery updated on the level of
fucked-up they (and I) achieve. I suspect it's over 9000.

Let's see how they react to someone who's willing to go nuclear. The IRS
still has a reward program for turning in tax evaders, right?

mrob...@att.net

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May 2, 2012, 2:47:55 AM5/2/12
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Cipher <nota...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The IRS still has a reward program for turning in tax evaders, right?

There are two. One is for any amount and one is for amounts over two
megadollars.

Protip: Make sure *your own* taxes are squeaky clean before pushing that
button.

Matt Roberds

Cipher

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May 3, 2012, 2:07:54 PM5/3/12
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obWTFF:

V qba'g yvxr zrrgvatf. Gurl hfhnyyl tb ba sne gbb ybat naq gur gbcvpf
qevsg jbefr guna hfrarg.

V ybngur "gbhpul-srryrl" zrrgvatf[1] orpnhfr gurl'er n pbzcyrgr jnfgr bs
gvzr; abguvat unf rire tbggra nppbzcyvfurq va bar bs gubfr gb zl
bofreingvbaf.

V qrfcvfr jvgu gur sbepr bs n gubhfnaq fhaf univat zl gvzr jnfgrq. V
unir cerpvbhf yvggyr bs gung gb jnfgr.

Fb, V sbetb zl hfhny fpurqhyr[2] gb trg ernql gb "qvfphff n srj guvatf".
Yrnir ubzr rneyl, trg gb $wbo{avtug} rneyvre guna hfhny.

Fur'f abg gurer.

Fur qvqa'g pbzr va gbqnl.

Fb, gur fnzr crefba jub qvqa'g unir gur pbzcrgrapr gb hafpurqhyr n
pynff, jub pna'g or obgurerq gb yrg zr xabj vs V unir n wbo nsgre guvf
pynff plpyr, jub oht zr ivn cubar sbe guvf zrrgvat... qba'g shpxvat fubj
hc naq pna'g frrz gb unir gur qrprapl gb abgvsl zr bs gung, rvgure.

Tencr ure naq ure zrrgvat. Vg'yy unccra ba zl fpurqhyr abg be abg ng nyy.

Vf gurer n pnzchf qverpgbe ng $wbo{avtug} jub vfa'g tebffyl vapbzcrgrag?

Shmuel Metz

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May 4, 2012, 6:03:00 AM5/4/12
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In <jnuhh6$b5j$1...@dont-email.me>, on 05/03/2012
at 02:07 PM, Cipher <nota...@hotmail.com> said:

>V ybngur "gbhpul-srryrl" zrrgvatf[1]

Missing footnote.

>Fb, V sbetb zl hfhny fpurqhyr[2]

Missing footnote.

>Fur'f abg gurer.

Lbh qvq ovyy sbe gur gvzr, V ubcr.

Cipher

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May 4, 2012, 3:50:43 PM5/4/12
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On 5/4/2012 6:03 AM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> In<jnuhh6$b5j$1...@dont-email.me>, on 05/03/2012
> at 02:07 PM, Cipher<nota...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> V ybngur "gbhpul-srryrl" zrrgvatf[1]
>
> Missing footnote.

[1] No, not that kind.

>> Fb, V sbetb zl hfhny fpurqhyr[2]

[2] Gjragl-ubhe qnl, gjb ubhe anc va gur zvqqyr. N pna xrrc gung
fpurqhyr sbe n fvk-qnl jrrx sbe n pbhcyr bs zbaguf orsber V ohea bhg.

> Missing footnote.
>
>> Fur'f abg gurer.
>
> Lbh qvq ovyy sbe gur gvzr, V ubcr.

Like they pay for that. Also part of the many problems.

Lawns 'R' Us

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May 4, 2012, 6:56:07 PM5/4/12
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On 2012-05-04, Cipher <nota...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/4/2012 6:03 AM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>> Lbh qvq ovyy sbe gur gvzr, V ubcr.
>
> Like they pay for that. Also part of the many problems.

Bill them. If they don't pay, small claims is your friend (assuming,
of course, that you don't care too much about the ongoing
relationship.) If you _do_ care about the ongoing relationship, keep
records of the bills you've sent them that they haven't paid, and why
you billed them ... and save them up for when you finally do decide to
bite the bullet and get the hell out of Dodge.

ObRecovery: V unir n pubvpr. V pna fgnl va Flqarl, fuvsgvat wbof gb n
pbafyhggvat tvt, be V pna fgnl jvgu gur pbzcnal V'z pheeragyl rzcyblrq
ol, naq erybpngr gb zl ubzr pvgl. V'z yrnavat gbjneqf gur ynggre, rira
xabjvat gung vg'f uvtuyl yvxryl gung $PB-JBEXRE (jub V unir n ybg bs
erfcrpg sbe) jvyy cvpx hc gur pbafyhggvat tvt gung V'yy yrnir oruvaq.
Ur'f onqyl oheavat bhg sebz gur fgerff naq ynpx bs znantrzrag fhccbeg,
naq vg jbhyqa'g fhecevfr zr vs gur pbzcnal gevrf gb chfu zr gb svyy
gur ibvq yrsg oruvaq.

Gur xrl qvssrerapr: ur tvirf n qnza, naq qbrfa'g xabj ubj gb ghea vg
bss. V tvir n qnza, ohg bayl fb sne nf gur phfgbzre tvirf n qnza. Vs
gurl jnag gb guebj veeryrinapvrf nebhaq, V'z unccl gb cynl gung tnzr
(xrrcvat pnershy erpbeqf bs gur veeryrinapvrf fb guebja nebhaq fb V
pna chyy bhg gur svyr nf nzzhavgvba vs arprffnel) - nsgre nyy, V'z
trggvat cnvq rvgure jnl. Cebf naq pbaf rvgure jnl, ohg V guvax V arrq
gb trg onpx gb zl vzzrqvngr snzvyl; gjb lrnef va rkvyr vf ybat rabhtu,
V guvax.

Cipher

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May 12, 2012, 8:34:16 PM5/12/12
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On 5/4/2012 6:56 PM, Lawns 'R' Us wrote:
> On 2012-05-04, Cipher<nota...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/4/2012 6:03 AM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>>> Lbh qvq ovyy sbe gur gvzr, V ubcr.
>>
>> Like they pay for that. Also part of the many problems.
>
> Bill them. If they don't pay, small claims is your friend (assuming,
> of course, that you don't care too much about the ongoing
> relationship.) If you _do_ care about the ongoing relationship, keep
> records of the bills you've sent them that they haven't paid, and why
> you billed them ... and save them up for when you finally do decide to
> bite the bullet and get the hell out of Dodge.

Sweet baby Jesus, they actually paid for the class they failed to cancel
without my having to threaten the small-b bastards.
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