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Just zis Guy, you know?
Feb 22, 2012, 1:53:22 PM2/22/12
to
I have just removed the word "scale" from every one of the many
(inconsistently capitalised) instances of the phrase "estimated time
scale X hours" in an application migration cutover plan. Luckily I am
WFH today or I would have readjusted the author's attitude.
I have also removed "Yvahk Erq Ung", recapitalised and respaced the
variants on erqung and spillchucked it.
For some reason this gentleman cannot see why I would not trust a
document displaying this level of Clue.
Guy
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(inconsistently capitalised) instances of the phrase "estimated time
scale X hours" in an application migration cutover plan. Luckily I am
WFH today or I would have readjusted the author's attitude.
I have also removed "Yvahk Erq Ung", recapitalised and respaced the
variants on erqung and spillchucked it.
For some reason this gentleman cannot see why I would not trust a
document displaying this level of Clue.
Guy
--
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The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed
to be worth at least what you paid for them.
TimC
Feb 22, 2012, 8:46:50 PM2/22/12
to
On 2012-02-22, Just zis Guy, you know? (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
Estimated time would mean when you estimate something will happen.
Estimated time scale would mean how long you estimate that something
will take.
I hope this isn't some cultural thing where Americans drop a very
important word from a sentence and expect it to still make sense.
Like missing the "to" from "write your senator". I can't write him,
he doesn't smear over the page correctly (although I sort of wish he
would)!
Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from
a spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to
say Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last
"a"s are actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's
almost impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
--
TimC
Skywalker> You are either with me, or you are my enemy.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. -- Obi Wan Kenobi on George Bush Jnr
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> I have just removed the word "scale" from every one of the many
> (inconsistently capitalised) instances of the phrase "estimated time
> scale X hours" in an application migration cutover plan.
Depends what you mean.
> (inconsistently capitalised) instances of the phrase "estimated time
> scale X hours" in an application migration cutover plan.
Estimated time would mean when you estimate something will happen.
Estimated time scale would mean how long you estimate that something
will take.
I hope this isn't some cultural thing where Americans drop a very
important word from a sentence and expect it to still make sense.
Like missing the "to" from "write your senator". I can't write him,
he doesn't smear over the page correctly (although I sort of wish he
would)!
Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from
a spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to
say Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last
"a"s are actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's
almost impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
--
TimC
Skywalker> You are either with me, or you are my enemy.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. -- Obi Wan Kenobi on George Bush Jnr
Garrett Wollman
Feb 22, 2012, 11:32:59 PM2/22/12
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In article <132996122...@hexane.ssi.swin.edu.au>,
preposition with "write" and many other verbs. (Compare "tell".)
Perhaps OzE is lacking some useful flexibility.
>Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from
>a spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to
>say Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last
>"a"s are actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's
>almost impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
Presumably you realize the <a>s here as [&] rather than [A] or [a].
(Or are they all the way into [e] for you? I'm not terribly up on OzE
phonology.)
-GAWollman
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wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
>I hope this isn't some cultural thing where Americans drop a very
>important word from a sentence and expect it to still make sense.
>Like missing the "to" from "write your senator". I can't write him,
>he doesn't smear over the page correctly (although I sort of wish he
>would)!
The word "to" is not missing. Indirect objects do not require a
>I hope this isn't some cultural thing where Americans drop a very
>important word from a sentence and expect it to still make sense.
>Like missing the "to" from "write your senator". I can't write him,
>he doesn't smear over the page correctly (although I sort of wish he
>would)!
preposition with "write" and many other verbs. (Compare "tell".)
Perhaps OzE is lacking some useful flexibility.
>Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from
>a spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to
>say Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last
>"a"s are actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's
>almost impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
(Or are they all the way into [e] for you? I'm not terribly up on OzE
phonology.)
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Peter Corlett
Feb 23, 2012, 5:49:36 PM2/23/12
to
TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
[...]
Cr'y'n. For a while, I had also been wondering where this London commuter
town of Fort Neath was since it sounded a bit Scottish, but I eventually
discovered that it was spelled "Thornton Heath".
(Me, I've taken to occasionally referring to my district as Furcureq'f Zvatr
just to see who claims to be offended by it.)
[...]
> Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from a
> spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to say
> Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last "a"s are
> actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's almost
> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
See also the scumhole to the south of London that goes by the name of
> spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to say
> Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last "a"s are
> actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's almost
> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
Cr'y'n. For a while, I had also been wondering where this London commuter
town of Fort Neath was since it sounded a bit Scottish, but I eventually
discovered that it was spelled "Thornton Heath".
(Me, I've taken to occasionally referring to my district as Furcureq'f Zvatr
just to see who claims to be offended by it.)
Erwan David
Feb 23, 2012, 5:52:04 PM2/23/12
to
ab...@mooli.org.uk (Peter Corlett) disait le 02/23/12 que :
> TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
> [...]
>> Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from a
>> spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to say
>> Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last "a"s are
>> actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's almost
>> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
>
> See also the scumhole to the south of London that goes by the name of
> Cr'y'n. For a while, I had also been wondering where this London commuter
> town of Fort Neath was since it sounded a bit Scottish, but I eventually
> discovered that it was spelled "Thornton Heath".
Must be near F't-W'm (I actually saw this one on a road sign...)
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les riches l'auraient accaparé
> TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
> [...]
>> Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from a
>> spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to say
>> Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last "a"s are
>> actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's almost
>> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
>
> See also the scumhole to the south of London that goes by the name of
> Cr'y'n. For a while, I had also been wondering where this London commuter
> town of Fort Neath was since it sounded a bit Scottish, but I eventually
> discovered that it was spelled "Thornton Heath".
--
Le travail n'est pas une bonne chose. Si ça l'était,
les riches l'auraient accaparé
Alan J Rosenthal
Feb 23, 2012, 6:21:54 PM2/23/12
to
TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> writes:
>I hope this isn't some cultural thing where Americans drop a very
>important word from a sentence and expect it to still make sense.
>Like missing the "to" from "write your senator". I can't write him,
>he doesn't smear over the page correctly
Ok, for example certainly you have to say "spit on your senator" instead
>I hope this isn't some cultural thing where Americans drop a very
>important word from a sentence and expect it to still make sense.
>Like missing the "to" from "write your senator". I can't write him,
>he doesn't smear over the page correctly
of "spit your senator", if the senator is the target rather than being
the spittle.
But "write" doesn't function similarly for everyone. Could you say "call
your senator" instead of "call to your senator"? "E-mail your senator"
instead of "e-mail to your senator"? This is how "write" functions in
the sentence you despise. My dialect also admits of this use of "write".
When someone says "don't forget to write!" they are using this targetted
meaning of write. They would not be satisfied by the fact that you wrote
a C program instead of writing to them.
SteveD
Feb 23, 2012, 6:42:42 PM2/23/12
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 04:32:59 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett
Wollman) wrote:
>The word "to" is not missing. Indirect objects do not require a
>preposition with "write" and many other verbs. (Compare "tell".)
>Perhaps OzE is lacking some useful flexibility.
Aren't the full forms in those cases "I tell the senator" and "I write a
Wollman) wrote:
>The word "to" is not missing. Indirect objects do not require a
>preposition with "write" and many other verbs. (Compare "tell".)
>Perhaps OzE is lacking some useful flexibility.
letter to the senator"?
Would the senator still count as an indirect object in the second case?
-SteveD
Joe Thompson
Feb 23, 2012, 8:05:10 PM2/23/12
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On 2012-02-23, TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
> On 2012-02-22, Just zis Guy, you know? (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> I have just removed the word "scale" from every one of the many
>> (inconsistently capitalised) instances of the phrase "estimated time
>> scale X hours" in an application migration cutover plan.
>
> Depends what you mean.
>
> Estimated time would mean when you estimate something will happen.
>
> Estimated time scale would mean how long you estimate that something
> will take.
Clearly here we are talking about duration, so "estimated time" in the
> On 2012-02-22, Just zis Guy, you know? (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> I have just removed the word "scale" from every one of the many
>> (inconsistently capitalised) instances of the phrase "estimated time
>> scale X hours" in an application migration cutover plan.
>
> Depends what you mean.
>
> Estimated time would mean when you estimate something will happen.
>
> Estimated time scale would mean how long you estimate that something
> will take.
sense of "how much" rather than "when". "Estimated time scale" to me
means "are we talking hours, days, weeks or years?" -- a statement of
general magnitude.
But this is one of those times when clarity is essential, so it ought
to be written "estimated duration" for the latter case and "estimated
completion time" for the former, or similar constructions. -- Joe
--
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Julian Macassey
Feb 23, 2012, 8:57:04 PM2/23/12
to
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:49:36 +0000 (UTC), Peter Corlett
<ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>
> See also the scumhole to the south of London that goes by the name of
> Cr'y'n. For a while, I had also been wondering where this London commuter
> town of Fort Neath was since it sounded a bit Scottish, but I eventually
> discovered that it was spelled "Thornton Heath".
Then there is "Oban", which in Lunnon is Holbern and in
<ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>
> See also the scumhole to the south of London that goes by the name of
> Cr'y'n. For a while, I had also been wondering where this London commuter
> town of Fort Neath was since it sounded a bit Scottish, but I eventually
> discovered that it was spelled "Thornton Heath".
Scotlan Oban.
>
> (Me, I've taken to occasionally referring to my district as Furcureq'f Zvatr
> just to see who claims to be offended by it.)
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Shmuel Metz
Feb 23, 2012, 9:31:15 PM2/23/12
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In <2012Feb23.1...@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>, on 02/23/2012
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at 11:21 PM, fl...@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) said:
>Ok, for example certainly you have to say "spit on your senator"
>instead of "spit your senator", if the senator is the target rather
>than being the spittle.
The target of what? Google for Vlad.
>Ok, for example certainly you have to say "spit on your senator"
>instead of "spit your senator", if the senator is the target rather
>than being the spittle.
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LP
Feb 24, 2012, 5:28:11 AM2/24/12
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On 2012-02-23, Erwan David <er...@rail.eu.org> wrote:
>
> Must be near F't-W'm (I actually saw this one on a road sign...)
If you come of the M5 at the right junction, my bit of the southwest
>
> Must be near F't-W'm (I actually saw this one on a road sign...)
is abbreviated as sh'ton on the lane markings.
-Paul
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Mike Andrews
Feb 24, 2012, 8:04:26 AM2/24/12
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LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjkepmi...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
> On 2012-02-23, Erwan David <er...@rail.eu.org> wrote:
>>
>> Must be near F't-W'm (I actually saw this one on a road sign...)
>
> If you come of the M5 at the right junction, my bit of the southwest
> is abbreviated as sh'ton on the lane markings.
Seems appropriate.
--
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taking illogical, pointless orders from morons and having their will to
live systematically crushed. And that's the teachers. Think what it's like
for the kids! -- after Rayner, in the Monastery
> On 2012-02-23, Erwan David <er...@rail.eu.org> wrote:
>>
>> Must be near F't-W'm (I actually saw this one on a road sign...)
>
> If you come of the M5 at the right junction, my bit of the southwest
> is abbreviated as sh'ton on the lane markings.
--
Judging by this particular thread, many people in this group spend years
taking illogical, pointless orders from morons and having their will to
live systematically crushed. And that's the teachers. Think what it's like
for the kids! -- after Rayner, in the Monastery
c...@nospam.netunix.com
Feb 24, 2012, 8:58:18 AM2/24/12
to
Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
> LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjkepmi...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
>
> > On 2012-02-23, Erwan David <er...@rail.eu.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Must be near F't-W'm (I actually saw this one on a road sign...)
> >
> > If you come of the M5 at the right junction, my bit of the southwest
> > is abbreviated as sh'ton on the lane markings.
>
> Seems appropriate.
And I get WSM which is at least a common abbreviation.
> LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjkepmi...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
>
> > On 2012-02-23, Erwan David <er...@rail.eu.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Must be near F't-W'm (I actually saw this one on a road sign...)
> >
> > If you come of the M5 at the right junction, my bit of the southwest
> > is abbreviated as sh'ton on the lane markings.
>
> Seems appropriate.
--
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Joe Zeff
Feb 24, 2012, 1:22:53 PM2/24/12
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:46:50 +1100, TimC wrote:
> Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from a
> spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to say
> Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last "a"s
> are actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's almost
> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many of
> Australians have a different fault. We drop all important vowels from a
> spoken word. Especially town names. I finally worked out how to say
> Tallangatta when I realised this rule, except the second and last "a"s
> are actually almost the proper duration. Probably because it's almost
> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and the
proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form. People who grow up
here get the names right without thinking because they're used to it, but
it's often hard to figure out what newcomers are talking about. My Dad
used to tell a story about when he first came out here and didn't know
that La Jolla was pronounced "La Hoya." And, you really, really don't
want to hear a GPS try to pronounce Tierra Rejada.
--
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http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
The world is made by the people who show up for the job.
Garrett Wollman
Feb 24, 2012, 4:01:29 PM2/24/12
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In article <87ty2gb...@Leonato.Messina>,
>
>To distinguish between roles of indirect objects you need different
>prepositions:
>Write to.
>Write for.
>Write about.
>Write on.
*None* of these have indirect objects.
>>>Perhaps OzE is lacking some useful flexibility.
>
>OzE maintains the flexibility by retaining the specificity.
>Murricans have lost flexibility by assuming the common case is the
>only case.
Bullshit.
>> and "I write a letter to the senator"?
>>
>> Would the senator still count as an indirect object in the second case?
>
>The letter is the direct object, and the senator the indirect.
There is no indirect object in the quoted sentence, only a direct
object.
Mark L Pappin <m...@acm.org> wrote:
>> wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>
>>>The word "to" is not missing. Indirect objects do not require a
>>>preposition with "write" and many other verbs. (Compare "tell".)
>
><peeve mode=on>
>> wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett Wollman) wrote:
>>
>>>The word "to" is not missing. Indirect objects do not require a
>>>preposition with "write" and many other verbs. (Compare "tell".)
>
>
>To distinguish between roles of indirect objects you need different
>prepositions:
>Write to.
>Write for.
>Write about.
>Write on.
*None* of these have indirect objects.
>>>Perhaps OzE is lacking some useful flexibility.
>
>Murricans have lost flexibility by assuming the common case is the
>only case.
Bullshit.
>> and "I write a letter to the senator"?
>>
>> Would the senator still count as an indirect object in the second case?
>
There is no indirect object in the quoted sentence, only a direct
object.
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David Cameron Staples
Feb 24, 2012, 5:51:38 PM2/24/12
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 22:33:24 +0000, roger wrote:
> On 2012-02-24, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>> used to tell a story about when he first came out here and didn't know
>> that La Jolla was pronounced "La Hoya." And, you really, really don't
>> want to hear a GPS try to pronounce Tierra Rejada.
>
> Some friends of mine swear a rental Renault they once hired for a
> holiday in Wales had a french accident on the built in satnav.
>
> It nearly caused more than one accident , due to the distractions and
> laughter in repsonse to it's attempts to pronounce place names , before
> it was put out of it misery.
I presume it was mercifully put out of its misery before it exploded.
> On 2012-02-24, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>> used to tell a story about when he first came out here and didn't know
>> that La Jolla was pronounced "La Hoya." And, you really, really don't
>> want to hear a GPS try to pronounce Tierra Rejada.
>
> holiday in Wales had a french accident on the built in satnav.
>
> It nearly caused more than one accident , due to the distractions and
> laughter in repsonse to it's attempts to pronounce place names , before
> it was put out of it misery.
I presume it was mercifully put out of its misery before it exploded.
Julian Macassey
Feb 25, 2012, 1:15:40 AM2/25/12
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On 24 Feb 2012 18:22:53 GMT, Joe Zeff
to go to "La Hoya"for a meeting.I was told it was off the 5
Freeway north of San Diego. I could see on th emap La Jolla, but
not La Hoya. Then they explained it to me.
Now I live where we have Castillo, Cabrillo and one other
illo street.I call thise the Brillo streets, as in the scouring
pads.
Then the people hear say Islay street as Iz Lay street
and won't say I Lay street. So fuck'em, its Cab-Brillo St, not
Cab-Bree-ho St.
<the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>
>> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
>
> I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many of
> the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and the
> proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form. People who grow up
> here get the names right without thinking because they're used to it, but
> it's often hard to figure out what newcomers are talking about. My Dad
> used to tell a story about when he first came out here and didn't know
> that La Jolla was pronounced "La Hoya."
When I first came out to Southertn CAlifornia, I was told
>
>> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
>
> I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many of
> the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and the
> proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form. People who grow up
> here get the names right without thinking because they're used to it, but
> it's often hard to figure out what newcomers are talking about. My Dad
> used to tell a story about when he first came out here and didn't know
> that La Jolla was pronounced "La Hoya."
to go to "La Hoya"for a meeting.I was told it was off the 5
Freeway north of San Diego. I could see on th emap La Jolla, but
not La Hoya. Then they explained it to me.
Now I live where we have Castillo, Cabrillo and one other
illo street.I call thise the Brillo streets, as in the scouring
pads.
Then the people hear say Islay street as Iz Lay street
and won't say I Lay street. So fuck'em, its Cab-Brillo St, not
Cab-Bree-ho St.
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Peter Corlett
Feb 25, 2012, 7:24:49 AM2/25/12
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Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote:
[...]
uggc://nohfr.zbbyv.bet.hx/vfbzp.btt.
[...]
the natives seem to be quite happy to cut to the chase and just use "cunt"
or similar four-letter word at least twice per sentence.
[...]
> Then there is "Oban", which in Lunnon is Holbern and in Scotlan Oban.
Nicely spoofed in "In Search of Mornington Crescent" (978-1846071959); see
uggc://nohfr.zbbyv.bet.hx/vfbzp.btt.
[...]
> Minge? Still in common usage? I'm glad to hear it.
It seems to be somewhat archaic these days, but still understood. Many of
the natives seem to be quite happy to cut to the chase and just use "cunt"
or similar four-letter word at least twice per sentence.
Garrett Wollman
Feb 25, 2012, 1:46:21 PM2/25/12
to
In article <87ipive...@Leonato.Messina>,
>has an indirect object, if I'm not mistaken).
Yes, it does. The first object is the indirect object, the second
object is the direct object. Compare "I told my child a story."
>"I write to the senator." needs "to". Remove "to" and
>"I write the senator." states my authorship of an AI.
Bullshit. Compare "I told Mark." No direct object is required here.
>In using this phrasing but meaning the previous, Noah Webster (if it
>was he, as most language bizarrities from your landmass appear to be)
>was wrong and you(plural) continue to be.
Nothing bizarre about it (and nothing to do with Noah Webster,
either). "Write" works exactly the same as "tell" and numerous other
English verbs of communication. This is a standard piece of English
grammar (called a "ditransitive verb"), and the fact that your
minority dialect of English does not have it with "write" does not
make this usage WRONGITY WRONG WRONG WRONG, it simply means that you
speak a different dialect.
>Provide examples using an indirect object, distinguishing between the
>senator as recipient and piece of Lisp, or STFU about "indirect" and
>this particular broken idiom of US English once and for all.
You clearly don't know what the fsck you're talking about.
Mark L Pappin <m...@acm.org> wrote:
>"I write the senator a letter." does not need "to" (and coincidentally
>has an indirect object, if I'm not mistaken).
Yes, it does. The first object is the indirect object, the second
object is the direct object. Compare "I told my child a story."
>"I write to the senator." needs "to". Remove "to" and
>"I write the senator." states my authorship of an AI.
Bullshit. Compare "I told Mark." No direct object is required here.
>In using this phrasing but meaning the previous, Noah Webster (if it
>was he, as most language bizarrities from your landmass appear to be)
>was wrong and you(plural) continue to be.
Nothing bizarre about it (and nothing to do with Noah Webster,
either). "Write" works exactly the same as "tell" and numerous other
English verbs of communication. This is a standard piece of English
grammar (called a "ditransitive verb"), and the fact that your
minority dialect of English does not have it with "write" does not
make this usage WRONGITY WRONG WRONG WRONG, it simply means that you
speak a different dialect.
>Provide examples using an indirect object, distinguishing between the
>senator as recipient and piece of Lisp, or STFU about "indirect" and
>this particular broken idiom of US English once and for all.
You clearly don't know what the fsck you're talking about.
David Cameron Staples
Feb 25, 2012, 3:38:23 PM2/25/12
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 12:24:49 +0000, Peter Corlett wrote:
> Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote: [...]
> Julian Macassey <jul...@tele.com> wrote: [...]
>> Minge? Still in common usage? I'm glad to hear it.
>
> It seems to be somewhat archaic these days, but still understood. Many
> of the natives seem to be quite happy to cut to the chase and just use
> "cunt" or similar four-letter word at least twice per sentence.
How quaynte.
>
> It seems to be somewhat archaic these days, but still understood. Many
> of the natives seem to be quite happy to cut to the chase and just use
> "cunt" or similar four-letter word at least twice per sentence.
John F. Eldredge
Feb 25, 2012, 6:37:25 PM2/25/12
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 06:15:40 +0000, Julian Macassey wrote:
> On 24 Feb 2012 18:22:53 GMT, Joe Zeff
> <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>>
>>> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
>>
>> I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many of
>> the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and the
>> proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form. People who grow
>> up here get the names right without thinking because they're used to
>> it, but it's often hard to figure out what newcomers are talking about.
>> My Dad used to tell a story about when he first came out here and
>> didn't know that La Jolla was pronounced "La Hoya."
>
> When I first came out to Southertn CAlifornia, I was told
> to go to "La Hoya"for a meeting.I was told it was off the 5 Freeway
> north of San Diego. I could see on th emap La Jolla, but not La Hoya.
> Then they explained it to me.
>
> Now I live where we have Castillo, Cabrillo and one other
> illo street.I call thise the Brillo streets, as in the scouring pads.
>
> Then the people hear say Islay street as Iz Lay street
> and won't say I Lay street. So fuck'em, its Cab-Brillo St, not
> Cab-Bree-ho St.
I usually pronounce the name Xavier in the Spanish fashion, "Havier", but
> On 24 Feb 2012 18:22:53 GMT, Joe Zeff
> <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>>
>>> impossible to pronounce "Tllngtt".
>>
>> I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many of
>> the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and the
>> proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form. People who grow
>> up here get the names right without thinking because they're used to
>> it, but it's often hard to figure out what newcomers are talking about.
>> My Dad used to tell a story about when he first came out here and
>> didn't know that La Jolla was pronounced "La Hoya."
>
> When I first came out to Southertn CAlifornia, I was told
> to go to "La Hoya"for a meeting.I was told it was off the 5 Freeway
> north of San Diego. I could see on th emap La Jolla, but not La Hoya.
> Then they explained it to me.
>
> Now I live where we have Castillo, Cabrillo and one other
> illo street.I call thise the Brillo streets, as in the scouring pads.
>
> Then the people hear say Islay street as Iz Lay street
> and won't say I Lay street. So fuck'em, its Cab-Brillo St, not
> Cab-Bree-ho St.
this tends to confuse most English-only speakers, who expect it to be
pronounced "Exavier".
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly
is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
David Cameron Staples
Feb 25, 2012, 7:27:15 PM2/25/12
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:37:25 +0000, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> I usually pronounce the name Xavier in the Spanish fashion, "Havier",
> but this tends to confuse most English-only speakers, who expect it to
> be pronounced "Exavier".
That's a funny way of pronouncing /zavier/.
> I usually pronounce the name Xavier in the Spanish fashion, "Havier",
> but this tends to confuse most English-only speakers, who expect it to
> be pronounced "Exavier".
SteveD
Feb 25, 2012, 10:57:35 PM2/25/12
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:46:21 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett
Wollman) wrote:
>"Write" works exactly the same as "tell"
I write a letter.
Wollman) wrote:
>"Write" works exactly the same as "tell"
I create a letter.
I compose a letter.
I pen a letter.
I draft a letter.
I do not tell a letter.
I tell a senator.
I inform a senator.
I advise a senator.
I notify a senator.
I instruct a senator.
I do not write a senator.
'Write' is a verb of creation. 'Tell' is a verb of communication. They are
not interchangeable in most dialects.
-SteveD
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Garrett Wollman
Feb 26, 2012, 1:03:06 AM2/26/12
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In article <o2bjk75dvveu6i3d1...@4ax.com>,
The test for a ditransitive verb (as distinct from a regular
transitive verb that allows a beneficiary, like "pass" or "read") is
pretty simple: If the template "S Vs IObj DObj" is valid, the verb is
ditransitive if "S Vs DObj" and "S Vs IObj" are *both* valid. This is
true of some verbs, like "tell" and "give", and in the majority
dialect, it is also true of "write". You happen to speak a minority
dialect (presumably AusE) in which "write" has only transitive senses,
and not the ditransitive sense. (In the case of V in {"pass",
"read"}, this test appears to succeed, but on closer inspection, the
purported "S Vs IObj" form is a actually a completely different sense.
SteveD <use...@vo.id.au> wrote:
>On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:46:21 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett
>Wollman) wrote:
>
>>"Write" works exactly the same as "tell"
>
>I write a letter.
>I create a letter.
>I compose a letter.
>I pen a letter.
>I draft a letter.
>
>I do not tell a letter.
You do, on the other hand, tell a story.
>On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:46:21 +0000 (UTC), wol...@bimajority.org (Garrett
>Wollman) wrote:
>
>>"Write" works exactly the same as "tell"
>
>I write a letter.
>I create a letter.
>I compose a letter.
>I pen a letter.
>I draft a letter.
>
>I do not tell a letter.
The test for a ditransitive verb (as distinct from a regular
transitive verb that allows a beneficiary, like "pass" or "read") is
pretty simple: If the template "S Vs IObj DObj" is valid, the verb is
ditransitive if "S Vs DObj" and "S Vs IObj" are *both* valid. This is
true of some verbs, like "tell" and "give", and in the majority
dialect, it is also true of "write". You happen to speak a minority
dialect (presumably AusE) in which "write" has only transitive senses,
and not the ditransitive sense. (In the case of V in {"pass",
"read"}, this test appears to succeed, but on closer inspection, the
purported "S Vs IObj" form is a actually a completely different sense.
mrob...@att.net
Feb 26, 2012, 2:53:58 AM2/26/12
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Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
> I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many
> of the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and
> the proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form.
In Texas they sometimes go the other way. There is a city in Texas
> I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many
> of the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and
> the proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form.
whose name in English means "Yellow". I have pronounced it in my best
approximation to the Spanish, "Am-a-ree-yo", to more than one (non-
Hispanic) Texan. So far most of them have immediately corrected me to
"Am-a-ril-o".
> People who grow up here get the names right without thinking because
> they're used to it, but it's often hard to figure out what newcomers
> are talking about.
that area before statehood. I suspect some of the strange-looking names
on maps in both .wa.us and .ny.us have similar origins.
Matt Roberds
c...@nospam.netunix.com
Feb 26, 2012, 3:38:01 AM2/26/12
to
Garrett Wollman <wol...@bimajority.org> wrote:
>
> The test for a ditransitive verb (as distinct from a regular
> transitive verb that allows a beneficiary, like "pass" or "read") is
> pretty simple: If the template "S Vs IObj DObj" is valid, the verb is
> ditransitive if "S Vs DObj" and "S Vs IObj" are *both* valid. This is
> true of some verbs, like "tell" and "give", and in the majority
> dialect, it is also true of "write". You happen to speak a minority
> dialect (presumably AusE) in which "write" has only transitive senses,
> and not the ditransitive sense. (In the case of V in {"pass",
> "read"}, this test appears to succeed, but on closer inspection, the
> purported "S Vs IObj" form is a actually a completely different sense.
A horribly complicated explanation for a very simple fact, language
>
> The test for a ditransitive verb (as distinct from a regular
> transitive verb that allows a beneficiary, like "pass" or "read") is
> pretty simple: If the template "S Vs IObj DObj" is valid, the verb is
> ditransitive if "S Vs DObj" and "S Vs IObj" are *both* valid. This is
> true of some verbs, like "tell" and "give", and in the majority
> dialect, it is also true of "write". You happen to speak a minority
> dialect (presumably AusE) in which "write" has only transitive senses,
> and not the ditransitive sense. (In the case of V in {"pass",
> "read"}, this test appears to succeed, but on closer inspection, the
> purported "S Vs IObj" form is a actually a completely different sense.
is a living method of communication. The variant spoken in the USA
evolved in virtual isolation for several hundred years and is now
different in both syntax and sound to that spoken in the UK.
Both are valid in their own context.
English as she is spoke. Simples.
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Erwan David
Feb 26, 2012, 12:53:39 PM2/26/12
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mrob...@att.net disait le 02/26/12 que :
It is also strange for french people to hear the names of french origine
in midwest US... (Detroit, Des Moines, Baton Rouge, etc.)
--
Le travail n'est pas une bonne chose. Si ça l'était,
les riches l'auraient accaparé
in midwest US... (Detroit, Des Moines, Baton Rouge, etc.)
--
Le travail n'est pas une bonne chose. Si ça l'était,
les riches l'auraient accaparé
Robert Uhl
Feb 27, 2012, 8:15:37 AM2/27/12
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Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> writes:
>
> I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many of
> the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and the
> proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form.
Whereas in Texas the place names are of Spanish origin and the proper
>
> I live near .la.ca.us and we have our own pronunciation issue. Many of
> the place names in this neck of the woods are of Spanish origin and the
> proper pronunciation is, of course, the spanish form.
pronunciation is Anglicised: 'am-uh-ril-uh,' not 'ah-mah-ree-yo' for
'Amarillo,' 'san an-tohn,' not 'san an-toh-nee-oh' for 'San
Antonio'--even 'tex-iss,' not 'tay-hahss' for 'Texas.'
--
Robert A. Uhl
Joe Thompson
Feb 27, 2012, 1:31:50 PM2/27/12
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On 2012-02-26, Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote:
> rapbhagrerq gung ba gur xvq'f fubj "Pnvyybh".
My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
correct pronunciation of the name Elijah. -- Joe
--
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"There is no way my emacs is ever getting a credit card!" -- Matthew Vernon
> On 25 Feb 2012 23:37:25 GMT, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>> I usually pronounce the name Xavier in the Spanish fashion, "Havier", but
>> this tends to confuse most English-only speakers, who expect it to be
>> pronounced "Exavier".
>
> That, by the way, is the weirdest pronounciation of that name, to me. I
>> I usually pronounce the name Xavier in the Spanish fashion, "Havier", but
>> this tends to confuse most English-only speakers, who expect it to be
>> pronounced "Exavier".
>
> rapbhagrerq gung ba gur xvq'f fubj "Pnvyybh".
My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
correct pronunciation of the name Elijah. -- Joe
--
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Joe Zeff
Feb 27, 2012, 3:31:23 PM2/27/12
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:31:50 +0000, Joe Thompson wrote:
> My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
> correct pronunciation of the name Elijah. -- Joe
That all depends on what language you're speaking, doesn't it? As
> My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
> correct pronunciation of the name Elijah. -- Joe
another example, I doubt that many English speakers would accept "Yithro"
as a correct pronunciation of "Jethro," even though the former is the
original way it was said.
NT: Give us this day our daily BSOD.
Joe Thompson
Feb 27, 2012, 6:28:00 PM2/27/12
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On 2012-02-27, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:31:50 +0000, Joe Thompson wrote:
>
>> My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
>> correct pronunciation of the name Elijah. -- Joe
>
> That all depends on what language you're speaking, doesn't it? As
> another example, I doubt that many English speakers would accept "Yithro"
> as a correct pronunciation of "Jethro," even though the former is the
> original way it was said.
And in fact IIRC the point of "It's a Hebrew name, the transliteration
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:31:50 +0000, Joe Thompson wrote:
>
>> My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
>> correct pronunciation of the name Elijah. -- Joe
>
> That all depends on what language you're speaking, doesn't it? As
> another example, I doubt that many English speakers would accept "Yithro"
> as a correct pronunciation of "Jethro," even though the former is the
> original way it was said.
is not definitive of anything" came up. ($ADONAI and "Jehovah" are
pretty distinct pronunciations of the same original word as well... )
John F. Eldredge
Feb 27, 2012, 11:09:22 PM2/27/12
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:28:00 +0000, Joe Thompson wrote:
> On 2012-02-27, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:31:50 +0000, Joe Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
>>> correct pronunciation of the name Elijah. -- Joe
>>
>> That all depends on what language you're speaking, doesn't it? As
>> another example, I doubt that many English speakers would accept
>> "Yithro" as a correct pronunciation of "Jethro," even though the former
>> is the original way it was said.
>
> And in fact IIRC the point of "It's a Hebrew name, the transliteration
> is not definitive of anything" came up. ($ADONAI and "Jehovah" are
> pretty distinct pronunciations of the same original word as well... ) --
> Joe
I believe that you are wrong on that point. Since the Holy Name, YHWH
> On 2012-02-27, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:31:50 +0000, Joe Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
>>> correct pronunciation of the name Elijah. -- Joe
>>
>> That all depends on what language you're speaking, doesn't it? As
>> another example, I doubt that many English speakers would accept
>> "Yithro" as a correct pronunciation of "Jethro," even though the former
>> is the original way it was said.
>
> And in fact IIRC the point of "It's a Hebrew name, the transliteration
> is not definitive of anything" came up. ($ADONAI and "Jehovah" are
> pretty distinct pronunciations of the same original word as well... ) --
> Joe
(probably pronounced Yahweh, and meaning "I am") is considered too holy
in Judaism to be said in most circumstances, the word Adonai, meaning
"Lord", is said instead. This led to the custom, in English-language
Bibles, of replacing the Tetragrammaton with LORD, in all capitals.
"Jehovah" came from confusion on the part of early translators, adding
the vowel sounds from Adonai into the word JHWH.
Shmuel Metz
Feb 28, 2012, 10:11:09 AM2/28/12
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In <9r32bh...@mid.individual.net>, on 02/28/2012
the phrase 'ehiyeh 'asher 'ehiyeh and pronouced 'Adonai[1],
>and meaning "I am")
No, that sense of the verb "to be" is not used in the present tense in
Hebrew; Yod Hei Vav Hei means "he will be"[2]
>is considered too holy in Judaism to be said
Or written.
>the word Adonai, meaning "Lord", is said instead.
Or written instead.
>"Jehovah" came from confusion on the part of early translators,
>adding the vowel sounds from Adonai into the word JHWH.
Yes.
[1] Meaning *My* Lord, not just Lord.
[2] Well, technically there is no future tense in Biblical Hebrew
and Yod Hei Vav Hei is third person imperfect.
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at 04:09 AM, "John F. Eldredge" <jo...@jfeldredge.com> said:
>I believe that you are wrong on that point. Since the Holy Name,
>YHWH (probably pronounced Yahweh,
Actually, he's right. Yod Hei Vav Hei is a placeholder derived from
>I believe that you are wrong on that point. Since the Holy Name,
>YHWH (probably pronounced Yahweh,
the phrase 'ehiyeh 'asher 'ehiyeh and pronouced 'Adonai[1],
>and meaning "I am")
Hebrew; Yod Hei Vav Hei means "he will be"[2]
>is considered too holy in Judaism to be said
>the word Adonai, meaning "Lord", is said instead.
>"Jehovah" came from confusion on the part of early translators,
>adding the vowel sounds from Adonai into the word JHWH.
[1] Meaning *My* Lord, not just Lord.
[2] Well, technically there is no future tense in Biblical Hebrew
and Yod Hei Vav Hei is third person imperfect.
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Shmuel Metz
Feb 27, 2012, 2:40:54 PM2/27/12
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In <jigi6m$lo6$1...@xen1.xcski.com>, on 02/27/2012
Biblical name, which subject to vowel shifts was Eliyahu. I've always
wondered why the Greek or Roman translators dropped the final
syllables from that and similar names.
at 06:31 PM, Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com> said:
>My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
>correct pronunciation of the name Elijah.
In what language? It's certainly not a correct pronunciation of the
>My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
>correct pronunciation of the name Elijah.
Biblical name, which subject to vowel shifts was Eliyahu. I've always
wondered why the Greek or Roman translators dropped the final
syllables from that and similar names.
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John Burnham
Feb 28, 2012, 10:53:06 AM2/28/12
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Mike Andrews
Feb 28, 2012, 10:58:14 AM2/28/12
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What I hit F to say, though, is that there's more than one way to gain
respect. When you've got a major nest of Monks by the upstream IP feed,
their hearts and minds will follow.
-- AdB, in asr
Joe Zeff
Feb 28, 2012, 12:23:59 PM2/28/12
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:40:54 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> In what language? It's certainly not a correct pronunciation of the
> Biblical name, which subject to vowel shifts was Eliyahu. I've always
> wondered why the Greek or Roman translators dropped the final syllables
> from that and similar names.
Probably for the same reason that they translated the title that was
> In what language? It's certainly not a correct pronunciation of the
> Biblical name, which subject to vowel shifts was Eliyahu. I've always
> wondered why the Greek or Roman translators dropped the final syllables
> from that and similar names.
spelled Paro as Pharaoh.
I'll have to try and get an item written into the DR plan specifying a
run to Krispy Kreme for sysadmin fuel, since it'd no doubt be a long
night ahead.
Shmuel Metz
Feb 28, 2012, 2:54:10 PM2/28/12
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In <4f4d0daf$0$4361$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com>, on 02/28/2012
hieroglyphics or the Hebrew title derived from it that was spelled Pei
Reish 'Ayin Hei and pronounced Par'oh? The 'Ayin in Hebrew is a
guttural consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli Hebrew. Be
glad that the Greek translators didn't render it as Phargo or Phargoh.
at 05:23 PM, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> said:
>Probably for the same reason that they translated the title that was
>spelled Paro as Pharaoh.
What title was that? The Egyptian title that was spelled with two
>Probably for the same reason that they translated the title that was
>spelled Paro as Pharaoh.
hieroglyphics or the Hebrew title derived from it that was spelled Pei
Reish 'Ayin Hei and pronounced Par'oh? The 'Ayin in Hebrew is a
guttural consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli Hebrew. Be
glad that the Greek translators didn't render it as Phargo or Phargoh.
David Cameron Staples
Feb 28, 2012, 3:05:45 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:54:10 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> In <4f4d0daf$0$4361$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com>, on 02/28/2012
> at 05:23 PM, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> said:
>
>>Probably for the same reason that they translated the title that was
>>spelled Paro as Pharaoh.
>
> What title was that? The Egyptian title that was spelled with two
> hieroglyphics or the Hebrew title derived from it that was spelled Pei
> Reish 'Ayin Hei and pronounced Par'oh? The 'Ayin in Hebrew is a guttural
> consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli Hebrew. Be glad that
> the Greek translators didn't render it as Phargo or Phargoh.
And when the Greeks transliterated the Pe, they did so as the aspirated
> In <4f4d0daf$0$4361$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com>, on 02/28/2012
> at 05:23 PM, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> said:
>
>>Probably for the same reason that they translated the title that was
>>spelled Paro as Pharaoh.
>
> What title was that? The Egyptian title that was spelled with two
> hieroglyphics or the Hebrew title derived from it that was spelled Pei
> Reish 'Ayin Hei and pronounced Par'oh? The 'Ayin in Hebrew is a guttural
> consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli Hebrew. Be glad that
> the Greek translators didn't render it as Phargo or Phargoh.
sound, phi, not the unaspirated pi. That this sound /pʰ/ later became the
fricative /ɸ/ is an unrelated (but common) development. So that's why
/ɸa:ro:/ instead of /pa:ro:/.
Joe Zeff
Feb 28, 2012, 9:07:00 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:54:10 -0500, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
> In <4f4d0daf$0$4361$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com>, on 02/28/2012
> at 05:23 PM, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> said:
>
>>Probably for the same reason that they translated the title that was
>>spelled Paro as Pharaoh.
>
> What title was that? The Egyptian title that was spelled with two
> hieroglyphics or the Hebrew title derived from it that was spelled Pei
> Reish 'Ayin Hei and pronounced Par'oh? The 'Ayin in Hebrew is a guttural
> consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli Hebrew. Be glad that
> the Greek translators didn't render it as Phargo or Phargoh.
The second one. It's spelled, as you point out, with a Pei, not a Fei,
> In <4f4d0daf$0$4361$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com>, on 02/28/2012
> at 05:23 PM, Joe Zeff <the.guy.with....@lasfs.info> said:
>
>>Probably for the same reason that they translated the title that was
>>spelled Paro as Pharaoh.
>
> What title was that? The Egyptian title that was spelled with two
> hieroglyphics or the Hebrew title derived from it that was spelled Pei
> Reish 'Ayin Hei and pronounced Par'oh? The 'Ayin in Hebrew is a guttural
> consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli Hebrew. Be glad that
> the Greek translators didn't render it as Phargo or Phargoh.
so there's no excuse for starting it with Ph.
Trouble doesn't approach me, I'm the trouble that is approached.
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mrob...@att.net
Feb 29, 2012, 4:38:42 AM2/29/12
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Erwan David <er...@rail.eu.org> wrote:
> It is also strange for french people to hear the names of french
> origine in midwest US... (Detroit, Des Moines, Baton Rouge, etc.)
There is an organization called "Carondelet Health" that operates some
> It is also strange for french people to hear the names of french
> origine in midwest US... (Detroit, Des Moines, Baton Rouge, etc.)
local hospitals and medical services. I always figured it was
pronounced "ca-ron-deh-lay", similar to the pronunciation of a well-
known General Motors brand name.
A few months ago, I heard a radio ad for one of the hospitals. It
pronounced the name as "Ca-ron-deh-lett". What?
Matt Roberds
Maarten Wiltink
Feb 29, 2012, 12:39:44 PM2/29/12
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"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
message news:4f4bdc46$9$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...
all but the most pedantic contexts.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
message news:4f4bdc46$9$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net...
> In <jigi6m$lo6$1...@xen1.xcski.com>, on 02/27/2012
> at 06:31 PM, Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com> said:
>> My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
>> correct pronunciation of the name Elijah.
>
> In what language? It's certainly not a correct pronunciation of the
> Biblical name, which subject to vowel shifts was Eliyahu. I've always
> wondered why the Greek or Roman translators dropped the final
> syllables from that and similar names.
It looks remarkably like modern Arabic, where the -u is silent in
> at 06:31 PM, Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com> said:
>> My wife and I have an ongoing argument about whether "Eeliya" is a
>> correct pronunciation of the name Elijah.
>
> In what language? It's certainly not a correct pronunciation of the
> Biblical name, which subject to vowel shifts was Eliyahu. I've always
> wondered why the Greek or Roman translators dropped the final
> syllables from that and similar names.
all but the most pedantic contexts.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Paul
Feb 29, 2012, 4:57:13 PM2/29/12
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Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote in
news:slrnjkrjgc...@gort.thesatya.com:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:54:10 -0500, Shmuel Metz wrote:
>> guttural consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli
>> Hebrew. Be glad that the Greek translators didn't render it as
>> Phargo or Phargoh.
>
> "Is that your phriend in the wood chipper?"
And I thought I was the only one with a mind twisted enough to swerve
in that direction. Hazard of the profession, I guess.
--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant
news:slrnjkrjgc...@gort.thesatya.com:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:54:10 -0500, Shmuel Metz wrote:
>> guttural consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli
>> Hebrew. Be glad that the Greek translators didn't render it as
>> Phargo or Phargoh.
>
And I thought I was the only one with a mind twisted enough to swerve
in that direction. Hazard of the profession, I guess.
--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant
Niklas Karlsson
Feb 29, 2012, 5:15:55 PM2/29/12
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On 2012-02-29, Paul <pssa...@comcast.net.INVALID> wrote:
> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote in
> news:slrnjkrjgc...@gort.thesatya.com:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:54:10 -0500, Shmuel Metz wrote:
>>> guttural consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli
>>> Hebrew. Be glad that the Greek translators didn't render it as
>>> Phargo or Phargoh.
>>
>> "Is that your phriend in the wood chipper?"
>
> And I thought I was the only one with a mind twisted enough to swerve
> in that direction. Hazard of the profession, I guess.
Indeed so. I haven't gotten to use any wood chippers, but I did get to
> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote in
> news:slrnjkrjgc...@gort.thesatya.com:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:54:10 -0500, Shmuel Metz wrote:
>>> guttural consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli
>>> Hebrew. Be glad that the Greek translators didn't render it as
>>> Phargo or Phargoh.
>>
>> "Is that your phriend in the wood chipper?"
>
> And I thought I was the only one with a mind twisted enough to swerve
> in that direction. Hazard of the profession, I guess.
shoot some coworkers today.
With a non-lethal weapon, but hey, you can't have everything.
Niklas
--
"The best way to get something to compile on Linux is to find something
that was not developed by Linux developers." -- Graham Reed
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Paul
Feb 29, 2012, 5:54:29 PM2/29/12
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Niklas Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> wrote in
news:9r7mcr...@mid.individual.net:
> On 2012-02-29, Paul <pssa...@comcast.net.INVALID> wrote:
>> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote in
>> news:slrnjkrjgc...@gort.thesatya.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:54:10 -0500, Shmuel Metz wrote:
>>>> guttural consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli
>>>> Hebrew. Be glad that the Greek translators didn't render it as
>>>> Phargo or Phargoh.
>>>
>>> "Is that your phriend in the wood chipper?"
>>
>> And I thought I was the only one with a mind twisted enough to
>> swerve in that direction. Hazard of the profession, I guess.
>
> Indeed so. I haven't gotten to use any wood chippers, but I did
> get to shoot some coworkers today.
>
> With a non-lethal weapon, but hey, you can't have everything.
As part of recovery, I have a small chipper-shredder for yard leaves
and branches. I can pretend those leaves and branches are most
anybody^H^H^H^Hthing, though.
news:9r7mcr...@mid.individual.net:
> On 2012-02-29, Paul <pssa...@comcast.net.INVALID> wrote:
>> Satya <sat...@satyaonline.cjb.net> wrote in
>> news:slrnjkrjgc...@gort.thesatya.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:54:10 -0500, Shmuel Metz wrote:
>>>> guttural consonant, although it is silent in modern Israeli
>>>> Hebrew. Be glad that the Greek translators didn't render it as
>>>> Phargo or Phargoh.
>>>
>>> "Is that your phriend in the wood chipper?"
>>
>> And I thought I was the only one with a mind twisted enough to
>> swerve in that direction. Hazard of the profession, I guess.
>
> Indeed so. I haven't gotten to use any wood chippers, but I did
> get to shoot some coworkers today.
>
> With a non-lethal weapon, but hey, you can't have everything.
and branches. I can pretend those leaves and branches are most
anybody^H^H^H^Hthing, though.
Paul
Feb 29, 2012, 6:00:51 PM2/29/12
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Gary Barnes <g...@adminspotting.org> wrote in
news:slrnjkta4...@shady.adminspotting.org:
> I only learnt from a news report about new trains the other day
> that their manufacturer (Bombardier) is supposed to be pronounced
> "Bom-bah-dee-yay" as opposed to how you'd pronounce the name of
> the Royal Artillery rank or a bomber crewman or the English ale
> "Bom-bar-deer".
Well, if you were in nh.us, you would have known that, but mostly
because in Canada they make devices to traverse snow-covered areas,
like roads and other peoples yards, and sometimes even trails made
for them.
news:slrnjkta4...@shady.adminspotting.org:
> I only learnt from a news report about new trains the other day
> that their manufacturer (Bombardier) is supposed to be pronounced
> "Bom-bah-dee-yay" as opposed to how you'd pronounce the name of
> the Royal Artillery rank or a bomber crewman or the English ale
> "Bom-bar-deer".
Well, if you were in nh.us, you would have known that, but mostly
because in Canada they make devices to traverse snow-covered areas,
like roads and other peoples yards, and sometimes even trails made
for them.
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Ralph Wade Phillips
Mar 1, 2012, 10:33:00 AM3/1/12
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On 2/26/2012 11:53 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> mrob...@att.net disait le 02/26/12 que :
(boss-e-yah).
The twin cities of Nacogdoches ( Nah-cog-doch-ez ) and Natchitoches (
Nack-a-tush ) are named for Indian brothers, Nacogdoches (same
pronunciation) and Natchitoches (nah-kit-oh-ches ).
Jordan Street ( Ger-dan ) is named for the Jordan family, not the river
Jordan ( Johr-dan ).
There was a street named for a local business man, Lawhon ( Law-horn ).
That's just a few local weirdos.
RwP
> mrob...@att.net disait le 02/26/12 que :
>
> It is also strange for french people to hear the names of french origine
> in midwest US... (Detroit, Des Moines, Baton Rouge, etc.)
>
There's a city named "Bossier City" (boh-zyur), named for Pierre Bossier
> It is also strange for french people to hear the names of french origine
> in midwest US... (Detroit, Des Moines, Baton Rouge, etc.)
>
(boss-e-yah).
The twin cities of Nacogdoches ( Nah-cog-doch-ez ) and Natchitoches (
Nack-a-tush ) are named for Indian brothers, Nacogdoches (same
pronunciation) and Natchitoches (nah-kit-oh-ches ).
Jordan Street ( Ger-dan ) is named for the Jordan family, not the river
Jordan ( Johr-dan ).
There was a street named for a local business man, Lawhon ( Law-horn ).
That's just a few local weirdos.
RwP
Mike Andrews
Mar 1, 2012, 10:53:05 AM3/1/12
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Ralph Wade Phillips <ne...@philent.biz> wrote in <jio4rg$2r1$1...@dont-email.me>:
Here in Oklahoma, we use these to dustinguish insiders from outlanders:
Chickasha: "chick-uh-shay", not "chick-ah-shay"
Muskogee: "mus-koh-<hard G>-ee", not "mus-kog-<soft G>ee"
Boise City: "boys", not "boy-see"
Pawhuska: "p<schwa>-huss-ka", not "paw-huss-ka"
Poteau: "POH-tow", not "pot-oh"
Purcell: "purr-SELL", not "PURR-sell"
--
So far, I only slash the air. So far, only I feel the heft of the sword, see
the glint of the fluorescent ceiling lights off the polished blade, smell the
distinctive coppery tang that fills the air, and hear the sound of splatter
slapping the musty fabric of the cubicle walls around me. So far... -- KG, asr
Chickasha: "chick-uh-shay", not "chick-ah-shay"
Muskogee: "mus-koh-<hard G>-ee", not "mus-kog-<soft G>ee"
Boise City: "boys", not "boy-see"
Pawhuska: "p<schwa>-huss-ka", not "paw-huss-ka"
Poteau: "POH-tow", not "pot-oh"
Purcell: "purr-SELL", not "PURR-sell"
--
So far, I only slash the air. So far, only I feel the heft of the sword, see
the glint of the fluorescent ceiling lights off the polished blade, smell the
distinctive coppery tang that fills the air, and hear the sound of splatter
slapping the musty fabric of the cubicle walls around me. So far... -- KG, asr
LP
Mar 1, 2012, 11:20:40 AM3/1/12
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On 2012-03-01, Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>
> Here in Oklahoma, we use these to dustinguish insiders from outlanders:
>
> Chickasha: "chick-uh-shay", not "chick-ah-shay"
My favourite of all of these is:
>
> Here in Oklahoma, we use these to dustinguish insiders from outlanders:
>
> Chickasha: "chick-uh-shay", not "chick-ah-shay"
Loughborough - which as we all know should be pronounced "lou-gah-ber-oo-gah"
and not "luff-bruh" as the tourists would have it.
At least, that's what I like to tell people visiting the UK.
-Paul
--
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Mike Andrews
Mar 1, 2012, 12:30:03 PM3/1/12
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LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjkv8jo...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
I think the cake, icing, ornament, doily, and plate, were taken by the YL
who walked up to the airline ticket counter and asked for a ticket to
"puh-hoe-eh-nix".
--
"Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would
sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path."
-- Ronald Reagan
who walked up to the airline ticket counter and asked for a ticket to
"puh-hoe-eh-nix".
--
"Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would
sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path."
-- Ronald Reagan
Niklas Karlsson
Mar 1, 2012, 1:06:47 PM3/1/12
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On 2012-03-01, Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
> LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjkv8jo...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
>
>> On 2012-03-01, Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here in Oklahoma, we use these to dustinguish insiders from outlanders:
>>>
>>> Chickasha: "chick-uh-shay", not "chick-ah-shay"
>>
>> My favourite of all of these is:
>> Loughborough - which as we all know should be pronounced "lou-gah-ber-oo-gah"
>> and not "luff-bruh" as the tourists would have it.
>>
>> At least, that's what I like to tell people visiting the UK.
>
> I think the cake, icing, ornament, doily, and plate, were taken by the YL
^^
> LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjkv8jo...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
>
>> On 2012-03-01, Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here in Oklahoma, we use these to dustinguish insiders from outlanders:
>>>
>>> Chickasha: "chick-uh-shay", not "chick-ah-shay"
>>
>> My favourite of all of these is:
>> Loughborough - which as we all know should be pronounced "lou-gah-ber-oo-gah"
>> and not "luff-bruh" as the tourists would have it.
>>
>> At least, that's what I like to tell people visiting the UK.
>
> I think the cake, icing, ornament, doily, and plate, were taken by the YL
EXPN?
Niklas
--
If C++ had only intended to solve the problems of C, it would have stopped
getting worse a long, long time ago. No such luck appears to obtain.
-- Garrett Wollman
Mike Andrews
Mar 1, 2012, 1:11:02 PM3/1/12
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Niklas Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> wrote in <9r9s5n...@mid.individual.net>:
> On 2012-03-01, Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>> LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjkv8jo...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
>>
>>> On 2012-03-01, Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here in Oklahoma, we use these to dustinguish insiders from outlanders:
>>>>
>>>> Chickasha: "chick-uh-shay", not "chick-ah-shay"
>>>
>>> My favourite of all of these is:
>>> Loughborough - which as we all know should be pronounced "lou-gah-ber-oo-gah"
>>> and not "luff-bruh" as the tourists would have it.
>>>
>>> At least, that's what I like to tell people visiting the UK.
>>
>> I think the cake, icing, ornament, doily, and plate, were taken by the YL
> ^^
> EXPN?
Entschuldigung, bitte! "Young Lady".
--
"You've *really* arrived when the doctor tells you can't
drink anymore because alcohol conflicts with the meds you
take to handle the stress of the job." -- Joe Zeff
> On 2012-03-01, Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>> LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjkv8jo...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
>>
>>> On 2012-03-01, Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here in Oklahoma, we use these to dustinguish insiders from outlanders:
>>>>
>>>> Chickasha: "chick-uh-shay", not "chick-ah-shay"
>>>
>>> My favourite of all of these is:
>>> Loughborough - which as we all know should be pronounced "lou-gah-ber-oo-gah"
>>> and not "luff-bruh" as the tourists would have it.
>>>
>>> At least, that's what I like to tell people visiting the UK.
>>
>> I think the cake, icing, ornament, doily, and plate, were taken by the YL
> ^^
> EXPN?
--
"You've *really* arrived when the doctor tells you can't
drink anymore because alcohol conflicts with the meds you
take to handle the stress of the job." -- Joe Zeff
Joe Zeff
Mar 1, 2012, 2:01:27 PM3/1/12
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:30:03 -0600, Mike Andrews wrote:
> I think the cake, icing, ornament, doily, and plate, were taken by the
> YL who walked up to the airline ticket counter and asked for a ticket to
>
> "puh-hoe-eh-nix".
My mother once heard a woman pronounce Pacoima (Pa-COI-mah) as Pack-oh-
> I think the cake, icing, ornament, doily, and plate, were taken by the
> YL who walked up to the airline ticket counter and asked for a ticket to
>
> "puh-hoe-eh-nix".
WAY-ma and I've heard Reseda (Re-SEE-dah) come out as REH-se-dah.
The problem with being a good sport is that you have to lose to prove it.
Shmuel Metz
Feb 29, 2012, 11:52:26 PM2/29/12
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In <XnsA008B74...@88.198.244.100>, on 02/29/2012
French origin.
at 11:00 PM, Paul <pssa...@comcast.net.INVALID> said:
>Well, if you were in nh.us, you would have known that, but mostly
>because in Canada they make devices to traverse snow-covered areas,
>like roads and other peoples yards, and sometimes even trails made
>for them.
You'd also pronounce it correctly if you assumed that the name was of
>Well, if you were in nh.us, you would have known that, but mostly
>because in Canada they make devices to traverse snow-covered areas,
>like roads and other peoples yards, and sometimes even trails made
>for them.
French origin.
Shmuel Metz
Feb 29, 2012, 11:48:49 PM2/29/12
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Paul Kelleher
Mar 1, 2012, 5:37:57 PM3/1/12
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In article <slrnjkv8jo...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>,
use...@lpbk.net says...
Low-brow. As in, diametrically opposite from high-brow.
Kelloggs
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