Professor Darwin, you have a phone call.
Shalom Septimus
Verizon, is the target of a strike, and has been for the past 2 weeks.
Things have been escalating lately, as acts of sabotage have been
perpetrated by some of the striking workers.
While this sort of behaviour strikes me as luserish anyway, in that
it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
13-kV powerline instead...
http://www.cbsnewyork.com/now/story/0,1597,221595-207,00.shtml
[1] the arseholes vandalized the junction box in my apartment
complex's telco room today, cutting off my voice line. This does not
make me feel particularly sympathetic to the strikers' plight. Eevn
though they thoughtfully left my ISDN line alone.
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Shalom Septimus
Mike Andrews
: The company formed by the merger of Bell Atlantic and GTE, now called
: Verizon, is the target of a strike, and has been for the past 2 weeks.
: Things have been escalating lately, as acts of sabotage have been
: perpetrated by some of the striking workers.
: While this sort of behaviour strikes me as luserish anyway, in that
: it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
: luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
: 13-kV powerline instead...
: http://www.cbsnewyork.com/now/story/0,1597,221595-207,00.shtml
Saw that as a streamer across the bottom of this morning's
CNN Headline news, thought "Darwin strikes again!", took
another bite of walnut cracked-wheat bread with Gedney's[1]
raspberry jam, thought about strike-lusers in general.
: [1] the arseholes vandalized the junction box in my apartment
: complex's telco room today, cutting off my voice line. This does not
: make me feel particularly sympathetic to the strikers' plight. Eevn
: though they thoughtfully left my ISDN line alone.
What is it about strikers that makes them act as though fscking
with _my_ service/comfort/whatever is going to make me like them
more and the target company less? As the song goes, "It Ain't
Necesarily So".
[1] Gedney's "State Fair" line of jams, jellies, and preserves
is made using recipes they bought from winners of blue
ribbons at various state fairs. The ones I've tried have
been uniformly damned good. I especially recommend their
"Doubleberry", which is blueberry-raspberry, and heavy
on the blueberries. Oh, yes, I recommend it indeed!
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Paul Tomko
Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>What is it about strikers that makes them act as though fscking
>with _my_ service/comfort/whatever is going to make me like them
>more and the target company less? As the song goes, "It Ain't
>Necesarily So".
Even if it did make me like the target company less, it doesn't give me
sympathy toward their strike. It just makes me more convinced that the
poor strikers should try like mad NOT to go back to work there.
Paul
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Tanuki the Raccoon-dog
<drug...@p0b0x.c0m> said
>The company formed by the merger of Bell Atlantic and GTE, now called
>Verizon, is the target of a strike, and has been for the past 2 weeks.
>Things have been escalating lately, as acts of sabotage have been
>perpetrated by some of the striking workers.
I've never understood the mentality behind this - pissing in
a customer's beer gets him mad at *you*, not the brewery.
>While this sort of behaviour strikes me as luserish anyway, in that
>it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
>luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
>13-kV powerline instead...
>http://www.cbsnewyork.com/now/story/0,1597,221595-207,00.shtml
Aaaah... Schadenfreude. I guess it saves on the cremation-costs?
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A: A good start.
mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) writes:
> What is it about strikers that makes them act as though fscking
> with _my_ service/comfort/whatever is going to make me like them
> more and the target company less?
There are clues here for the taking. To wit: don't do business with
union-infested companies when you have any choice about it, because
sooner or later their employees _will_ end up fscking with your
service/comfort/whatall in the course of a dispute with their
employer. Then, tell the companies in question the reason for your
decision.
Unions may make sense for the sort of work where workers are just a
fungible commodity where any one is like any other. For any occupation
involving Talent-with-a-capital-T (and assuming the existence of more
than one potential employer), if you have Talent you are a union of
one, the strength of which is the strength of said Talent.
Arguments along the lines of "there once existed conditions where
unions made sense" or "some companies once did !nice things while
trying to bust unions", while likely true, do not form a strong
foundation from which to argue that unions have a place in the tech
sector.
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Zebee Johnstone
Shalom Septimus <drug...@p0b0x.c0m> wrote:
>The company formed by the merger of Bell Atlantic and GTE, now called
>Verizon, is the target of a strike, and has been for the past 2 weeks.
>Things have been escalating lately, as acts of sabotage have been
>perpetrated by some of the striking workers.
>
>it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
>luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
>13-kV powerline instead...
Apaprently it was that they did know which was which, but they
buggered up the slash - unstable platform to stand on or something.
So they knew which cable to cut, just failed the execution.
Zebee
Justin Chandler
>Apaprently it was that they did know which was which, but they
>buggered up the slash - unstable platform to stand on or something.
>
>So they knew which cable to cut, just failed the execution.
Yeah, they unfortunately lived.
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Jeff Mcadams
>Apaprently it was that they did know which was which, but they buggered
>up the slash - unstable platform to stand on or something.
>So they knew which cable to cut, just failed the execution.
So the resulting question, of course, being, "And that's supposed to be
better?"
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Zebee Johnstone
Jeff Mcadams <je...@team.iglou.com> wrote:
>Thus spake Zebee Johnstone
>>Apaprently it was that they did know which was which, but they buggered
>>up the slash - unstable platform to stand on or something.
>
>>So they knew which cable to cut, just failed the execution.
>
>So the resulting question, of course, being, "And that's supposed to be
>better?"
yes. Being a phone tech who is bad at ladders is a far better thing
than being a phone tech who can't tell the difference between a phone
cable and a power cable.
Zebee
Jeff Mcadams
>yes. Being a phone tech who is bad at ladders is a far better thing
>than being a phone tech who can't tell the difference between a phone
>cable and a power cable.
I guess...sounds to me like a choice between being incompetent and being
incompetent. I guess perhaps there could be a matter of degree there,
but I think beyond a certain point it really doesn't matter.
me not you
>
>
>yes. Being a phone tech who is bad at ladders is a far better thing
>than being a phone tech who can't tell the difference between a phone
>cable and a power cable.
I'm sure this must be a great comfort to both tham and all the other
victims of their power cable self-larting right now. "oh, at least we
knew we fsuked up"
Onno Hovers
> [.. snip blatant union bashing ..]
> Arguments along the lines of "there once existed conditions where
> unions made sense" or "some companies once did !nice things while
> trying to bust unions", while likely true, do not form a strong
> foundation from which to argue that unions have a place in the tech
> sector.
Saying that unions are not necessary because work conditons are so good
is like saying that a country does not need an army because the world is
so peaceful.
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Zebee Johnstone
Onno Hovers <on...@surfer.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>he...@kharendaen.krall.org wrote:
>> [.. snip blatant union bashing ..]
>
>> Arguments along the lines of "there once existed conditions where
>> unions made sense" or "some companies once did !nice things while
>> trying to bust unions", while likely true, do not form a strong
>> foundation from which to argue that unions have a place in the tech
>> sector.
>
>Saying that unions are not necessary because work conditons are so good
>is like saying that a country does not need an army because the world is
>so peaceful.
>
As a tech and sysadmin, I've been bloody grateful for a union.
Yup - it was a place where work was tightish and for various reasons
people didn't want to up sticks and mve states. Such as having
parents or kids they were responsible for.
The employer was being a bastard from habit, and the union took them
on and made them do the right thing. Without that union we'd all have
been screwed over pay, job descriptions, superannuation and working
hours.
I used to have the "unions are old hat" mindset until I discovered
that I needed one.
I'm in a situation now where I don't, and there isn't really one to
cover me, but as a PFY turning in to a sysadmin they were a damn good
thing.
Zebee
he...@kharendaen.krall.org
> Saying that unions are not necessary because work conditons are so
> good is like saying that a country does not need an army because the
> world is so peaceful.
Quite. If I ever see someone (other than your straw man) saying that
unions aren't necessary because work conditions are so good, I'll be
sure to point them in your direction so you can clarify things for
them.
It's not like there's some shortage of contentious stuff I actually
said, that you have to pull new stuff that I didn't say out of your
butt just so you have something to argue with me about.
Anyway, I think we can all probably agree that enough stuff (that we
have to fix) gets fucked up on its own or by accident without some
lusers shambling around fucking it up on purpose. And I suspect that
most of us think, in our black little hearts full of poisonous
spiders, that said lusers are a perfectly lovely place for a spare
13KV that happens to be in the right place at the right time.
ObOb: Human body is 100K ohm 1/4W resistor, da?
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void
<he...@kharendaen.krall.org> wrote:
>
>Anyway, I think we can all probably agree that enough stuff (that we
>have to fix) gets fucked up on its own or by accident without some
>lusers shambling around fucking it up on purpose. And I suspect that
>most of us think, in our black little hearts full of poisonous
>spiders, that said lusers are a perfectly lovely place for a spare
>13KV that happens to be in the right place at the right time.
I'm fairly pro-labor on the whole, and I even think Verizon's probably
wrong, but I still think that sabotaging the phone network is stupid in
more ways than I care to enumerate right now.
ObASR: I've been given responsibility for re-jiggering the Samba config,
and possibly upgrade Samba while I'm at it. Oh well, it's a three-admin
shop and I've only been there two weeks, so I'll suck it up. I told the
boss that there are very few people who can get me to do Windows-related
work, and he should be honored to be among the few, and he laughed,
which is enough for me (I'm easy to please, just treat me like a human
and don't ask me to come in early).
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Tanuki the Raccoon-dog
<on...@surfer.xs4all.nl> said
>he...@kharendaen.krall.org wrote:
>> Arguments along the lines of "there once existed conditions where
>> unions made sense" or "some companies once did !nice things while
>> trying to bust unions", while likely true, do not form a strong
>> foundation from which to argue that unions have a place in the tech
>> sector.
>
>is like saying that a country does not need an army because the world is
>so peaceful.
OTOH i've been in a situation where the ueber-PHBs had
offered a special-skills-supplement to us [non-union,
slightly-different-contract] IT-types, only for the
unions to raise an objection to this, claiming that the
available funds should be distributed among all staff.
Alas this view prevailed. Seeing union action lose me a
15% salary-hike made me resolve never to join a union:
i can do without that particular form of "friendly fire".
There's also the point that most of the unions in .UK have
"political" funds [i.e. they channel some of their members'
subscriptions to fund the Labour party]. This i object to
most strongly - like voting for them, funding political parties
only encourages the bastards.
J.D. Baldwin
Septimus <drug...@p0b0x.c0m> wrote:
> While this sort of behaviour strikes me as luserish anyway, in that
> it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
> luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
> 13-kV powerline instead...
So, have these two been charged yet?
Will they be tried in circuit court?
And will they be allowed to report to prison themselves, or will they
have to ride the bus?
(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
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Justin Chandler
>In article <hslpps4tppvjhudos...@news.erols.com>, Shalom
>Septimus <drug...@p0b0x.c0m> wrote:
>> While this sort of behaviour strikes me as luserish anyway, in that
>> it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
>> luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
>> 13-kV powerline instead...
>> http://www.cbsnewyork.com/now/story/0,1597,221595-207,00.shtml
>
>So, have these two been charged yet?
>
>Will they be tried in circuit court?
>
>And will they be allowed to report to prison themselves, or will they
>have to ride the bus?
>
>(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
Ohm, my god. Not another one of these.
I can't resist it.
Must be the (three) phase of the moon.
Mike Andrews
: In article <8ntv07$c7h$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
: J.D. Baldwin wrote:
:>In article <hslpps4tppvjhudos...@news.erols.com>, Shalom
:>Septimus <drug...@p0b0x.c0m> wrote:
:>> While this sort of behaviour strikes me as luserish anyway, in that
:>> it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
:>> luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
:>> 13-kV powerline instead...
:>> http://www.cbsnewyork.com/now/story/0,1597,221595-207,00.shtml
:>So, have these two been charged yet?
:>Will they be tried in circuit court?
:>And will they be allowed to report to prison themselves, or will they
:>have to ride the bus?
: Must resist...
: For that you will be taken to a secondary cell. There is no potential
: of you being discharged on bail, as it was refused flat, but the lawyer
: in his capacity thinks he's accumulating enough motive force for an
: appeal.
It is expected that they will win the appeal, which is being heard by
Judge Coulomb, with little resistance, and will be permitted to go ohm.
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<sorthu...@linuxmail.org> wrote, quoting me:
> >(Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
>
> Ohm, my god. Not another one of these.
>
> I can't resist it.
>
> Must be the (three) phase of the moon.
Mho, mho, I'm still not satisfied.
Steve McAndrewSmith
>It is expected that they will win the appeal, which is being heard by
>Judge Coulomb, with little resistance, and will be permitted to go ohm.
Current-ly, public support is high, especially in Watts, and they may turn
up inducted into the Hall of fame (at least fer'aday).
[Wow, my first cascade and I get 7 points]
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Justin Chandler
wrote:
>In article <8ntv07$c7h$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> J.D. Baldwin wrote:
>>In article <hslpps4tppvjhudos...@news.erols.com>, Shalom
>>Septimus <drug...@p0b0x.c0m> wrote:
>>> While this sort of behaviour strikes me as luserish anyway, in that
>>> it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
>>> luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
>>> 13-kV powerline instead...
>>> http://www.cbsnewyork.com/now/story/0,1597,221595-207,00.shtml
>
>>So, have these two been charged yet?
>
>>Will they be tried in circuit court?
>
>>And will they be allowed to report to prison themselves, or will they
>>have to ride the bus?
>
>Must resist...
>
>For that you will be taken to a secondary cell. There is no potential
>of you being discharged on bail, as it was refused flat, but the lawyer
>in his capacity thinks he's accumulating enough motive force for an
>appeal.
On what grounds?
Mike Andrews
: mi...@mikea.ath.cx (Mike Andrews) wrote:
:>Scripsit Paul Martin <p...@nowster-zetnet.co.uk>:
:>: In article <8ntv07$c7h$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
:>: J.D. Baldwin wrote:
:>:>In article <hslpps4tppvjhudos...@news.erols.com>, Shalom
:>:>Septimus <drug...@p0b0x.c0m> wrote:
:>:>> While this sort of behaviour strikes me as luserish anyway, in that
:>:>> it's not very likely to get you public sympathy[1], it's even more
:>:>> luserish when you try to slash a major phone cable and get the nearby
:>:>> 13-kV powerline instead...
:>:>> http://www.cbsnewyork.com/now/story/0,1597,221595-207,00.shtml
:>
:>:>So, have these two been charged yet?
:>
:>:>Will they be tried in circuit court?
:>
:>:>And will they be allowed to report to prison themselves, or will they
:>:>have to ride the bus?
:>
:>: Must resist...
:>
:>: For that you will be taken to a secondary cell. There is no potential
:>: of you being discharged on bail, as it was refused flat, but the lawyer
:>: in his capacity thinks he's accumulating enough motive force for an
:>: appeal.
:>
:>It is expected that they will win the appeal, which is being heard by
:>Judge Coulomb, with little resistance, and will be permitted to go ohm.
: I wonder if Judge Coulomb is connected to their lawyers "Joule,
: Coulomb and Watt, attornies at law"
Dunno, but that's some high-powered lawyers.
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