Never thought i'd end up posting here
Clarjon1
I LOVE computers, tinkering, etc. Hardware, software, even found
volunteering tech support fun.
And then came... the Server Migration...
I work for a small-ish company, started as a webdesign, grew to domains,
hosting, signs, vehicle wraps, blah blah blah.
One of our older servers, was starting to die, so we moved to a newer
server.
Of *course* we were promised it would be seamless...
(Forgive me if I forget to rot any UI, my first post here)
Old server has QverpgNqzva.
New server, pCnary
First problem: QN has it setup so the created user can recieve email.
pCnary doesn't like that.
Second problem: Seems the migration tool missed databases
Third problem: NETWORK SWITCH DIED GAHHHHHHHHHH
Fourth problem: Found out we didn't get the IP block for SSL sites
Fifth problem: We got the IPs, but for some reason they weren't
unreachable.
Got the IPs up. Got the SSL in. YAY
6th problem: Today: THE FSCKING IPs ARE FSCKING DOWN AGAIN
The company that takes care of our servers isn't the greatest, but it's
never been THIS bad...
There's been a LOT of techs we don't recognize responding to us... I
think either the 'regulars' are on vacation (lucky bastards) or there's
been a reshuffling...
Oh, and the one guy who keeps replying to our tickets seems to think that
we are a LOW priority, even tho we have customers (including a nuclear
power plant!) breathing down at us on this...
*screams and sobs*
These people lost the root password to their own server, and had to call
US for it.
--
Jon
Joe Zeff
> Fifth problem: We got the IPs, but for some reason they weren't
> unreachable.
^^^^^^^
Interesting typo.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
LART them all and let sysadmin sort it out!
David Gersic
> Heh, Guess i was optimistic.
> I LOVE computers, tinkering, etc. Hardware, software, even found
> volunteering tech support fun.
Yeah, that'll get you in to trouble every time.
> *screams and sobs*
That's about right. Welcome to hell.
Introductory rant score: 5. Good on the pain and suffering, and having
to deal with luserish support. Could be stronger on the rage.
mikea
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:10 +0000 (UTC), Clarjon1 <clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com> wrote:
>> Heh, Guess i was optimistic.
>> I LOVE computers, tinkering, etc. Hardware, software, even found
>> volunteering tech support fun.
>
> Yeah, that'll get you in to trouble every time.
>
>> *screams and sobs*
>
> That's about right. Welcome to hell.
And heeeeeeere's ... your _ACCORDION_!!!!!
> Introductory rant score: 5. Good on the pain and suffering, and having
> to deal with luserish support. Could be stronger on the rage.
A bit shy on bitterness, too.
Don't worry about it -- rage and bitterness will come with time. You can
be reassured on that point.
Welcome, Brother Bastard. Beer's over there, and you're expected to get
into the wifi network without us having to tell you what the
authentication methods, keys, passwords, and SSID are. The strong acids,
HV power supplies, and other useful tools are through _that_ door.
--
I do not have enough Scotch in this house to attempt an XP install.
-- Peter Corlett, in A Place That Shall Not Be Named
Clarjon1
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:10 +0000, Clarjon1 wrote:
>
>> Fifth problem: We got the IPs, but for some reason they weren't
>> unreachable.
> ^^^^^^^
> Interesting typo.
uggc://jjj.zreevnz-jrofgre.pbz/qvpgvbanel/JRERA%27G
No typo ^^
Jim
Your post therefore implies that the IPs were reachable.
Jim
--
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and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
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Clarjon1
Eh, my rage is somewhat diminished because of a 2 week vacation starting
tomorrow. And I used most of my rage typing it up, and not having a
certain extra header being sent...
Now my current pet peeve is lusers who cannot read the ALL CAPS SIZE 20
RED FONT that appears when they log into the old webmail user, telling
them the change they need to make to send/receive mail... and then they
call us with: "Hello? I tried to log into my webmail and I got a strange
error..."
Didn't see myself coming here for another couple of years at least...
Heh, I most likely would have made it too, if it wasn't for this
'upgrade'...
At least my boss isn't a PHB, and knows his stuff rather well.
Oh, did I forget to mention that the old server has been broken into and
has rootkits installed? [UI] Rfcrpvnyyl guvf AVPR bar gung perngrf n svyr
va /qri, naq erpbeqf FFU ybtvaf. Hfref, cnffjbeqf, rgp. Sbhaq na rnfl jnl
gb qrsrng vg, qryrgr gur svyr, naq ya -f /qri/ahyy /qri/fnhk [/UI]
We can't go back to the old server, we don't wanna go forward with this
new one much anymore, and customers are dropping.
Oh, and i JUST found out that our custom made CMS stuff doesn't wanna
work suddenly! Just fscking great...
Pardon me while I pop this vein on my forehead...
Clarjon1
> Clarjon1 <clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:36:06 +0000, Joe Zeff wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:10 +0000, Clarjon1 wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fifth problem: We got the IPs, but for some reason they weren't
>> >> unreachable.
>> > ^^^^^^^
>> > Interesting typo.
>>
>> uggc://jjj.zreevnz-jrofgre.pbz/qvpgvbanel/JRERA%27G
>>
>> No typo ^^
>
> Your post therefore implies that the IPs were reachable.
>
> Jim
Hm. Well, quick fix.
s/un//;
Heh, with the way their network has been lately... both unreachable and
reachable are correct. When did they install the YOYO RFC in network
switches again?
Jim
> >> >> Fifth problem: We got the IPs, but for some reason they weren't
> >> >> unreachable.
> >> > ^^^^^^^
> >> > Interesting typo.
> >>
> >> uggc://jjj.zreevnz-jrofgre.pbz/qvpgvbanel/JRERA%27G
> >>
> >> No typo ^^
> >
> > Your post therefore implies that the IPs were reachable.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Hm. Well, quick fix.
> s/un//;
>
> Heh, with the way their network has been lately... both unreachable and
> reachable are correct. When did they install the YOYO RFC in network
> switches again?
1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
mikea
> Clarjon1 <clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> Fifth problem: We got the IPs, but for some reason they weren't
>> >> >> unreachable.
>> >> > ^^^^^^^
>> >> > Interesting typo.
>> >>
>> >> uggc://jjj.zreevnz-jrofgre.pbz/qvpgvbanel/JRERA%27G
>> >>
>> >> No typo ^^
>> >
>> > Your post therefore implies that the IPs were reachable.
>> >
>> > Jim
>>
>> Hm. Well, quick fix.
>> s/un//;
>>
>> Heh, with the way their network has been lately... both unreachable and
>> reachable are correct. When did they install the YOYO RFC in network
>> switches again?
>
> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
Probably not. It was sent over the then-new VOIP system, using modems on
both ends.
--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mi...@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin
mikea
Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
--
Think of M$ software as bilharzia crossed with those retrocorneal
filaria that are ugly enough to make a tapeworm scolex look like a
work of art.
Clarjon1
>> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
>
Ah, that'll be it. I missed the memo, due to existence issues.
I've only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
> Probably not. It was sent over the then-new VOIP system, using modems on
> both ends.
Ah, that reminds me... I've been able to cut down on the number of
telemarketers calling... Just keep a box around with a modem...
Jung V qb vf vafgnyy n IREL zvavzny xreary, jvgu whfg onfvp qvfx (V unir
n fznyy hfo synfu qvfx nf obbg), naq zbqrz, irel fgevccrq qbja vafgnyy nf
jryy, jvgu whfg n qvnyre, frg gb chapu enaqbz ahzore gbarf...
10 frpbaqf nsgre cbjre ba, vg'f rvgure tbvat guebhtu gur nhgbzngrq
flfgrzf snfg rabhtu gung (ubcrshyyl!) gurl jvyy penfu, be gur
gryrznexrgre jvyy urne gur naablvat qvnyre.
Clarjon1
> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
That's what I was afraid of ;)
David Cameron Staples
>> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
>
> That's what I was afraid of ;)
^^ Friendly advice. Don't do that here.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT unimelb DOT edu DOT au
Melbourne University | School of Engineering | IT Support
Axl Rose is an idiot with the voice of a ten-year-old girl choking to
death on a brillo pad -- bash.org/?22518
Lionel
>
>> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
>
> That's what I was afraid of ;)
Indeed. Be afraid - be very afraid.
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
Lawns 'R' Us
> Welcome, Brother Bastard. Beer's over there, and you're expected to get
> into the wifi network without us having to tell you what the
> authentication methods, keys, passwords, and SSID are. The strong acids,
> HV power supplies, and other useful tools are through _that_ door.
The one with the handle directly connected to the three phase?
John F. Eldredge
Either that, or it leads directly to a deep shaft, like the one in Lord
Vetinari's office.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
David Cameron Staples
> In article <pan.2009.12...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM>,
> David Cameron Staples wrote:
>> in Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:43:43 +0000, Clarjon1 in hic loco scripsit:
>
>>>> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
>>>
>>> That's what I was afraid of ;)
>
>> ^^ Friendly advice. Don't do that here.
>
> What's wrong, David? Run out of ammo?
First offense.
--
David Cameron Staples | staples AT unimelb DOT edu DOT au
Melbourne University | School of Engineering | IT Support
you know you've been doing too much SQL when you're at a prompt and
do SELECT * FROM /bin; -- bash.org/?5274
Steve VanDevender
> in Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:43:43 +0000, Clarjon1 in hic loco scripsit:
>
>>> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
>>
>> That's what I was afraid of ;)
>
> ^^ Friendly advice. Don't do that here.
Careful, "^^" can be interpreted as an emoticon too.
If a.s.r has an emoticon at all, it would have to be something like
=>:-Q
^^ ^
|| |
|| `- scream of apopleptic rage, flying spittle
||
|`- angry eyebrows
|
`- devil horns
--
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Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
David Gersic
> If a.s.r has an emoticon at all, it would have to be something like
>
> =>:-Q
>
> ^^ ^
> || |
> || `- scream of apopleptic rage, flying spittle
> ||
> |`- angry eyebrows
> |
> `- devil horns
Shouldn't it also somehow include a ! ("ball bat")?
Jim
> >>>> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
> >>>
> >>> That's what I was afraid of ;)
> >
> >> ^^ Friendly advice. Don't do that here.
> >
> > What's wrong, David? Run out of ammo?
>
> First offense.
I thought we were advocates of the penalty for a first offense
preventing the possibility of a second offense?
Jim
--
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Joe Zeff
> Either that, or it leads directly to a deep shaft, like the one in Lord
> Vetinari's office.
You mean the one that *sometines* leads directly to a deep shaft?
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
Never trust a "Christain" preacher who wears a five thousand dollar suit.
John Burnham
>
> I thought we were advocates of the penalty for a first offense
> preventing the possibility of a second offense?
>
For users, sure. For people claiming peer position... Well, they get one
and only one free fsckup.
J
Bob Vaughan
Well.. you can't actually connect more than one phase to the doorknob
without blowing fuses/circuit breakers.
You really need something that requires two hands, like a cipher lock
plus the doorknob, each connected to a different phase.. Conductive floormats
won't do any good unless you are barefoot, so you are really only going
to be able to use two phases..
--
-- Welcome My Son, Welcome To The Machine --
Bob Vaughan | techie @ tantivy.net |
| P.O. Box 19792, Stanford, Ca 94309 |
-- I am Me, I am only Me, And no one else is Me, What could be simpler? --
Clarjon1
>>> *screams and sobs*
>>
>> That's about right. Welcome to hell.
>
> And heeeeeeere's ... your _ACCORDION_!!!!!
*Plays polka*
> Don't worry about it -- rage and bitterness will come with time. You can
> be reassured on that point.
Yeah, backup season *Shudder*
> Welcome, Brother Bastard. Beer's over there, and you're expected to get
> into the wifi network without us having to tell you what the
> authentication methods, keys, passwords, and SSID are. The strong acids,
> HV power supplies, and other useful tools are through _that_ door.
Ok.
I'll get out my laptop, ssh into an insecure machine, copy the network
settings from /etc. [1]
I ask someone else to open it, telling them it's locked and I have no
key, their curiosity causing them to attempt to open the door.
Hmm. They're knocked out... Change of plans.
I inspect the seemingly redundant server racks on the adjoining walls
until I find the secret door.
[1] Been there, done that...
Maarten Wiltink
this in message news:hgf3qe$2eqs$1...@isis.novusordo.net...
[...]
> If a.s.r has an emoticon at all, it would have to be something like
>
> =>:-Q
>
> ^^ ^
> || |
> || `- scream of apopleptic rage, flying spittle
> ||
I thought that part was the falling anvil.
(Quoted text massaged slightly to be able to react to two things at once.)
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
John F. Eldredge
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:55:31 +0000, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>
>> Either that, or it leads directly to a deep shaft, like the one in Lord
>> Vetinari's office.
>
> You mean the one that *sometines* leads directly to a deep shaft?
Ah, yes. I had forgotten that detail.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> In article <slrnhilpsf...@invalid.hostname.does.not.exist.666.au>,
> Lawns 'R' Us <nob...@nowhere.example.com> wrote:
>>The one with the handle directly connected to the three phase?
>
> Well.. you can't actually connect more than one phase to the doorknob
> without blowing fuses/circuit breakers.
>
> You really need something that requires two hands, like a cipher lock
> plus the doorknob, each connected to a different phase.. Conductive floormats
> won't do any good unless you are barefoot, so you are really only going
> to be able to use two phases..
If the third phase is high voltage enough, you just need it to be in
general vicinity.
--
TimC
Bus error -- driver executed.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
>> in Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:43:43 +0000, Clarjon1 in hic loco scripsit:
>>
>>>> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
>>>
>>> That's what I was afraid of ;)
>>
>> ^^ Friendly advice. Don't do that here.
>
> Careful, "^^" can be interpreted as an emoticon too.
This is not alt.sysadmin.nicey-nice.hello-kitty
--
TimC
"Always carry a flagon of whisky....in case of snake bite,
and furthermore always carry a small snake." - W.C. FIELDS
mikea
I refer the group to the pieces I have posted on testing HV capacitors,
which may provide information of some utility in this context.
--
SQUAWK! Pieces of eight.
SQUAWK! Pieces of eight.
SQUAWK! Pieces of nine$#$#@@System halted: parroty error
(used by Niklas Karlsson, among others, but very old)
Steve VanDevender
> On 2009-12-18, Steve VanDevender (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> David Cameron Staples <sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM> writes:
>>
>>> in Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:43:43 +0000, Clarjon1 in hic loco scripsit:
>>>
>>>>> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
>>>>
>>>> That's what I was afraid of ;)
>>>
>>> ^^ Friendly advice. Don't do that here.
>>
>> Careful, "^^" can be interpreted as an emoticon too.
>
> This is not alt.sysadmin.nicey-nice.hello-kitty
uggc://nepuvirf.rlevr.bet/navzr/Zvfpryynarbhf/ux.gur-qnl-fnaevb-qvrq.tm
For the first time in her life, Hello Kitty was pissed.
Not just upset, or even angry, but pissed. As she looked up at the
glass and steel tower that was the Sanrio Corporation headquarters,
she knew that her moment of retribution had come. It was time for
the suits to pay the piper..."
--
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vi troff su fsck rm * halt LART LART LART!" -- the Swedish BOFH
Brian Kantor
>Well.. you can't actually connect more than one phase to the doorknob
>without blowing fuses/circuit breakers.
Correct. One of the others connects to the deadbolt.
The third phase may optionally be connected to the pushplate
or kickplate as appropriate.
- Brian
Brian Kantor
>> Conductive floormats
>> won't do any good unless you are barefoot
Have you neglected the conductivity of leather-soled
shoes with sweaty feet in them? Funny how the PHBs
don't wear rubber soles much...
- Brian
Zebee Johnstone
AdB <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
>
> ObSysadmin: this very newssewer now says it has no uptime, even though I
> _know_ it last booted 497 days ago. Dragging my arse out of bed early on
> a Saturday just to make sure that didn't trip any alerts is dedication,
> and not dedication to any sort of remunerative cause. Oneday I may even
> motivate myself to upgrade this ancient hardware.
I have over 100 of those. Of course getting permission to reboot them
is damn near impossible, but on the 498th day the howls are loud and
it's All My Fault.
Standard operating procedure in other words.
Zebee
Alan J Rosenthal
>Your post therefore implies that the IPs were reachable.
"Two unreachables don't make a reachable."
ObASR: A new reason to have to come in over the holidays.
Shmuel Metz
at 04:34 PM, Clarjon1 <clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com>
said:
>Heh, Guess i was optimistic.
That's easy to fix. Here's your &foo release 3 and the documentation for
&foo Release 4, which was a total rewrite. No, Babelfish can't handle
Klingon.
>And then came... the Server Migration...
D,NA
>Of *course* we were promised it would be seamless...
Hey Flounder! You fscked up; you trusted them.
>(Forgive me if I forget to rot any UI,
You are forgiven for not rot'ing it. You are not, however, forgiven for
posting it. Remember, rot(UI) = UI.
>Oh, and the one guy who keeps replying to our tickets seems to think
>that we are a LOW priority, even tho we have customers (including a
>nuclear power plant!) breathing down at us on this...
And of course you don't have an SLA.
>These people lost the root password to their own server, and had to call
> US for it.
That's unfortunate. But never forget that the original Dilbert strips were
nature studies.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> ISO position
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)
Shmuel Metz
at 05:25 PM, ab...@127.0.0.1 said:
>.... but only in English a double positive means a negative.
IF �(�FOO)) THEN ...
Brian Kantor
>is damn near impossible, but on the 498th day the howls are loud and
>it's All My Fault.
Stage a power failure.
As we all know, even a UPS can be persuaded to fault.
So far, my best tool for doing this is <UI deleted>.
- Brian
mikea
> In <N%7Xm.3896$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, on 12/19/2009
> at 05:25 PM, ab...@127.0.0.1 said:
>
>>.... but only in English a double positive means a negative.
>
Yeah, yeah!
--
My S.O. asked me why there wasn't a Microsoft-brand antivirus,
then immediately said, "Oh, of course. If they can't fix the
OS, you'd be crazy to buy their antivirus as an add-on."
-- Kevin Martin
Seth
>Jim <j...@magrathea.plus.com> wrote in <1javzop.18si26u1dm6hshN%j...@magrathea.plus.com>:
>> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
>
>Probably not. It was sent over the then-new VOIP system, using modems on
>both ends.
VOIP in 1972? In which alternate universe?
OTOH, yoyo-routing was quite common back then (and even earlier).
When an IMP went down, the IMP 2 to its left (A) would say "I can
reach it in two hops" so the IMP immediately to its left (B) would
think "I can reach it in 3 hops" getting IMP A to think "4 hops via B"
getting B to think "5 hops via A" until eventually the long-way around
(but still up) route got shorter.
If this is UI, may I borrow your time machine to make a few stock
market investments?
Seth
Seth
Bob Vaughan <tec...@tantivy.tantivy.net> wrote:
>Well.. you can't actually connect more than one phase to the doorknob
>without blowing fuses/circuit breakers.
Sure you can. You're assuming that the doorknob is fully conductive,
rather than being three pieces of metal separated by insulators (like
a pie-chart).
If this is UI, I don't want to know about it and you didn't get it
from me.
Seth
Seth
Steve VanDevender <ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote:
>David Cameron Staples <sta...@cs.mu.oz.au.SPAM> writes:
>> in Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:43:43 +0000, Clarjon1 in hic loco scripsit:
>>> That's what I was afraid of ;)
>>
>> ^^ Friendly advice. Don't do that here.
>
>Careful, "^^" can be interpreted as an emoticon too.
And we care about others misinterpreting things why? (That is, when
we aren't in favor of it.)
Seth
Niklas Karlsson
[description of a pbhagvat-gb-vasvavgl problem]
> If this is UI, may I borrow your time machine to make a few stock
> market investments?
Well, WeSellBridgesButAtLeastOurLogoShowsIt still pushes it as UI, or
they did as recently as a few years back...
*pets sigmonster*
Niklas
--
Technology makes it possible for people to gain control
over everything, except over technology.
-- John Tudor
Peter Corlett
[...]
> VOIP in 1972? In which alternate universe?
Well, we didn't have TCP/IP itself for a few more years, but there were
packet-switched networks at that time such as ALOHA. We also kneww how to
digitally compress voice for transmission thanks to Turing and Shannon's
work on vocoders in WWII.
So putting the two concepts together wouldn't be *that* much of a leap. As
per a paper published by a certain Vinton C. Cerf in 1974.
LP
>
> If a.s.r has an emoticon at all, it would have to be something like
surely |!- is more appropriate.
-Paul
--
http://paulseward.com
Brian Kantor
>getting B to think "5 hops via A" until eventually the long-way around
>(but still up) route got shorter.
ITYM spiraling-downward routing. AKA count-to-infinity-and-beyond.
Feh.
This holiday week I'm keeping myself occupied by scanning in
the piles of old documents and manuals infesting my "guest room"
(which in fact cannot be occupied by guests until the paper is
gone). Today's first candidate was the big yellow BBN1822, the
whole ream of it.
Next up, CDC manuals.
TGIA(utofeed).
- Brian
Brian Kantor
>Well, we didn't have TCP/IP itself for a few more years, but there were
>packet-switched networks at that time such as ALOHA.
IBtD! While ALOHA was sort'a packet network, the packets weren't switched,
they were banished into the ether. And not the fun kind, either.
- Brian
mikea
Which ones! Index!! Index!! URL!! URL!!
--
The problem with sendmail is not that it has too few features.
-- Alan J Rosenthal, in alt.sysadmin.recovery
mikea
> On 2009-12-20, mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in <4b2e3d00$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>:
>>> In <N%7Xm.3896$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, on 12/19/2009
>>> at 05:25 PM, ab...@127.0.0.1 said:
>>>
>>>>.... but only in English a double positive means a negative.
>>>
>>> IF ?(?FOO)) THEN ...
>>
>> Yeah, yeah!
>
Yeah, yeah. Or, if you prefer, Suuuuuuuure.
About 1970, at the Wycliffe Bible Translators anual meeting
at ou.edu, one speaker said roughly this:
"Many languages use a single negational word to indicate negation; some,
such as French, use two: `n'est pas'. There are no languages of which I
am aware that use a double affirmational word to indicate negation."
One of the professors of modern language in the audience rose, said,
"yeah, yeah", and walked out.
I therefore prefer the "yeah, yeah" form as one blessed in the halls of
academe.
It may be of interest to the Bastards that in English, a single
affirmational word or particle can, under many circumstances, indicate
negation.
--
"A lady came up to me on the street and pointed at my suede jacket. You
know a cow was murdered for that jacket?' she sneered.
I replied in a psychotic tone, 'I didn't know there were any witnesses.
Now I'll have to kill you too." --Jake Johansen
Lawns 'R' Us
> It may be of interest to the Bastards that in English, a single
> affirmational word or particle can, under many circumstances, indicate
> negation.
Rather like "Yes, dear"?
Jim
No, no. "Yes, dear" is a purely delaying tactic.
Jim
--
http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK
"Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers
and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
Zebee Johnstone
mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
> Brian Kantor <br...@ucsd.edu> wrote in <kv0n0...@ucsd.edu>:
>> In article <hglv9e$fn5$4...@reader1.panix.com>, Seth <se...@panix.com> wrote:
>>>getting B to think "5 hops via A" until eventually the long-way around
>>>(but still up) route got shorter.
>>
>> ITYM spiraling-downward routing. AKA count-to-infinity-and-beyond.
>> Feh.
>>
>> This holiday week I'm keeping myself occupied by scanning in
>> the piles of old documents and manuals infesting my "guest room"
>> (which in fact cannot be occupied by guests until the paper is
>> gone). Today's first candidate was the big yellow BBN1822, the
>> whole ream of it.
>>
>> Next up, CDC manuals.
>
> Which ones! Index!! Index!! URL!! URL!!
You know most people like to go back to the books of their childhood.
Wind in the Willows, Rosemary Sutcliffe, Wizard of Oz.
Mike wants the nostalgic comfort of CDC manuals.
I suppose I should be grateful I feel no desire to do Atari basic
again.
(Star raiders on the other hand....)
Zebee
Mike Causer
Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Next up, CDC manuals.
> >
> > Which ones! Index!! Index!! URL!! URL!!
>
> You know most people like to go back to the books of their childhood.
> Wind in the Willows, Rosemary Sutcliffe, Wizard of Oz.
>
> Mike wants the nostalgic comfort of CDC manuals.
CDC wasn't quite in what I'd call my youth, and *no*thank*you* I do NOT
want to see them again.
Swallows & Amazons are well covered in 2nd-hand bookshops, but what was
the name (& author) of the series about an Aussie who made really
high-tech ships/aircraft in the 1950/60's. Including picking up on
hovercraft very early but finding that the spray curtain made them far
too easy to see by the black-hats? I think hero's name was Black, but
ICBW.
For the very young I have a full set of Solaris 4.1 manuals. Yours for
the shipping cost from or within the UK. Also have SunOs 1.0
installation tapes, if you have a working QIC-4 drive and an MC68010.
Sadly I suspect that the scrap-metal value of their aluminium
base-plates far exceeds their nostalgia worth.
Mike (FTAoD a /different/ Mike)
John F. Eldredge
> Swallows & Amazons are well covered in 2nd-hand bookshops, but what was
> the name (& author) of the series about an Aussie who made really
> high-tech ships/aircraft in the 1950/60's. Including picking up on
> hovercraft very early but finding that the spray curtain made them far
> too easy to see by the black-hats? I think hero's name was Black, but
> ICBW.
If hovercraft were still considered exotic, this must have been in the
1950's or very early 1960's. By 1969, hovercraft ferries were in daily
use across the English Channel; I remember riding on one there in
December 1969. As a science-geek 12-year-old, I was quite familiar with
the concept, but I remember that both of my parents were very puzzled as
to why the ferry was sitting on dry land, not in the water, when we
boarded it.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Paul
news:7pakad...@mid.individual.net:
> If hovercraft were still considered exotic, this must have been in
> the 1950's or very early 1960's. By 1969, hovercraft ferries were
> in daily use across the English Channel; I remember riding on one
> there in December 1969. As a science-geek 12-year-old, I was
> quite familiar with the concept, but I remember that both of my
> parents were very puzzled as to why the ferry was sitting on dry
> land, not in the water, when we boarded it.
To keep out the eels?
--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant
Brian Kantor
>Which ones! Index!! Index!! URL!! URL!!
Still collecting them from the other sysadmins around the campus,
but so far today: system manual, compass, fortran, presto.
URL will follow when I get it config'd.
- Brian
Jim Howes
> If hovercraft were still considered exotic, this must have been in the
> 1950's or very early 1960's. By 1969, hovercraft ferries were in daily
> use across the English Channel; I remember riding on one there in
> December 1969. As a science-geek 12-year-old, I was quite familiar with
> the concept, but I remember that both of my parents were very puzzled as
> to why the ferry was sitting on dry land, not in the water, when we
> boarded it.
Here in Portsmouth we still have a regular scheduled hovercraft service
to the isle of wight. It's not for the faint-hearted however, coming
into Portsmouth at low tide is interesting, as all the passengers can
see is a wall of shingle approaching at high speed. Ryde (the other end
of the route) is just a long sandy approach at either high or low tide.
Jim
ObRant: Having given up network administration and writing software for
assorted weird platforms, I'm now running a betting shop in Portsmouth.
You'd think I'd be safe from network security issues, but I've just
dropped myself into a really hairy one that lets less-than-honest staff
pinch huge quantities from the company.
Ohttre.
Shmuel Metz
at 01:05 PM, mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> said:
>Brian Kantor <br...@ucsd.edu> wrote in <kv0n0...@ucsd.edu>:
>> Next up, CDC manuals.
>Which ones! Index!!
I've got some on the 3600 and the 6600 family, but no scanner. Also some
on machines that I've never programmed, e.g., Sigma 7.
Shmuel Metz
at 11:19 PM, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> said:
>You know most people like to go back to the books of their childhood.
If you count adolescence as childhood, then, e.g., the 650, 707x and
709x[1] manuals were included in the books of my childhood. I could make a
case for the 650 having been child abuse.
>Mike wants the nostalgic comfort of CDC manuals.
For its day the 3600 was a wonderful machine. I won't attempt[2] to defend
the 6600.
[1] 7090, 7094 and 7094 II, not 709 X, TYVM.
[2] No, being fast is not an adequate excuse.
Brian Kantor
>I've got some on the 3600 and the 6600 family, but no scanner. Also some
>on machines that I've never programmed, e.g., Sigma 7.
Oooh. I remember the Sigma-7. We had one here when I arrived
back when.
I assume folks are aware of bitsavers.org, eh?
- Brian
Jim Howes
>> Next up, CDC manuals.
>
> Which ones! Index!! Index!! URL!! URL!!
>
Dunno about CDC manuals, but I have a load of old DEC stuff on
microfische. Unfortunately, I am lacking a microsfische reader to
actually make use of them.
A long time ago in a newsgroup far, far away, I made an index of them
thus...
uggc://jjj.wvzubjrf.bet.hx/svfpur.gkg
As far as the VMS source copyright, I'm past caring. I dare say that is
someone offers me something sufficiently postage-paid or
alcoholic-by-volume, that these fisches are negotiable.
I appologise in advance for being helpful.
Regards,
Jim
Now a betting shop manager in Portsmouth, and not concerned with windows
and/or C any longer (although that is a rumour, and may be incorrect,
but I'm not going into detail)
Mike Causer
Mark L Pappin <m...@acm.org> wrote:
> Mike Causer <m.r.c...@goglemail.com> writes:
> > Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>> Next up, CDC manuals.
> >>>
> >>> Which ones! Index!! Index!! URL!! URL!!
> >>
> >> You know most people like to go back to the books of their childhood.
> >> Wind in the Willows, Rosemary Sutcliffe, Wizard of Oz.
> >>
> >> Mike wants the nostalgic comfort of CDC manuals.
> >
> > CDC wasn't quite in what I'd call my youth, and *no*thank*you* I do NOT
> > want to see them again.
>
> It wasn't your youth being discussed, nor your desires. Had you not
> culled attributions, <THWAP sidenote="and don't do that again"/>, this
> would have been obvious from your post itself rather than only from
> its predecessor.
Hmmm. I tend to assume that the audience here is intelligent enough to
follow a thread without regurgitating many headers, so I trim to the
most recent to keep the clutter down.
Perhaps I'm wrong.
> You aren't the only Mike in here.
As I pointed out.
> In fact, compared to some Mikes, you've barely arrived.
.... using my current email address. I've had quite a few in the
last 30 years.
Don't think I've been posting here /quite/ that long though. Half of
that is possible. Too many jobs, too many back-up tapes with no drive
to read them!
Mike (Correct spelunking on current address before using.)
mikea
> In <slrnhj00ku...@gmail.com>, on 12/21/2009
> at 11:19 PM, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>You know most people like to go back to the books of their childhood.
>
> If you count adolescence as childhood, then, e.g., the 650, 707x and
> 709x[1] manuals were included in the books of my childhood. I could make a
> case for the 650 having been child abuse.
>
>>Mike wants the nostalgic comfort of CDC manuals.
>
> For its day the 3600 was a wonderful machine. I won't attempt[2] to defend
> the 6600.
The 3600, in its day, and the 3800 once it arrived, were marvels:
speedy, roomy, agile.
The 6600 was an experiment in architecture. It ... well, I'm sure it
looked like a great idea: have a bunch of service machines -- not very
fast, not very big, but with I/O facilities -- talk through shared
memory with a very fast, very roomy central processor that didn't have
to do I/O. The 6400 I don't know much about, but AIUI it was along the
same lines, and the 7600 and its brethren were rather more so.
As I wrote, I'm sure it looked like a great idea. In practice ... I'm
not so sure.
--
"Shub-Internet, Great Beast of a Thousand Processes, Avatar of Line Noise,
Imp of Call Waiting, hideous multi-tendriled entity formed of manifold
connections of the Internet. ... a beast with three heads: Eater-of-Posts,
Beast-of-Flamewar, and the Deallocator." -- Alistair J.R. Young
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Here in Portsmouth we still have a regular scheduled hovercraft service
full of eels?
> to the isle of wight. It's not for the faint-hearted however, coming
> into Portsmouth at low tide is interesting, as all the passengers can
> see is a wall of shingle approaching at high speed. Ryde (the other end
> of the route) is just a long sandy approach at either high or low tide.
That'd suck to have the main fan give out at that point.
--
TimC
>> Imagine what a tipped over tractor-trailer ... full of potatoes looks like.
> Not half as messy as a truckload of oranges.
Or a hovercraft full of eels. -- Tanuki on ASR
Lawns 'R' Us
> Hmmm. I tend to assume that the audience here is intelligent enough to
> follow a thread without regurgitating many headers, so I trim to the
> most recent to keep the clutter down.
>
> Perhaps I'm wrong.
There's no "perhaps" about it. If there's text from a given post
quoted in your post, LEAVE THE FSCKING ATTRIBUTIONS WHERE THEY FSCKING
WELL BELONG.
And, since I'm in a rather narky mood: *BLAM*.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Mark L Pappin <m...@acm.org> wrote:
>> It wasn't your youth being discussed, nor your desires. Had you not
>> culled attributions, <THWAP sidenote="and don't do that again"/>, this
>> would have been obvious from your post itself rather than only from
>> its predecessor.
>
> Hmmm. I tend to assume that the audience here is intelligent enough to
> follow a thread without regurgitating many headers, so I trim to the
> most recent to keep the clutter down.
>
> Perhaps I'm wrong.
Yes, yes you are.
Usenet is asynchronous.
--
TimC
"sometimes, when I'm really angry and on edge, there's nothing to replace a good
'FUCK'" -- bikerbetty in aus.motorcycles on the merits of occasionally swearing
Richard Bos
> On 2009-12-17, Jim <j...@magrathea.plus.com> wrote:
> > Your post therefore implies that the IPs were reachable.
>
> Over here that would be The Bad Thing(tm). Unreachable = NMP,
> reachable but not working = "oh crap, what now".
>
> ... but only in English a double positive means a negative.
Nope. The same joke works in Dutch. And I think in German, too, but I'm
not entirely up to speed on colloquial German.
Richard
Richard Bos
Shmuel Metz
at 11:21 PM, Mike Causer <m.r.c...@goglemail.com> said:
>Hmmm. I tend to assume that the audience here is intelligent enough to
>follow a thread without regurgitating many headers,
Google for "Turing Tar Pit". Even were we (TINW) willing to do so, and
even if the relevant articles arrived synchronously, it would still be an
imposition. Remember that after Heracles cleaned the Augean Stables, he
killed the man who asked him to do it[1].
>so I trim to the most recent
Instead of trimming to the most relevant.
>to keep the clutter down.
FSVO clutter. If you want to keep the clutter down, trim what is
irrelevant for context. Attribution lines for text that you quote are
relevant.
[1] If anybody has a copy of "Up the Organization", do I have
the quote right?
Seth
<ab...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>On 2009-12-20, mikea <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spam...@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in <4b2e3d00$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2...@news.patriot.net>:
>>> In <N%7Xm.3896$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, on 12/19/2009
>>> at 05:25 PM, ab...@127.0.0.1 said:
>>>
>>>>.... but only in English a double positive means a negative.
>>>
>>> IF ?(?FOO)) THEN ...
>>
>> Yeah, yeah!
>
>"Yeah, right" is the canonical form.
"Yeah, sure" is the version I'd heard.
Seth
Maarten Wiltink
news:4b30d54...@news.xs4all.nl...
> ab...@127.0.0.1 wrote:
>> ... but only in English a double positive means a negative.
>
> Nope. The same joke works in Dutch. And I think in German, too,
> but I'm not entirely up to speed on colloquial German.
In truth, I suspect it works in any language that acknowledges
sarcasm, or in other words, actual use by humans.
...Neatly excluding Pascal. It could probably be done in Perl.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Niklas Karlsson
It could also be done in C, but if you don't know EXACTLY what you're
doing, you'll instead end up mortally insulting the mother of the
well-armed, short-tempered person you're talking to.
*pets sigmonster* Seems to be getting sentient again...
Niklas
--
> I was ready to commit a killing spree.
I can't help but wonder just what Code Management System you were using
that would allow such a transaction. Enquiring minds want to know!
-- Gallian and Joe Zeff in asr
Robert Uhl
>>> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
>>
>
> Ah, that'll be it. I missed the memo, due to existence issues.
> I've only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
Egads, someone younger than _me_! Eleven years younger than me, even.
I'm feeling old.
--
Robert A. Uhl
3% of my problems have IP-addresses. 97% of my problems have names. --Tanuki
Zebee Johnstone
Robert Uhl <eadm...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Clarjon1 <clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com> writes:
>
>>>> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
>>>
>>
>> Ah, that'll be it. I missed the memo, due to existence issues.
>> I've only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
>
> Egads, someone younger than _me_! Eleven years younger than me, even.
>
> I'm feeling old.
He's making my *keyboard* feel old!
Zebee
Niklas Karlsson
> Clarjon1 <clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com> writes:
>> I've only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
>
> Egads, someone younger than _me_! Eleven years younger than me, even.
>
> I'm feeling old.
Eh, I'm younger than you, too. Clarjon1 still makes me feel old, though,
at nine years my junior.
Niklas
--
Why is the C silent in rap music?
-- Guy Chapman
Joe Zeff
> On 2009-12-27, Robert Uhl <eadm...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> Clarjon1 <clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com> writes:
>>> Ah, that'll be it. I missed the memo, due to existence issues. I've
>>> only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
>>
>> Egads, someone younger than _me_! Eleven years younger than me, even.
>>
>> I'm feeling old.
>
> Eh, I'm younger than you, too. Clarjon1 still makes me feel old, though,
> at nine years my junior.
And how do you think I feel? When Clarjon1 manifested I was getting
ready for the "big four zero." You're all a bunch of puppies to me.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged by reality.
Dan Birchall
> >> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
> I've only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
Hmmm... as someone only 1-2 times your age[1], I don't think enough
has happened for you to be recovering already. But oh, it will.
It always does. You just have more years of it happening to look
forward to than some of us.
About time we got a proper PFY in here again. :)
[1] depending on whether you began getting memos upon birth, or upon
graduation from high school.
--
112. If the gun can't fit through the x-ray machine,
it doesn't go on the plane.
Paul
news:slrnhjgl6t.1ig....@my-286.myhome.westell.com:
> clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com (Clarjon1) wrote:
>> >> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
>> Ah, that'll be it. I missed the memo, due to existence issues.
>> I've only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
>
> Hmmm... as someone only 1-2 times your age[1], I don't think
> enough has happened for you to be recovering already. But oh, it
> will. It always does. You just have more years of it happening to
> look forward to than some of us.
>
> About time we got a proper PFY in here again. :)
>
> [1] depending on whether you began getting memos upon birth, or
> upon graduation from high school.
Foo. I have child processes who _graduated_ around the time of his
startdate. I am within days of being in a government healthcare
program.
But this is not another uptime DSW, is it?
--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant
Niklas Karlsson
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:38:43 +0000, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>
>> On 2009-12-27, Robert Uhl <eadm...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Egads, someone younger than _me_! Eleven years younger than me, even.
>>>
>>> I'm feeling old.
>>
>> Eh, I'm younger than you, too. Clarjon1 still makes me feel old, though,
>> at nine years my junior.
>
> And how do you think I feel? When Clarjon1 manifested I was getting
> ready for the "big four zero." You're all a bunch of puppies to me.
Oh, I'm well aware that I have a long way to go before I have any sort
of fighting chance in a Monastic age DSW. I was just adding a data point
to the younger end of the scale since Robert seemed surprised to find
anyone younger than he.
Mind you, how old you _feel_ doesn't necessarily bear much relation to
actual chronological age.
Niklas
--
"I regret to say that we of the F.B.I. are powerless to act in cases of
oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate
commerce." -- J. Edgar Hoover
David Cameron Staples
> Mind you, how old you _feel_ doesn't necessarily bear much relation to
> actual chronological age.
I am an old man, waiting for my body to catch up.
Lawns 'R' Us
> I am an old man, waiting for my body to catch up.
Yeah, children will do that to you.
Kevin Goebel
<pssa...@comcast.net.INVALID> wrote:
>Dan Birchall <feeping....@cow-tapult.example.com> wrote in
>news:slrnhjgl6t.1ig....@my-286.myhome.westell.com:
>
>> clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com (Clarjon1) wrote:
>>> >> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
>>> Ah, that'll be it. I missed the memo, due to existence issues.
>>> I've only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
>>
>> Hmmm... as someone only 1-2 times your age[1], I don't think
>> enough has happened for you to be recovering already. But oh, it
>> will. It always does. You just have more years of it happening to
>> look forward to than some of us.
>> About time we got a proper PFY in here again. :)
>> [1] depending on whether you began getting memos upon birth, or
>> upon graduation from high school.
>Foo. I have child processes who _graduated_ around the time of his
>startdate. I am within days of being in a government healthcare
>program.
Most governments have mental health care programs available for people
regardless of age.
Peter Corlett
[...]
> Mind you, how old you _feel_ doesn't necessarily bear much relation to
> actual chronological age.
Also it comes down to how others treat you. Humphrey Lyttleton was
interviewed when he was eighty-something, and reported that he was 35 when
on stage, and 110 in the supermarket.
Just zis Guy, you know?
<kevi...@kevingoebel.com> wrote:
>Most governments have mental health care programs available for people
>regardless of age.
In the UK this is called the House of Lords...
Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/
The usenet price promise: all opinions offered in newsgroups are guaranteed
to be worth the price paid.
Paul
news:1q3jj5p1tuj0rsd6i...@4ax.com:
Yes, I think that was where I was before they "retired" me, though
it was called a state university.
Julien Goodwin
> TimC <tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> writes:
>
>> On 2009-12-18, Steve VanDevender (aka Bruce)
>> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>>>
>>>> in Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:43:43 +0000, Clarjon1 in hic loco scripsit:
>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, yes, you'll fit in _well_ here.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what I was afraid of ;)
>>>>
>>>> ^^ Friendly advice. Don't do that here.
>>>
>>> Careful, "^^" can be interpreted as an emoticon too.
>>
>> This is not alt.sysadmin.nicey-nice.hello-kitty
>
> uggc://nepuvirf.rlevr.bet/navzr/Zvfpryynarbhf/ux.gur-qnl-fnaevb-qvrq.tm
>
> For the first time in her life, Hello Kitty was pissed.
>
> Not just upset, or even angry, but pissed. As she looked up at the
> glass and steel tower that was the Sanrio Corporation headquarters,
> she knew that her moment of retribution had come. It was time for
> the suits to pay the piper..."
>
Thank you, I needed something to ruin early new years day.
Speaking of which, have been playing with *shiny* clocks, I now have a
TrueTime (Symmetricom) XL-DC with a nice 2RU LED display, which I used
tonight to demonstrate just how off the commercial TV stations are
(roughly two seconds).
Julien
Joe Thompson
> clar...@NOSPAM.gmail.NOSPAMFOOBWAHAHAHA.com (Clarjon1) wrote:
>> >> 1972. There was a memo. Didn't you get the memo?
>> Ah, that'll be it. I missed the memo, due to existence issues.
>> I've only been getting memos since May '89 as a result, you see.
>
> Hmmm... as someone only 1-2 times your age[1], I don't think enough
> has happened for you to be recovering already. But oh, it will.
> It always does. You just have more years of it happening to look
> forward to than some of us.
I think my first post in the Monastery was when I was actually younger
than he is now. At any rate I couldn't possibly have been much older.
(It was actually the venerable Mr. Tomblin who pointed me this direction
as I recall.) -- Joe