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Ralph Wade Phillips
Apr 7, 2012, 10:54:24 AM4/7/12
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Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
it's getting a bit lonely out here nowadays!
RwP
it's getting a bit lonely out here nowadays!
RwP
Maarten Wiltink
Apr 7, 2012, 12:30:26 PM4/7/12
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"Ralph Wade Phillips" <ne...@philent.biz> wrote in message
news:jlpkf2$9d4$1...@dont-email.me...
> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
> it's getting a bit lonely out here nowadays!
>
> RwP
Still here. But like the group itself, not as active as has been.
I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
Also, the other hobby is getting slightly out of hand. I *like*
dancing, but four full evenings a week doesn't leave much time
for yet another social life.
And did I mention Assassin's Creed? Now there's a timesink to end
all timesinks.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
news:jlpkf2$9d4$1...@dont-email.me...
> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
> it's getting a bit lonely out here nowadays!
>
> RwP
I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
Also, the other hobby is getting slightly out of hand. I *like*
dancing, but four full evenings a week doesn't leave much time
for yet another social life.
And did I mention Assassin's Creed? Now there's a timesink to end
all timesinks.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Alan J Rosenthal
Apr 7, 2012, 1:09:52 PM4/7/12
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Ralph Wade Phillips <ne...@philent.biz> writes:
>Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
Better passed on than pissed on...
>Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
Niklas Karlsson
Apr 7, 2012, 3:16:01 PM4/7/12
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On 2012-04-07, Ralph Wade Phillips <ne...@philent.biz> wrote:
> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
> it's getting a bit lonely out here nowadays!
I'm still alive. Or at least I've not been informed otherwise.
> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
> it's getting a bit lonely out here nowadays!
There is no shortage of stupidity in the orkplace that might be worth
posting about, though nothing has quite built up to proper
rant-worthiness.
No doubt it's a matter of time, as $BORG seems to work pretty hard to be
a 100% Dilbert compliant organisation. I liked the survey one can fill
out after having an infernal helldesk ticket "resolved". It's headed by
a text saying (from memory): "Please rate the following items from 1
(terrible) to 5 (excellent)", then just above the table of radio
buttons, there's a scale running in the opposite direction...
Niklas
--
"But if you could have removed them at any time..."
"It made everybody feel safer. Besides, I think I kind of liked it after a
while."
-- G'Kar and Lyta (B5) after she breaks her handcuffs upon being released
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Niklas Karlsson
Apr 7, 2012, 4:15:34 PM4/7/12
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On 2012-04-07, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
> they can prevent a non-zero, non-one fraction of outbound communication.
> It's very cute.
Ah yes. Hopefully you won't have to resort to the <UI> once described
thusly:
"In layman's terms, it's the equivalent to pricking out messages in
blood with a broken thumbnail onto paper made from your own scalp
sheddings, then throwing them between the bars of your Turkish prison in
the hope that someone may find them sixty years on."
Niklas
--
"I regret to say that we of the F.B.I. are powerless to act in cases of
oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate
commerce." -- J. Edgar Hoover
> Maarten Wiltink wrote:
>
>>Still here. But like the group itself, not as active as has been.
>>I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
>>that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
>>putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
>
> Hah, you can <UI> to get round that. Or even <UI>. People really think
>
>>Still here. But like the group itself, not as active as has been.
>>I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
>>that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
>>putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
>
> they can prevent a non-zero, non-one fraction of outbound communication.
> It's very cute.
Ah yes. Hopefully you won't have to resort to the <UI> once described
thusly:
"In layman's terms, it's the equivalent to pricking out messages in
blood with a broken thumbnail onto paper made from your own scalp
sheddings, then throwing them between the bars of your Turkish prison in
the hope that someone may find them sixty years on."
Niklas
--
"I regret to say that we of the F.B.I. are powerless to act in cases of
oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate
commerce." -- J. Edgar Hoover
Garrett Wollman
Apr 7, 2012, 10:37:46 PM4/7/12
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In article <nci659-...@news.leftmind.net>, AdB <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
>In retrospect, maybe High Manglement was scoring HR on how happy they
>were keeping the troops and so HR wanted to almost-subtly de-anonymize
>their anonymous survey so people would give the nicer answers they'd
>give knowing they were traceable.
At my place of ork[1], such surveys must be answered online. Client
certificates required. I hope they don't wonder too much about the
participation rate.
But how else would you do it, if you want to prevent people from
gaming the system. One would have to presume that any third-party
"escrow" provider was colluding with Inhuman Resources.
-GAWollman
[1] Still the same one, a large private research university on the
Charles that doesn't start with "H". They still don't pay me enough
to speak for them.
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
>In retrospect, maybe High Manglement was scoring HR on how happy they
>were keeping the troops and so HR wanted to almost-subtly de-anonymize
>their anonymous survey so people would give the nicer answers they'd
>give knowing they were traceable.
At my place of ork[1], such surveys must be answered online. Client
certificates required. I hope they don't wonder too much about the
participation rate.
But how else would you do it, if you want to prevent people from
gaming the system. One would have to presume that any third-party
"escrow" provider was colluding with Inhuman Resources.
-GAWollman
[1] Still the same one, a large private research university on the
Charles that doesn't start with "H". They still don't pay me enough
to speak for them.
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
TimC
Apr 7, 2012, 11:14:53 PM4/7/12
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On 2012-04-07, Maarten Wiltink (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
a little 480x800 screen and 4" wide keyboard is going to be
difficult. Plus, harder to get away with head down to the phone
compared to a 80x24 green on black console.
> Also, the other hobby is getting slightly out of hand. I *like*
> dancing, but four full evenings a week doesn't leave much time
> for yet another social life.
Likewise, getting into motorbikes really destroyed my cycle racing
career (just like science destroyed my rockstar career).
--
TimC
Adding features does not necessarily increase functionality -- it just
makes the manuals thicker. --unknown
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> "Ralph Wade Phillips" <ne...@philent.biz> wrote in message
> news:jlpkf2$9d4$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
>> it's getting a bit lonely out here nowadays!
>
> news:jlpkf2$9d4$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
>> it's getting a bit lonely out here nowadays!
>
> Still here. But like the group itself, not as active as has been.
> I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
> that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
> putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
Eeek, I was wondering when that was going to start happening. slrn on
> I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
> that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
> putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
a little 480x800 screen and 4" wide keyboard is going to be
difficult. Plus, harder to get away with head down to the phone
compared to a 80x24 green on black console.
> Also, the other hobby is getting slightly out of hand. I *like*
> dancing, but four full evenings a week doesn't leave much time
> for yet another social life.
career (just like science destroyed my rockstar career).
--
TimC
Adding features does not necessarily increase functionality -- it just
makes the manuals thicker. --unknown
TimC
Apr 7, 2012, 11:19:41 PM4/7/12
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On 2012-04-07, Niklas Karlsson (aka Bruce)
--
TimC
Remember, we're using the Internet, not Grammar! --Kibo
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> No doubt it's a matter of time, as $BORG seems to work pretty hard to be
> a 100% Dilbert compliant organisation. I liked the survey one can fill
> out after having an infernal helldesk ticket "resolved". It's headed by
> a text saying (from memory): "Please rate the following items from 1
> (terrible) to 5 (excellent)", then just above the table of radio
> buttons, there's a scale running in the opposite direction...
Seems a valid way of getting some positive feedback.
> a 100% Dilbert compliant organisation. I liked the survey one can fill
> out after having an infernal helldesk ticket "resolved". It's headed by
> a text saying (from memory): "Please rate the following items from 1
> (terrible) to 5 (excellent)", then just above the table of radio
> buttons, there's a scale running in the opposite direction...
--
TimC
Remember, we're using the Internet, not Grammar! --Kibo
Wojciech Derechowski
Apr 8, 2012, 12:27:02 AM4/8/12
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On 2012-04-08, Garrett Wollman <wol...@bimajority.org> wrote:
> [1] Still the same one, a large private research university on the
> Charles that doesn't start with "H". They still don't pay me enough
> to speak for them.
Well, they are one of those extremely rare cases in which I'd pay them
> [1] Still the same one, a large private research university on the
> Charles that doesn't start with "H". They still don't pay me enough
> to speak for them.
to have me. Incidentally, any interesting pranks recently? In this part
of the world the recent one involves throwing oneself under the boat
to show that elitism leads to tyranny; depressingly serious stuff.
WD
--
Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?
Marc Haber
Apr 8, 2012, 5:52:08 AM4/8/12
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>>Still here. But like the group itself, not as active as has been.
>>I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
>>that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
>>putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
>
>>I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
>>that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
>>putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
>
>Hah, you can <UI> to get round that. Or even <UI>. People really think
>they can prevent a non-zero, non-one fraction of outbound communication.
>It's very cute.
But even if you do <UI> or <UI>, you are still bypassing a policy of
>they can prevent a non-zero, non-one fraction of outbound communication.
>It's very cute.
$ORKPLACE, knowingly so, because, you wouldn't be forced to do <UI> to
do things if $ORKPLACE wanted you to do things, which may lead to
quick unwanted recovery in many cases.
Greetings
Marc
--
-------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! -----
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Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/
Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834
Cipher
Apr 8, 2012, 9:54:45 AM4/8/12
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On 4/7/2012 10:37 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> [1] Still the same one, a large private research university on the
> Charles that doesn't start with "H". They still don't pay me enough
> to speak for them.
You may be working mere footsteps from $job{day} then as I'm just on the
> [1] Still the same one, a large private research university on the
> Charles that doesn't start with "H". They still don't pay me enough
> to speak for them.
wrong side of the Mass Ave bridge.
--
The word "urgent" is the moral of the story "The boy who cried wolf". As
a general rule I don't believe it until a manager comes to me almost in
tears. I like to catch them in a cup and drink them later.
-- Matt Holiab, in the Monastery
Paul
Apr 8, 2012, 12:44:15 PM4/8/12
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Cipher <nota...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:jls5ad$tdv$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 4/7/2012 10:37 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>> [1] Still the same one, a large private research university on
>> the Charles that doesn't start with "H". They still don't pay me
>> enough to speak for them.
>
> You may be working mere footsteps from $job{day} then as I'm just
> on the wrong side of the Mass Ave bridge.
Just a few Smoots away, then...
--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant
news:jls5ad$tdv$1...@dont-email.me:
> On 4/7/2012 10:37 PM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>
>> [1] Still the same one, a large private research university on
>> the Charles that doesn't start with "H". They still don't pay me
>> enough to speak for them.
>
> You may be working mere footsteps from $job{day} then as I'm just
> on the wrong side of the Mass Ave bridge.
--
Paul the Legacy Server
Full Recovery reached May 30, 2008
"People can be educated beyond their intelligence"
-- Marilyn vos Savant
mrob...@att.net
Apr 9, 2012, 1:56:23 AM4/9/12
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Ralph Wade Phillips <ne...@philent.biz> wrote:
> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
Data from the usual suspect; caveats apply about how well these numbers
> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
correspond to reality, especially for the first couple of years. Y axis
is post count.
uggc://vzthe.pbz/Ubbbv
My guesses: Bans on non-HTTP traffic at ork. 15-20% unemployment (at
least in the US) leaving people either without access or fearful [0] of
the GoUPP. [1] Find 10 PFYs under 25 years old and ask them what Usenet
is [2].
Matt Roberds
[1] It is kind of funny to me to see the Snprobbx masses learning about
things that the Usenet non-masses had to learn 15 to 30 years ago.
[2] uggc://jjj.vovoyvb.bet/Qnir/Qe-Sha/qs9601/qs960124.wct
[2] Then tell them to get off your lawn.
Holger Marzen
Apr 9, 2012, 2:00:26 AM4/9/12
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Better passed on than pissed off.
Graham Reed
Apr 9, 2012, 1:59:46 PM4/9/12
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TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> writes:
> Eeek, I was wondering when that was going to start happening. slrn on
> a little 480x800 screen and 4" wide keyboard is going to be
> difficult. Plus, harder to get away with head down to the phone
> compared to a 80x24 green on black console.
Well, with a <UI> keyboard, it's only the screen size that's an issue.
> Eeek, I was wondering when that was going to start happening. slrn on
> a little 480x800 screen and 4" wide keyboard is going to be
> difficult. Plus, harder to get away with head down to the phone
> compared to a 80x24 green on black console.
And with <UI>, you've still got a green-on-black (or whatever you pick)
console to play with, so by connecting my <UI> via <UI> to my <UI> and
then to <UI> via <UI>, I've got a green-on-black TTY... with latencies
that'll make the satellite guys feel good about themselves. Probably
wouldn't be so bad if I used <UI> instead of <UI>, or just gave in and
paid to activate the <UI> on the <UI> network.
Hmmm, where's the <UI> adapter? I'll bet I can run an external screen
with that.
--
But it is for a good reason. Not dying on the job is cool.
-- Randy the Random in the Monastery
mlooney
Apr 9, 2012, 2:11:09 PM4/9/12
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Graham Reed <gr...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, where's the <UI> adapter? I'll bet I can run an external screen
> with that.
>
I've had good luck with <ui> on a i<ui>[0] talking to <ui> via <ui> when
>
> Hmmm, where's the <UI> adapter? I'll bet I can run an external screen
> with that.
>
primary laptop <ui> would not <ui> to my <ui> so I could <ui> -a -r for this
froop.
I need to find out why <ui>'s <ui> client was acting weird this morning.
Doing a <ui> of <ui> to <ui>.04 because it <ui>, which I'd rather run than be
in a hamster wheel of fun.
[0] Running <ui> NOT the native <ui>[1]
[1] or UI[2] for that matter.
[2] User Interface.
--
I'm an aging, white, right of center, geeky, male, dyslexic, veteran,
bipolar, sociopath with Asperger syndrome and a touch of PTSD that mutters.
Most of my meds are to keep me from being a real sociopath.
And you are?
mlooney
Apr 9, 2012, 2:13:40 PM4/9/12
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mlooney <j.michae...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need to find out why <ui>'s <ui> client was acting weird this morning.
> Doing a <ui> of <ui> to <ui>.04 because it <ui>, which I'd rather run than be
> in a hamster wheel of fun.
/s/it/it is/
> I need to find out why <ui>'s <ui> client was acting weird this morning.
> Doing a <ui> of <ui> to <ui>.04 because it <ui>, which I'd rather run than be
> in a hamster wheel of fun.
Sorry about that. Might be hard to follow with out it.
TimC
Apr 10, 2012, 5:08:08 AM4/10/12
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On 2012-04-09, mrob...@att.net (aka Bruce)
years ago, someone noticed that you could plot the posts to RHOD on a
log-linear graph and get a straight line. I think it's currently
above trend now though, because there was more than 1 non-spam post
last year.
> My guesses: Bans on non-HTTP traffic at ork. 15-20% unemployment (at
> least in the US) leaving people either without access or fearful [0] of
> the GoUPP. [1] Find 10 PFYs under 25 years old and ask them what Usenet
> is [2].
The world isn't just the US. I suspect most people lost their ISP
access to USENET and shinier things distracted them. I said once that
I would never succumb to farceb0rk, but I did. Pity they keep on
reinventing things that were done better in USENET 30 years ago
(although I can't think of anything that was as crappy as instagram
other than CGA graphics).
> [1] It is kind of funny to me to see the Snprobbx masses learning about
> things that the Usenet non-masses had to learn 15 to 30 years ago.
>
> [2] uggc://jjj.vovoyvb.bet/Qnir/Qe-Sha/qs9601/qs960124.wct
>
> [2] Then tell them to get off your lawn.
Where's the footnote numbering thread?
--
TimC
To define recursion, we must first define recursion.
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Ralph Wade Phillips <ne...@philent.biz> wrote:
>> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
>
> Data from the usual suspect; caveats apply about how well these numbers
> correspond to reality, especially for the first couple of years. Y axis
> is post count.
>
> uggc://vzthe.pbz/Ubbbv
I knew where that graph was going before I unrotted it. In RHOD,
>> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence ...
>
> Data from the usual suspect; caveats apply about how well these numbers
> correspond to reality, especially for the first couple of years. Y axis
> is post count.
>
> uggc://vzthe.pbz/Ubbbv
years ago, someone noticed that you could plot the posts to RHOD on a
log-linear graph and get a straight line. I think it's currently
above trend now though, because there was more than 1 non-spam post
last year.
> My guesses: Bans on non-HTTP traffic at ork. 15-20% unemployment (at
> least in the US) leaving people either without access or fearful [0] of
> the GoUPP. [1] Find 10 PFYs under 25 years old and ask them what Usenet
> is [2].
access to USENET and shinier things distracted them. I said once that
I would never succumb to farceb0rk, but I did. Pity they keep on
reinventing things that were done better in USENET 30 years ago
(although I can't think of anything that was as crappy as instagram
other than CGA graphics).
> [1] It is kind of funny to me to see the Snprobbx masses learning about
> things that the Usenet non-masses had to learn 15 to 30 years ago.
>
> [2] uggc://jjj.vovoyvb.bet/Qnir/Qe-Sha/qs9601/qs960124.wct
>
> [2] Then tell them to get off your lawn.
--
TimC
To define recursion, we must first define recursion.
Sano
Apr 10, 2012, 11:40:54 AM4/10/12
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mrob...@att.net wrote in news:jlttm7$k32$1...@dont-email.me:
> Ralph Wade Phillips <ne...@philent.biz> wrote:
>> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence
>> ...
>
> Data from the usual suspect; caveats apply about how well these
> numbers correspond to reality, especially for the first couple of
> years. Y axis is post count.
>
> uggc://vzthe.pbz/Ubbbv
>
> My guesses: Bans on non-HTTP traffic at ork. 15-20% unemployment
> (at least in the US) leaving people either without access or fearful
> [0] of the GoUPP. [1] Find 10 PFYs under 25 years old and ask them
> what Usenet is [2].
The climb to the peak is when I got "on". And even then it was by
accident exploring Ovyy'f BR. The middle of the downturn was when
trolls took over climes I enjoyed.
I still much enjoy the adult offerings though. Ya, some people's kids.
> Ralph Wade Phillips <ne...@philent.biz> wrote:
>> Hopefully not everyone's passed on to the next plane of existence
>> ...
>
> Data from the usual suspect; caveats apply about how well these
> numbers correspond to reality, especially for the first couple of
> years. Y axis is post count.
>
> uggc://vzthe.pbz/Ubbbv
>
> My guesses: Bans on non-HTTP traffic at ork. 15-20% unemployment
> (at least in the US) leaving people either without access or fearful
> [0] of the GoUPP. [1] Find 10 PFYs under 25 years old and ask them
> what Usenet is [2].
accident exploring Ovyy'f BR. The middle of the downturn was when
trolls took over climes I enjoyed.
I still much enjoy the adult offerings though. Ya, some people's kids.
John Burnham
Apr 10, 2012, 11:42:02 AM4/10/12
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 04:27:02 +0000, Wojciech Derechowski wrote:
>
> Well, they are one of those extremely rare cases in which I'd pay them
> to have me. Incidentally, any interesting pranks recently? In this part
> of the world the recent one involves throwing oneself under the boat to
> show that elitism leads to tyranny; depressingly serious stuff.
>
Pah. Boaties....
>
> Well, they are one of those extremely rare cases in which I'd pay them
> to have me. Incidentally, any interesting pranks recently? In this part
> of the world the recent one involves throwing oneself under the boat to
> show that elitism leads to tyranny; depressingly serious stuff.
>
J
LP
Apr 11, 2012, 10:43:14 AM4/11/12
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On 2012-04-07, Niklas Karlsson <ank...@yahoo.se> wrote:
>
> There is no shortage of stupidity in the orkplace that might be worth
> posting about, though nothing has quite built up to proper
> rant-worthiness.
I've got buckets of this. Not even the zlfdy "pyhfgre rqvgvba" ecz/qro
>
> There is no shortage of stupidity in the orkplace that might be worth
> posting about, though nothing has quite built up to proper
> rant-worthiness.
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jvgubhg yvoreny hfr bs --sbepr orpnhfr gurl pbasyvpg jvgu gur fgnaqneq
zlfdy cnpxntrf juvpu ner erdhverq ol unys gur BF (vapyhqvat ohg abg
yvzvgrq gb bhe pbasvt znatyrzrag flfgrz, zgn naq zbavgbevat ceborf bs
pubvpr)
V bowrpg gb znahnyyl vafgnyyvat nalguvat gurfr qnlf vs V pna trg gur pbasvt
znatyrzrag gb qb vg sbe zr, naq --sbepr vf uneqyl rire gur "evtug" nafjre.
-Paul
--
http://paulseward.com
LP
Apr 11, 2012, 10:47:00 AM4/11/12
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On 2012-04-07, Maarten Wiltink <maa...@kittensandcats.net> wrote:
>
> Also, the other hobby is getting slightly out of hand.
Isn't that what hobbies are for?
>
> Also, the other hobby is getting slightly out of hand.
I recently put up 3 new 6ft long shelves in an attempt to get my stock of
strowger spares out of the boxes I keep tripping over and into some sort
of order so I can find things when I need them.
Yeah. It turns out 18ft of shelving isn't anywhere near enough. I need
another couple of walls worth or something.
-Paul
--
http://paulseward.com
Mike Andrews
Apr 11, 2012, 10:56:11 AM4/11/12
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LP <use...@lpbk.net> wrote in <slrnjob6i2...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk>:
You Are Me.
I recently put in 6 2'x4' sets of industrial shelving for Stuff, 4 shelves
per set, each 6' high. That got enough up off the floor that now I have
room to walk around, but it means that I need to organize-and-discard,
which promises to be Not Fun.
--
"HTML's a cheap whore. Treating her with respect is possible, and even pref-
erable, because once upon a time she was a beautiful and virginal format, but
you shouldn't expect too much of her at this point." (Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes)
I recently put in 6 2'x4' sets of industrial shelving for Stuff, 4 shelves
per set, each 6' high. That got enough up off the floor that now I have
room to walk around, but it means that I need to organize-and-discard,
which promises to be Not Fun.
--
"HTML's a cheap whore. Treating her with respect is possible, and even pref-
erable, because once upon a time she was a beautiful and virginal format, but
you shouldn't expect too much of her at this point." (Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes)
Brian Kantor
Apr 11, 2012, 12:43:15 PM4/11/12
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Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote:
>I recently put in 6 2'x4' sets of industrial shelving for Stuff, 4 shelves
>per set, each 6' high. That got enough up off the floor that now I have
>room to walk around, but it means that I need to organize-and-discard,
>which promises to be Not Fun.
AOL. I can think of few exercises that challenge one's junk collecting
>I recently put in 6 2'x4' sets of industrial shelving for Stuff, 4 shelves
>per set, each 6' high. That got enough up off the floor that now I have
>room to walk around, but it means that I need to organize-and-discard,
>which promises to be Not Fun.
sensibilities more than having new flooring installed in the house --
which necessitates completely emptying every room as the flooring folks
arrive with their hammers and saws. I've seen things I didn't know I
still owned -- and some things I didn't know I owned in the first place!
At least when you're having the place painted you can bunch things up in
the middle of the room and put a tarp over them, but unless skyhooks get
significantly cheaper, the stuff just has to be moved somewhere, or
(horrors!) THROWN OUT. I've said goodbye to over a hundred kilos of old
electronics and mechanical stuff and I still have my workshop to empty.
Not to mention the paint smell.
Arrgh!
- Brian
Paul
Apr 11, 2012, 5:15:40 PM4/11/12
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Mike Andrews <mi...@mikea.ath.cx> wrote in
news:blig59-...@mikea.ath.cx:
> I recently put in 6 2'x4' sets of industrial shelving for Stuff, 4
> shelves per set, each 6' high. That got enough up off the floor
> that now I have room to walk around, but it means that I need to
> organize-and-discard, which promises to be Not Fun.
I also have a large amount of {Stuff Not Worth Keeping But Too Good
To Throw Away}.
I would gladly give most of it to {A Good Home}, but reality says I
will have to pay to have it hauled off and destroyed, a double
insult.
news:blig59-...@mikea.ath.cx:
> I recently put in 6 2'x4' sets of industrial shelving for Stuff, 4
> shelves per set, each 6' high. That got enough up off the floor
> that now I have room to walk around, but it means that I need to
> organize-and-discard, which promises to be Not Fun.
To Throw Away}.
I would gladly give most of it to {A Good Home}, but reality says I
will have to pay to have it hauled off and destroyed, a double
insult.
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John Burnham
Apr 12, 2012, 10:29:31 AM4/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:52:15 +0200, Michel wrote:
>
> Seems you really are a social leper these days if you're not on FB.
*DING* *DING* Unclean.... Unclean.....
J
>
> Seems you really are a social leper these days if you're not on FB.
*DING* *DING* Unclean.... Unclean.....
J
Wojciech Derechowski
Apr 12, 2012, 11:05:40 AM4/12/12
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Garrett Wollman
Apr 12, 2012, 11:42:10 AM4/12/12
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In article <f93j59-...@rubberchicken.nocrap>,
Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote:
>Still holding out, here. Right bunch of scum they are in all aspects
>so joining them is Not A Good Idea. And yet, the frequency of "where
>were you?" is getting higher, if people miss me at all. So the sirens
>are calling.
I'm definitely still holding out. A better implementation of Exactly
The Wrong Thing this reporter has never seen.
I did finally give up and sign up for Twitter -- mostly so that I
could keep in touch with a former colleague who is no longer about to
participate in our Jabber conference. Never did see the point of it
before. (The degree to which Twitter is parasitic on external media
of all kinds is fascinating, although there is some selection bias.)
-GAWollman
Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote:
>Still holding out, here. Right bunch of scum they are in all aspects
>so joining them is Not A Good Idea. And yet, the frequency of "where
>were you?" is getting higher, if people miss me at all. So the sirens
>are calling.
I'm definitely still holding out. A better implementation of Exactly
The Wrong Thing this reporter has never seen.
I did finally give up and sign up for Twitter -- mostly so that I
could keep in touch with a former colleague who is no longer about to
participate in our Jabber conference. Never did see the point of it
before. (The degree to which Twitter is parasitic on external media
of all kinds is fascinating, although there is some selection bias.)
-GAWollman
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Julian Macassey
Apr 12, 2012, 3:16:47 PM4/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:52:15 +0200, Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote:
> Still holding out, here. Right bunch of scum they are in all aspects
> so joining them is Not A Good Idea. And yet, the frequency of "where
> were you?" is getting higher, if people miss me at all. So the sirens
> are calling.
>
> Still holding out, here. Right bunch of scum they are in all aspects
> so joining them is Not A Good Idea. And yet, the frequency of "where
> were you?" is getting higher, if people miss me at all. So the sirens
> are calling.
>
> Seems you really are a social leper these days if you're not on FB.
I explain to many people, especially people who think an
e-mail saying "Leaving in 10 minutes", will be read in 9, that
for over 100 years we have had an instant communications system,
where it is immediate and you know if the other party got your
message and answered any queries you had. We call this the
telephone. You can use it for more than sending twots to
Twotter.
P.S. I hear that at facebook.com they use irc. That in iteself is
telling.
--
It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through
disobedience and through rebellion. - Oscar Wilde
Julian Macassey
Apr 12, 2012, 3:19:11 PM4/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:52:15 +0200, Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote:
>
> Seems you really are a social leper these days if you're not on FB.
Farcebook is AOL with better graphics.
>
> Seems you really are a social leper these days if you're not on FB.
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Alan J. Wylie
Apr 12, 2012, 4:07:36 PM4/12/12
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Wojciech Derechowski <wdd...@um5000.mystora.com> writes:
> On 2012-04-12, John Burnham <jo...@jaka.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:52:15 +0200, Michel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Seems you really are a social leper these days if you're not on FB.
>>
>> *DING* *DING* Unclean.... Unclean.....
>
> Pie Jesu domine, dona eis requiem. Whop.
I've now been contaminated sufficiently by FB that I wanted to click on
> On 2012-04-12, John Burnham <jo...@jaka.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:52:15 +0200, Michel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Seems you really are a social leper these days if you're not on FB.
>>
>> *DING* *DING* Unclean.... Unclean.....
>
> Pie Jesu domine, dona eis requiem. Whop.
the "like" button for that.
--
Alan J. Wylie http://www.wylie.me.uk/
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Julian Macassey
Apr 12, 2012, 6:37:48 PM4/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:55:59 +0200, Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote:
>>
>> I explain to many people, especially people who think an
>> e-mail saying "Leaving in 10 minutes", will be read in 9, that
>> for over 100 years we have had an instant communications system,
>> where it is immediate and you know if the other party got your
>> message and answered any queries you had. We call this the
>> telephone. You can use it for more than sending twots to
>> Twotter.
>
> Thing is, I do see a use for something lets you keep in touch with
>>
>> I explain to many people, especially people who think an
>> e-mail saying "Leaving in 10 minutes", will be read in 9, that
>> for over 100 years we have had an instant communications system,
>> where it is immediate and you know if the other party got your
>> message and answered any queries you had. We call this the
>> telephone. You can use it for more than sending twots to
>> Twotter.
>
> loose collections of friends and/or announcing parties or motorcycle
> rides or similar one-to-many communications. Phones don't really do
> that.
There is also this e-mail thing. You can send it to more
than one person at once, you can even create mailing lists so you
can post to a group of friends. It really is amazing. I think AOL
had something like that too.
>
> FB fits that bill. Just, _ick_.
It does if your "friends" are on farcebook. But if they
are on farcebook, they probably have an e-mail address too.
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TimC
Apr 13, 2012, 3:17:02 AM4/13/12
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On 2012-04-12, Michel (aka Bruce)
> it had sat there untouched since the last time I moved. In 2005.
>
> It's sort of liberating.
>
> Ofcourse, by now I am running headlong into the "I _know_ I used
> to have one of those wotsits, but is it in a box I can't reach[0]
> or did I toss it" effect...
I was rather happy when I ripped out the vga connector from an old ISA
video card a few days ago, to insert into my NAS via the onboard blank
header. That collection of old cards was scheduled to be thrown away
at the last move, but I weakened at the last moment and just threw out
all of the plastic and metal cases instead, keeping the circuit boards
(I am now proceeding to throw out most of my disks since I no longer
have interfaces to any of them. Again, just before throwing out one
of them, I realised I 1) needed a bit of code that 2) had somehow
never managed to make it into my archive. Both points now fixed. And
the 24 port fast ethernet switch, since I now have GB, and I never did
acquire a working power supply for that switch and potentially blew it
up when I plugged in a few too many electrons while testing. These
are the concessions I'm willing to make for the time being).
The VGA connector has come in handy to banish the NAS's cruddy
collection of hacks that they called their firmware, to install Qrovna
on.
--
TimC
Kibology is the sound of a deaf man clapping one hand into a tree that's
falling in the woods with no one around to hear it. -- Kevin Allegood
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> All the old computer junk has gone, mostly because nearly all of
> it had sat there untouched since the last time I moved. In 2005.
>
> It's sort of liberating.
>
> Ofcourse, by now I am running headlong into the "I _know_ I used
> to have one of those wotsits, but is it in a box I can't reach[0]
> or did I toss it" effect...
I was rather happy when I ripped out the vga connector from an old ISA
video card a few days ago, to insert into my NAS via the onboard blank
header. That collection of old cards was scheduled to be thrown away
at the last move, but I weakened at the last moment and just threw out
all of the plastic and metal cases instead, keeping the circuit boards
(I am now proceeding to throw out most of my disks since I no longer
have interfaces to any of them. Again, just before throwing out one
of them, I realised I 1) needed a bit of code that 2) had somehow
never managed to make it into my archive. Both points now fixed. And
the 24 port fast ethernet switch, since I now have GB, and I never did
acquire a working power supply for that switch and potentially blew it
up when I plugged in a few too many electrons while testing. These
are the concessions I'm willing to make for the time being).
The VGA connector has come in handy to banish the NAS's cruddy
collection of hacks that they called their firmware, to install Qrovna
on.
--
TimC
Kibology is the sound of a deaf man clapping one hand into a tree that's
falling in the woods with no one around to hear it. -- Kevin Allegood
mrob...@att.net
Apr 13, 2012, 5:10:42 AM4/13/12
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AOL, as it were.
> I did finally give up and sign up for Twitter -- mostly so that I
> could keep in touch with a former colleague who is no longer about to
> participate in our Jabber conference.
A couple of years ago, in preparation for a trip for ork, I bought one
of those USB wireless interblag thingys, with only a vague hope that it
spoke penguin. A little searching found a report from a guy who had
gotten it to work; I followed his guide and was online in about 10
minutes. Since the alternative was a few hours of work, I wanted to say
thanks, but a close inspection of his site revealed no way to contact
him other than via Twitter. So I signed up just for that. Since then
I've used it about four times.
Matt Roberds
> I did finally give up and sign up for Twitter -- mostly so that I
> could keep in touch with a former colleague who is no longer about to
> participate in our Jabber conference.
of those USB wireless interblag thingys, with only a vague hope that it
spoke penguin. A little searching found a report from a guy who had
gotten it to work; I followed his guide and was online in about 10
minutes. Since the alternative was a few hours of work, I wanted to say
thanks, but a close inspection of his site revealed no way to contact
him other than via Twitter. So I signed up just for that. Since then
I've used it about four times.
Matt Roberds
mrob...@att.net
Apr 13, 2012, 5:25:52 AM4/13/12
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TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> wrote:
> On 2012-04-09, mrob...@att.net (aka Bruce)
> than 1 non-spam post last year.
Hmm... just checked ok.general. Nothing but spam for the past 18
months.
> The world isn't just the US.
Yeah, but there aren't *that* many other places that can blow up the
entire world! (Either militarily or financially, take your pick!)
> Pity they keep on reinventing things that were done better in USENET
> 30 years ago
See also: most web forums. [37]
> (although I can't think of anything that was as crappy as instagram
> other than CGA graphics).
The thing about CGA, though, is that when it was designed, it was
probably not that far behind the state of the art, especially given the
price point. Instagram is all about using a $2000 DSLR and several
billion CPU cycles to make your pictures look like they came out of a
30-year-old $10 camera.
>> [1] [...]
>> [2] [...]
>> [2] [...]
>
> Where's the footnote numbering thread?
On the third floor, at the rental car desk, hiding behind a bottle of
whiskey.
Matt Roberds
[37] Although the one thing that many of them get right is the "off-
topic" area. For some reason, it usually gets more posts than the
on-topic areas, but it tends to improve the S/N in the on-topic
areas a lot.
> On 2012-04-09, mrob...@att.net (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> I think it's currently above trend now though, because there was more
>
> than 1 non-spam post last year.
Hmm... just checked ok.general. Nothing but spam for the past 18
months.
> The world isn't just the US.
Yeah, but there aren't *that* many other places that can blow up the
entire world! (Either militarily or financially, take your pick!)
> Pity they keep on reinventing things that were done better in USENET
> 30 years ago
See also: most web forums. [37]
> (although I can't think of anything that was as crappy as instagram
> other than CGA graphics).
The thing about CGA, though, is that when it was designed, it was
probably not that far behind the state of the art, especially given the
price point. Instagram is all about using a $2000 DSLR and several
billion CPU cycles to make your pictures look like they came out of a
30-year-old $10 camera.
>> [1] [...]
>> [2] [...]
>> [2] [...]
>
> Where's the footnote numbering thread?
On the third floor, at the rental car desk, hiding behind a bottle of
whiskey.
Matt Roberds
[37] Although the one thing that many of them get right is the "off-
topic" area. For some reason, it usually gets more posts than the
on-topic areas, but it tends to improve the S/N in the on-topic
areas a lot.
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E.P.Sporgersi
Apr 13, 2012, 6:09:05 AM4/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:10:42 +0000, mroberds wrote:
>
> A couple of years ago, in preparation for a trip for ork, I bought one
> of those USB wireless interblag thingys, with only a vague hope that it
> spoke penguin.
That has certainly come along nicely. I bought one recently for discreet
>
> A couple of years ago, in preparation for a trip for ork, I bought one
> of those USB wireless interblag thingys, with only a vague hope that it
> spoke penguin.
work-to-home communications, and basically, I plugged the thing into my
Hohagh lappy, answered two questions: "Which country are you in" and "Who
is your provider", and ten seconds later, I was connected.
Of course, when lunchtime comes round, the whole world starts blabbing
and I lose connection, but that's a different problem.
> A little searching found a report from a guy who had
> gotten it to work; I followed his guide and was online in about 10
> minutes. Since the alternative was a few hours of work, I wanted to say
> thanks, but a close inspection of his site revealed no way to contact
> him other than via Twitter. So I signed up just for that. Since then
> I've used it about four times.
of the usual Suspects there, and use mushroomed from there.
I'm still resisting Snprobbx. I am also resisting giving my Kindle
network access. I don't like Nznmba at all. But given that SWMBO has no
such qualms, it looks like a bit of a futile gesture.
Niklas Karlsson
Apr 13, 2012, 6:16:46 AM4/13/12
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I do like how that rotism brings probes to mind...
Niklas
--
I swear, if I'm ever Supreme Overlord of a country my first decree will be to
change the name of it to Theory. I've heard too many times that a certain fix
would work 'in Theory'.
-- Tony in asr
Niklas
--
I swear, if I'm ever Supreme Overlord of a country my first decree will be to
change the name of it to Theory. I've heard too many times that a certain fix
would work 'in Theory'.
-- Tony in asr
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Lawns 'R' Us
Apr 13, 2012, 7:38:00 AM4/13/12
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On 2012-04-13, Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote:
> Quite. Biggest 'problem' by volume is still the books, though.
You are me, and I claim a copy of my entire collection in Xvaqyr
format. (Working on it, slowly. Onra's ebook sales site is slowing me
down, in that I'm buying more new stuff from there than I am replacing
my existing collection in ebook format. To be honest, there's a fair
number of books by various authors[1] that I won't be looking to
re-purchase in electronic form, but that still leaves a large pile ...
[1] Befba Fpbgg Pneq, V'z ybbxvat fdhneryl ng lbh, lbh ubzbcubovp FBO.
> Quite. Biggest 'problem' by volume is still the books, though.
You are me, and I claim a copy of my entire collection in Xvaqyr
format. (Working on it, slowly. Onra's ebook sales site is slowing me
down, in that I'm buying more new stuff from there than I am replacing
my existing collection in ebook format. To be honest, there's a fair
number of books by various authors[1] that I won't be looking to
re-purchase in electronic form, but that still leaves a large pile ...
[1] Befba Fpbgg Pneq, V'z ybbxvat fdhneryl ng lbh, lbh ubzbcubovp FBO.
Peter Corlett
Apr 13, 2012, 8:29:37 AM4/13/12
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Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
[...]
> Time I had a rummage through some of the tubs of Old Computer Bits and
> worked out which ones had any hope of actually getting used, ever. Then I
> can use that space for more _live_ computers, of course.
Does this mean I might be able to interest you in some more Fine Legacy
Hardware?
[...]
> Time I had a rummage through some of the tubs of Old Computer Bits and
> worked out which ones had any hope of actually getting used, ever. Then I
> can use that space for more _live_ computers, of course.
Does this mean I might be able to interest you in some more Fine Legacy
Hardware?
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Mike Andrews
Apr 13, 2012, 9:26:18 AM4/13/12
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Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote in <20120413105618....@firedrake.org>:
> Lee Ann Goldstein wrote:
>
>>We're still in the "post move de-junk-ifying" stage -- we've only been in
>>the new house about six months, after all. I think there are 8 or 9 boxes
>>left to go through. (though I've discovered that, to paraphrase $spouse,
>>I didn't want a house, I wanted a yard. this leads to an increase in the
>>number of tools scattered about, which leads to a pressing need to acquire
>>a shed, which...)
the AMD chip in the little "Shuttle" box I was given a week ago. I
finally had a chance to power it up, and it doesn't even POST, nor does
the CPU cooler get warmer than barely tepid. I pulled the cooler off,
but ran out of time and had to put it back on and put everything away.
Maybe this weekend ... .
--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mi...@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin
> Lee Ann Goldstein wrote:
>
>>We're still in the "post move de-junk-ifying" stage -- we've only been in
>>the new house about six months, after all. I think there are 8 or 9 boxes
>>left to go through. (though I've discovered that, to paraphrase $spouse,
>>I didn't want a house, I wanted a yard. this leads to an increase in the
>>number of tools scattered about, which leads to a pressing need to acquire
>>a shed, which...)
>
> Time I had a rummage through some of the tubs of Old Computer Bits and
> worked out which ones had any hope of actually getting used, ever.
>
> Then I can use that space for more _live_ computers, of course.
Don't throw away any CPU chips until I find out what I need to replace
> Time I had a rummage through some of the tubs of Old Computer Bits and
> worked out which ones had any hope of actually getting used, ever.
>
> Then I can use that space for more _live_ computers, of course.
the AMD chip in the little "Shuttle" box I was given a week ago. I
finally had a chance to power it up, and it doesn't even POST, nor does
the CPU cooler get warmer than barely tepid. I pulled the cooler off,
but ran out of time and had to put it back on and put everything away.
Maybe this weekend ... .
--
Mike Andrews, W5EGO
mi...@mikea.ath.cx
Tired old sysadmin
Brian Kantor
Apr 13, 2012, 12:18:14 PM4/13/12
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Michel <ab...@rubberchicken.nl> wrote:
>Quite. Biggest 'problem' by volume is still the books, though.
When I was packing my library I wound up with 22 boxes of books but
>Quite. Biggest 'problem' by volume is still the books, though.
have since come to the conclusion that most of them should go to the
local book repository (aka "The Bookman", who finds good homes for
old books) because I no longer use them. I'll keep the ones that I
intend to read or reread but the majority of reference books are now
so old that they may be of little use; my interests have changed.
And I'm finally getting into the habit of looking up data on the In-Tar-Web
*first* before rummaging though the dead tree leaves. Bah.
- Brian
Brian Kantor
Apr 13, 2012, 12:20:32 PM4/13/12
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Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>Does this mean I might be able to interest you in some more Fine Legacy
>Hardware?
I have a PDP-8E that's available for the price of shipping.
>Does this mean I might be able to interest you in some more Fine Legacy
>Hardware?
- Brian
Garrett Wollman
Apr 13, 2012, 12:34:02 PM4/13/12
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In article <jm9jk6$tuu$1...@karoshi.ucsd.edu>,
computer-book-buying kick, which saves me from no end of hassles. The
other things that I try to avoid buying (but don't always succeed) are
political polemics. These are almost never interesting by the time I
get around to reading them, even if they might have been worth reading
for the first six weeks after they came out, and certainly have no
expectation of ever being reread.
So most of my library is general-interest non-fiction, followed by
fiction, art books, and cookbooks. I'm not likely to buy many more
art books now that Bud Plant has closed up shop.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Brian Kantor <br...@karoshi.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>I'll keep the ones that I intend to read or reread but the majority
>of reference books are now so old that they may be of little use;
I stopped buying reference books, and I never got on the
>I'll keep the ones that I intend to read or reread but the majority
>of reference books are now so old that they may be of little use;
computer-book-buying kick, which saves me from no end of hassles. The
other things that I try to avoid buying (but don't always succeed) are
political polemics. These are almost never interesting by the time I
get around to reading them, even if they might have been worth reading
for the first six weeks after they came out, and certainly have no
expectation of ever being reread.
So most of my library is general-interest non-fiction, followed by
fiction, art books, and cookbooks. I'm not likely to buy many more
art books now that Bud Plant has closed up shop.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Peter Corlett
Apr 13, 2012, 1:03:46 PM4/13/12
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Umax Frankenmac. Also enough disks and RAM for similar vintages of hardware,
possibly even as much as a gigabyte worth! I'm prepared to "ship" to the
kerb outside[0], since that's where the bin men are happy to collect them
from.
[0] W12 7JY.
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Wojciech Derechowski
Apr 13, 2012, 2:59:18 PM4/13/12
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On 2012-04-13, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
> I'm gradually pruning out everything that runs at less than a GHz.
Ah, an ALPHAbook w/OpenVMS by any chance? I misssed this one last year:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270792516802
WD
--
Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?
> I'm gradually pruning out everything that runs at less than a GHz.
Ah, an ALPHAbook w/OpenVMS by any chance? I misssed this one last year:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270792516802
WD
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Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?
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Alan J Rosenthal
Apr 14, 2012, 12:43:53 AM4/14/12
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TimC <tcon...@rather.puzzling.no-spam-accepted-here.org> writes:
>the 24 port fast ethernet switch, since I now have GB,
I was thinking today, the term "fast ethernet" is a little embarrassing
>the 24 port fast ethernet switch, since I now have GB,
these days, isn't it...
-- aj "and 10Base2 is retroactively renamed 'ultra-slow'" r
Maarten Wiltink
Apr 14, 2012, 3:57:06 AM4/14/12
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"Roger Burton West" <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote in message
news:20120407203556....@firedrake.org...
> Maarten Wiltink wrote:
[...]
>> I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
>> that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
>> putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
>
> Hah, you can <UI> to get round that. Or even <UI>. People really
> think they can prevent a non-zero, non-one fraction of outbound
> communication. It's very cute.
Of course I can. The simplest, and approved, solution would be to take
the old notebook to work and run it over the wireless which, like
everywhere, runs completely outside all the usual proxying and
firewalling.
But as Adb noted, not reading home mail gets more work done. Noticeably.
And as friendly as my cooleagues[0] are and as nice it is to chat about
work's hobby projects, learning new stuff and all, I've been on several
occasions the first to turn away and go back to work. This is somewhat
new to me, too.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
[0] Typo too marvellous not to be left to stand.
news:20120407203556....@firedrake.org...
> Maarten Wiltink wrote:
[...]
>> I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
>> that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
>> putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
>
> Hah, you can <UI> to get round that. Or even <UI>. People really
> think they can prevent a non-zero, non-one fraction of outbound
> communication. It's very cute.
Of course I can. The simplest, and approved, solution would be to take
the old notebook to work and run it over the wireless which, like
everywhere, runs completely outside all the usual proxying and
firewalling.
But as Adb noted, not reading home mail gets more work done. Noticeably.
And as friendly as my cooleagues[0] are and as nice it is to chat about
work's hobby projects, learning new stuff and all, I've been on several
occasions the first to turn away and go back to work. This is somewhat
new to me, too.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
[0] Typo too marvellous not to be left to stand.
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Shmuel Metz
Apr 14, 2012, 11:15:08 PM4/14/12
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In <jm8rf0$sm9$2...@dont-email.me>, on 04/13/2012
available for those willing to pay. Look at any of the engineering
workstations on the market at the time.
--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)
at 09:25 AM, mrob...@att.net said:
>The thing about CGA, though, is that when it was designed,
>it was probably not that far behind the state of the art,
>especially given the price point.
It was certainly inexpensive, but *much* better graphics were
>The thing about CGA, though, is that when it was designed,
>it was probably not that far behind the state of the art,
>especially given the price point.
available for those willing to pay. Look at any of the engineering
workstations on the market at the time.
--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
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Peter Corlett
Apr 15, 2012, 9:33:50 AM4/15/12
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<mrob...@att.net> wrote:
[...]
Actually, Acorn's BBC Microcomputer was released at the same time, and had
better graphics modes.
[...]
> The thing about CGA, though, is that when it was designed, it was
> probably not that far behind the state of the art, especially given the
> price point. [...]
> probably not that far behind the state of the art, especially given the
Actually, Acorn's BBC Microcomputer was released at the same time, and had
better graphics modes.
Peter Corlett
Apr 15, 2012, 9:46:03 AM4/15/12
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Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
> gravitational field.)
It's also UltraSPARC, so faster without the aid of gravity.
>> a CDTV,
> Find a Tramiel fanboy; they seem to be coming out of the woodwork just
> now.
He founded Commodore, but flounced off to create the competing Atari ST
before the Amiga came out. I doubt any Tramiel fanboys would be interested
in Amiga kit such as the CDTV.
> I'm gradually pruning out everything that runs at less than a GHz.
That includes a lot of contemporary ARM kit...
> Peter Corlett wrote:
>> For immediate disposal, I have a Sun Ultra 30,
> Well, it's faster than the SS20. (Assuming air at STP and a constant
>> For immediate disposal, I have a Sun Ultra 30,
> gravitational field.)
It's also UltraSPARC, so faster without the aid of gravity.
>> a CDTV,
> Find a Tramiel fanboy; they seem to be coming out of the woodwork just
> now.
He founded Commodore, but flounced off to create the competing Atari ST
before the Amiga came out. I doubt any Tramiel fanboys would be interested
in Amiga kit such as the CDTV.
> I'm gradually pruning out everything that runs at less than a GHz.
Lauri Tirkkonen
Apr 15, 2012, 9:55:38 AM4/15/12
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mrob...@att.net wrote:
> Find 10 PFYs under 25 years old and ask them what Usenet is [2].
> [2] Then tell them to get off your lawn.
Well, that might be part of the problem. :-)
--
Lauri Tirkkonen, PFY
> Find 10 PFYs under 25 years old and ask them what Usenet is [2].
> [2] Then tell them to get off your lawn.
Well, that might be part of the problem. :-)
--
Lauri Tirkkonen, PFY
Alexander Schreiber
Apr 15, 2012, 10:13:58 AM4/15/12
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AdB <ab...@leftmind.net> wrote:
> Alan J Rosenthal posted thus:
> "Effing Ethernet".
>
> Nowadays it takes at least Giggie to get a network port noticed, though
> the special connectors that the utility industry or the military uses
> in place of 8p8c suckage are cool, and 10GE still commands respect,
> even if only for the magnitude of outage its failure could cause.
As in: "Oh, machine $INSERT_NAME_HERE" has lost connectivity - damn, lets
failover to machine $INSERT_OTHER_NAME_HERE"?
Admittedly, having 10GE networking is nice, it allows one to copy a couple
hundred GB in a reasonable amount of time.
Just curious,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
> Alan J Rosenthal posted thus:
>>I was thinking today, the term "fast ethernet" is a little embarrassing
>>these days, isn't it...
>
> We've been dealing with 100MB for enough years that FE is now just
>>these days, isn't it...
>
> "Effing Ethernet".
>
> Nowadays it takes at least Giggie to get a network port noticed, though
> the special connectors that the utility industry or the military uses
> in place of 8p8c suckage are cool, and 10GE still commands respect,
> even if only for the magnitude of outage its failure could cause.
As in: "Oh, machine $INSERT_NAME_HERE" has lost connectivity - damn, lets
failover to machine $INSERT_OTHER_NAME_HERE"?
Admittedly, having 10GE networking is nice, it allows one to copy a couple
hundred GB in a reasonable amount of time.
Just curious,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
Julian Turnbull
Apr 15, 2012, 10:50:12 AM4/15/12
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ab...@leftmind.net (AdB) writes:
> Roger Burton West posted thus:
>>I still have the sodding Sparcbook somewhere. Really great idea, but I'm
>>not going to start carrying a dinosaur-laptop just for the pose value.
>
> Did they use depleted unobtainium in those too, or was that just in
> their larger monitors?
>
> (A couple of us at work today were comparing memories of back injuries
> from moving those back when.)
I liked the ones where the EHT was routed close enough to the outer
casing (plastic, with ventilation slots) that thoughtless placement of
the hands when lifting put them within flashover distance.
> Roger Burton West posted thus:
>>I still have the sodding Sparcbook somewhere. Really great idea, but I'm
>>not going to start carrying a dinosaur-laptop just for the pose value.
>
> Did they use depleted unobtainium in those too, or was that just in
> their larger monitors?
>
> (A couple of us at work today were comparing memories of back injuries
> from moving those back when.)
I liked the ones where the EHT was routed close enough to the outer
casing (plastic, with ventilation slots) that thoughtless placement of
the hands when lifting put them within flashover distance.
Brian Kantor
Apr 15, 2012, 1:56:52 PM4/15/12
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>In <jm8rf0$sm9$2...@dont-email.me>, on 04/13/2012
> at 09:25 AM, mrob...@att.net said:
>>The thing about CGA, though, is that when it was designed,
>>it was probably not that far behind the state of the art,
>>especially given the price point.
The cool thing about CGA was that it used NTSC-compatable scan
> at 09:25 AM, mrob...@att.net said:
>>The thing about CGA, though, is that when it was designed,
>>it was probably not that far behind the state of the art,
>>especially given the price point.
rates so you could do computer graphics and edit it into your
video.
- Brian
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Joe Zeff
Apr 15, 2012, 9:41:30 PM4/15/12
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:18:08 +0200, Gallian wrote:
> Business was done in 25x80 text.
Well, of course. After all, the programs were still designed with
cardimages in mind.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
The price of a barrel of crude oil has gone past crude
all the way to absolutely obscene.
> Business was done in 25x80 text.
Well, of course. After all, the programs were still designed with
cardimages in mind.
--
Joe Zeff -- The Guy With The Sideburns:
http://www.zeff.us http://www.lasfs.info
The price of a barrel of crude oil has gone past crude
all the way to absolutely obscene.
LP
Apr 16, 2012, 6:30:47 AM4/16/12
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On 2012-04-13, Peter Corlett <ab...@mooli.org.uk> wrote:
>
> For immediate disposal, I have a Sun Ultra 30
An Ultra 30? That might count as an upgrade to the Ultra 2 we've got
>
> For immediate disposal, I have a Sun Ultra 30
running production services here (that server makes my skin itch every
time I walk past it.)
Still, at least the drive to replace it with something from this century
has kicked up a gear since the OS on it finally went end of life.
-Paul
--
http://paulseward.com
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Peter Corlett
Apr 16, 2012, 9:42:30 AM4/16/12
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Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
> LP wrote:
>> An Ultra 30? That might count as an upgrade to the Ultra 2 we've got
>> running production services here (that server makes my skin itch every
>> time I walk past it.)
> That's OK, it's just the Cerenkov radiation.
>> An Ultra 30? That might count as an upgrade to the Ultra 2 we've got
>> running production services here (that server makes my skin itch every
>> time I walk past it.)
Given the mass of a typical Sun box, are you sure it's not Hawking
radiation?
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Wojciech Derechowski
Apr 16, 2012, 2:41:12 PM4/16/12
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On 2012-04-16, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
> The mass doesn't go down appreciably over time.
No, but this is due to the growth of information,
as every Dońda student[0] would tell you.
WD
[0] Lem S. "Professor A. Dońda" Warsaw 1971.
No, but this is due to the growth of information,
as every Dońda student[0] would tell you.
WD
[0] Lem S. "Professor A. Dońda" Warsaw 1971.
G. Paul Ziemba
Apr 16, 2012, 3:50:15 PM4/16/12
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Julian Turnbull <ju...@invalid.com> writes:
>I liked the ones where the EHT was routed close enough to the outer
>casing (plastic, with ventilation slots) that thoughtless placement of
>the hands when lifting put them within flashover distance.
I had forgotten about that. Nearly dropped one because of it.
>I liked the ones where the EHT was routed close enough to the outer
>casing (plastic, with ventilation slots) that thoughtless placement of
>the hands when lifting put them within flashover distance.
Other fun Fha hardware design decisions: ethernet slide latches
(to be fair, everybody was doing it then), and those plastic "it's
not a handle" handles on sbus cards.
--
G. Paul Ziemba
FreeBSD unix:
12:46PM up 56 days, 21:39, 34 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.14, 0.15
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John F. Eldredge
Apr 16, 2012, 10:00:15 PM4/16/12
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:48:43 +0000, Gary Barnes wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:50:15 +0000 (UTC), G. Paul Ziemba
> <paul+...@w6yx.stanford.edu> wrote: : Other fun Fha hardware design
> E450 when you're trying to rack-mount them.
>
> Gaz
> [0] I didn't discover it was "not-a-handle" first-hand, but was one of
> the
> four of us lifting the beast when a cow-orker did so.
Not to mention desktop PCs where the sheet metal chassis had edges like a
steak knife, complete with serrations.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly
is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:50:15 +0000 (UTC), G. Paul Ziemba
> <paul+...@w6yx.stanford.edu> wrote: : Other fun Fha hardware design
> decisions: ethernet slide latches : (to be fair, everybody was doing it
> then), and those plastic "it's : not a handle" handles on sbus cards.
>
> I'll bet they're not as blood-thirsty as the "not-a-handle"[0] on an
> then), and those plastic "it's : not a handle" handles on sbus cards.
>
> E450 when you're trying to rack-mount them.
>
> Gaz
> [0] I didn't discover it was "not-a-handle" first-hand, but was one of
> the
> four of us lifting the beast when a cow-orker did so.
Not to mention desktop PCs where the sheet metal chassis had edges like a
steak knife, complete with serrations.
--
John F. Eldredge -- jo...@jfeldredge.com
"Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly
is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
Peter Corlett
Apr 17, 2012, 5:19:28 AM4/17/12
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Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
> Peter Corlett wrote:
[...]
>> Given the mass of a typical Sun box, are you sure it's not Hawking
>> radiation?
>> radiation?
> The mass doesn't go down appreciably over time.
It does if I spy unused spud brackets in there and I need some.
Peter Corlett
Apr 17, 2012, 6:24:57 AM4/17/12
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John F. Eldredge <jo...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
[...]
straight edge, and can be used to carve my steak straight off the cow
without it noticing.
[...]
> Not to mention desktop PCs where the sheet metal chassis had edges like a
> steak knife, complete with serrations.
Cheap steak knives to gouge chunks out of the meat, perhaps. Mine have a
> steak knife, complete with serrations.
straight edge, and can be used to carve my steak straight off the cow
without it noticing.
Maarten Wiltink
Apr 17, 2012, 7:31:44 AM4/17/12
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[...]
walk past it.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
[0] There's another joke in there. Go ahead, I dare you.
news:slrnjontdr...@lemon.resnet.bris.ac.uk...
[...]
> An Ultra 30? That might count as an upgrade to the Ultra 2 we've got
> running production services here (that server makes my skin itch every
> time I walk past it.)
The upgrade being to your immediately springing open sores[0] when you
> running production services here (that server makes my skin itch every
> time I walk past it.)
walk past it.
Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
[0] There's another joke in there. Go ahead, I dare you.
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Shmuel Metz
Apr 17, 2012, 12:51:06 PM4/17/12
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In <8662d08...@gaheris.avalon.lan>, on 04/15/2012
Except for the businesses using, e.g., 3278-4, 3278-5, 3279-3. 3290.
Except for the businesses using, e.g., 3278-4, 3278-5, 3279-3. 3290.
Joe Thompson
Apr 17, 2012, 10:35:01 PM4/17/12
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On 2012-04-08, Marc Haber <mh+usene...@zugschl.us> wrote:
> Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>>Maarten Wiltink wrote:
> Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>>>Still here. But like the group itself, not as active as has been.
>>>I changed jobs halfway last year and they have firewall policies
>>>that actually prevent me from ssh'ing home. The job before that,
>>>putting the daemon on the https port worked. Not so this time.
>>
>>Hah, you can <UI> to get round that. Or even <UI>. People really think
>>they can prevent a non-zero, non-one fraction of outbound communication.
>>It's very cute.
>
> But even if you do <UI> or <UI>, you are still bypassing a policy of
> $ORKPLACE, knowingly so, because, you wouldn't be forced to do <UI> to
> do things if $ORKPLACE wanted you to do things, which may lead to
> quick unwanted recovery in many cases.
Just so. I can make a plausible rationalization for running my home SSH
daemon on port 443. More sophisticated measures might evade discovery,
but if they don't, will be that much harder to explain. -- Joe
--
Joe Thompson | Sysadmin - Scientificist
E-mail addresses in headers are valid. | http://www.orion-com.com/
"There is no way my emacs is ever getting a credit card!" -- Matthew Vernon
Joe Thompson
Apr 17, 2012, 10:53:16 PM4/17/12
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On 2012-04-13, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
> Wojciech Derechowski wrote:
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/270792516802
enough for you!
(I remember reading _Takedown_ and finding it breathtaking what a
complete arrogant ass he wrote *himself* as. Presumably he is at least
as much so in real life.)
(Wow, I've never seen a bestseller with 47% one-star reviews on Amazon
before...) -- Joe
> Wojciech Derechowski wrote:
>>On 2012-04-13, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>>> I'm gradually pruning out everything that runs at less than a GHz.
>>Ah, an ALPHAbook w/OpenVMS by any chance? I misssed this one last year:
>>> I'm gradually pruning out everything that runs at less than a GHz.
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/270792516802
>
> I still have the sodding Sparcbook somewhere. Really great idea, but I'm
> not going to start carrying a dinosaur-laptop just for the pose value.
Hey, if it was good enough for Tsutomu Shimomura, it should be good
> I still have the sodding Sparcbook somewhere. Really great idea, but I'm
> not going to start carrying a dinosaur-laptop just for the pose value.
enough for you!
(I remember reading _Takedown_ and finding it breathtaking what a
complete arrogant ass he wrote *himself* as. Presumably he is at least
as much so in real life.)
(Wow, I've never seen a bestseller with 47% one-star reviews on Amazon
before...) -- Joe
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Wojciech Derechowski
Apr 18, 2012, 1:02:31 AM4/18/12
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On 2012-04-18, Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com> wrote:
> On 2012-04-13, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>> Wojciech Derechowski wrote:
>>>On 2012-04-13, Roger Burton West
<roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>>>> I'm gradually pruning out everything that runs at less than a GHz.
>>>Ah, an ALPHAbook w/OpenVMS by any chance? I misssed this one last year:
>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/270792516802
>>
>> I still have the sodding Sparcbook somewhere. Really great idea, but I'm
>> not going to start carrying a dinosaur-laptop just for the pose value.
>
> Hey, if it was good enough for Tsutomu Shimomura, it should be good
> enough for you!
Yes, the ALPHAbooks have some sentimental value for me, but that's not it.
> On 2012-04-13, Roger Burton West <roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>> Wojciech Derechowski wrote:
>>>On 2012-04-13, Roger Burton West
<roger+a...@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
>>>> I'm gradually pruning out everything that runs at less than a GHz.
>>>Ah, an ALPHAbook w/OpenVMS by any chance? I misssed this one last year:
>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/270792516802
>>
>> I still have the sodding Sparcbook somewhere. Really great idea, but I'm
>> not going to start carrying a dinosaur-laptop just for the pose value.
>
> Hey, if it was good enough for Tsutomu Shimomura, it should be good
> enough for you!
It's the VMS.
> (I remember reading _Takedown_ and finding it breathtaking what a
> complete arrogant ass he wrote *himself* as. Presumably he is at least
> as much so in real life.)
forget the role of the NYT weasel.
> (Wow, I've never seen a bestseller with 47% one-star reviews on Amazon
> before...) -- Joe
WD
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Julian Macassey
Apr 18, 2012, 6:53:01 AM4/18/12
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:49:18 -0700, Lee Ann Goldstein <lee...@pir.net> wrote:
> On 04/13/12 18:58, AdB wrote:
>> If it's a Shed you want, then it's a Shed you should have.
>
> Indeed. $spouse has promised to buy me one, even.
Got a shed a couple of weeks ago. It's amazingly cheap
per sq foot. Using it to make soap.
Much cheaper than renting storage space, paybck in about
six months. Plus, it's right there when you need it.
--
"I am not a Washington figure despite the years I have been here."
- Newt Gingrich. May 23, 2011
> On 04/13/12 18:58, AdB wrote:
>> If it's a Shed you want, then it's a Shed you should have.
>
> Indeed. $spouse has promised to buy me one, even.
Got a shed a couple of weeks ago. It's amazingly cheap
per sq foot. Using it to make soap.
Much cheaper than renting storage space, paybck in about
six months. Plus, it's right there when you need it.
--
"I am not a Washington figure despite the years I have been here."
- Newt Gingrich. May 23, 2011
Brian Kantor
Apr 18, 2012, 7:07:08 AM4/18/12
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Joe Thompson <sp...@orion-com.com> wrote:
>Hey, if it was good enough for Tsutomu Shimomura, it should be good
>enough for you!
>(I remember reading _Takedown_ and finding it breathtaking what a
>complete arrogant ass he wrote *himself* as. Presumably he is at least
>as much so in real life.)
Strangely enough, no, I didn't find him so; I only dealt with him
>Hey, if it was good enough for Tsutomu Shimomura, it should be good
>enough for you!
>(I remember reading _Takedown_ and finding it breathtaking what a
>complete arrogant ass he wrote *himself* as. Presumably he is at least
>as much so in real life.)
professionally, though, so I can't say otherwise.
- Brian
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